Stabbing in Southport

[Blackpool Rock]

to him
Name & shame
Nowt will happen to them
They'll cite stress & get paid time off work
Whereas they should be fired no easy route to leave / retire early

If I was the parent of one of the girls i'd be most pissed off about the usual "Lessons must be learnt" BS that gets regurgitated every fucking time something like this happens

[webpunter]

The actions of the taxi driver were the final failure in a long line of failures.


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The inquiry chair said he had “profound concerns” about the “misguided and irresponsible” actions of Rudakubana’s parents, Alphonse Rudakubana and Laetitia Muzayire, who discovered in the weeks before the attack that their son was building a lethal arsenal of weapons but failed to report it to police for fear he would be arrested or taken into care.
He said: “If the full extent of [Rudakubana’s] family’s concerns had been shared with authorities in late July 2024 – including on the day of the attack – it is almost certain this tragedy would have been prevented.”

Merseyside police had investigated the killer’s parents but said on Monday the evidence did not meet the criminal threshold and the couple would not be prosecuted.

How convenient for the rozzers to decide not meeting the threshold
Which would have involved dragging them into Court & all the attention surrounding this
Bringing things back up again
& more attention on the rozzers who fucked things up sooo badly

Its not easy to find details of what reason(s) his parents were granted status to be here
Another wonderful import, not 

Now if this happened in the US what would happen to them ?
Trump would have them detained by ICE then on a rendition flight
No if buts maybes
Appeals, dont be silly

Nowt will happen to the parents 
The property which was their son's lair is up for sale / sold
I'm assuming that whichever Govt Dept it is has them in safe accomodation tax payer funded
Hopefully they'll be spotted recognised & their lives made a living hell [nothing breaking the law, obvs]
Just like the daily hell for the parents of the three girls murdered
Which may encourage them to fuck off back to where they came from, Rwanda 
Its reported that the family are Tutsis, it just keeps getting better ...

[DastardlyDick]

How convenient for the rozzers to decide not meeting the threshold
Which would have involved dragging them into Court & all the attention surrounding this
Bringing things back up again
& more attention on the rozzers who fucked things up sooo badly

The rozzers don't decide on charging, that's the CPS.

[webpunter]

The rozzers don't decide on charging, that's the CPS.

Based on two things:

• intel from the rozzers, its amazing what they can find / rather can't find [if you have any doubts on the latter look on the paedo prince thread]
• direction from the Govt, which is 'better if you could let this one go & we'll owe you one'  '

[PepeMAGA]

The actions of the taxi driver were the final failure in a long line of failures.


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"Mahmood said the second phase of the inquiry, which is due to report next spring, would make recommendations on a new body to tackle boys whose minds were “warped by time spent in isolation online”."

 

[scutty brown]

I still suspect that part of the problem was that the family lived in Lancashire but the boy went to school within Sefton / Merseyside.
Any referrals from the school would have been routed to Merseyside police / social care / mental health teams, when they should have gone to Lancashire. My guess is the info never got passed over.
Having said that, if he had been sectioned I'm not sure where he would have gone - I don't think Lancashire had any secure children's mental care sites at the time.

[Bangman]

On the news, the lawyer for the families, has said, if the persons that did nothing to stop, this lad, are not punished, then he will name them all.

Just read that not to long ago

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[myothernameis]

Just read that not to long ago

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I would like to see the procurator fiscal to bring charges against all parties, who failed to prevent Axel Rudakubana committing these murders.   I might assume the charge could be something on the line of corporate manslaughter

And if this goes to court, it then sends a message out to other councils and authority's, if you do nothing, you will be charged with corporate manslaughter

[scutty brown]

I would like to see the procurator fiscal to bring charges against all parties........

This isn't Scotland

[Bangman]

Its a very difficult decision. I want to know more about the parents. Did they have multiple opportunities to establish their son is violent and may carry out a murder. If so, then YES, They should be punished and made a example of.
However, (as sad as it is) I don't belive in a witch hunt. We cant just point our finger and blame who we feel like.

I have seen many parents try to teach their child to be good and law abiding BUT they dont sadly.. do you blame the parents?
Likewise
I have seen many parents who fail to teach their kids good behaviour and not surprisingly they turn to crime.

[Blackpool Rock]

Its a very difficult decision. I want to know more about the parents. Did they have multiple opportunities to establish their son is violent and may carry out a murder. If so, then YES, They should be punished and made a example of.
However, (as sad as it is) I don't belive in a witch hunt. We cant just point our finger and blame who we feel like.

