Why are so many SPs offering Bareback!

[MissWolf]

Apologies, I wasn't suggesting that all part-timers are doing BB. You can just see from their profiles that they're not very professional in their dealings.

 

[alabama1]

Apologies, I wasn't suggesting that all part-timers are doing BB. You can just see from their profiles that they're not very professional in their dealings.

I would stop digging that hole if i were you bud. 

[Doc Holliday]

I look in immediate history, presence of feedback from an SP providing bareback intercourse means I will decline.

So lets turn this on its head. I look at your AW feedback (of which there is a great deal) and I then check that of a punter who has seen you and discover he has also seen someone who provides BB. I therefore decide not to book you. Is that fair and justified?

For the sake of the hypothesis this assumes I do not also know you as one of the most 'clued up' SP's I have ever known.

[Strawberry]

So lets turn this on its head. I look at your AW feedback (of which there is a great deal) and I then check that of a punter who has seen you and discover he has also seen someone who provides BB. I therefore decide not to book you. Is that fair and justified?

For the sake of the hypothesis this assumes I do not also know you as one of the most 'clued up' SP's I have ever known.

He is the reason I started checking and paying more attention, back then the booking was made a short notice over the phone no mentioned of AW. He only mentioned using AW after the booking was agreed, only asked to use an AW booking form after all details agreed & deposit received. I only had just enough time to get ready for the booking and attend, so accepted the request. There had been no other signs, arrived absolutely spotless property, no suggestion of bareback, not even a 'bare' bump. I left feedback without looking any further.

A week or so afterwards another SP contacted me to point out his history. I sent him an AW message asking about his feedback from at least one BB provider. He called my bluff, claimed ignorance - said he was not aware the SP offered BB and told me he would never engage in BB. I kept an eye on his feedback, sure enough he gained more and more subsequent feedback from BB providers. I then felt I had had the absolute P taken out of me, he knew exactly what he was doing.

Or should I have come to some other conclusion?

[myothernameis]

So lets turn this on its head. I look at your AW feedback (of which there is a great deal) and I then check that of a punter who has seen you and discover he has also seen someone who provides BB. I therefore decide not to book you. Is that fair and justified?

For the sake of the hypothesis this assumes I do not also know you as one of the most 'clued up' SP's I have ever known.

If I seen an escort I wanted to book, but seen the feedback, of another punter, who has seen an escort who offers bareback.   I would message her, to find out what going on, and to see her side of the story, and if she knew. 

From here I would decide, on whether to see her or not, so if we dont ask, we might end up judging the escort

[datwabbit]

So lets turn this on its head. I look at your AW feedback (of which there is a great deal) and I then check that of a punter who has seen you and discover he has also seen someone who provides BB. I therefore decide not to book you. Is that fair and justified?

It's not unreasonable to assume that BBers want mainly those who do BB and all escorts are capable of offering hidden BB. So you could avoid an escort by that association.

Profilic punters who sometimes do BB would lead to full balls for all punters following that strategy though.

[Strawberry]

It's not unreasonable to assume that BBers want mainly those who do BB and all escorts are capable of offering hidden BB. So you could avoid an escort by that association.

Profilic punters who sometimes do BB would lead to full balls for all punters following that strategy though.

I have been contacted by AW members seeking bareback on the basis I don't offer it, so they consider me clean, low risk an ideal candidate for bareback.

 

[MissWolf]

I have been contacted by AW members seeking bareback on the basis don't offer it, so they consider me clean, low risk an ideal candidate for bareback.

 

Yep I too get this often, they also offer to pay over the odds when I say no, then wonder why I won't accept a booking at all 

[datwabbit]

If I seen an escort I wanted to book, but seen the feedback, of another punter, who has seen an escort who offers bareback.   I would message her, to find out what going on, and to see her side of the story, and if she knew. 

Assuming she tells you the truth.

[Strawberry]

So lets turn this on its head. I look at your AW feedback (of which there is a great deal) and I then check that of a punter who has seen you and discover he has also seen someone who provides BB. I therefore decide not to book you. Is that fair and justified?

For the sake of the hypothesis this assumes I do not also know you as one of the most 'clued up' SP's I have ever known.

Without wishing to divert I am even still testing regularly for CV-19 

[pythondan]

I have not seen a big increase in barebackers around me. The majority that offer it seem to either be Romanians, girls who mainly webcam and advertise escorts meets at very expensive rates or 50+ aged ladies.

The Roms are probably controlled as they seem to arrive for a few days then disappear for a month or so. For these girls BB seems to be available as an extra and recently Cum in Pussy seems to be charged more for above BB.

I have had a few regulars over the years and have never explicitly been offered BB. One girl did rub her pussy against the length of my cock which I guess I could have viewed as an invitation but did not react to it and she then applied a condom before mounting me.

[Doc Holliday]

Or should I have come to some other conclusion?

Apologies I wasn’t referring to the specific punter you had binned, but from your opening sentence I took it to be your practice to check AW feedback for someone new who contacts you and rejecting them if they have seen someone who may provide unprotected penetration. Have I got that wrong?
 

