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Author Topic: Private Club & R3tro- Why do they insist on retaining your real-life ID details?  (Read 3983 times)

vt

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I've noticed that two of the West Midlands sex club-brothels The Private Club in Aston & R3tro Club in Walsall insist on customers handing over real-life ID information...they want to see passports, driving licences, recent utility bills, etc.  :scare:

External Link/Members Only

External Link/Members Only

Does anyone know why this is the case?  :unknown:

Private says it's so they can verify your age...but if you're a balding, overweight, middle age bloke that's hardly an issue, is it?  :dash:

I think I'd be very wary of handing over my real details to anyone in this industry...once it's out there you don't know when it might come back and bite you. The most trace I want to leave behind is a PAYG mobile no. & a fake name!

Is it there some kind of unspoken rule in W Mids that you can run a brothel as long as it's disguised as a private members club?  :unknown:

Most Police forces seem to take a pragmatic approach tolerate the existence of well-run brothels as long as they are not involved in other criminal activity such as drugs, underage sex, coercion/trafficking or causing neighbourhood nuisance...as it's far preferable to have prostitution behind closed doors than on the street...and none of these other places want to see your ID thankfully!

Is it maybe to ensure the good behaviour of the members?? Cause trouble and we know who you are!  :unknown:


Offline fredhiggins


Offline Jerboa

I've been a member for 11 years of TPC, these are both swinger clubs, not brothels, they are licensed as private members clubs, and not a public house etc, they hold no alcohol license, this is so the police have no right to enter the building without a warrant, this practice is the same in most swinger clubs in UK.  :hi:

vt

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they are not brothels!

May I refer you to this on the CPS website regarding the Sexual Offences Act 1956, Section 33 Keeping a Brothel:

External Link/Members Only

The difference between offences under sections 33 and 33A arises because the definition of a brothel in English law does not require that the premises are used for the purposes of prostitution since a brothel exists wherever more than one woman offers sexual intercourse, whether for payment or not. Section 33A is also capable of covering premises where people go for non-commercial sexual encounters, such as certain saunas and adult clubs.

And the legal definition of a brothel:

A brothel is defined as "a place where people of opposite sexes (but see paragraph below) are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse, whether the women are common prostitutes or not". It is not essential to show that the premises are in fact used for the purposes of prostitution (which involves payment for services rendered); a brothel exists where women offer sexual intercourse without charging (Winter v Woolfe [1931] KB 549).

I think both these establishments (and any others where more than one woman is offering sex with or without charging) would be viewed as brothels in the eyes of the law.

Offline Teessider

So that means all student halls of residence would be brothels.  :sarcastic:

Thinking back to my youth - yes, it definitely was.  :drinks:


Maybe the get out is the term 'illicit intercourse'. Voluntary, willing, consented between adults - not illicit?  :unknown:

vt

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It matters not what the place is called on the outside...swingers club, private club, gentlemen's club, lapdancing club, nightclub, sauna, massage parlour, escort agency, etc. it is what goes on inside that defines it as a brothel in legal terms...i.e. more than one woman offering sex with or without charging.

I'm sure if the Police wanted to raid such a premises they would easily obtain the necessary warrant. I highly doubt that any licence the premises has would allow it to operate as a brothel (women offering sex), as that is illegal.

All these places are tolerated by the authorities until the day they deem them to be undesirable, then the full force of the law can be brought down upon them. Thankfully Police seem pragmatic and tolerate many premises of this type of indoor prostitution and seem to concentrate resources on the more anti-social expressions of prostitution, such as street prostitution, underage prostitution and sex-trafficking operations.

Of course, punters and prossies are committing no offence by being at a brothel, unless it is found that girls are underage or being co-erced into offering sex. The management and staff at these places are very likely committing the offence of keeping or assisting in the management of a brothel.

Which then leads to my original question...why are these two places asking punters to submit real ID details when there are other brothels all over the country that will allow punters to visit anonymously??

vt

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So that means all student halls of residence would be brothels.  :sarcastic:

Thinking back to my youth - yes, it definitely was.  :drinks:


Maybe the get out is the term 'illicit intercourse'. Voluntary, willing, consented between adults - not illicit?  :unknown:

Probably, technically yes, the definition is purposely wide to catch all. Of course, this then gives the authorities the powers to take action or close anywhere they deem undesirable. As we have seen though, in practice they seem to tolerate well-run establishments all over the country...they must know where they are and what they are doing...but prioritise other types of law enforcement.