I have seen many parents try to teach their child to be good and law abiding BUT they dont sadly.. do you blame the parents?
Likewise
I have seen many parents who fail to teach their kids good behaviour and not surprisingly they turn to crime.

I'm sure it was said that his parents were scared of him in which case i'm sure they were aware that he was dangerous and they did know that he had been buying weapons off the internet.

The parents knew he was a danger and basically did fuck all in reporting him to the police

[RedKettle]

Its a very difficult decision. I want to know more about the parents. Did they have multiple opportunities to establish their son is violent and may carry out a murder. If so, then YES, They should be punished and made a example of.
However, (as sad as it is) I don't belive in a witch hunt. We cant just point our finger and blame who we feel like.

I have seen many parents try to teach their child to be good and law abiding BUT they dont sadly.. do you blame the parents?
Likewise
I have seen many parents who fail to teach their kids good behaviour and not surprisingly they turn to crime.

You do not need to wonder about it and speculate, the enquiry went into detail, looked at evidence and covered all this in the report. Not sure why we spend all the time and money on an enquiry and then ignore it and start asking the same questions again.

[Doc Holliday]

You do not need to wonder about it and speculate, the enquiry went into detail, looked at evidence and covered all this in the report. Not sure why we spend all the time and money on an enquiry and then ignore it and start asking the same questions again.

Indeed the report can be accessed here External Link/Members Only

As you would expect it is heavy going, but in relation to the parents page 15 in  volume 1 gives some account, but Chapter 12 in volume 2 is the most detailed and relevant.

The reality is that AR was first known to Social Services from the age of 13 and issues with the parents (mostly the father) were well known.

However it is the role of agencies to take that into account when assessing the overall situation and risks and they failed to do so.

[Bangman]

I just remembered about the ricin. If his parents knew about this, and that his buying weapons and he may of used it before and has attacked in the past then I beleive they should be punished.
I know a lot of parents won't report their own child out of blind love and loyalty but there has to be a limit to evil behaviour and as a result, lives were lost and this cant be bought back.

As a father myself, I have taught both my sons, be respectful, be good, abide the law etc. Ive even warned them at some point NOT to ever do any crimes or else. Surely its not that hard.

There's a extremist idiot called young Bob who was on the news few weeks ago, and is desperate for fame and following in Tommy robinsons footsteps, raigbait, get a reaction and monetise. His own parents kicked him out of the house and reported him to PREVENT. Well done to his parents, that's what a good parent does.

Coming back to AR, It may sound harsh, but I think the parents should be punished..ONLY if they knew about their son buying weapons and if he has used it, and the whole ricin thing, If his parents knew and kept quiet, then this should be a crime.

[webpunter]

I'm sure it was said that his parents were scared of him in which case i'm sure they were aware that he was dangerous and they did know that he had been buying weapons off the internet.

The parents knew he was a danger and basically did fuck all in reporting him to the police

That nowt happens to the parents sends a bad signal
Parents can come up with some bollox & they get let off
They should be deported
Along with family who came over with them or subsequently
The whole lot of them

Again the rozzers CPS are walking on eggs shells not wanting to alienate Keir & his mates looking as racists
Not appearing to be racist has worked out well hasn't it 
Pakistani grooming rape gangs in South Yorkshire
Am good to continue on the politics thread

[Jerboa]

Just like the knife attack in Nottingham, political correctness contributed to the deaths, these do gooding wankers refused to rightly charge the boy for carrying knives at school on several occasions.

As for the parents they had a responsibilty, and did next to nothing to prevent their son, deport them back to Rwanda, why is the British tax payer funding them in hiding?

[Bangman]

Just like the knife attack in Nottingham, political correctness contributed to the deaths, these do gooding wankers refused to rightly charge the boy for carrying knives at school on several occasions.

As for the parents they had a responsibilty, and did next to nothing to prevent their son, deport them back to Rwanda, why is the British tax payer funding them in hiding?

Your back Jerboa, I thought you were banned, the nonsense you spread last time. I didn't know banned members can come back

[Doc Holliday]

Your back Jerboa, I thought you were banned, the nonsense you spread last time. I didn't know banned members can come back

He did receive a permanent ban. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=401663.msg4137376#msg4137376

It must have been lifted? Presumably he requested it?

Not sure it is wise to launch straight back in to contentious/confrontational off topic threads which contributed to his ban?

Wait and see?

[Jerboa]

Your back Jerboa, I thought you were banned, the nonsense you spread last time. I didn't know banned members can come back

I'm back, not sure what nonsense you are refering to, but lets keep on topic here, if there was no ideolgy of political correctness , then it is likely AR would have been dealt with before the massacre, do gooding woke idiots not wanting to be labelled contributed to the slaughter of little girls. What do you think?