Without wishing to divert I am even still testing regularly for CV-19 

That comes as no surprise 

[Doc Holliday]

I have been contacted by AW members seeking bareback on the basis I don't offer it, so they consider me clean, low risk an ideal candidate for bareback.

 

That does not surprise me either

[Strawberry]

Apologies I wasn’t referring to the specific punter you had binned, but from your opening sentence I took it to be your practice to check AW feedback for someone new who contacts you and rejecting them if they have seen someone who may provide unprotected penetration. Have I got that wrong?
 
That comes as no surprise 

Yes that is my policy, before the SS situation above I didn't really look as I do not find AW feedback to represent or indicate how reliable an SS is, it may however indicate the type of experience they like, type of SP they book. Since that specific experience I now look specifically for recent feedback received from a BB SP, if I spot such feedback I do politely decline explaining why. I have also noticed some SSs have BB in their likes on their own profiles, when questioned many say they didn't realise and then remove it. Whether that is the truth I do not know, mostly I err on the side of caution.

[cunnyhunt]

This has come up many times with many reasons for the profile listing bareback.

The SP confuses owo with bb
A pimp is running the profile and ticks bb to get more profile hits.
The profile has been sold to another
The SP just ticks every box without really looking.
Or they genuinely offer it.

I have been offered it several times in the past as I’m ‘ a good regular’ but I’ve not taken up the offers. I’ve also had SP’s answer their phones as a punts finished and heard multiple enquiries asking “how much extra for bb” so it’s a lot more prevelant than some realise.

Ultimately everyone barebacks someone no matter what they say, so just look after your own sexual health.

[bedhedred]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

[RandomGuy99]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

Run away!!!

[Jeffe]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

That’s a depressing notion 

[Lou2019]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

What!

[sensualencounter]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

What exactly do you mean by “already sick and they know it”???? 

[Colston36]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

Shocking - and very sad.

[myothernameis]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

Were you looking for some leads 

[bedhedred]

Shocking - and very sad.

Yeah, the implications made my blood run cold for a moment. Always make sure that condom is on properly.

[Lou2019]

Were you looking for some leads 

I don’t think it’s a laughing matter 

[finn5555]

I asked a Rom girl recently why so many profiles offer bb. Her response was along the line of: "the girls are already sick and they know it. They just want to make a bit more money as an extra."

If that’s true it’s  depressingly sad

[finn5555]

Were you looking for some leads 

A (cum) bucket list maybe 

[Iloveoral]

I don’t think it’s a laughing matter 

You ok hun? *Hugs*

Sorry

[Lou2019]

You ok hun? *Hugs*

Sorry

Seriously?

[Iloveoral]

Yeah, he was joking it’s called humour

[Lou2019]

Yeah, he was joking it’s called humour

If you think it’s a laughing matter there is something wrong with you

[Iloveoral]

If you think it’s a laughing matter there is something wrong with you

Maybe this isn’t the site for you then?

The comment has been discussed by mods btw and was seen as humour fyi

[Lou2019]

Maybe this isn’t the site for you then?

The comment has been discussed by mods btw and was seen as humour fyi

That’s the joy of a forum we have different opinions

[Iloveoral]

That’s the joy of a forum we have different opinions

It would be boring if we were all the same 

Bearing in mind the nature of this site, there’s going to be some form of lads banter, the majority are guys here, it’s going to happen and as long as it’s not overly offensive or abusive to others it’s fine.

I don’t just point that at you as a female, some guys here are a bit too sensitive too and need some big boy pants.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

From an acdemic medical viewpoint it would be intrestinhg to know what ilnesses they are infected with and are they getting any treatment for that?.

It seems to me to be a very worrying trend, do they think that with whatever they are infected with they have an idea that its pernaent and nothing can be done to cure treat it or are Pimps etc telling them that and maybe exploiting to them in that way?. I do know that some girls get welfare visits from the Police which isnt a bad thing but it may well be supposed that they arent in a position to go to a clinic or hospital maybe because theyare being exploited - extra momny for BB ?

Horrible:(

[Iloveoral]

From an acdemic medical viewpoint it would be intrestinhg to know what ilnesses they are infected with and are they getting any treatment for that?.

We wouldn’t be able to discuss that obviously (rule 25)

[myothernameis]

From an acdemic medical viewpoint it would be intrestinhg to know what ilnesses they are infected with and are they getting any treatment for that?.

On this aspect, if any of the girls have an infection, and then knowingly pass this onto a punter, even though the punter knows the risks.   Think they could they face prosecution, for knowingly infecting punters with out telling them

[Kev40ish]

I tend to get bored with this regular discussion. Particularly if you’ve been on this site for a while…
Same thing regurgitated over and over again, or like to argue about it everytime..
Just tend to show how naive some people are!!

[Kev40ish]

Safest bet is to assume all prossies are a risk so bag up and have fun 

Tend to agree with this generally, but also worth assume all punters are a risk too..