Back in the 1950's the term 'illicit' likely referred to intercourse between parties not legally married...so it's a brothel unless you're gonna put a ring on it!!  :sarcastic:

Offline Jerboa

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definition of a brothel in English law does not require that the premises are used for the purposes of prostitution since a brothel exists wherever more than one woman offers sexual intercourse, whether for payment or not

You got me there VT, strange that most of these club insist on membership.

Offline bunny84

Imagine they get hacked and everyone's names gets wacked online .eeveryone who knows me knows I shag  hookers but I don't want people knowing I've been to these type of places

It's the small risk you take in life . Theirs a risk you can get run over every time you leave the house .

vt

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You got me there VT, strange that most of these club insist on membership.

As we have seen, even private swingers clubs with exclusively amateur participants are all brothels in a legal sense, but they do seem more socially acceptable than other types of brothel where prostitution is taking place...they are even becoming trendy & fashionable with the advent of entertainment events which encourage attendees to have casual sex like Torture Garden & Killing Kittens.

But neither of these two W Mids venues is a true swingers club, they are both full-on sex clubs where single males pay to enter and play with the house girls who are patently paid to attend. Of course they allow entry to amateur girls and couples, but that is incidental to the main business, which is prostitution.

Maybe they dress it as a swingers club and ape some of the requirements of such venues to blur the lines, appeal to the latest fashion of these events and make it more palatable locally...or perhaps the local constabulary have advised them to operate this way to avoid prosecution.  :unknown:

Any local authority license is likely to do with the sale of alcohol on the premises and 'regulated entertainment' which might cover 'no contact' table- or lap-dancing, but will never legitimise prostitution...I doubt they even hold such a license as neither club seems to be able to sell alcohol on the premises.

While they continue to insist on seeing & retaining my real ID details, I think I will be very wary of visiting such venues.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2015, 09:47:44 pm by vt »

Offline Jerboa

Yes like most swinger clubs in England they don't have a alcohol licence, you bring your own.

Offline Twist

May I refer you to this on the CPS website regarding the Sexual Offences Act 1956, Section 33 Keeping a Brothel:

External Link/Members Only

The difference between offences under sections 33 and 33A arises because the definition of a brothel in English law does not require that the premises are used for the purposes of prostitution since a brothel exists wherever more than one woman offers sexual intercourse, whether for payment or not. Section 33A is also capable of covering premises where people go for non-commercial sexual encounters, such as certain saunas and adult clubs.

And the legal definition of a brothel:

A brothel is defined as "a place where people of opposite sexes (but see paragraph below) are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse, whether the women are common prostitutes or not". It is not essential to show that the premises are in fact used for the purposes of prostitution (which involves payment for services rendered); a brothel exists where women offer sexual intercourse without charging (Winter v Woolfe [1931] KB 549).

I think both these establishments (and any others where more than one woman is offering sex with or without charging) would be viewed as brothels in the eyes of the law.

May I ask which readers of this forum are you trying to convince that these places are brothels? Members? Sex workers? Law enforcement?

Offline Demistify

I was told it's a requirement of every 'private members club' in the UK, whatever type they are. Don't know if that's true?

Offline Kerosene

If it's a one-off visit you pay a surcharge for temporary membership. You would suppose that the membership is for the duration of the event. As the Data Protection act states that data should not be held for longer than is necessary, it would seem logical that they should securely dispose of that data once you have left the event.

Has anyone asked Private or r3tro what their policy (pompous word I know) is regarding this?

Offline Steve2

Unlike your "favourite" clubs VT, The Private Club allows swingers to come in. The paid girls take some of the pressure off the swinging couples and encourage them to join in without feeling pressurised.

AFAIK it is set up as a private members club which requires ID to be supplied to get a membership

TLC on the other hand is just  the equivalent of a flatrate brothel in Germany with no swingers allowed

vt

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May I ask which readers of this forum are you trying to convince that these places are brothels? Members? Sex workers? Law enforcement?

