Rules on Plagiarism

[Pleasure4ever]

Reading some of today’s Reviews, I came across a few that were blatant copy and paste of someone else’s reviews.
What are the rules on plagiarism?
I could not find any on punting wiki?

What would motivate you to copy and paste someone’s previous reviewable pass it as your own?
Is the emergence of AI destroying all reviewing sites, in this and other industries?

[fatboy]

I don't think there are any rules specifically about it.
If you have doubts about a review and it's author I would
report the post and let the mods deal with it.

[Davey80]

We should all contribute regularly (as I do) but this could be a predictable reaction to the pressure from mods to people who reply to a topic and haven’t reviewed in some time.

Personally I think they should cut a lot more slack. And I’m one who has to pay for this privilege unlike others.

How many of us are maybe more irritated by a mod’s assertive self-righteousness than the fact that a punter hasn’t reviewed in a few years? It’s not great for the forum and needs looked at IMO.

[scutty brown]

there's no specific rule against it, but when discovered in the past it's not been regarded as acceptable

where you find it happening report it to the mods, obviously linking to the source so they can compare the posts

[PilotMan]

We should all contribute regularly (as I do) but this could be a predictable reaction to the pressure from mods to people who reply to a topic and haven’t reviewed in some time.

Personally I think they should cut a lot more slack. And I’m one who has to pay for this privilege unlike others.

How many of us are maybe more irritated by a mod’s assertive self-righteousness than the fact that a punter hasn’t reviewed in a few years? It’s not great for the forum and needs looked at IMO.

People come to the site to get intelligence on whether an SP is worth visiting. So reviews are its lifeblood.

What would happen to the site if people use it and don't review?

What you may not be aware of, is that MODS can see how frequently a member is visiting the site. It's therefore likely that MODS would take a view if someone is on the forum very frequently and aren't contributing. And that is purely an assumption on my part.

[fairyguy]

We should all contribute regularly (as I do) but this could be a predictable reaction to the pressure from mods to people who reply to a topic and haven’t reviewed in some time.

Personally I think they should cut a lot more slack. And I’m one who has to pay for this privilege unlike others.

How many of us are maybe more irritated by a mod’s assertive self-righteousness than the fact that a punter hasn’t reviewed in a few years? It’s not great for the forum and needs looked at IMO.

You have to understand it from their POV though. Without reviews, this forum just dies. Reviews are valued more than the £35 annual fee we pay.

[King Kenny]

OREOLOVER has copied a recent review of mine in the NW massage section. I e posted a link to my review. He’s changed a bit in the style but it’s too similar to not be a copy.

The offending review: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=449282.0

And my original review: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=446609.0

It’s like he asked AI to reword it.

[Waterhouse]

It’s been reported to the Mods - 11 fake reviews from all over the country posted in 1 day. Utter bullshit.

It’s clear he’s using AI to reword other punter’s reviews - he copied a Negative review, made it Positive, and yet left the bit about “never returning” in the text. Fuck-wit low-life.

[Stevelondon]

Why in earth would anyone want to do that.

He must be a pretty sad fucker. 🤷🏼

[King Kenny]

Thick as mince too. As if the writers of the original review wouldn’t have recognised their own review? Fucking spanner.

[Davey80]

You have to understand it from their POV though. Without reviews, this forum just dies. Reviews are valued more than the £35 annual fee we pay.

Fair enough - I agree people should contribute. The potential bans will prompt some to post fake reviews and I guess we may have to live with that.

[da26]

Why in earth would anyone want to do that.

He must be a pretty sad fucker. 🤷🏼

And then post them all just a few mins after each other! Speed demon.

[daviemac]

We should all contribute regularly (as I do) but this could be a predictable reaction to the pressure from mods to people who reply to a topic and haven’t reviewed in some time.

Personally I think they should cut a lot more slack. And I’m one who has to pay for this privilege unlike others.

How many of us are maybe more irritated by a mod’s assertive self-righteousness than the fact that a punter hasn’t reviewed in a few years? It’s not great for the forum and needs looked at IMO.

You have no idea of what goes on behind the scenes mate and to call the mods 'self-righteous' is way out of order and in itself could leave you open to a ban.

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We enforce the rules in exactly the way the site owner wants it run and the rules are very clear, maybe you need to have another look at them, there's a link at the bottom of every page.

