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Around here getting a crime number (especially for something which the police cant be bothered to investigate or feel that they are unlikely to easily solve ) is like getting blood from a stone

They dont actually refuse but all cops appear to have had a course in avoiding giving one or reducing it to a lower category eg Criminal damage down to anti social if you persist

Its a very effective way to reduce the stats
The individual copper has no say in what a crime is classified as in Crime Stats, it's done by the Home Office.

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Long queues for petrol in Moscow as Ukrainian drones continue to disrupt oil refineries meaning Russia who are an energy Superpower have actually had to start importing fuel  :scare:
Special military operation my arse :sarcastic:

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The drone strikes did cause some loss of production in Russia, what you might not know is that Russia has historically had a lack of petrol production, and in the summer holiday season there is always a demand from citizens taking road trips. But the reports of huge shortages is propaganda, the drone strikes are 40kg explosives popping on a fuel tank, makes a huge fire and black smoke, but is quickly replaced. In the meantime Russia has taken out the majority of Ukrainian petrol stations in eastern Ukraine, this has had the result of slowing logistic support to the AFU on the front, as well as starving the mobile drone teams of fuel too.

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The drone strikes did cause some loss of production in Russia, what you might not know is that Russia has historically had a lack of petrol production, and in the summer holiday season there is always a demand from citizens taking road trips. But the reports of huge shortages is propaganda, the drone strikes are 40kg explosives popping on a fuel tank, makes a huge fire and black smoke, but is quickly replaced. In the meantime Russia has taken out the majority of Ukrainian petrol stations in eastern Ukraine, this has had the result of slowing logistic support to the AFU on the front, as well as starving the mobile drone teams of fuel too.
You do know that the small FPV drones Ukraine uses are Electric powered don't you?

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Crime has fallen in the last 10 years!!

No, it hasn't. Those statistics fly in the face of what we can see with our own eyes. Shoplifting has now more or less been decriminalised, it's now on an industrial scale. Go into a co-op in some affluent areas of London and it's like you're in the South side of the Bronx. People don't bother reporting crime because they know the police will do nothing. You need to take off those rose tinted glasses and stop believing this state propaganda. Your complacency beggars belief.

In the quaint city of Chicheste less than 100 yds from this beautiful 14th Century Market Cross the Co-Op in the main street has nearly  half its goods  - (including all drinks) behind locked glass doors and you have to drag (what is frequently the only)  assistant to unlock the display

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The individual copper has no say in what a crime is classified as in Crime Stats, it's done by the Home Office.

Exactly! Which is why statistics are manipulated to pretend crime is falling, when we can see with our own eyes that this is a lie.

A true story; in an affluent part of London recently I asked an assistant in a small Sainsbury's why the Oxo cubes were on one of those twirly things and were awkward to pick. She said because otherwise, people would just sweep every one into their bag and leave without paying. Fucking Oxo cubes!

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The individual copper has no say in what a crime is classified as in Crime Stats, it's done by the Home Office.

How naive are you ?

1) no crime number = no crime in any stat and is never seen by anyone let alone a HO official
2) If the individual copper is forced to give a crime number but decides to record it as a lesser crime and its never investigated anyway How does a Home office official decide how it is classified ?

You cant really believe that any HO official has ever driven out and re-interviewed any reported crime 

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In the quaint city of Chicheste less than 100 yds from this beautiful 14th Century Market Cross the Co-Op in the main street has nearly  half its goods  - (including all drinks) behind locked glass doors and you have to drag (what is frequently the only)  assistant to unlock the display

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I agree shop lifting is a major problem, has been for years and is getting worse.  That is partly due to stupid changes in the way it is (or is not) dealt with, the cost of living and a change in social attitude to it that mean some see it as a victimless crime.  However that does not change the fact that overall crime is on a downward trend.


