Author Topic: Wanting hand relief, but not wanting to cum?  (Read 3300 times)

Offline tantraman

A couple of posts today from Zanderpanda and Bmanchris, regarding HR during/after massage ...

... I am in the tiny minority (probably a minority of 1) that DOESN'T want to cum. I just want a sexy experience and blue balls ...

Make that a minority of 2  :rolleyes:

... got me to wondering what is the kink here? :unknown: Who else enjoys this and why?

Offline shant999



I am one of those, occasionally go for massage for the edging and then take it to a escort to finish me off. Take me a long time and the break inbetween helps.


Offline tantraman

I am one of those, occasionally go for massage for the edging and then take it to a escort to finish me off. Take me a long time and the break inbetween helps.

Hmm, I was just Googling, and found this article about 'Orgasm Denial' ...

External Link/Members Only

... which claims, like you say, that it can "help you last longer and improve your orgasms", which defo gives me good reason to try it out! :blush:

Offline Celtic 69

Hmm, interesting thread to start tantraman but I think it might have some legs.
I'm going to put my view on it as it's an open forum but it might be different to the reason it was set up, let's see?

Done plenty of TOFTT reviews with massage therapists on this forum and my general ups I would say was I enjoy a really good/professional massage from an attractive looking therapist with the hope of receiving a HE at the end.

If it's a professional massage a HE is never guaranteed & mostly not offered & refused if asked for.
But I have visited some massage therapist several times not in the hope of finally them offering a HE (some have, some won't) but just enjoying & being aroused by being massaged by an attractive looking therapist whilst being completely undraped & them just working around your erection also in their full view. It is a turn on & I definitely find it, although a bit frustrating, a better appointment than getting tugged off by a thai masseuse in her 40 or 50's that knocking out a dozen handjobs a day.
Just my personal opinion.

Offline Stevelondon

I think it’s a good topic being raised here and already good posts being added.

I’ve had a sensual massage with edging before. But asked beforehand for the ending not to be happy. 😀

Because it was just part of a little kink I was having where I visited a FS SP afterwards.

I’m one of those guys who also thinks it incredibly sexy to be stroked and caressed all over by some sexy beautiful young thing. Knowing fully well she may not mind me being naked. But she’s not going to relieve me of that raging hard in she keeps smiling at.
Just another kink.  :D
But as Celtic points out. The lass has to be a turn on. Just wouldn’t work otherwise.


It’s not too far removed from blokes going to strip clubs is it. Sitting there excited just watching. She’s not going to get off the stage and give you a wank is she.
Well……. Not the kind of strip club I am on about anyway.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2025, 09:15:25 am by Stevelondon »

Offline jamiekinkxxx

Also know in BDSM / Kink / Fetish circles as a 'ruined' orgasm

Offline tantraman

Also know in BDSM / Kink / Fetish circles as a 'ruined' orgasm

... I don't believe it is, jamiekinkxxx, 'cos I've always understood a ruined orgasm to still involve cumming, albeit a rubbish one due to sudden withdrawal of stimulation just before climax, often as a form of BDSM control. So, ejaculation isn't denied, but it doesn't happen with the orgasmic high.

:unknown:

Offline Stevelondon

Also know in BDSM / Kink / Fetish circles as a 'ruined' orgasm

Bit different me old mate.
I’ve always associated ruined orgasms with people wanting that more psychological connection with their dom/mistress.
The play being will she allow me a wonderful release or is she going to ruin it…… as an example.

To be honest I’ve experienced some hand jobs from massage lasses where they have stopped tugging as soon as they see the spunk. Poor form on their part  but certainly as close to a ruined orgasm as I would want to get.  :D

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Also know in BDSM / Kink / Fetish circles as a 'ruined' orgasm

... I don't believe it is, jamiekinkxxx, 'cos I've always understood a ruined orgasm to still involve cumming, albeit a rubbish one due to sudden withdrawal of stimulation just before climax, often as a form of BDSM control. So, ejaculation isn't denied, but it doesn't happen with the orgasmic high.