We have clamped down on members questioning others about a lack of reviews, it isn't allowed now. Mods themselves do not question a lack of reviews, if you took a bit of notice of what goes on on the site you would see all the mods do now is remind members of the rules.

You have no idea what we check before we take any action on reports of members not posting reviews and that action varies from nothing at all to a reminder of the rules and the ban timer being set depending on individual circumstances and it isn't totally reliant on reviews.

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We welcome questions and participation, but members who aren't posting reviews or making a meaningful contribution may be flagged as non-contributing. Once flagged, a 30 day timer begins. Posting a review during this period will maintain your membership. Sharing reviews helps keep the community balanced and valuable for everyone..

If you don't agree with the rules then don't use the site.

[daviemac]

It’s been reported to the Mods - 11 fake reviews from all over the country posted in 1 day. Utter bullshit.

It’s clear he’s using AI to reword other punter’s reviews - he copied a Negative review, made it Positive, and yet left the bit about “never returning” in the text. Fuck-wit low-life.

We are looking into this but these things take time.

[Massage Bloke]

People come to the site to get intelligence on whether an SP is worth visiting. So reviews are its lifeblood.

What would happen to the site if people use it and don't review?

What you may not be aware of, is that MODS can see how frequently a member is visiting the site. It's therefore likely that MODS would take a view if someone is on the forum very frequently and aren't contributing. And that is purely an assumption on my part.

But there are enough members on here who LOVE posting reviews.  I'm talking about the "War and Peace" epic reviews. It's clear to me, that for some punters, reliving the punt is all part of the enjoyment of the punt. Just as they love the communications beforehand: "After three days we moved the conversation on to WhatsApp." 

But there are plenty of old geezers like me, who liked the old days: You could be sitting  at home in your armchair, decide you want a punt, leave the house, and visit the local brothel, and be back in your armchair within 2 hours. The idea of leaving a review somewhere, simply didn't come into it.

Most people don't like writing, along with the fact that some punters are not very bright.

I understand  that non-contributors can be seen as parasites, but i don't think that bothers many who write lots of reviews, because they simply love an audience and enjoy having a platform.

But as daviemac says, it's up to the site owner to run the site as he sees fit.

[Stevelondon]

 

Most people don't like writing, along with the fact that some punters are not very bright.

          There was me thinking of asking you to join my WhatsApp group 😂

[Massage Bloke]

OREOLOVER has copied a recent review of mine in the NW massage section. I e posted a link to my review. He’s changed a bit in the style but it’s too similar to not be a copy.

The offending review: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=449282.0

And my original review: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=446609.0

It’s like he asked AI to reword it.

I think there is little doubt it's an AI rework:

Yours: "and was told the cost is £200. Fuck that. It killed what little vibe there was."

Rework: "I was quoted £200. That figure immediately extinguished what little atmosphere there had been."

  

[Massage Bloke]

          There was me thinking of asking you to join my WhatsApp group 😂

I'm guessing I would need a smartphone to join? 

I bloody hate tech!

[Mr Garmin]

Well the cookie monster has been back on and not attempted to justify his reviews, he must have seen the criticism.  I'm calling that out as a slam-dunk

[thatsaint]

I understand  that non-contributors can be seen as parasites, but i don't think that bothers many who write lots of reviews, because they simply love an audience and enjoy having a platform.

But as daviemac says, it's up to the site owner to run the site as he sees fit.

No, those of us who leave reviews - are specifically for other punters to know what to expect. It actually pisses me off no end when I read a review and someone comments "I saw them a couple of months ago and...." then why not leave a review so we know what to expect. This is exactly what this forum is for. It's not for people to read mills and boons novels.

I've taken so many for the team over the last year, and many have been crap and would have massively appreciated someone telling me this if they'd seen them, rather than me wasting my time and money

[pbrown355]

+1

[Makazian]

No, those of us who leave reviews - are specifically for other punters to know what to expect. It actually pisses me off no end when I read a review and someone comments "I saw them a couple of months ago and...." then why not leave a review so we know what to expect. This is exactly what this forum is for. It's not for people to read mills and boons novels.

I've taken so many for the team over the last year, and many have been crap and would have massively appreciated someone telling me this if they'd seen them, rather than me wasting my time and money

I think it depends. If it’s an escort already with plenty of reviews, especially positive, and your experience is similar to everyone else’s then it doesn’t really add much. Usually after an escort has done a tour in my area and there are about 4 reviews all in a short space of time and they’re all more or less the same, I don’t see the point in posting another one if my experience wasn’t much different.