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I agree shop lifting is a major problem, has been for years and is getting worse.  That is partly due to stupid changes in the way it is (or is not) dealt with, the cost of living and a change in social attitude to it that mean some see it as a victimless crime.  However that does not change the fact that overall crime is on a downward trend.

 are there any reliable stats showing overall crime is on a downward trend ?
there are lots of stats showing RECORDED crime is on a downward trend - they are not the same thing

Shoplifting is just one example there are literally tens of thousands of incidents of shoplifting that are never reported let alone recorded or investigated.
No-one knows how many so by definition there are no reliable stats on overall crime

Online DastardlyDick

How naive are you ?

1) no crime number = no crime in any stat and is never seen by anyone let alone a HO official
2) If the individual copper is forced to give a crime number but decides to record it as a lesser crime and its never investigated anyway How does a Home office official decide how it is classified ?

You cant really believe that any HO official has ever driven out and re-interviewed any reported crime
Anything the Police attend has a number - the Met call it a CAD number, other forces call it a URN or Incident number, but it has a number.
The Home Office get figures from every force and have their own criteria for what it's classed as - there was a massive spike in Burglary stats a few years ago after the HO reclassified thefts from Hotel rooms to Burglary, because it was someone's dwelling at the time. Bad news for divisions with a lot of Hotels on their patch. The HO took on the classifications after some forces were downgrading things to "Crime Related Incidents" to improve their "sanction detection" figures. That's also why Police try and persuade prolific Criminals to own up to other, similar/identical Offences in Court as "taken into consideration" - several crimes "solved" for no additional effort.
Could you point out where I said that the HO send someone out to check? The nearest they get to that is when they employ a polling organisation to conduct surveys to see what public opinion/satisfaction rates of a Police Force is needed/wanted. It used to be called the "British Crime Survey" it's probably called something else now.
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I agree shop lifting is a major problem, has been for years and is getting worse.  That is partly due to stupid changes in the way it is (or is not) dealt with, the cost of living and a change in social attitude to it that mean some see it as a victimless crime.  However that does not change the fact that overall crime is on a downward trend.
20 or 30Years ago I went into an Off Licence in Liverpool and when you went in, you were in a floor to ceiling corridor of perspex with all the stock behind it, and two hatches, one at the far end where you told staff what you wanted and paid, and another near the door where you collected your booze. I can't remember the name of the Road, but I think it was in the  Sefton Park area.

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Exactly! Which is why statistics are manipulated to pretend crime is falling, when we can see with our own eyes that this is a lie.


Did you read my earlier post?

The ONS also state that 'Police recorded crime data are not designated as accredited official statistics'. Their reports also use the CSEW which they appear to give more credibility to?

There seems to be a misconception here about how the crime data is complied by ONS. The issues around police recording of crime are well known and understood, which is why ONS data relies primarily on collecting data using the Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) and which it considers to be more accurate, though Police data is also utilised.

The CSEW asks the public to give details of any crime that has affected them personally during the last 12 month period and includes many crimes that have not been reported to the police.

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As a result the ONS reports indicate an overall trend of reduction in crime and this is in most categories. There are exceptions and one is shoplifting which has seen a surge in the last decade (though may now be levelling out?) The category with the largest increase is fraud. This is fuelled mostly by online/phone scams etc

Sexual offences have also increased though the situation with that is also complex and was covered in the link in my earlier post.


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are there any reliable stats showing overall crime is on a downward trend ?
there are lots of stats showing RECORDED crime is on a downward trend - they are not the same thing

Shoplifting is just one example there are literally tens of thousands of incidents of shoplifting that are never reported let alone recorded or investigated.
No-one knows how many so by definition there are no reliable stats on overall crime

Yes there are, see Doc’s post above.

Also unreported crimes always an issue. If you are looking at trends that only matters if unrecorded crimes are proportionally more of a problem now than in recent years. We are talking trend not absolute numbers.