If you read back, I was responding to fredhiggins false assertion...but the legal stance is quite clear & explicit for anyone who would like to know.  :hi:

Offline Steve2

If you read back, I was responding to fredhiggins false assertion...but the legal stance is quite clear & explicit for anyone who would like to know.  :hi:

So Phoenix club/LMP/ Tudor Lounge  is a brothel?  Or a "legal" swingers club (which doesn't allow swingers in)?





vt

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So Phoenix club/LMP/ Tudor Lounge  is a brothel?  Or a "legal" swingers club (which doesn't allow swingers in)?

No matter what it says over the door or on the website or the delusions in the head of the owner, the girls who work there, the punters who punt there...TLC, Phoenix, House of Divine, R3tro, Private...they're all brothels in the eyes of the law steve2...did you really not know that??  :unknown:

vt

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The question I still haven't been given an answer to is why do some insist on knowing & retaining your real-life ID details and some let you visit anonymously?  :unknown:

vt

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I was told it's a requirement of every 'private members club' in the UK, whatever type they are. Don't know if that's true?

It wouldn't be a legal requirement, it would be the choice of whoever owns/runs it as to who he restricts membership & entry to. I suppose it would make it easier to exclude someone undesirable though, by withdrawing their membership rather than having to turn them away on the door.

At true swingers clubs, they do often want to restrict the numbers and quality of single males attending. At these paid parties, they need single males to attend as they are the source of income and the fee is usually sufficient to limit numbers to the desired level.

The fact that a Club has a private membership does not legitimise any illegal activity inside, any more than if someone set up a private member's Crack Den or a private members Paedophile Club... though I'm sure the Police would take a very prompt and serious interest in either of these!  :scare:

vw

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The question I still haven't been given an answer to is why do some insist on knowing & retaining your real-life ID details and some let you visit anonymously?  :unknown:
Don't think there is an answer, probably best ask them which I doubt they would answer. Imagine the different clubs have got differing legal advice on what's best for their particular set up rather than some particular regulation.

vt

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Unlike your "favourite" clubs VT, The Private Club allows swingers to come in. The paid girls take some of the pressure off the swinging couples and encourage them to join in without feeling pressurised.

AFAIK it is set up as a private members club which requires ID to be supplied to get a membership

TLC on the other hand is just  the equivalent of a flatrate brothel in Germany with no swingers allowed

I'm open-minded as to any clubs that offer what I want, which is why I was looking into attending one of the parties at The Private Club or R3tro, but was baffled by this ID requirement...maybe I'm being paranoid!  :unknown:

I have heard that TLC has had some local swingers (an MF couple and a single girl) visit since it was opened and they were made most welcome.

vt

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Don't think there is an answer, probably best ask them which I doubt they would answer. Imagine the different clubs have got differing legal advice on what's best for their particular set up rather than some particular regulation.

I can't see myself getting a straight answer out of them as an unknown...that's why I asked here as I know quite a few of you have attended and might have been informed.

Private already say on their website that it's just so they can verify your age...so I could understand if they just asked for ID from under-25s like some shops do when they sell alcohol, but I bet most potential visitors (inc. myself) haven't looked underage for decades, so that's obviously bullshit!  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 05:06:29 pm by vt »

Offline Steve2

The question I still haven't been given an answer to is why do some insist on knowing & retaining your real-life ID details and some let you visit anonymously?  :unknown:

Maybe some are acting within the law and some are not

 :hi:

Why not ask them? 

vt

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Maybe some are acting within the law and some are not

 :hi:

Why not ask them?

No steve2, none of them are legal...they are all illegal brothels...anywhere where more than one woman is offering sex, paid or unpaid is a brothel...you do know that, don't you?   :rolleyes:

If I thought I'd get a straight answer, I would...but seeing as they're already posting bullshit about age verification on their website, I doubt they'll give their real reasons to someone unknown to them.

Nevertheless, I am surprised none of you who have attended has questioned it before! Are you all OK with them knowing your real name & address?   :unknown:

vw

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No steve2, none of them are legal...they are all illegal brothels...anywhere where more than one woman is offering sex, paid or unpaid is a brothel...you do know that, don't you?   :rolleyes:

If I thought I'd get a straight answer, I would...but seeing as they're already posting bullshit about age verification on their website, I doubt they'll give their real reasons to someone unknown to them.