Now if I had a negative or even neutral experience I think it’s worth posting so other punters know to avoid or at least have an expectation and make an informed decision based on what happened with me.

[Thephoenix]

I think it depends. If it’s an escort already with plenty of reviews, especially positive, and your experience is similar to everyone else’s then it doesn’t really add much. Usually after an escort has done a tour in my area and there are about 4 reviews all in a short space of time and they’re all more or less the same, I don’t see the point in posting another one if my experience wasn’t much different.

Now if I had a negative or even neutral experience I think it’s worth posting so other punters know to avoid or at least have an expectation and make an informed decision based on what happened with me.

I think all reviews are of value. 

[FLYING BLUE]

I think all reviews are of value. 

100% agreed Mr Phoenix

[Stevelondon]

I think all reviews are of value. 

I agree.

Even the ones written by not very bright punters. 😂

Not my words 🤷🏼😂

[daviemac]

I think it depends. If it’s an escort already with plenty of reviews, especially positive, and your experience is similar to everyone else’s then it doesn’t really add much. Usually after an escort has done a tour in my area and there are about 4 reviews all in a short space of time and they’re all more or less the same, I don’t see the point in posting another one if my experience wasn’t much different.

Now if I had a negative or even neutral experience I think it’s worth posting so other punters know to avoid or at least have an expectation and make an informed decision based on what happened with me.

Not the best attitude to have on here mate, all reviews add value, the number of reviews already posted is irrelevant. If everyone thought like you no escort would reach double figures of reviews.

Multiple reviews of the same escort by the same punter add no value, it only shows she gives good service to one punters but multiple reviews by different punters show the SP consistently gives a good service to whoever walks through the door.

No two bookings are identical just as no two punters are identical and the best SPs give the same service no matter the age, size or shape of the SS.

[Massage Bloke]

I agree.

Even the ones written by not very bright punters. 😂

Not my words 🤷🏼😂

They were my words. (as you know)...

What I meant by those words was that many people don't like writing and are not very good at it.  For some members, witing reviews will be a tedious chore. While others  seem to love reliving their punts and clearly enjoy having a platform. Just today, I was reading a review that was 16 paragraphs long.

However, I think it's true that many punters are not very bright, which IMO is just a reflection of the wider population! 

[Punterperson1971]

They were my words. (as you know)...



However, I think it's true that many punters are not very bright, which IMO is just a reflection of the wider population! 

Speak for yourself mate your suggestions that most on here are thick clueless twats

[daviemac]

However, I think it's true that many punters are not very bright, which IMO is just a reflection of the wider population! 

There's only one person showing ignorance with that statement.

You really shouldn't judge others on your own lack of intelligence.

[PilotMan]

I think it depends. If it’s an escort already with plenty of reviews, especially positive, and your experience is similar to everyone else’s then it doesn’t really add much. Usually after an escort has done a tour in my area and there are about 4 reviews all in a short space of time and they’re all more or less the same, I don’t see the point in posting another one if my experience wasn’t much different.

Now if I had a negative or even neutral experience I think it’s worth posting so other punters know to avoid or at least have an expectation and make an informed decision based on what happened with me.

That's exactly where you're wrong.

A girl can easily rack up four good reviews in a city / town over a short time frame. If subsequently nobody bothers to post a review unless it's negative or neutral, then this is misleading, because it seems to suggest that the SP isn't consistent.

Continual reviews helps members know that the girl is consistent with an even wider variety of punters over an extended time period.

This is is what helps punters decide - not one or two positives, followed by negatives, because in the interim people can't be bothered to add reviews.

[PilotMan]

However, I think it's true that many punters are not very bright, which IMO is just a reflection of the wider population! 

Reminds me of that saying...

"when you point a finger, there are three pointing back at you"

[Colston36]

I think there is little doubt it's an AI rework:

Yours: "and was told the cost is £200. Fuck that. It killed what little vibe there was."

Rework: "I was quoted £200. That figure immediately extinguished what little atmosphere there had been."

  

The rework was obviously done by an exceptionally tedious failed English teacher.
 

[tantraman]

Reading some of today’s Reviews, I came across a few that were blatant copy and paste of someone else’s reviews.
What are the rules on plagiarism?
I could not find any on punting wiki?