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OK so just for shits and giggles i'm wondering what may help to stop crime being committed by asylum seekers / immigrants etc  :unknown:
I'm not sure if they are fingerprinted but I doubt it however another let's face it very controversial idea would be to take a blood sample from everyone so that you have their DNA profile  :scare:  :bomb:

Obviously the above are just hypotheticals which will vehemently split opinion and would no doubt be fraught with legal challenges but should they be a requirement for anyone anyone entering the country seeking asylum or resettlement etc  :unknown:

Does this put the cat among the pigeons or the pigeon among the cats  :rolleyes:

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You do know that the small FPV drones Ukraine uses are Electric powered don't you?

You're mistaken, I'm not talking about the small tactical fpv drones, I was talking about the larger long range drones, some of which are as big as a cessna.

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OK so just for shits and giggles i'm wondering what may help to stop crime being committed by asylum seekers / immigrants etc  :unknown:
I'm not sure if they are fingerprinted but I doubt it however another let's face it very controversial idea would be to take a blood sample from everyone so that you have their DNA profile  :scare:  :bomb:

Obviously the above are just hypotheticals which will vehemently split opinion and would no doubt be fraught with legal challenges but should they be a requirement for anyone anyone entering the country seeking asylum or resettlement etc  :unknown:

Does this put the cat among the pigeons or the pigeon among the cats  :rolleyes:

Step 1.  Perhaps holding them in a secure facility until an expedited asylum hearing is held, and then deporting failed “asylum seekers” in a timely manner.

Step 2. Changing the law such that “asylum seekers” who do not meet the UN refugee convention definition (who we absolutely should support) are deported without a hearing. Subsequent UNHCR and ECHR definitions are much softer and way too broad and form the basis for abuse of our legal system. 

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If you’re trying to imply that the former caused the latter you have the sequence wrong. Carneys comments were today and the pause was 3 days ago, ending today.

And if you think Canada has any significant leverage here you’re deluded, the US market is far more important to Canada than vice versa. Canada has some sectoral asymmetries it can exploit in the near term but ultimately the US economy is 10x Canada and 75% of Canada's exports go to the US.  If Carney overplays his hand it’ll be painful for the Canadians.

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Did you read my earlier post?

There seems to be a misconception here about how the crime data is complied by ONS. The issues around police recording of crime are well known and understood, which is why ONS data relies primarily on collecting data using the Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) and which it considers to be more accurate, though Police data is also utilised.

The CSEW asks the public to give details of any crime that has affected them personally during the last 12 month period and includes many crimes that have not been reported to the police.

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As a result the ONS reports indicate an overall trend of reduction in crime and this is in most categories. There are exceptions and one is shoplifting which has seen a surge in the last decade (though may now be levelling out?) The category with the largest increase is fraud. This is fuelled mostly by online/phone scams etc

Sexual offences have also increased though the situation with that is also complex and was covered in the link in my earlier post.

conclusion 1
The ONS doesnt trust the police either  :rolleyes:
conclusion 2
The admittedly flawed police stats are actual data and should record every reported crime the CSEW is a survey,  a sample  I have no idea how accurate it is but its a bit like the difference between an election result and an opinion poll

but let me give an actual example
A couple of years ago the community space I was involved with was invaded by travellers,  a little old lady walking her dog as she did every day was assaulted verbally and physically (pushed her over fortunately on grass so no serious injury) 999 called and a PCSO attended and said (and I quote) "I can only advise you not to walk your dog here for a few days until they leave"

I'll bet you a pint that no crime was ever recorded in police stats or any survey


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some figures
Police recorded annual Shoplifting is around half a million offences of which apparently 81,000 were prosecuted

There are around 35,000 supermarkets in the UK (depends on how many corner shops you include) Police stats mean one recorded shoplifting offence each every 3 weeks. I suspect several a day in each store would be nearer the mark 

British Retail Consortium reports £2.2 Billion stock loss - mainly shoplifting but includes staff thefts
So the average shoplifter manages to pocket £4,400 each time or more likely the crime is vastly under reported perhaps only 1 in 100 or more
50 million shoplifting offences each year  (and admittedly I'm taking the extreme estimate) would numerically dwarf all other crimes put together
 What if the average item is under a fiver ? which it probably is from corner shops

The ONS survey (CSEW)  doesnt record any figures for shoplifting relying on police figures

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Sexual offences have also increased though the situation with that is also complex and was covered in the link in my earlier post.