[scutty brown]

I'm back, not sure what nonsense you are refering to, but lets keep on topic here, if there was no ideolgy of political correctness , then it is likely AR would have been dealt with before the massacre, do gooding woke idiots not wanting to be labelled contributed to the slaughter of little girls. What do you think?

I think you're being deliberately annoying, argumentative and confrontational over a topic which has been long since dealt with and doesn't need reopening, unless your intention is simple political muck raking with a view to making yourself the centre of attention. Been feeling lonely recently?

[Doc Holliday]

I'm back, not sure what nonsense you are refering to ...

Seriously? That's not promising either 

[Jerboa]

I think you're being deliberately annoying, argumentative and confrontational over a topic which has been long since dealt with and doesn't need reopening, unless your intention is simple political muck raking with a view to making yourself the centre of attention. Been feeling lonely recently?

This is a 19 page thread that has been posted recently, I have't resurected it.

[Bangman]

Seriously? That's not promising either 

Not sure if i should waste my energy which this TR obssesed one, I have already responded to his false claims and conspiracies numerous times, He has been debunked and schooled by so many punters, several times on his lies BUT he continues and continues or forgets and questions when or change the topic, and it appears he hasn't changed.
Still baffled how he had his ban revoked, is there a rule or was this a random decision. Anyway who am I to question the admin that made this decision. I'm gonna carry on obeying the rules, contributing to the website and doing a lot of toftt reviews.

[Doc Holliday]

Not sure if i should waste my energy which this TR obssesed one, I have already responded to his false claims and conspiracies numerous times, He has been debunked and schooled by so many punters, several times on his lies BUT he continues and continues or forgets and questions when or change the topic, and it appears he hasn't changed.
Still baffled how he had his ban revoked, is there a rule or was this a random decision. Anyway who am I to question the admin that made this decision. I'm gonna carry on obeying the rules, contributing to the website and doing a lot of toftt reviews.

Just resist engaging 

[Jerboa]

Not sure if i should waste my energy which this TR obssesed one, I have already responded to his false claims and conspiracies numerous times, He has been debunked and schooled by so many punters, several times on his lies BUT he continues and continues or forgets and questions when or change the topic, and it appears he hasn't changed.
Still baffled how he had his ban revoked, is there a rule or was this a random decision. Anyway who am I to question the admin that made this decision. I'm gonna carry on obeying the rules, contributing to the website and doing a lot of toftt reviews.

Listen you have your opinion and I have mine, nobody has schooled me, in your dreams fella. Maybe my ban was revoked because it was unfair, cry me a river. 

[Doc Holliday]

Maybe my ban was revoked because it was unfair,

Nah the evidence is well documented (as above) and strongly suggests otherwise. Of course you already know that.

You also seem totally unrepentant?

You must have something 'powerful' and persuasive on your side, to have not only got the ban overturned, but allow you the confidence to carry on where you left off in 'off topic'? I notice the two recent new threads you have started which are likely to be contentious.

I find it extraordinary that you are back, but will take my own advice and try and desist from engaging 

[puntingking]

I'm back, not sure what nonsense you are refering to, but lets keep on topic here, if there was no ideolgy of political correctness , then it is likely AR would have been dealt with before the massacre, do gooding woke idiots not wanting to be labelled contributed to the slaughter of little girls. What do you think?

I am glad you have returned, no other reasons other than the fact that you are a decent reviewer so I am pleased you are still here 

[Jerboa]

Nah the evidence is well documented (as above) and strongly suggests otherwise. Of course you already know that.

You also seem totally unrepentant?

You must have something 'powerful' and persuasive on your side, to have not only got the ban overturned, but allow you the confidence to carry on where you left off in 'off topic'? I notice the two recent new threads you have started which are likely to be contentious.

I find it extraordinary that you are back, but will take my own advice and try and desist from engaging 

I'm sorry, I didn't realise I needed to wear sackcloth and ashes and beg for forgivness. I was banned because I stupidly kept defending my position, while I should have let my posts speak for themselves.
I'm not back here to cause trouble, I respect others have their opinion and I have my own and will speak it.

[Doc Holliday]

I am glad you have returned, no other reasons other than the fact that you are a decent reviewer so I am pleased you are still here 

You need to check carefully before you post. Historically he is a very old member and reviewer, but not in the four years prior to his trolling and banning.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=299964.msg4135459#msg4135459

[Jerboa]

I am glad you have returned, no other reasons other than the fact that you are a decent reviewer so I am pleased you are still here 

Thank you, I have a few more reveiws I will post shortly, I hope to continue to be a asset to the site. 