What would motivate you to copy and paste someone’s previous reviewable pass it as your own?
Is the emergence of AI destroying all reviewing sites, in this and other industries?

... I recall spotting that latrell more or less cut-and-paste an old review of mine from 2017 into a new review of his in 2024, no doubt thinking that no-one would notice ... ILO rightly consigned latrell to the latrine!

[Thephoenix]

In the words of that famous philosopher Forrest Gump:

'Stupid is that stupid does'.

[LLPunting]

I think it depends. If it’s an escort already with plenty of reviews, especially positive, and your experience is similar to everyone else’s then it doesn’t really add much. Usually after an escort has done a tour in my area and there are about 4 reviews all in a short space of time and they’re all more or less the same, I don’t see the point in posting another one if my experience wasn’t much different.

Now if I had a negative or even neutral experience I think it’s worth posting so other punters know to avoid or at least have an expectation and make an informed decision based on what happened with me.

The positive service reporting only partly applies if you're only seeing the sp in the same timeframe as the other reviewers and you look and behave the same as one of the reviewers on the same day of encounter. Remember some punters review within days others takes months.

Absolutely drop a neg as soon as it happens, maybe even a neutral, but positives, particularly from new clients, speak to consistency which is highly valuable.

[LLPunting]

They were my words. (as you know)...

What I meant by those words was that many people don't like writing and are not very good at it.  For some members, witing reviews will be a tedious chore. While others  seem to love reliving their punts and clearly enjoy having a platform. Just today, I was reading a review that was 16 paragraphs long.

However, I think it's true that many punters are not very bright, which IMO is just a reflection of the wider population! 

There area a good many very useful reviews that are under a paragraph.  No mod demands they be longer.  It's not about bright it's about being beyond lazy and selfish when it takes as little as 2 mins to review.  Few exceptions, girl doesn't return and is lost to further custom or regular getting off menu extra quality it would be unreasonable to report.

[PilotMan]

... I recall spotting that latrell more or less cut-and-paste an old review of mine from 2017 into a new review of his in 2024, no doubt thinking that no-one would notice ... ILO rightly consigned latrell to the latrine!

Yeah, I remember that episode. At least latrell was smart enough to take reviews from different girls and apply them to another SP, pretending they were his actual experiences.

The current idiot has taken reviews from the same SP and reworded them - 

It would seem that with the prevalence and proliferation of Ai, that this behaviour will increase.

It's a shame and worrying; before we were concerned about fake reviews from SP's or Sergei - now we have to be concerned about fake reviews from our brethren.

[PilotMan]

There area a good many very useful reviews that are under a paragraph.  No mod demands they be longer.  It's not about bright it's about being beyond lazy and selfish when it takes as little as 2 mins to review.

100% agreed, I've seen some really useful very short reviews.

e.g. how long does it take to write

"I saw XXX-SP in location. Paid £xx for xx mins no extras. Pretty girl exactly as per her AW profile / we did OW / CG / Misch / Doggie. No FK or fingers. Recommended."

[daviemac]

100% agreed, I've seen some really useful very short reviews.

e.g. how long does it take to write

"I saw XXX-SP in location. Paid £xx for xx mins no extras. Pretty girl exactly as per her AW profile / we did OW / CG / Misch / Doggie. No FK or fingers. Recommended."

Exactly, all we ask is the name, location, price paid, duration of booking and a description of services offered and received. How graphic the details is up to the posted.

[LLPunting]

100% agreed, I've seen some really useful very short reviews.

e.g. how long does it take to write

"I saw XXX-SP in location. Paid £xx for xx mins no extras. Pretty girl exactly as per her AW profile / we did OW / CG / Misch / Doggie. No FK or fingers. Recommended."

Should be a Microsoft template!  Kuck or another codehead punter can probably vibe code a browser extension to automate this in under 30 mins. With a bit of effort might be able to incorporate into the post a review function here. Only issue is with such automation there'd likely be a lot of spam too. 

[daviemac]

Should be a Microsoft template!  Kuck or another codehead punter can probably vibe code a browser extension to automate this in under an 30 mins. With a bit of effort might be able to incorporate into the post a review function here.

That has been discussed many many times and it wouldn't work, it would put more people off reviewing than it would encourage.

We are all individuals and recount things in different ways, some people write a very brief description of a booking others several full paragraphs, all are equally valuable. Having a form to fill in takes away the individuality of the post and turns it into a questionnaire not a review.

