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Offline radioman33

The news today of the company sacking the lad for the attack on Chris Whitty was the right decision,he wouldn’t be able to continue doing his job as he’s committed a criminal act,being in people’s homes etc.If it was my business I wouldn’t want him around and he’d be gone,an employment tribunal wouldn’t be successful either.Its a thing these days for youngsters to film things on phones for social media I think,silly boy.

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The news today of the company sacking the lad for the attack on Chris Whitty was the right decision,he wouldn’t be able to continue doing his job as he’s committed a criminal act,being in people’s homes etc.If it was my business I wouldn’t want him around and he’d be gone, an employment tribunal wouldn’t be successful either. Its a thing these days for youngsters to film things on phones for social media I think,silly boy.

Employment law is never that straight forward. many cases are lost by a company on "procedural issues"  taken by them rather than the actual merits of the case.

Don't know enough about this case to comment any further!

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Have they been prosecuted?
“ Police said when officers spoke to Prof Whitty, he had not suffered any injuries and told them at the time that he did not wish to make any allegations.
They added that the incident had been recorded as a common assault and continued to be investigated.”

I agree its “thuggish” behaviour but I think his employers may have jumped the gun.
Have they followed a fair process.

What strikes me as being very coincidental is that the pair of lads are reported to be on an anti-vaccination rally which suggests they are very anti-government/establishment so why would they want a selfie with this guy?



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Employment law is never that straight forward. many cases are lost by a company on "procedural issues"  taken by them rather than the actual merits of the case.

Don't know enough about this case to comment any further!

I'm sure there is probably some clause somewhere where it could be claimed he brought the company into disrepute

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Have they been prosecuted?
“ Police said when officers spoke to Prof Whitty, he had not suffered any injuries and told them at the time that he did not wish to make any allegations.
They added that the incident had been recorded as a common assault and continued to be investigated.”

I agree its “thuggish” behaviour but I think his employers may have jumped the gun.
Have they followed a fair process.

What strikes me as being very coincidental is that the pair of lads are reported to be on an anti-vaccination rally which suggests they are very anti-government/establishment so why would they want a selfie with this guy?

Yes and their manner in the video is offensive and intended to intimidate and humiliate IMO.

What a pair of chumps. I doubt it will come to court, but if it did their best defence may be that they are a couple of morons and should be excused on the grounds of diminished capacity.

Offline radioman33

He wouldn’t have much hope at a tribunal for this scenario:what about if a viewing was arranged at an empty property a female prospective buyer wouldn’t feel safe with an employee like him showing her around he’s a loose cannon. :scare:

Offline ronthebrummie

According to lunchtime news he`s deeply sorry, apologetic and crying he`s lost his job.

Tough shit there`s to many wankers going round doing whatever because nobody`s ever said no to them.

It`s a tough old world out there, let it be a lesson to the other silly sods out there

Offline Adoniron

They were entirely right to sack him. I can understand why they wouldn't want to be associated with that sort of behaviour. As a customer I wouldn't want a drunken thug selling my house.
Whether they followed the proper procedure is another matter, but even if they didn't he can only claim for unfair dismissal if he's worked for them for two years.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2021, 04:46:13 pm by Adoniron »

Offline Trex

His going to have a tough time looking for a new job since his name is out there now. Is any company willing to hire him?

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Depends on how long he's worked there:-

"By law, you can usually dismiss an employee with less than 2 years service without the need to demonstrate a fair reason for the dismissal, and with no positive obligation to go through a fair disciplinary or dismissal procedure."

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Have they been prosecuted?
“ Police said when officers spoke to Prof Whitty, he had not suffered any injuries and told them at the time that he did not wish to make any allegations.
They added that the incident had been recorded as a common assault and continued to be investigated.”

I agree its “thuggish” behaviour but I think his employers may have jumped the gun.
Have they followed a fair process.

What strikes me as being very coincidental is that the pair of lads are reported to be on an anti-vaccination rally which suggests they are very anti-government/establishment so why would they want a selfie with this guy?

Pretty obvious it wasn't about a selfie  :lol: That sort of behaviour is covered in most empolyment contracts FYI.
As for the police Lord knows what they actually do these days.
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Offline willie loman

if procedure was followed, thats fine, if everyone who commits a crime, loses his job, where does that take us? or is it only crimes that appear in the papers?  punishment has to be appropriate, none of us know much about this case.

Offline Taggart

I'm sure there is probably some clause somewhere where it could be claimed he brought the company into disrepute

Gross misconduct covers a lot.

Offline lostandfound

if procedure was followed, thats fine, if everyone who commits a crime, loses his job, where does that take us? or is it only crimes that appear in the papers?  punishment has to be appropriate, none of us know much about this case.

Seems pretty clear it takes us to unemployed crims.

Know everything we need to - moronic yobbo got his comeuppance.

Offline george r

This cunt deserved sacking and hopefully the other guy gets the same  :thumbsup:. Police probably taking the knee ..