[Jerboa]

You need to check carefully before you post. Historically he is a very old member and reviewer, but not in the four years prior to his trolling and banning.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=299964.msg4135459#msg4135459

Says the bloke with five reveiws? 

[Doc Holliday]

Says the bloke with five reveiws? 

Nice try 

Very old news.

[Jerboa]

Nice try 

Very old news.

True, your last review is very old, fancy gobbing off about my review record, the hypocrisy is astounding.

[webpunter]

Nice try 

Very old news.

& a very old asset 

[webpunter]

True, your last review is very old, fancy gobbing off about my review record, the hypocrisy is astounding.

Keep digging 

[Jerboa]

Keep digging 

Digging at what? I'm stating a clear fact, am I not?

[Doc Holliday]

Digging at what? I'm stating a clear fact, am I not?

No you are 'dropping bait'. Nice try again but I am not biting.

[Jerboa]

No you are 'dropping bait'. Nice try again but I am not biting.

No Doc I was showing up your blatant hypocrisy, Mr 5 reviews.

[daviemac]

True, your last review is very old, fancy gobbing off about my review record, the hypocrisy is astounding.

Other people's review count has nothing to do with you, if you have an issue report it and the mods will look at it.

Mods don't even question or comment on member's reviews or lack of them so we are clamping down on people who do it.

[Doc Holliday]

No Doc I was showing up your blatant hypocrisy, Mr 5 reviews.

Still fishing. Sorry I am back in the harbour.

Please nobody else take the bait either?

[Jerboa]

Other people's review count has nothing to do with you, if you have an issue report it and the mods will look at it.

Mods don't even question or comment on member's reviews or lack of them so we are clamping down on people who do it.

Well maybe say that to Doc, he was the one to bring up reviews first. 

[Doc Holliday]

Well maybe say that to Doc, he was the one to bring up reviews first. 

Fair point. I apologise

[daviemac]

Well maybe say that to Doc, he was the one to bring up reviews first. 

Doc warned another member to be careful about what they post.

BTW Doc has been checked regarding his contributions and we are happy for him to continue as he is. 

[Bangman]

nobody has schooled me

 

[Iloveoral]

Well maybe say that to Doc, he was the one to bring up reviews first. 

Your on a very fine line being let back in, don’t fuck it up and let’s us down that said it was a good idea to give you another chance.

[Jerboa]

Your on a very fine line being let back in, don’t fuck it up and let’s us down that said it was a good idea to give you another chance.

I appreciate being let back on, but notice on this thread I made a post regarding political correctness, and instead of replying to that post others attacked me, should I not defend myself or should I turn the other cheek?

[Bangman]

No surprise..Jerboa will never change, his now questioning the admin 
Jerboa is doing it again, forgetting and re questioning.

For the record, I simply asked, how comes he is back after a ban. ( fair question as a lot of members have been banned after years of contributing, so why does he get special treatment).
If Jerboa told me he has apologised to admin and won't be annoying again, that's fair play..but NO...He denied he talked nonsense, (which shows he didnt accept his ban reason the admins decided and clearly has no respect for the admin)... as i said, he forgets, denies and then re questions, like he is trying to get a reaction.

[scutty brown]

I appreciate being let back on, but notice on this thread I made a post regarding political correctness, and instead of replying to that post others attacked me, should I not defend myself or should I turn the other cheek?

that post of yours seems deliberately aimed to cause argument

[Doc Holliday]

No surprise..Jerboa will never change, his now questioning the admin 
Jerboa is doing it again, forgetting and re questioning.

For the record, I simply asked, how comes he is back after a ban. ( fair question as a lot of members have been banned after years of contributing, so why does he get special treatment).
If Jerboa told me he has apologised to admin and won't be annoying again, that's fair play..but NO...He denied he talked nonsense, (which shows he didnt accept his ban reason the admins decided and clearly has no respect for the admin)... as i said, he forgets, denies and then re questions, like he is trying to get a reaction.

Not helping. Leave it with the mods 

[puntingking]

I appreciate being let back on, but notice on this thread I made a post regarding political correctness, and instead of replying to that post others attacked me, should I not defend myself or should I turn the other cheek?

word of advice - if a mod tells you you are walking on a fine line then it is best for you to stop doing what you are doing unless you want to be banned forever 

Just avoid confrontation mate, we should all be here to get along and not cause problems for one another.