Nevertheless, I am surprised none of you who have attended has questioned it before! Are you all OK with them knowing your real name & address?   :unknown:

there website says ?  Don't see what the problem is ?

Please note that we do not take photocopies of the ID, they are merely to check your age. Upon joining, we do not take an address, our membership form merely asks for your name, home town, what type of ID shown (passport, drivers licence), date joined, and duration of membership. We ask where you heard about us, and that is it.

vt

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there website says ?  Don't see what the problem is ?

Please note that we do not take photocopies of the ID, they are merely to check your age. Upon joining, we do not take an address, our membership form merely asks for your name, home town, what type of ID shown (passport, drivers licence), date joined, and duration of membership. We ask where you heard about us, and that is it.

OK, so Private say they want to keep a record of your name & town...should be enough to identify & find you unless your name's John Smith living in London.

R3tro don't state what they will retain of your information, only that they won't hold copies of your passport, driving licence and recent utiliity bills that they want to see.

Still more of a trace than I want to leave!  :bomb:
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 06:40:55 pm by vt »

vw

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OK, they want a record of your name & town...should be enough to identify & find you unless your name's John Smith living in London.
Without anything they can get you from finger prints or image recognition.  If your that concerned would go elsewhere !

vt

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Without anything they can get you from finger prints or image recognition.  If your that concerned would go elsewhere !

I'm not worried about the Police, I would be doing nothing illegal being there. I think most punters would be more concerned about the information falling into the wrong hands and getting outed.

Offline fredhiggins

I used a recent utility bill to join the clubs. I wish I hadn't. I just got a load of stick for never having changed my Gas and Electric to a cheaper tariff.

Offline claretandblue

Saw online that "splat bukkake " have an event coming up here with grace harper, any forum members going?

vt

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I used a recent utility bill to join the clubs. I wish I hadn't. I just got a load of stick for never having changed my Gas and Electric to a cheaper tariff.

So they now have your real name and address and it's stored on a list somewhere at their premises...and I bet it isn't Fred Higgins...you use a false name and are anonymous here, but not there...are you not worried who might gain access to the information that you are a paid-up member of a sex club that offers anal gangbangs and splat bukkakes in the future...and somehow it gets out to the local press, workplace, family, friends, your poor old mum??   :bomb:

Or am I just being paranoid??  :unknown:

vw

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So they now have your real name and address and it's stored on a list somewhere at their premises...and I bet it isn't Fred Higgins...you use a false name and are anonymous here, but not there...are you not worried who might gain access to the information that you are a paid-up member of a sex club that offers anal gangbangs and splat bukkakes in the future...and somehow it gets out to the local press, workplace, family, friends, your poor old mum??   :bomb:

Or am I just being paranoid??  :unknown:
Your paranoid and beginning to sound like a broken record.

Just don't fucking go.

Find somewhere else, you what they do !

vt

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Your paranoid and beginning to sound like a broken record.

Just don't fucking go.

Find somewhere else, you what they do !

Sorry, but with all the kerfuffle on here with asianbeast/mcfly outing a punter to his Mrs because he somehow got hold of his real-life details, I thought punters might be very concerned about preserving their anonymity...but maybe I was wrong!  :unknown:

I've never come across a punting establishment before that wants you to hand over real-life ID details to them, normally it's a false name, a fake webmail address or an unregistered punting mobile no.

All punting establishments regularly have fallings out with staff. It would only take one of these disgruntled staff members to copy the membership list and send it to a local journo who would gleefully publish it along with all the salacious details of the goings-on there and the curtain-twitching streets of Solihull would be in uproar.  :scare:

While they continue with this bizarre policy of insisting on seeing & recording my ID details, I am out!  :thumbsdown:

It's a shame as I did want to attend to sample all of the W Mids party scene.  :(

By looking at me, they can clearly verify that I am clearly over 18, by several decades, that really should be enough to let me in!  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 10:15:35 am by vt »

Offline SalmonJunkie

Is it possible the swingers clubs (such as the private club) insist on ID as you're in contact with other females who are not "working" there, and are therefore not subject to the usual expectations of the women who are- which in theory, still makes sexual abuse and potential rape a very real threat.

