Murder investigation.

[scutty brown]

Agreed. The situation in Northern Ireland was unprecedented and if the British Army hadn't been there to protect the RUC officers goodness knows how much more bloodshed would've occurred?  It's never going to happen in the mainland though.

Believe it or not it HAS happened on a limited scale. Some of the armed manhunts have used military personnel, both armed marksmen and for airborne surveillance. The military have a small fleet of Islanders used for domestic mobile phone intercepts.

On other occasions military police have been seconded to the civilian force. One that sticks in the memory was in Portsmouth 30 or so years ago when the Naval police were called in to suppress a major violence outbreak - possibly a football game??
Military police have full police powers

[Chorley]

Believe it or not it HAS happened on a limited scale. Some of the armed manhunts have used military personnel, both armed marksmen and for airborne surveillance. The military have a small fleet of Islanders used for domestic mobile phone intercepts.

On other occasions military police have been seconded to the civilian force. One that sticks in the memory was in Portsmouth 30 or so years ago when the Naval police were called in to suppress a major violence outbreak - possibly a football game??
Military police have full police powers

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. 

[Jimmyredcab]

He doesn't care what you think, God decided he'd be monarch so that's that.

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

[king tarzan]

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

Diplomatically saying everyone has there on personal opinions on that, and should be kept secretive..

Simpletto

[Jimmyredcab]

Diplomatically saying everyone has there on personal opinions on that, and should be kept secretive..

Simpletto

Yes, and I have given my opinion, if that’s OK. 

[Doc Holliday]

Yes, and I have given my opinion, if that’s OK. 

Apart from being against the rules (no religion) yes it's fine. 

[king tarzan]

Yes, and I have given my opinion, if that’s OK. 

Of course jimmo.. feel free SIMPLETTO

[Jimmyredcab]

Apart from being against the rules (no religion) yes it's fine.

Mh brought God into it, not me. 

[dubs]

Look guys... while the murder of Sarah was abhorrent and tragic, and the subsequent protests about women's safety are fully justified, let's not forget who the real victims are in this whole situation...

Steak and a Blow Job day passed by without a single mention.

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[Doc Holliday]

Mh brought God into it, not me. 

True he mentioned God but he didn't give this opinion on religious beliefs.

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

[finn5555]

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

Treading on thin ice as usual discussing religion is banned 

And typically from you if someone makes a comment about something you don’t believe in or believe to be true you insult them 

[Bogof60]

Another interesting perspective from a polcie facebook group "I debated for hours whether to post this or not.......
I've read lots of tweets and posts over the last week, and especially in the last 24 hours which have made me angry, sad, furious, shocked, mortified, confused, and just plain pissed off.
As ever the police are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Don't enforce the law = massively criticised / hammered in the media.
Do enforce the law = massively criticised / hammered in the media.
Ask yourself what are they supposed to do? Coronavirus legislation is what it is, we are still in the middle of a global pandemic, and 10's of thousands of people have died as a result, directly or indirectly depending on which view you take of Covid.
But the fact is the rules are laid out, as per the wishes of the government. And they are there ultimately to attempt to keep us safe. The task of enforcing these laws (as always) falls to the police, along with everything else they've got to do.
So again, what are they supposed to do? Enforce the law, or don't enforce the law. They will be hammered either way. Can't win.
What happened to Sarah Everard was utterly horrific. And it goes without saying i completely understand the strength of feeling towards the case and the issues raised. The sad reality is what we all saw last night was the blatant hijack of a vigil (which had been rightly told not to go ahead and backed by the courts) by activists, anti-police agitators, opportunists with ulterior motives and those hell bent on causing a disturbance. All under the ever present camera lenses of those with other agendas.
Spraying "All Coppers Are Bastards" on a police van is not supporting Sarah's family.
Shouting "No justice, no peace" is not supporting Sarah's family.
Holding up "Defund the Police" banners is not supporting Sarah's family.
Unfortunately a reaction was sought by some, a reaction was had (through the clear disregard of the law, public safety, call it what you will), and the aftermath perfectly timed and captured for the media to lap up and farm out.
I know who WAS supporting Sarah's family though. The police family liason officer's, sticking by them throughout the most awful time of their entire life.
The investigation team which has worked and IS working tirelessly to put the person responsible for this horrific act behind bars.
And let it be said right now, if it even needed saying: NOBODY HATES BAD COPS AS MUCH AS GOOD COPS.
They go against every oath we hold dear. They ARE NOT us.
Last night could have been and should have been a huge outpouring of support for Sarah, with doorstep candlelit vigils across the country in scenes like we saw with "clap for our NHS heroes" albeit an unbelievably sad reason on this occasion.
But in all the noise and smoke, the real message and the real show of support has been lost, as we woke up to celebrities, government officials and the *media lambasting the police.
*The utterly poisonous mainstream media quite literally, day in day out, wake up with the seemingly sole intention of dividing people, and causing hate.
In any way they can, they sow the seeds of hate between us, whether it be race, religion, gender, anything. Because it generates clicks, and in turn money.
We're at a point now where the police are always seen as the villain.  My inbox has been pinging away with calls of "murderers" and "scum". We're so quick to forget names like Wayne Marques, Ian Dibell, David Whyte, Keith Palmer, Nicola Hughes, Fiona Bone, Stephen Oake, Sharon Beshenivsky and many others. Who risked everything and in some cases gave everything to try and keep us safe.
I don't know where this all ends up. I don't even know why i wrote this. Maybe i'm just sick and tired of hearing the one sided narrative, and want to try and give a voice to the "silent" majority.
Don't get me wrong, we are NOT perfect, never claimed to be. We're only human and can / will make mistakes, it would be hugely naive to think otherwise. But we're not the enemy.
I guess i'll sign off by saying this is only my opinion. I'm not speaking on behalf of the police, although in amongst the handful of likes and comments it will inevitably get, i just hope the message gets through."