Given the pamphlet the Home Office are issuing to illegal immigrants, asking them not to commit rape and other sexual offences, perhaps they think there are aspects less complex than you might think.

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Given the pamphlet the Home Office are issuing to illegal immigrants, asking them not to commit rape and other sexual offences, perhaps they think there are aspects less complex than you might think.

They might as well send that "Protect and Survive" one in case of a nuclear attack by Puty..

Anyone remember that film?..

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If you’re trying to imply that the former caused the latter you have the sequence wrong. Carneys comments were today and the pause was 3 days ago, ending today.

And if you think Canada has any significant leverage here you’re deluded, the US market is far more important to Canada than vice versa. Canada has some sectoral asymmetries it can exploit in the near term but ultimately the US economy is 10x Canada and 75% of Canada's exports go to the US.  If Carney overplays his hand it’ll be painful for the Canadians.
Canada supplies 60% of US Crude Oil Imports and US Refineries are set up to process it - it would take billions of dollars and several years to convert them to (for example) Saudi Oil. They also currently get that Crude below World Market prices - $16 per barrel less. The Canadians also supply 99% of Natural Gas, 85% of Electricity Imports and 80% of US Potash which they need to grow food.
The Yanks are screaming with the booze and tourism boycott which are estimated to have cost the US $343bn in wine exports and spirit exports have dropped by between 60 and 70% - Jim Beam have had to shut down at least 1 distillery.
The Tourism boycott is estimated to have cost the US $2.35bn.
For all Trumps bluster at "not needing Canada" they do - in addition to the above, Canada supplies Uranium for US Nuclear Reactors and rare metals.
Maybe Canada has more leverage than thought?

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Canada supplies 60% of US Crude Oil Imports and US Refineries are set up to process it - it would take billions of dollars and several years to convert them to (for example) Saudi Oil. They also currently get that Crude below World Market prices - $16 per barrel less. The Canadians also supply 99% of Natural Gas, 85% of Electricity Imports and 80% of US Potash which they need to grow food.
The Yanks are screaming with the booze and tourism boycott which are estimated to have cost the US $343bn in wine exports and spirit exports have dropped by between 60 and 70% - Jim Beam have had to shut down at least 1 distillery.
The Tourism boycott is estimated to have cost the US $2.35bn.
For all Trumps bluster at "not needing Canada" they do - in addition to the above, Canada supplies Uranium for US Nuclear Reactors and rare metals.
Maybe Canada has more leverage than thought?

Just nope.

Notwithstanding that oil and gas are not subject to these tariffs,Canadians have an equal problem with where they sell their oil and the obvious replacement in US refineries is Venezuelan crude. 

This is all about the “transnational loophole” in NAFTA that was closed by USMCA and protecting the US from Chinese goods being dumped in Canada and shipped to the US from there.

Carney is playing a strange game in these negotiations. It can only end badly for Canada.

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Just nope.

Notwithstanding that oil and gas are not subject to these tariffs,Canadians have an equal problem with where they sell their oil and the obvious replacement in US refineries is Venezuelan crude. 

This is all about the “transnational loophole” in NAFTA that was closed by USMCA and protecting the US from Chinese goods being dumped in Canada and shipped to the US from there.

Carney is playing a strange game in these negotiations. It can only end badly for Canada.
I believe the Canadians are considering export Tariffs and are rapidly diversifying their export markets - what will make a difference is the mid terms - even MAGA loyalists will struggle with 50% on their food bills. I would also doubt that Venezuela can come close to matching the input of Crude that Canada supplies.

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I believe the Canadians are considering export Tariffs and are rapidly diversifying their export markets - what will make a difference is the mid terms - even MAGA loyalists will struggle with 50% on their food bills. I would also doubt that Venezuela can come close to matching the input of Crude that Canada supplies.

