Estate Agent Sacked

[lostandfound]

Criminal record should fuck up his career.

Or will it? Seem to recall some estate agents claim it's a "profession" and not just chancers trying it on? If the former, then yes he's fucked. Otherwise ...

[Marmalade]

Maybe not an offence, but the company could decide it reflects badly on them if they don't fire him. He could go to a tribunal and they'd probably end up saying the same. It's not a legal thing and the tribunal would just decide it was common sense t6o see that he had acted like a yob. He would probably get any outstanding pay due him though his ex-employers will doubtless have been wise enough to award that already.

[winkywanky]

I think a lot of firms have a contract clause now, bringing the company into disrepute or such?

That covers events such as these, where they don't wish to be associated with the gormless actions of an employee, especially when it's high profile like this.

[Blackpool Rock]

I think a lot of firms have a contract clause now, bringing the company into disrepute or such?

That covers events such as these, where they don't wish to be associated with the gormless actions of an employee, especially when it's high profile like this.

Yes the thing is as an estate agent and i'm not sure what his exact role / duties were but if he's dealing with the public and going into peoples houses and / or dealing with financial matters his job may well require him to have a CRB check etc however if he now has a criminal record then he's fucked 

[radioman33]

Yes the thing is as an estate agent and i'm not sure what his exact role / duties were but if he's dealing with the public and going into peoples houses and / or dealing with financial matters his job may well require him to have a CRB check etc however if he now has a criminal record then he's fucked 

That’s right,he’s a loose cannon.He could attack during a viewing for example.Suzy Lamplugh disappeared while doing a lone viewing she was the agent.

[Doc Holliday]

Yes the thing is as an estate agent and i'm not sure what his exact role / duties were but if he's dealing with the public and going into peoples houses and / or dealing with financial matters his job may well require him to have a CRB check etc however if he now has a criminal record then he's fucked 

Yes my understanding is Estate Agents will need a basic DBS (formerly CRB) and the recent conviction will be declared. That does not mean any prospective employer will automatically reject him although it is likely they will.

As others have said the £100 is 'token' compensation and not a fine, but do not underestimate the significance of a suspended sentence. This is of course a criminal conviction but is also a ticking time bomb whilst active and if you are charged with any other criminal offence during that period (no matter how minor) the suspended sentence may become activated.

[king tarzan]

I never liked Prescott until that incident when he went up in my estimation, I was glad to see him have a go back and defend himself 

Don't think there was any ever chance of him being sacked though as it would have been claimed as self defence plus he was just following orders, apparently Tony had told him to go out and connect with the electorate   

Nothing better for a real man if provoked physically to respond with fists very generously 👊👊🥊🥊

[radioman33]

I watched the Prescott incident on YouTube it’s only natural to react like that,Nigel Farage didn’t fight back when hit with a milkshake,he’s done so much for us already he could have at least finished that idiot off shame.

[king tarzan]

I watched the Prescott incident on YouTube it’s only natural to react like that,Nigel Farage didn’t fight back when hit with a milkshake,he’s done so much for us already he could have at least finished that idiot off shame.

Depends on how your mind is wired to your fists 👊👊👊👊👊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊

[radioman33]

Depends on how your mind is wired to your fists 👊👊👊👊👊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊

Politicians in headlocks,do well to stay in control.By that I think you mean boxers who stop boxing and turn it into a street fight,losing the fight.

[radioman33]

In a similar situation to this case the MP in my area in Essex has been attacked I think another bad one like the jo cox attack,David Amess stabbed

[lostandfound]

Poor sod has died. The authorities have to sort out better security for MPs. This is just the latest in a series of tragedies.

[radioman33]

Poor sod has died. The authorities have to sort out better security for MPs. This is just the latest in a series of tragedies.

Yes I have seen him out canvassing a few times,it’s a nice area where he was stabbed,very quiet and next to a golf course and nice houses.

[lostandfound]

Yes I have seen him out canvassing a few times,it’s a nice area where he was stabbed,very quiet and next to a golf course and nice houses.