:unknown:

Indeed. There is inevitably a whole spectrum with is. The review linked to involves relatively minor stimulation involving cock handling as part of grooming. It does not involve anything beyond that in the way of intentional progression to orgasm.

That said in some instances some receivers may orgasm/ejaculate from grooming alone.

Then we come to edging which involves a slow build up and stopping stimulation at the exact time to prevent orgasm/ ejaculation. This requires a fair amount of skill from the giver and cooperation from the receiver. This is then a series of orgasm denials but which ultimately lead to the big one and full ejaculation.

Then there is total orgasm denial where whatever the level of stimulation involved orgasm must not ultimately take place.

Ruined orgasm best describes a stage further where the giver at some point allows the orgasm to begin, including partial ejaculation, but then abruptly stops all follow through stimulation to complete the process thus ruining it.

As I aged on my sexual journey, I became a huge fan of edging. This was both receiving and giving including solo. Best  sessions may last a minimum of an hour and hopefully two or more. When giving would depend on the recipient.

This has totally transformed my ability ot orgasm. At one point I had great difficulty in achieving orgasm (initially triggered by ED meds) but now in my old age I am capable of multiple orgasms in a day if I choose ... although my erections may vary.

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just go and see a genuine tantric massage practitioner.
It's part of the tantric "philosophy" that the orgasm/ejaculation is irrelevant, it's the massage that matters

Offline Massagetugga

as close to a ruined orgasm as I would want to get

+1. I’ve had to his happen more than once. Can be quite annoying and almost feel intentional.
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Offline Stevelondon

+1. I’ve had to his happen more than once. Can be quite annoying and almost feel intentional.


Thankfully been a very long time since this happened to me.
After a massage the wank was as boring as you could think of and when the SP simply stopped wanking as soon I started to spurt. I kept going myself.
She gave me a look as though I shouldn’t be doing it.

Like I say. Long time ago. I got dressed ignoring her as she tried to engage in conversation. I do remember laughing when she asked if I would be coming back.

Funny how things stick in your mind

Offline yesbby

I tend to prefer this, not for any blue balls fantasy, but because I prefer the attention to the orgasm.

I have two regular sensual massage providers who come to my house who do brilliant hand jobs without any rush to make me cum. These hand jabs tend to last more than 30 mins each time. One pf the them just chats to me while she strokes the wee man affectionately.

One of my favourite memories with a Diva Russian was when the thing descended into a chat somewhere past half way and she rather generously stroked my cock while we chatted for a while, one of her legs slung across mine. I didn't want it to end, so I didn't want to orgasm. It really is one of the friendliest things an SP can do

Online Thephoenix

As Doc says there's a wide spectrum.

I wonder If it sometimes depends on expectations.

I have a regular Thai masseuse, who as well as providing one of my favourite warm oil, sensual relaxing massages, is an expert in incorporating an occasional deft touch of the ol' fella whilst massaging my legs.
It almost feels as if it's accidental as it's so soft, but in fact it's a well practiced technique.
it encourages an extremely pleasant sensation and I think the medical term is a 'lob on'.

The combination of the said lob on, soft relaxing massage and background music is enough to induce a trance like feeling, almost on the edge of sleep. (In fact I've almost dropped off (ie:- to sleep &/or the bench, causing a sudden jerk which has frightened the shit out of her).
We both know there's no HR, so my expectations are clear and I'm going for that experience (& saving money).

Then there's the excitement of the WSWS TOFTT experience.

Again if I'm going to a BDSM provider who's made it clear there's no HE, then that's what I'm expecting, so I'll accept my fate.

Where I may get frustrated is when reviews have led to expect a fbsm Inc HE, and the lady just stops abruptly.
A well reviewed Thai masseuse opened a shop in Wales and had a habit of doing just that.
She would do everything to make you think a HE was to be the culmination of lots of direct stimulation, and then just leave the room.
Some punters reported just finishing themselves off, and yet others recorded HJ were available.
Again, all to do with expectations.

Obviously this is where a regular can be so useful, where both parties know what's expected and the experience optimised through practice.

On the subject of edging, I've found it quite rare to find  SPs who can really offer a true lengthy edging experience.
Locally the diminutive Lucy Czech in Chester isn't bad, and the legendary Anfield sisters are popular.