Offline petermisc

if procedure was followed, thats fine, if everyone who commits a crime, loses his job, where does that take us? or is it only crimes that appear in the papers?  punishment has to be appropriate, none of us know much about this case.
Perhaps it was because he publicised his crime on social media?  If his social media also identified who he worked for, that would link his employer, bringing them into disrepute.

I wonder how those who thought it reasonable to demonstrate outside Chris Whitty's home had the tables turned on them, and had crowds of people outside their homes denouncing them as murderers?

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He was a bit of a prat

so would probably have made a good estate agent !

Offline mr.bluesky

 A pair of drunken yobs. Both deserve to loose their jobs. Apparently they had been on an anti vaccination march which proves what a pair of bell ends they are. If you don't believe  in having the vaccine then don't have it simple as that why go on some sort of march or demonstration.  What does that achieve  :unknown:
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Offline willie loman

Seems pretty clear it takes us to unemployed crims.

Know everything we need to - moronic yobbo got his comeuppance.

who will cost us money.,

Offline petermisc

who will cost us money.,
But hopefully someone else with a few more brain cells will get his job, which will save us money.

I have just read that the two attackers were desperate to keep their identities private, fearing for their safety if their identities became public.  Worried that someone might do to them as they did to Prof Witty?  If they think it is okay to behave in that way, they should expect the same in return.  Name and shame, I say.  I really don't get all this business about offenders having a right to protect their identities.

Offline v54

Reminds me of the Estate Agent who stole a bar of chocolate from a property whilst showing people around.  It just so happened that the deed was caught on webcam.  He lost his job too.

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People really do need to think about things before doing something they might regret later.

Offline The0neAnd0nly

Reminds me of the Estate Agent who stole a bar of chocolate from a property whilst showing people around.  It just so happened that the deed was caught on webcam.  He lost his job too.

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People really do need to think about things before doing something they might regret later.


Guess it could have been worse... could have been caught sniffing undies or cracking out a wank on the bed or something  :lol:

Offline Chorley

Just saw a video on FB of some pondlife shouting and harrasing Jonathan Van Tam. Absolute plebs :thumbsdown:

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What would happen if it was the other way round? Two jabs didn't get sacked.

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But hopefully someone else with a few more brain cells will get his job, which will save us money.

I have just read that the two attackers were desperate to keep their identities private, fearing for their safety if their identities became public.  Worried that someone might do to them as they did to Prof Witty?  If they think it is okay to behave in that way, they should expect the same in return.  Name and shame, I say.  I really don't get all this business about offenders having a right to protect their identities.

It never ceases to amaze me how half wits like these think its clever to post videos of themselves online breaking the law. If these two hadn't done that nobody would know their identity.

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It never ceases to amaze me how half wits like these think its clever to post videos of themselves online breaking the law. If these two hadn't done that nobody would know their identity.
Assuming it wasn't staged. We've seen it all before.

Offline radioman33

I just heard on radio been charged with assault,good thing to come out of this is that others will think twice about acting like utter wankers with their camera phones around others

Offline Blackpool Rock

What would happen if it was the other way round? Two jabs didn't get sacked.
I never liked Prescott until that incident when he went up in my estimation, I was glad to see him have a go back and defend himself  :thumbsup:

Don't think there was any ever chance of him being sacked though as it would have been claimed as self defence plus he was just following orders, apparently Tony had told him to go out and connect with the electorate  :rolleyes:  :hi:

Offline Blackpool Rock

I just heard on radio been charged with assault,good thing to come out of this is that others will think twice about acting like utter wankers with their camera phones around others
I think sometimes the police can bring the charges even if the victim doesn't want to, in this case it would mean that Witty isn't seen as being party to it but it also hopefully helps to dissuade other pricks from doing similar  :thumbsup:

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What would happen if it was the other way round? Two jabs didn't get sacked.

Seems it has happened.

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As for Prescott I agree with BR - and being himself attacked seems like pretty good mitigation to me.

Offline l4at

His behaviour is in line with what I think of all Estate Agents - complete and utter cunt.

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His behaviour is in line with what I think of all Estate Agents - complete and utter cunt.

I think that estate agents more reflect the publicke they serve;!....

Offline Chorley

His behaviour is in line with what I think of all Estate Agents - complete and utter cunt.
Absolutely! By and large they're a bunch of pretentious, dishonest wankers who need  a good slap.

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I think he has been charged with common assault, one of the wankers has anyway. Surely video evidence is enough to convict?
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I think he has been charged with common assault, one of the wankers has anyway. Surely video evidence is enough to convict?
It's enough for an arrest, but for a conviction it needs to go to court.

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It's enough for an arrest, but for a conviction it needs to go to court.

Lol, every case needs to go to court, but surely a video of the crime is enough to convict without a victim statement, or what is the point of all the cctv spying on us?
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Lol, every case needs to go to court, but surely a video of the crime is enough to convict without a victim statement, or what is the point of all the cctv spying on us?
Without a victim statement there is no crime.