A kind and courteous man by all accounts. Very sad. 

[lillythesavage]

In a similar situation to this case the MP in my area in Essex has been attacked I think another bad one like the jo cox attack,David Amess stabbed

Stephen Timms was too some time ago, RIP if he has succumbed, madness, this country needs a big shake up, but like the Bow and Arrow nutter, if they are known to be a problem locked up or deported, instead of being watched, which is obviously not working.

[Blackpool Rock]

Poor sod has died. The authorities have to sort out better security for MPs. This is just the latest in a series of tragedies.

This will always be a tough one as people complain that MP's etc aren't accountable and accessible enough to the public but then they risk things like this when they do meet the public however if they had too much security people could also feel uneasy about visiting their MP

[radioman33]

The bloke who attacked  Chris Whitty had him in a headlock and got a suspended sentence,we aren’t tough enough with offenders.Whitty was harassed 4 times apparently.

[lostandfound]

This will always be a tough one as people complain that MP's etc aren't accountable and accessible enough to the public but then they risk things like this when they do meet the public however if they had too much security people could also feel uneasy about visiting their MP

From reports it seems he may not have had a bodyguard; I saw that a party official said during electioneering they made sure he always had someone with him. Can't be too hard or disproportionately expensive to provide state of the art stab vests and a bodyguard for constituency meetings? Speaking as a non expert on security matters.

I also see reports that threats to MPs have really ramped up in recent times.

[petermisc]

From reports it seems he may not have had a bodyguard; I saw that a party official said during electioneering they made sure he always had someone with him. Can't be too hard or disproportionately expensive to provide state of the art stab vests and a bodyguard for constituency meetings? Speaking as a non expert on security matters.

I also see reports that threats to MPs have really ramped up in recent times.

AFAIA, only ministers get bodyguards, not every MP.

Once you start providing bodyguards, tab-vests and the like for MPs, what next?  Should every elected county and parish councillor get one?

MPs and councillors are there to represent their communities.  Once you start separating them from those communities, by providing bodyguards, stab-vests, and such-like, then democracy will be the poorer for it.  Once upon a time, police were also part of the community, but now they walk around in pairs wearing stab-vests.  Their segregation from the communities they police has been very bad for policing, and I believe has not made them safer in the long-run.
 

[lostandfound]

AFAIA, only ministers get bodyguards, not every MP.

Once you start providing bodyguards, tab-vests and the like for MPs, what next?  Should every elected county and parish councillor get one?

MPs and councillors are there to represent their communities.  Once you start separating them from those communities, by providing bodyguards, stab-vests, and such-like, then democracy will be the poorer for it.  Once upon a time, police were also part of the community, but now they walk around in pairs wearing stab-vests.  Their segregation from the communities they police has been very bad for policing, and I believe has not made them safer in the long-run.

Well maybe security for MPs will change following this latest incident - though if the past is any guide maybe not.

Stab vests can be made unobtrusive. Maybe Police wear highly visible ones to make a point, and to keep costs down - others would not need to make that point - just be safe.

A bodyguard, and a stab vest need not be obvious, IIRC training for bodyguards is to be unobtrusive and avoid a threat in the first place.

All of that is probably irrelevant, as I suspect the direction of travel may be increasingly to protect those who are at risk by digitalising interaction with the public, and developing technology will make it inexpensive. I'm amazed how powerful a £300 VR headset is that I bought last month, and that's a tech that is just getting started.

[willie loman]

i can see the need for face to face with a doctor, but with an mp? the technology is there, they can be in different rooms, way to many nutters floating about.

[Markus]

I read all the lovely things people have said about the MP is quite heartbreaking.  I didn’t know of him but the effort he went to got to know his constituents was remarkable.  A small business said they he took the time to know them and wrote to them thanking them for having their business in his constituency.

I must say that I haven’t held much regard for government or the Conservative Party in the last few months but this news really saddened me today.   Such a thoroughly decent man losing his life for no reason is very upsetting.

[radioman33]

i can see the need for face to face with a doctor, but with an mp? the technology is there, they can be in different rooms, way to many nutters floating about.