[Punting2022]

Without wishing to divert I am even still testing regularly for CV-19 

Cv 19 is over. Its just mild flu

[Punting2022]

I don’t think it’s a laughing matter 

He was not laughing about bareback. He made a sarcastic comment. For someone who sees a lot of men, you sure dont get mens comments and banter.

[Kev40ish]

Cv 19 is over. Its just mild flu

Not sure why this even needs to be discussed here 

[daviemac]

Not sure why this even needs to be discussed here 

It's the type of thing he posts, I wouldn't care he's so far wrong you wouldn't believe, but that's for the vaccine thread.

[finn5555]

Tend to agree with this generally, but also worth assume all punters are a risk too..

Absolutely 👍🏻

[Doc Holliday]

Yes that is my policy, before the SS situation above I didn't really look as I do not find AW feedback to represent or indicate how reliable an SS is, it may however indicate the type of experience they like, type of SP they book. Since that specific experience I now look specifically for recent feedback received from a BB SP, if I spot such feedback I do politely decline explaining why. I have also noticed some SSs have BB in their likes on their own profiles, when questioned many say they didn't realise and then remove it. Whether that is the truth I do not know, mostly I err on the side of caution.

Thanks for clarifying in which case I return to my original comment ie would it be reasonable if I did the same with you and found that you had seen a punter who had also seen someone with a link to BB and therefore I chose not to see you. Bear in mind that statistically given the huge feedback you have the odds of that occurring are higher?

By doing what you are and many other SPs are doing, you may filter out a potential BBer, but the time spent v benefit ratio is hardly worth it and you are just as likely to reject someone who is of no real risk.

STI transmission is being driven by poor practice outside of sex work. The scale of which is huge in comparison. That is where any infection you encounter is most likely to have originated and is impossible to screen out.

[Strawberry]

Thanks for clarifying in which case I return to my original comment ie would it be reasonable if I did the same with you and found that you had seen a punter who had also seen someone with a link to BB and therefore I chose not to see you. Bear in mind that statistically given the huge feedback you have the odds of that occurring are higher?

By doing what you are and many other SPs are doing, you may filter out a potential BBer, but the time spent v benefit ratio is hardly worth it and you are just as likely to reject someone who is of no real risk.

STI transmission is being driven by poor practice outside of sex work. The scale of which is huge in comparison. That is where any infection you encounter is most likely to have originated and is impossible to screen out.

Absolutely agree however if I do not screen that person out I risk feedback from someone with BB feedback, if someone wishes to screen me out on that basis that is fair enough. Much of the 326 feedbacks I have accrued are from remote services - webcam & phone chat. I practice safe sex bar OWO right across my life including personal life, with not exceptions so I can reduce risk to everyone including myself. The ultimate would be to remove OWO and kissing.

[bushman]

When I started using Seeking Arrangement, I was offered BB sex on average more than 50% of the time. I am sure I wouldn't have been the only one experiencing this. That availabilty to BB would normalised it for some increasing demand.

[southcoastpunter]

When I started using Seeking Arrangement, I was offered BB sex on average more than 50% of the time. I am sure I wouldn't have been the only one experiencing this. That availabilty to BB would normalised it for some increasing demand.

I think that maybe down to two main factors:
- its a reflection of how many younger people (say under 30) see sexual risks. They have grown up with not only the pill but the day after pill, the 7 days after pill, HIV not being the killer it used to be, most STI's being cured by just a course of antibiotics etc. 
- SB's don't see themselves as sex worker and therefore don't have same view on sexual health as most WG's

Having said that, of the ladies I have seen from SA, most have been hot on sexual health so maybe its also a reflection of the ones you saw or perhaps timing. I only started using SA nearly 4 years ago maybe things were different several years before that?

[Doc Holliday]

Absolutely agree however if I do not screen that person out I risk feedback from someone with BB feedback,

That's a fair point and once again you are a bad example to choose as you will no doubt have this covered as part of your well organised and comprehensive working practices. You are not 'the norm' in that respect though   

[Doc Holliday]

I think that maybe down to two main factors:
- its a reflection of how many younger people (say under 30) see sexual risks. They have grown up with not only the pill but the day after pill, the 7 days after pill, HIV not being the killer it used to be, most STI's being cured by just a course of antibiotics etc. 
- SB's don't see themselves as sex worker and therefore don't have same view on sexual health as most WG's

That's the reality, although it is far from restricted to under 30s.

[Strawberry]

That's the reality, although it is far from restricted to under 30s.

Although my punter base tends towards over 50s I do see a range of ages right down to early 20s. My experience is many older punters are used to not wearing a condom or associate it with what is likely age related ED. Some also carry lifelong assumptions and misinformation.

I have a few anecdotes one who'll be in his 70s now insistent on trying anal, recommended Vaseline as a better lubricant for anal penetration. I advised him Vaseline can weaken condoms,  he replied condoms aren't necessary 'HIV is only for gays'.