Sure  :thumbsup:

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some figures
Police recorded annual Shoplifting is around half a million offences of which apparently 81,000 were prosecuted

There are around 35,000 supermarkets in the UK (depends on how many corner shops you include) Police stats mean one recorded shoplifting offence each every 3 weeks. I suspect several a day in each store would be nearer the mark 


 

All of the following information is contained via the links I have previously provided.

As ONS advises you cannot accurately record the total number of crimes. There are some exceptions with serious crime, homicide being the most notable. But the discussion here is whether crime is increasing or not and the trend within different categories.

Because of the changing variances over time of Police recorded crime, the ONS does not consider it to be reliable, but the CSEW has shown a much more consistent methodology since 1981 and therefore is a much more reliable indicator of trends. You don’t need to record the total number of crimes to establish trends. Shoplifting relies on police recording and even with that limitation, shows a huge surge in recorded numbers. The trend is clearly upwards.

The role of ONS is to gather accurate data within accepted limitations. It is then the role of the government to act on it via its enforcement agencies. In the case of shoplifting it has clearly failed.

conclusion 1
The ONS doesnt trust the police either  :rolleyes:
conclusion 2
The admittedly flawed police stats are actual data and should record every reported crime the CSEW is a survey,  a sample  I have no idea how accurate it is but its a bit like the difference between an election result and an opinion poll

but let me give an actual example
A couple of years ago the community space I was involved with was invaded by travellers,  a little old lady walking her dog as she did every day was assaulted verbally and physically (pushed her over fortunately on grass so no serious injury) 999 called and a PCSO attended and said (and I quote) "I can only advise you not to walk your dog here for a few days until they leave"

I'll bet you a pint that no crime was ever recorded in police stats or any survey

I have been involved in two ONS interview surveys (not crime related) and I can assure you they are not opinion polls.

The CSEW is a face to face highly structured interview lasting at least 45 minutes and can be much longer if the interviewee has been a victim of crime. The household sample size is the second largest the ONS undertakes (the census being the largest) and is considered sufficient to be representative of the general population.
There are also sections of the interview which allow you to give your ‘perception’ of crime in your vicinity eg antisocial behaviour, litter etc. As ONS acknowledges there are limitations.
 
The crime in your example is exactly the type that CSEW is hoping to pick up.



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Given the pamphlet the Home Office are issuing to illegal immigrants, asking them not to commit rape and other sexual offences, perhaps they think there are aspects less complex than you might think.

I expected much better from you Charlie.

Did you read my earlier post?

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I believe the Canadians are considering export Tariffs and are rapidly diversifying their export markets - what will make a difference is the mid terms - even MAGA loyalists will struggle with 50% on their food bills. I would also doubt that Venezuela can come close to matching the input of Crude that Canada supplies.
I believe that some Canadian stores decided not to sell American products like Jack Daniels etc and in some cases where they had stock it went largely unsold as customers refused to buy it, here in the UK I do know people who've decided to boycott American products where possible

The majority of the world has woken up to the fact that America is no longer a trusted ally or partner, in the short term we are still tied by international trading systems and supply chains as many things are globalised however companies and indeed entire countries are now looking to diversify their reliance on the US to avoid being hamstrung long term.

These global chains can take a while to break or at least water down so the liklihood is that a lot of this won't happen until after Tango man has left office however he's undoubtedly damaging the US's position and standing in the world long term.
Companies and countries are right to be wary as we simply don't know what follows Trump as it may even be worse, JD Vance anyone  :unknown:

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I expected much better from you Charlie.

Doc, I'm only pointing out that the Home Office know that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit rape and sexual assaults than anybody else, which is why they're producing those pamphlets..

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Doc, I'm only pointing out that the Home Office know that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit rape and sexual assaults than anybody else, which is why they're producing those pamphlets..

I would agree and IMO given the 'stature of women' in other countries it is good practice, but I have highlighted the more likely comment as that is difficult to reliably quantify.
 
It doesn't alter the fact that even if they were say twice or three times as likely to commit sexual offences than UK nationals, this will have only a minimal impact on the total number of increased sexual offences over the last decade.