That area has elderly people in bungalows (his mum was 104)he saw the old lady opposite the Baptist hall for a cuppa apparently,it’s like saying we don’t need banks or post offices anymore.85 year olds can’t log into zoom meetings.

[Chorley]

AFAIA, only ministers get bodyguards, not every MP.

Once you start providing bodyguards, tab-vests and the like for MPs, what next?  Should every elected county and parish councillor get one?

MPs and councillors are there to represent their communities.  Once you start separating them from those communities, by providing bodyguards, stab-vests, and such-like, then democracy will be the poorer for it.  Once upon a time, police were also part of the community, but now they walk around in pairs wearing stab-vests.  Their segregation from the communities they police has been very bad for policing, and I believe has not made them safer in the long-run.

I'd agree, and sadly the cynic in me think this will be used by Priti Patel and others in the Conservative party as an excuse to restrict the interaction and accountabity with local MP's and by extension the government. 

[willie loman]

That area has elderly people in bungalows (his mum was 104)he saw the old lady opposite the Baptist hall for a cuppa apparently,it’s like saying we don’t need banks or post offices anymore.85 year olds can’t log into zoom meetings.

its terrible grandparents cant skype with their grandchildren, they just dont have the ability?

[radioman33]

its terrible grandparents cant skype with their grandchildren, they just dont have the ability?

Some do however the majority don’t use smartphones which is the same issue when the government wanted to use vaccine passports.It is how things work David Amess was regularly seen walking around here I saw him often talking to old people at bus stops or having his picture taken for the local paper.

[willie loman]

Some do however the majority don’t use smartphones which is the same issue when the government wanted to use vaccine passports.It is how things work David Amess was regularly seen walking around here I saw him often talking to old people at bus stops or having his picture taken for the local paper.

that is not the point, anyone can if they wish walk around visiting people, but if an mp wishes to avoid face to face meetings its perfectly achievable, please lets end this opposition to progress by citing pensioners who dont have laptops etc, some no doubt war veterans.

[radioman33]

that is not the point, anyone can if they wish walk around visiting people, but if an mp wishes to avoid face to face meetings its perfectly achievable, please lets end this opposition to progress by citing pensioners who dont have laptops etc, some no doubt war veterans.

David Amess could have been stabbed in Sainsbury’s you can’t wrap people in cotton wool,these Lone wolfs will kill by some way like driving a car into that church,it’s more of a hall on a busy road.

[willie loman]

David Amess could have been stabbed in Sainsbury’s you can’t wrap people in cotton wool,these Lone wolfs will kill by some way like driving a car into that church,it’s more of a hall on a busy road.

i am not contesting that at all, merely saying, that if its considered appropriate meeting with mps at surgery dont have to be face to face.

[Marmalade]

Some MPs might feel safer at least hiring a bouncer.

I don’t approve of the extreme language that has been used by some Labour figures though. Not saying it was causative but has no place in a rational democracy.

[radioman33]

Some MPs might feel safer at least hiring a bouncer.

I don’t approve of the extreme language that has been used by some Labour figures though. Not saying it was causative but has no place in a rational democracy.

Angela Rayner is a disgrace how must she feel now.

[Adoniron]

Angela Rayner is a disgrace how must she feel now.

A bit party political there. I don't see how she can be held responsible for the actions of a radical islamist.

[Marmalade]

A bit party political there. I don't see how she can be held responsible for the actions of a radical islamist.

Of course she can't – but it is a terrible example she set.

Latest news says Insulate and Extinction Rebellion are networking harassment attacks on MPs at their offices and homes. Possibly not intending violence though some violent offshoots have been identified apparently. There's some nasty footage of Gove being barraged and fortunately, there were police to give some security. This sort of thing however, even if the groups mentioned are totally unaware of it, was also along the long term plans for incitement if I remember correctly outlined a few years back in that Channel 4 exposé of the 'model' mosque.

[Adoniron]

Of course she can't – but it is a terrible example she set.