I've been to the private club, and in the rooms down the left hand side of the main room (side opposite the sauna), it can be very quiet, and the back even more so. I've also seen some of the female swingers have to be quite forcible in refusing the advances of some of the older gents. They seemed to be operating under the notion that because they'd paid to be there, they could do as they please, when this is obviously not the case. It's not a great stretch of the imagination that people attending these sort of events may be more likely to commit an offence- especially if they are there anonymously. The organiser knowing who you are greatly reduces that risk.

I was single at the time of visiting, and had no problem with them knowing who I was- hell, the only problem I'd have now would be the other half finding out! If you don't like it, don't go. There's plenty of places that offer similar experiences without the need for ID... And the girls are REALLY hit and miss at the private club.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 12:08:19 pm by SalmonJunkie »

vt

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Is it possible the swingers clubs (such as the private club) insist on ID as you're in contact with other females who are not "working" there, and are therefore not subject to the usual expectations of the women who are- which in theory, still makes sexual abuse and potential rape a very real threat.

I've been to the private club, and in the rooms down the left hand side of the main room (side opposite the sauna), it can be very quiet, and the back even more so. I've also seen some of the female swingers have to be quite forcible in refusing the advances of some of the older gents. They seemed to be operating under the notion that because they'd paid to be there, they could do as they please, when this is obviously not the case. It's not a great stretch of the imagination that people attending these sort of events may be more likely to commit an offence- especially if they are there anonymously. The organiser knowing who you are greatly reduces that risk.

I was single at the time of visiting, and had no problem with them knowing who I was- hell, the only problem I'd have now would be the other half finding out! If you don't like it, don't go. There's plenty of places that offer similar experiences without the need for ID... And the girls are REALLY hit and miss at the private club.

Cheers for the well-reasoned reply!  :drinks:

How many swinger ladies would you expect to be there per party? Would they not stick together if there were pushy idiots about?  :unknown:

Though from what you recount, it sounds like the ID requirement hasn't deterred the guys who won't take no for an answer anyway!  :thumbsdown:

I thought some of the advertised girls looked quite nice, esp that Tyla Moore & Vanessa, so I'm surprised that last comment suggests I'm not missing much anyway!  :unknown:

Offline Kerosene

Saw online that "splat bukkake " have an event coming up here with grace harper, any forum members going?

I've been to a splatbukkake event at the Private Club. Despite it being an external event, I still needed to show ID (which I didn't when it was held at a flat).

Personally I wouldn't go back - there were a about 20 guys to 2 girls and the play time was much less than you'd get at a regular Private Club event.

I'd much sooner pay the extra and go to TLC - no ID needed and the ratios are a lot better.

But that's my view - it might be just what you're after. And it's a bit of a kick to spot yourself on the videos when they're online.

Offline Jerboa

Cheers for the well-reasoned reply!  :drinks:

How many swinger ladies would you expect to be there per party? Would they not stick together if there were pushy idiots about?  :unknown:

Though from what you recount, it sounds like the ID requirement hasn't deterred the guys who won't take no for an answer anyway!  :thumbsdown:

I thought some of the advertised girls looked quite nice, esp that Tyla Moore & Vanessa, so I'm surprised that last comment suggests I'm not missing much anyway!  :unknown:

Single females is a rarity, I don't know why, I see more at German clubs.
Tyla Moore is the club manager.

mikexxlong

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Hi guys new member and been lurking a little while, so I thought time to contribute to the forum

Having been to the PC a few times I thought I’ll give my two pence worth and have my first post on this thread :)

Regarding keeping your personnel details when you enter the club as a non-member or full member your name is written down into a book this book is quite thick , I would say It would hold a years’ worth of events , so it stands to reason that this info is floating around the club for at least a year and probably used as proof to calculate turn over, profits etc. how successful x event was, maybe proof to the tax man , who knows who gets to see these records and for how long they are kept?

Why they and some other clubs record your details maybe it’s all down to the licencing of that particular establishment? , yet some others don’t, is a little unclear to me. but we are not always privy to what goes on behind the scenes etc. :unknown:

The PC girls are paid a set agreed amount not a percentage of that day/nights takings, so it is not used for that purpose!

There is also a banned list; to obviously bar entry to the undesirables into the club how long they keep this is anyone’s guess?