That is because it is complex  :D You would see how complex had you read the link  ;)

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I believe that some Canadian stores decided not to sell American products like Jack Daniels etc and in some cases where they had stock it went largely unsold as customers refused to buy it, here in the UK I do know people who've decided to boycott American products where possible

The majority of the world has woken up to the fact that America is no longer a trusted ally or partner, in the short term we are still tied by international trading systems and supply chains as many things are globalised however companies and indeed entire countries are now looking to diversify their reliance on the US to avoid being hamstrung long term.

These global chains can take a while to break or at least water down so the liklihood is that a lot of this won't happen until after Tango man has left office however he's undoubtedly damaging the US's position and standing in the world long term.
Companies and countries are right to be wary as we simply don't know what follows Trump as it may even be worse, JD Vance anyone  :unknown:

This is the standard media/globalist framing: America under Trump is the problem, so boycott Jack Daniel’s and “diversify” towards who, exactly? China?

Canadian stores soft-boycotting American goods and UK consumers doing the same is performative and self-defeating. Canada’s leadership has spent years posturing against Trump instead of fixing its own productivity, housing, energy, and investment problems. That's displacement masquerading as strategy.  Moving deeper into China’s economic orbit is not “diversification” it’s trading one dependence for a far more coercive one.

The United States is openly treating China as the primary long-term strategic and economic threat. Many traditional allies, including us, have spent the last two decades free-riding on American security guarantees while deepening commercial ties with Beijing, lecturing Washington on trade deficits, and treating American industrial policy as somehow illegitimate. When the US finally starts acting in its own interest with tariffs, reshoring, confronting IP theft and overcapacity, the same voices cry “unreliable ally.” That's just resentment at the end of a free ride.

Global supply chains will adjust, but the idea that the rest of the world can casually “water down” reliance on the US market, dollar system, technology, and security umbrella without serious costs is a fantasy. Companies and countries that treat the current US as the greater risk than China, an authoritarian rival with explicit revisionist goals, are making a long-term strategic error.

Trump is temporary. The structural choice between a rules-based (if imperfect) American order and a Chinese hierarchical one is not.  There isn’t a third option at the moment. 

The “what comes after Trump could be even worse - JD Vance anyone?” bit is just leftie wibble, but no surprise there the left has been branding every somewhat conservative leader as “worse than a Hitler” for decades.  Vance’s record and public positions show continuity on the core issues, not a lurch into something darker.  I would expect a Vance administration to be less divisive, JD is an order of magnitude less obnoxious than Trump.
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I believe that some Canadian stores decided not to sell American products like Jack Daniels etc and in some cases where they had stock it went largely unsold as customers refused to buy it, here in the UK I do know people who've decided to boycott American products where possible
Except for Alberta and one other Province, alcohol in Canada is sold through Stores owned by the Provincial Government, like the Liquor Control Board of Ontario so it's very easy to restrict sales of US (or anyone else's) alcohol. They're currently refusing to stock US Alcohol, and Carney cannot make them put it back - something Trump and his motley crew can't seem to grasp.
The boycott is nothing to do with Government action at either Federal or Provincial level - that's just ordinary Canadians voting with their wallets, another thing the current US regime seems to struggle to understand.
From a purely business point of view, the Provinces are unlikely to buy US alcohol anytime soon because it won't sell and they won't recoup their expenditure.
As for the US belly aching about alleged restrictive practices by Canada - they have plenty of their own, so it's all pure hypocrisy.

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This is the standard media/globalist framing: America under Trump is the problem, so boycott Jack Daniel’s and “diversify” towards who, exactly? China?

Canadian stores soft-boycotting American goods and UK consumers doing the same is performative and self-defeating. Canada’s leadership has spent years posturing against Trump instead of fixing its own productivity, housing, energy, and investment problems. That's displacement masquerading as strategy.  Moving deeper into China’s economic orbit is not “diversification” it’s trading one dependence for a far more coercive one.