There's plenty of advice in the punting wiki including review templates.

[LLPunting]

That has been discussed many many times and it wouldn't work, it would put more people off reviewing than it would encourage.

We are all individuals and recount things in different ways, some people write a very brief description of a booking others several full paragraphs, all are equally valuable. Having a form to fill in takes away the individuality of the post and turns it into a questionnaire not a review.

There's plenty of advice in the punting wiki including review templates.

I was thinking of a guided completion of details e.g. enter name,  type/select area/postcode, enter duration, select how recent (past week/past month, past n <select between 2-6> months), amount paid, ad url (number and screenshot or photos automatically captured and poster asked to select 1-3 most representative pics, including ad acreenshot,aa before being added), rating, enter comments about services received including extras paid.

[thatsaint]

They were my words. (as you know)...

What I meant by those words was that many people don't like writing and are not very good at it.  For some members, witing reviews will be a tedious chore. While others  seem to love reliving their punts and clearly enjoy having a platform. Just today, I was reading a review that was 16 paragraphs long.

However, I think it's true that many punters are not very bright, which IMO is just a reflection of the wider population! 

So, what I can take from this is..
you think writing a review is a tedious chore
You like reading reviews, but don't like leaving them yourself

1 review so far? Thanks for your contribution. Your only review tbh, was fairly useless as you don't even remember the price

[thatsaint]

I think all reviews are of value. 

100% agree, any review is useful - I don't care if it's less than 1 paragraph or a script for a romcom

[Massage Bloke]

100% agree, any review is useful - I don't care if it's less than 1 paragraph or a script for a romcom

But you said my review was "fairly useless"...

[Massage Bloke]

So, what I can take from this is..
you think writing a review is a tedious chore
You like reading reviews, but don't like leaving them yourself

1 review so far? Thanks for your contribution. Your only review tbh, was fairly useless as you don't even remember the price

No, that is not what I meant. And that is not what I said.  I'm saying that many people don't like writing. I'm not talking about myself.

I didn't realise my review was useless.  I'm sorry, I will try to do better.

I'm more than happy to contribute reviews as well as my membership fee.  But, frustratingly, I am unable to get out of the house much. This situation is going on  a lot longer than I anticipated, when i joined in September last year.

However, I do enjoy reading the threads.

[Massage Bloke]

Speak for yourself mate your suggestions that most on here are thick clueless twats

That's not what I meant, simply because most punters are not members of this forum. And I didn't use the words "thick clueless twats"...

[thatsaint]

No, that is not what I meant.  I'm saying that many people don't like writing. I'm not talking about myself.

I didn't realise my review was useless.  I'm sorry, I will try to do better.

I'm more than happy to contribute reviews as well as my membership fee.  But, frustratingly, I am unable to get out of the house much. This situation is going on  a lot longer than I anticipated, when i joined in September last year.

However, I do enjoy reading the threads.

Fair play mate, hope your situation improves soon. You missed out the price, one of the key things for a review!

Last I'll say on it, all reviews are useful, some more than others, but everything helps create a picture

[starman]

I'd rather see a girl that has 36 positive reviews rather than 6. If I'm going to spend my hard earned I want to get vfm and know what I'm getting.  Informs my choice every time.  When I buy something from Amazon (other web retailers are available) I would rather buy something / from someone that / who has LOTS of reviews rather than just a few.

Reviews: keep them coming. (No pun intended)

[Tony Blair]

I was thinking of a guided completion of details e.g. enter name,  type/select area/postcode, enter duration, select how recent (past week/past month, past n <select between 2-6> months), amount paid, ad url (number and screenshot or photos automatically captured and poster asked to select 1-3 most representative pics, including ad acreenshot,aa before being added), rating, enter comments about services received including extras paid.

Escort Ireland is magnificent example of a techie guided review being the biggest pain in the arse to fill out.  You have to match dates to days they were available, services to what they offer and other shite hoops to jump through.  Then moderated before publication.
 
AW is a bit looser and easier on field reports and the feedback is deliberately simple.

Both have motives that are not for reviews but to drum up more business for themselves and the nature the site tying the username back to the review only leads to biased positives they know you from meeting.

My professional experience with strong templates for documentation is they don't work.  Generally too restrictive and irrelevant to the real world.

Hence this site is successful.