Some BDSM providers have been worthwhile but mixing pain with pleasure is more my thing.

The only lady who genuinely could keep me on the edge for up to 2 hours, was the lovely Devil at Tantric Healing in Wirral ( long retired)
Through her 'tantric' techniques she taught me how mixing just the right level of pain with pleasure can really enhance the experience and subsequent orgasm.
Devi had the full range of accessories, but she was no BDSM mistress. She didn't need  to use excessive pain or leave marks.
Sessions were sometimes enhanced with sensory deprivation of sight and soundso you didn't know what to expect next.
All the time she made sure your erection was maintained.

I can still remember the orgasms resulting from her HJ technique whilst using a wartenberg wheel playing over my nipples or bollocks.
And that was about 30 years ago.

I've even got a bit of a lob on writing that. :rolleyes:



Offline webpunter

@Tp, crikey 2 hours that is impressive   :hi:

The longest continuous session i've had is about 50 mins / just over on an hour booking 
With the thai spinner edging queen Leyla @ Junjai in Walton on Thames, leafy Surrey
2 mins clobber off rapido she'd come in a quick hi & she'd do a back walk [bars on the celing]
& then straight into it RUs CCs & some pull backs i was raring to go knowing what would happen on the flip
I'd lose track of how many times close to the edge every few minutes maybe twenty stopping then building again
Likely more as towards the end the interval was seriously reduced a few touches then stop very briefly before starting over again all a bit of a blur
Relentless & when it was thunderbirds it lasted ages maybe 20 seconds lots of spurts easing down in the volume ejected
Then a stroking cool down
Head spinning wobbly legs stuff feeling light headed
Had to go for a coffee or sit in the motor to recover before driving home & the faint dull empty balls ache soon set in

How you did 2 hours i have no idea WTF
I did contemplate a longer booking with Leyla however decided that instead of two hours [double the ££] i'd prefer to have 2 * 1 hr separate sessions

When i was in south america i did 5 hours ish & was pretty close to the edge quite a bit b2b HJs oral some RO when i was getting close to calm things down & rev up the burd
Who then wanted some penetration & an orgasm or three  :yahoo:
At the start I mentioned not bothered about FS & with good english she said something like which translated to "we'll see about that" with big eyes 
Thunderbirds after about 2 hours
We'd agreed to go get some eats & drinks for an hour nearby which turned out to be 90 mins she even offered to pay half, which i refused point blank
I needed the recovery time & then another two hours fun stuff b4 i was gorne   
Happy days

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Offline webpunter

Thankfully not too far to float home it was all a bit of a haze
So much so i had to have a late afternoon tanks well & truly emptied doze

Offline maybe

Interesting thread, there were 2 scenarios of how i felt after a punt but not being able to cum:

1) End of punt I left pretty happy and little brain didn't crave any attention for a few days. Just exactly how i would expect to feel after cumming, except i obviously didn't.

2) End of punt, tried so hard to cum throughout but left completely unsatisfied and itching the minute the punt is over and immediately begin looking for options the next day. Little brain is craving action and bursting.

Its difficult to pin down why same result has 2 completely different feelings. It might be down to the frequency of punting/wanking prior to the meet, or it might be down to whether the SP attractive and therefore i was more engaged and leaving more mentally tired. I will say scenario 2 doesn't happen all that often now as long as I don't cum more than once a week.

Either way, I think if i had a long edging session i would want to climax though at the end, i never thought of deliberately not cumming before leaving if i could. The question i feel would be how long of period would have to elapse before the benefits of the 'high' would be gone and would be like a clean slate again, a few hours or 1 day... thought provoking and interesting thread!


Offline tdh

Is the same felling had where you have oral or even penetration? I am one of those that doesn’t always like to cum for different reasons that do include enjoying just the attention and intimacy with an SP. It can also be not liking the feeling of dripping’ on the way home (appreciate there is an element of that with pre-cum). 

I don’t last very long generally and not cumming does help me stay hard but I suspect it’s not the best for some SP’s who don’t have a break in between.