The United States is openly treating China as the primary long-term strategic and economic threat. Many traditional allies, including us, have spent the last two decades free-riding on American security guarantees while deepening commercial ties with Beijing, lecturing Washington on trade deficits, and treating American industrial policy as somehow illegitimate. When the US finally starts acting in its own interest with tariffs, reshoring, confronting IP theft and overcapacity, the same voices cry “unreliable ally.” That's just resentment at the end of a free ride.

Global supply chains will adjust, but the idea that the rest of the world can casually “water down” reliance on the US market, dollar system, technology, and security umbrella without serious costs is a fantasy. Companies and countries that treat the current US as the greater risk than China, an authoritarian rival with explicit revisionist goals, are making a long-term strategic error.

Trump is temporary. The structural choice between a rules-based (if imperfect) American order and a Chinese hierarchical one is not.  There isn’t a third option at the moment. 

The “what comes after Trump could be even worse - JD Vance anyone?” bit is just leftie wibble, but no surprise there the left has been branding every somewhat conservative leader as “worse than a Hitler” for decades.  Vance’s record and public positions show continuity on the core issues, not a lurch into something darker.  I would expect a Vance administration to be less divisive, JD is an order of magnitude less obnoxious than Trump.

If anything, his own obnoxious monents have also been performative to endear him to Trump, his circle and base etc.

Let's be clear, Trump is not interested in the rule of law or corporate America's interests, only those of him, his circle and associates.  Vance would probably be sold as a corrective 'brake' or bookend on that era, even if in hock to a different set of associates.

How do genuine Trump fans rate this administration so far? Going well?

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Doc, I'm only pointing out that the Home Office know that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit rape and sexual assaults than anybody else, which is why they're producing those pamphlets..
...........and why the Pink Ladies exist.
I've seen interviews with several of these women who have personally experienced harassment/incidents and personally know others involved in incidents involving migrants.
Its unsurprising since some are undocumented and frequently lie about their age. How can anyone check their background when nobody knows who they are or anything about them? 

''We are grandmothers, mothers, sisters, and daughters who are deeply concerned about the future of our country, especially in light of mass immigration and, in particular, illegal immigration.''

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Enlighten us please.

While you’re at it you can add the evidence for the 99% and what you mean by their sort and their areas too, please.
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If anything, his own obnoxious monents have also been performative to endear him to Trump, his circle and base etc.

Let's be clear, Trump is not interested in the rule of law or corporate America's interests, only those of him, his circle and associates.  Vance would probably be sold as a corrective 'brake' or bookend on that era, even if in hock to a different set of associates.

How do genuine Trump fans rate this administration so far? Going well?
Vance was openly critical of Trump until he was made an offer he couldn't refuse, which may not be acceptable to the "base", who are finally, very slowly, working out that Trump does not give a flying fuck about their interest, as well as the fact that "ObamaCare" (which they profess to be against) and the Affordable Care Act (which they support) are, in fact, one and the same.

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...........and why the Pink Ladies exist.
I've seen interviews with several of these women who have personally experienced harassment/incidents and personally know others involved in incidents involving migrants.
Its unsurprising since some are undocumented and frequently lie about their age. How can anyone check their background when nobody knows who they are or anything about them? 

''We are grandmothers, mothers, sisters, and daughters who are deeply concerned about the future of our country, especially in light of mass immigration and, in particular, illegal immigration.''

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I wonder if the're against Child Benefit? Bit of an "own goal" if they are.

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Enlighten us please.

While you’re at it you can add the evidence for the 99% and what you mean by their sort and their areas too, please.

He's merely sharing a widely held perception that the police can seem very eager to announce the details of a suspect if they're white and British, and less so if they're not.

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I wonder if the're against Child Benefit? Bit of an "own goal" if they are.
They have a grasp of the reality of the situation. It looks like you dont.

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...........and why the Pink Ladies exist.
I've seen interviews with several of these women who have personally experienced harassment/incidents and personally know others involved in incidents involving migrants.
Its unsurprising since some are undocumented and frequently lie about their age. How can anyone check their background when nobody knows who they are or anything about them? 