Latest news says Insulate and Extinction Rebellion are networking harassment attacks on MPs at their offices and homes. Possibly not intending violence though some violent offshoots have been identified apparently. There's some nasty footage of Gove being barraged and fortunately, there were police to give some security. This sort of thing however, even if the groups mentioned are totally unaware of it, was also along the long term plans for incitement if I remember correctly outlined a few years back in that Channel 4 exposé of the 'model' mosque.

This is what happens when newspapers call judges enemies of the people and members of the great British public says MPs are traitors who should be hanged. The more it happens the more accepting we become of it and the more it happens again.

[Rick2468]

One of the accused is in the news again. Appeared to his court case via video link and was in his dressing gown. His lawyer withdrew from representing himself out of embarrassment. Some of the quotes in the article are cringe.

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[Aldebaran]

One of the accused is in the news again. Appeared to his court case via video link and was in his dressing gown. His lawyer withdrew from representing himself out of embarrassment. Some of the quotes in the article are cringe.

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I read that article. They guy sounds a complete tosser. The judge accused him of having a cavalier attitude to the court and he asked what cavalier meant!

[george r]

One of the accused is in the news again. Appeared to his court case via video link and was in his dressing gown. His lawyer withdrew from representing himself out of embarrassment. Some of the quotes in the article are cringe.

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what dick head !! prob on dancing on ice next with the rest of the dickheads !!

[Blackpool Rock]

One of the accused is in the news again. Appeared to his court case via video link and was in his dressing gown. His lawyer withdrew from representing himself out of embarrassment. Some of the quotes in the article are cringe.

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From memory this one was sofa surfing or similar 
Reading the interactions between him and the court he just sounds like one of the Millions of useless pricks we seem to have bred in this country 
Telling the court / judge he'd got it wrong FFS "I know my rights" 

[WASA38]

Poor sod has died. The authorities have to sort out better security for MPs. This is just the latest in a series of tragedies.

Now the murdering bastard has pleaded not guilty. Presumably with the devious objective of maximising his opportunity to  spout a load of extreme islamist garbage in court.

[Rick2468]

I read that article. They guy sounds a complete tosser. The judge accused him of having a cavalier attitude to the court and he asked what cavalier meant!

The judge then replied that is was an affordable family car manufactured by Vauxhall.

I do wonder though, can anyone genuinely be so stupid. I have a theory he is acting dumb to clog the process and have a laugh with his mates afterwards. I would like to see him go to jail. I read that when he was arrested he gave his brother's name which is really scummy.

[Bertiebeenthere]

Now the murdering bastard has pleaded not guilty. Presumably with the devious objective of maximising his opportunity to  spout a load of extreme islamist garbage in court.

And have Legal Aid to pay his fees!

[WARSZAWA16]

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Sentenced to 8 weeks in prison.

[badsin]

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Sentenced to 8 weeks in prison.

Seems a bit strong considering some of the crimes committed over the last 18-24 months.

[Blackpool Rock]

Seems a bit strong considering some of the crimes committed over the last 18-24 months.

His mate fessed up and got a suspended 8 weeks plus a £100 fine but this prick pissed around in court to the point his legal counsel quit, luck he didn't get more for the contempt of court

[Squire Haggard]

The judge said,

"You had a significant, I go as far as to say, an appalling criminal record,"

........almost as appalling as Agadoo.

[radioman33]

Horrible yob,vaping/smoking in the courtroom,no respect whatsoever,vile.

[daviemac]

Seems a bit strong considering some of the crimes committed over the last 18-24 months.

He's lucky he didn't get more. He has 26 previous convictions including public order offences. Obviously hasn't learned not to keep break the law.

[tynetunnel]

A pair of worthless cu**ts who take more out of society than they put back

[mr.bluesky]

He's lucky he didn't get more. He has 26 previous convictions including public order offences. Obviously hasn't learned not to keep break the law.

Makes you wonder how an arsehole like that ever got a job as an estate agent 

[Bertiebeenthere]

Makes you wonder how an arsehole like that ever got a job as an estate agent 

Obvious really