Although I think it’s fair to say the PC are sensible enough not to leave this information lying around and is locked away etc., as I’m sure they would like to protect their members/customers otherwise they would quickly lose business and end up closing down plus the management would have a hard time operating another business like that again, as no one would fully trust them again

The PC has been operating for some years now and no known breaches of confidentiality has occurred to my knowledge  :thumbsup:

I can understand people’s concerns having their personnel details recorded ,I think it’s a case of the what if a disgruntled staff member has a meltdown gets hold of the info and exposes it to the world at large or a break-in/thief and the same thing happens or blackmail is attempted and so on

I myself feel a little uneasy about my details been recorded for these reasons, but has it, will it stop me going to the PC again, no not for that reason
 
You could use convincing fake ID, but that could be a slippery slope because if found out you would probably get banned also if plod finds it on you for some reason a potential world of sh1t could occur

As for the quality of the events/girls as mentioned by other threads/posts, it’s very much hit and miss. The girls are generally very friendly and accommodating but it will depend on whose working and their mood etc. and all staff are helpful and friendly a good time can be had ;)

But in broad strokes the girls are average so if you’re expecting some stunning nymphomaniac to blow your mind you might end up disappointed , sexual service is a little inconsistent, at times it’s like you’re getting it on with one of those cheap blow up fuck dolls not much input or enthusiasm from the girl :(

On the busy events spending any real time with girl is hard, as there is always a crowd grouped around them and when you finally get your turn if you’re lucky especially with the popular girls, you can feel the pressure to make way for the next guy also sometimes others get in the way groping away at the girl while you’re trying to have fun

queue jumping does occur if/when a girl is doing a circuit when there is more than two girls attending, giving BJs (not always to completion) to those sitting down around the main play room waiting for a turn on the bed etc, someone who has already had their turn getting a BJ spots someone get up from their seat for whatever reason, legs it over and sits down to get another BJ when others have been waiting for ages for some attention
Same occurs at the main bed people are patiently waiting for a turn and someone barges in, when they have already had a turn

As well as the regulars or those that “know” the girls via twitter/ FB etc. or have punted with them outside the club, will come over and start having a conversation with the girl while she is in the middle of servicing someone
Also those individuals that hog the girl for ages so you can’t get a look in for some time :angry:

In short you might have to stand next to the girl playing with yourself trying to be aware of potential queue jumpers and try to position yourself to block them, a bit silly having to do that but :dash:

Apart from the inconsiderate types and those that think they have more right to the girls time than you, most who visit are good natured and polite

I write this not to slate the club but to make those thinking of attending an event aware, so if any of this would seriously piss you off or otherwise ruin your visit you might want to reconsider

But really just bite the bullet and attend an event and see for yourself as each event varies etc.


vt

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Single females is a rarity, I don't know why, I see more at German clubs.
Tyla Moore is the club manager.

Does that mean she doesn't play? I saw her advertised on the events listings.  :unknown:

vt

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Hi guys new member and been lurking a little while, so I thought time to contribute to the forum

Having been to the PC a few times I thought I’ll give my two pence worth and have my first post on this thread :)

Great first post...very informative!  :thumbsup:

I was wondering if you could use a fake ID...seeing as it's just a club rule and actually not a legal requirement.  :wacko:

mikexxlong

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Does that mean she doesn't play? I saw her advertised on the events listings.  :unknown:

Tyla Moore does play,

She’s very popular, a lot go to the club just to see/play with her

 She gives a great BJ by the way  :wacko:

mikexxlong

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Great first post...very informative!  :thumbsup:

I was wondering if you could use a fake ID...seeing as it's just a club rule and actually not a legal requirement.  :wacko:

thank you  :thumbsup:

your ID gets put under a UV light to check its real etc, so it would have to be a high end fake costing a lot of punting tokens  I would think :dash:

unless some form of regular paper ID that's acceptable cant think what at the moment though  :unknown:

vw

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thank you  :thumbsup:

your ID gets put under a UV light to check its real etc, so it would have to be a high end fake costing a lot of punting tokens  I would think :dash:

unless some form of regular paper ID that's acceptable cant think what at the moment though  :unknown:
So if you don't drive and no passport your not getting fucked !

mikexxlong

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So if you don't drive and no passport your not getting fucked !