''We are grandmothers, mothers, sisters, and daughters who are deeply concerned about the future of our country, especially in light of mass immigration and, in particular, illegal immigration.''

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Weren't "The Pink Ladies" a roly-poly comedy dance troupe?

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Weren't "The Pink Ladies" a roly-poly comedy dance troupe?
I dont know about that.

I dont think that the ones that  I mentioned are in it for laughs.

Anyone that wants to find out more could perhaps ask them by email.
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He's merely sharing a widely held perception that the police can seem very eager to announce the details of a suspect if they're white and British, and less so if they're not.

Very eager doesn't begin to describe it
They can't wait to announce it
Reminds me of the 'The Gabbler' ready-aim-fire
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Wanting to share it just as fast as they can

When it comes to a non-white person & especially an illegal the rozzers do their very best not to announce anything
Despite the fact that it is very highly likely that they know exactly who it is & what colour they are
Especially when they've been arrested & are sitting in a cell
The higher ups in the rozzers have Govt instructions to suppress delay release of such detail to try & pretend that there isn't a problem
& this filters down the line
The result is two tier policing

The rozzers withold until the very last moment possible when its a migrant that is under suspicion [they would like them to come forward to help them with their investigation .... good luck with that  :rolleyes:] then somehow they now have them in custody
When the rozzers think that details on the perp are about to be announced in the media [think like a weekly paper with titles such as Argus & Gazette] they spring into action & make an announcement
& expect people to be impressed  :rolleyes:

They're at it again they're it at again, two tier rozzers they're ....


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He's merely sharing a widely held perception that the police can seem very eager to announce the details of a suspect if they're white and British, and less so if they're not.
Remember the "Farage Riots" in Southport and other places in 2024? That's why they don't announce ethnic backgrounds.
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He's merely sharing a widely held perception that the police can seem very eager to announce the details of a suspect if they're white and British, and less so if they're not.
No he’s not and you know he’s not. He is assuming it’s one of his bullshit 99%ers.
In fact the police have said they have arrested a local 60 yr old man. Not mentioned anything about ethnicity.

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Remember the "Farage Riots" in Southport and other places in 2024? That's why they don't announce ethnic backgrounds.

Rudabanka was Black. Police never announce Ethnicity when its a migrant, black etc.
Also when you know Bournemouth is a town of high migrants as they invadeded the hotels. Its common to know they done it.

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Weren't "The Pink Ladies" a roly-poly comedy dance troupe?

They are a more serious break away group from The Old Bats in Red Hats organisation, dedicated to growing old disgracefully.

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They are a more serious break away group from The Old Bats in Red Hats organisation, dedicated to growing old disgracefully.
I thought they were the girl gang in Grease until I looked them up.

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An academic at the University of Ghent - for any members who support Reform, that's in Belgium - has been suspended for accusing the late Cambridge professor Jason Arday of plagiarism.

He's a tragic figure, a victim of our times, but to be vilified for telling the truth seems very Orwellian.

He wasn't 'vilified for telling the truth'. He has lost his position because he declared publicly that his 'study' was of topics that were entirely different to those for which the university had offered the positing and funding. He also put the university's name to his claims when they had no involvement.

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He wasn't 'vilified for telling the truth'. He has lost his position because he declared publicly that his 'study' was of topics that were entirely different to those for which the university had offered the positing and funding. He also put the university's name to his claims when they had no involvement.

That’s not true.

Firstly, he hasn’t lost his position, he’s been suspended pending disciplinary proceedings. Secondly, University of Ghent's own statements make clear the disciplinary is in relation to his comments on Arday.

And he has, objectively, been vilified for telling the truth. Multiple speakers in the Trafalgar Square vigil called him out, including Diane Abbott, media coverage has spent more column inches discussing his “race realism” than the actual allegations against Arday.  He has been scapegoated. 

And to the best of my knowledge no one has contradicted anything within Cofnas substack that kicked off the matter.




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