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Without a victim statement there is no crime.

then you could get away with murder ?   :lol: :lol:

Offline radioman33

24 hours in police custody is a great programme and the importance of cctv and forensics is what gets convictions.Will Chris witty do a statement?

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then you could get away with murder ?   :lol: :lol:
Nobody was murdered, we are talking about one specific incident of common assault.

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There is some confusion over nomenclature here between a witness and victim statement.

A witness statement may or may not be required to secure a conviction dependent on other evidence. It will nearly always make a case stronger.

A victim statement may be made to influence sentencing and is at the choice of the individual. It is not related to the conviction but only comes into play following a guilty plea or verdict.

Finally if the victim says he does not wish the case to be prosecuted the Police and CPS may still decide to proceed if they think it in the public's best interest but will be mindful of the victims wishes in taking that decision.


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If you know the case is dropped or it goes nowhere you know it is bollocks. Looks like another Count Dankula, Tommy Robinson to me.

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Without a victim statement there is no crime.

That's wrong victim statements are given during sentencing post conviction.
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That's wrong victim statements are given during sentencing post conviction.
As per the Doc's response above.

The CPS have decided to take the case to court, despite the victim not wanting to press charges, so presumably they have decided it is in the public interest that charges should be brought to deter others, and they have sufficient evidence to make a conviction likely.  The accused have more or less publicly admitted it anyway, so may well just plead guilty.  Although Chris Whitty did not want to press charges, that does not necessarily mean that he would refuse to provide either a witness statement or victim statement should it come to court.

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As per the Doc's response above.

The CPS have decided to take the case to court, despite the victim not wanting to press charges, so presumably they have decided it is in the public interest that charges should be brought to deter others, and they have sufficient evidence to make a conviction likely.  The accused have more or less publicly admitted it anyway, so may well just plead guilty.  Although Chris Whitty did not want to press charges, that does not necessarily mean that he would refuse to provide either a witness statement or victim statement should it come to court.

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Offline Adoniron

As per the Doc's response above.

The CPS have decided to take the case to court, despite the victim not wanting to press charges, so presumably they have decided it is in the public interest that charges should be brought to deter others, and they have sufficient evidence to make a conviction likely.  The accused have more or less publicly admitted it anyway, so may well just plead guilty.  Although Chris Whitty did not want to press charges, that does not necessarily mean that he would refuse to provide either a witness statement or victim statement should it come to court.

I honestly can't see them pleading not guilty when the evidence is there on film. Common assault is a fairly minor offence. Plead  guilty and get a fine, maybe even a conditional discharge

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That's wrong victim statements are given during sentencing post conviction.
OK OK then just for the pedantic amongst us I'll explain it in words of as few syllables as possible.

Man accosted in park, man = victim, victim doesn't make statement = no crime.  Man makes statement to police saying he has been assaulted = crime to be investigated. Therefore no statement no crime.

Do you understand it now or do you need further explanations.  :unknown:

Disclaimer - I am only referring to the incident being discussed in this thread.

What you are referring to is a Victim Personal Statement, a totally different thing.

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As per the Doc's response above.

The CPS have decided to take the case to court, despite the victim not wanting to press charges, so presumably they have decided it is in the public interest that charges should be brought to deter others, and they have sufficient evidence to make a conviction likely.  The accused have more or less publicly admitted it anyway, so may well just plead guilty.  Although Chris Whitty did not want to press charges, that does not necessarily mean that he would refuse to provide either a witness statement or victim statement should it come to court.

To me it does seem a bit of overkill to take it to court. If it is in the public interest to convict 'crimes' like this, the Courts would be overflowing after every Saturday night. A fixed penalty fine at the very most would be far more appropriate.
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OK OK then just for the pedantic amongst us I'll explain it in words of as few syllables as possible.

Man accosted in park, man = victim, victim doesn't make statement = no crime.  Man makes statement to police saying he has been assaulted = crime to be investigated. Therefore no statement no crime.


Sorry Davie but I'm feeling pedantic.  ;) I understand what you are saying but 'statement' is still not the correct terminology.

A crime initially needs 'reporting' by someone and the Police will decide whether to investigate or not. (In the case of GMP it seems that has not been happening when they claim it has !!) This reporting may be anonymous.

A statement is a much more formal police procedure which once given becomes evidence and can be presented at court. People should think long and hard before agreeing to give and signing a statement. The Police will often present it as 'just procedure' but you need to be aware you may end up attending court in person somewhere down the line ... and in some rare instances forced to do so.




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To me it does seem a bit of overkill to take it to court. If it is in the public interest to convict 'crimes' like this, the Courts would be overflowing after every Saturday night. A fixed penalty fine at the very most would be far more appropriate.

I'm not sure which fixed penalty offence would cover this?

It may be overkill but there has to be consequences in life for our actions. There frequently are no consequences these days.

I also think the majority of Joe Public are supportive of action being taken as evidenced by comments in this thread.