Other forms of photo id are accepted like military MOD90,s etc
& Police warrant cards  :lol:

vw

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Other forms of photo id are accepted like military MOD90,s etc
& Police warrant cards  :lol:
Most soldiers have passport anyway or would have to serve in the non existent home guard and most police have to drive so pointless.  Especially police using their warrant card to attend these events. What a ridiculous suggestion !

vt

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Other forms of photo id are accepted like military MOD90,s etc
& Police warrant cards  :lol:

If you don't drive and never been abroad...what about an over-60s Bus Pass??  :D

Re the Police warrant cards...now I know why they record the ID info...when the Vice cops come knocking they'll get out the Members Book and show them the names of all their mates who are getting their dicks wet there!!  :lol:



« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 08:45:07 pm by vt »

Offline smiths

I've noticed that two of the West Midlands sex club-brothels The Private Club in Aston & R3tro Club in Walsall insist on customers handing over real-life ID information...they want to see passports, driving licences, recent utility bills, etc.  :scare:

External Link/Members Only

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Does anyone know why this is the case?  :unknown:

Private says it's so they can verify your age...but if you're a balding, overweight, middle age bloke that's hardly an issue, is it?  :dash:

I think I'd be very wary of handing over my real details to anyone in this industry...once it's out there you don't know when it might come back and bite you. The most trace I want to leave behind is a PAYG mobile no. & a fake name!

Is it there some kind of unspoken rule in W Mids that you can run a brothel as long as it's disguised as a private members club?  :unknown:

Most Police forces seem to take a pragmatic approach tolerate the existence of well-run brothels as long as they are not involved in other criminal activity such as drugs, underage sex, coercion/trafficking or causing neighbourhood nuisance...as it's far preferable to have prostitution behind closed doors than on the street...and none of these other places want to see your ID thankfully!

Is it maybe to ensure the good behaviour of the members?? Cause trouble and we know who you are!  :unknown:

These 2 clubs MAY be registered as private members clubs a condition of which is ID should be seen and noted. Legally speaking they can get raided at any time though as WGs are on the premises making it a brothel. This makes both are not swingers clubs/groups legally. In court it MIGHT help the owner that he or she at least followed some rules.

Swingers clubs/groups can be licensed by the local authority in areas where that authority is tolerant, for example Le Chambre I think its called in Sheffield is or was licensed and legal as a swingers club. Some swingers clubs may also have an entertainments licence but these can be expensive, in Central London, £30k a year or more isn't unheard of. Some if not many real swingers clubs don't bother with licenses and take their chances that the local authority and/or the police don't take an interest. When GP Parties got raided they were in the premises of Fun Time Swingers, of course as GP had WGs they got done. There are very old laws that the police and CPS can wheel out if they choose to which local authorities and /or the police can use in areas where they aren't tolerant. Basically a smart swingers club owner only opens in an area of tolerance or risks bother.

Sex parties like LAPC or LMP or its new names are ALL brothels legally as WGs are on the premises, NO license is available to get round that fact, by appearing to be a swingers club the hope will be the police wont be bothered to raid, that might or might not be true. Of course punters and the WGs unless they actively help run it aren't breaking the law unless it was found there were underage and/or coerced WGs on the premises, something I know LMP doesn't need to do as there are enough more than willing WGs available.

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Good balanced view mikexxlong - your views on Private / R3tro are very close to mine.

Essentially the vibe is very friendly, but they could do with some more upmarket girls.

They've had some crackers in the past with Emma Butt (now £250/hr), Tigerr Benson (now £400/hr) and some great bukakke parties with Lucy Barker (cumonlucy) and her 2 stunning pals (can't remember their names).

With regard to a disgruntled employee releasing names, I would have thought they would be likely to be on the wrong end of a baseball bat swung by a disgruntled club owner pissed off at having his business destroyed by the subsequent collapse as trust disappears.  :thumbsdown:

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With regard to a disgruntled employee releasing names, I would have thought they would be likely to be on the wrong end of a baseball bat swung by a disgruntled club owner pissed off at having his business destroyed by the subsequent collapse as trust disappears.  :thumbsdown:
To late then the damage would have been done.  And if owners are like that who wants to support scum like that !