Thank you for that Micahel

And thanks to you and your colleagues for trying to do a damn near impossible job and by and large doing it well

[sparkus]

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

Then who appointed the Queen?

[billybobsmith]

Why is it these "protests", generally in that London, seem to be completely immune to any Covid laws or regulations?
Does this mean Glastonbury could have happened this year as long as they called it a "protest"? (always someone there with some WOKE or Hippie type agenda anyway)
If I have 50 mates round to my back garden, where we all decide to raise a toast to someone, that's fine as it's our way of protesting or showing solidarity?

[badsin]

An officer from the Met currently being interviewed on talkradio. He confirms known agitators where at Saturdays vigil, who were recognised within the crowd

[Xtro]

.......The council replaced the old lamppost lights to LED ones which are more energy efficient (saving them huge sums of money) but they also have an additional benefit in that it is clearer, covers a wider area thereby eliminating dimly lit areas.

Fantastic. You can look forward to a reduction on your Council Tax bill!   

[king tarzan]

Fantastic. You can look forward to a reduction on your Council Tax bill!   

My council tax increased by best £300
Bastards

[mh]

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

Sorry that my sarcastic tone wasn't strong enough.

[chrishornx]

Yes, and I have given my opinion, if that’s OK. 

do you agree with KT or not?

[chrishornx]

Sorry that my sarcastic tone wasn't strong enough.

shape up MH some out there need more obvious sarcasm !!

[mh]

The council replaced the old lamppost lights to LED ones which are more energy efficient (saving them huge sums of money) but they also have an additional benefit in that it is clearer, covers a wider area thereby eliminating dimly lit areas.

I'm sure current LED ones are better, but it reminds me of when I was a student and a candidate for womens' officer in the students' union election campaigned for replacement of the orange lights with bright white ones. Her opponent pointed out to her that while the bright white ones lit the immediate area better, the actual reach was half of the orange ones so it would be less safe with long unlit stretches...

[billybobsmith]

I'm sure current LED ones are better, but it reminds me of when I was a student and a candidate for womens' officer in the students' union election campaigned for replacement of the orange lights with bright white ones. Her opponent pointed out to her that while the bright white ones lit the immediate area better, the actual reach was half of the orange ones so it would be less safe with long unlit stretches...

All the lampposts in my town are now about 10x dimmer than they originally were, so large areas are considerably harder to see in at night.

[The_Don]

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16p for the mirror back in 1993?

It 90p in 2021

[winkywanky]

There is no God, if you think there is then you are not that bright.   

Treading on thin ice as usual discussing religion is banned 

And typically from you if someone makes a comment about something you don’t believe in or believe to be true you insult them 

A far greater measure of 'intelligence' than whether or not you believe in a Divine Being, is stuff you post on UKP.

For example some people are incredibly vociferous, yet they demonstrably talk shit, and then simply ignore the evidence of such when it is clearly presented to them.

Such people are known as gobshites 

[David1970]

 

16p for the mirror back in 1993?

It 90p in 2021

Seems even shit is effected by inflation 

[Jimmyredcab]

Treading on thin ice as usual discussing religion is banned 

When you get moderatot status I will be gone, that's a promise.   

[Jimmyredcab]

Looks like Ms Stevenson has backed out of the planned demonstration, probably worried that she could face a £10,000 fine. 



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[Kev40ish]

Looks like Ms Stevenson has backed out of the planned demonstration, probably worried that she could face a £10,000 fine. 



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Probably busy planning her next career move..
Actor  Presenter  Model  Dancer  Entertainer  Extra. I am amazed she has time to get out to demonstrate 

[Markus]

Fantastic. You can look forward to a reduction on your Council Tax bill!   

No chance.

[king tarzan]

do you agree with KT or not?

Each to there own👍

[finn5555]

When you get moderatot status I will be gone, that's a promise.   

Oh don’t worry I have no ambitions of becoming a moderator policing people like you would be utterly tiresome 

[finn5555]

Probably busy planning her next career move..
Actor  Presenter  Model  Dancer  Entertainer  Extra. I am amazed she has time to get out to demonstrate 

If she became a prossie she could deep throat 

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[King Nuts]

Probably busy planning her next career move..
Actor  Presenter  Model  Dancer  Entertainer  Extra. I am amazed she has time to get out to demonstrate 

In the old days, we just called them AMWs.

(actress/model/whatever)

[Xtro]

 

16p for the mirror back in 1993?

It 90p in 2021

That's what I love about you Don.... The attention to detail and reading through the headlines!   

[king tarzan]

If she became a prossie she could deep throat 

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When she was by the stand, the policeman was next to her and saying something.
Her body language showed she was completely ignoring him as if he didn't exist..
Then he took her away...

If these women activists had there way the police would be inundated with petty tedious pathetic complaints thousands upon thousands of pointless nonsense everyday...

[Jimmyredcab]

The "peaceful vigil" for Sarah ended up with 26 police officers being assaulted, yet only 4 arrests, hardly draconian policing. 

[mh]

26 police officers being assaulted

If they hadn't gone out then they would not have put themselves in danger. They were clearly asking for it. The way they dressed was provocative.

[Jimmyredcab]

If they hadn't gone out then they would not have put themselves in danger. They were clearly asking for it. The way they dressed was provocative.

Yet more bollocks.   

[Chorley]

When she was by the stand, the policeman was next to her and saying something.
Her body language showed she was completely ignoring him as if he didn't exist..
Then he took her away...

If these women activists had there way the police would be inundated with petty tedious pathetic complaints thousands upon thousands of pointless nonsense everyday...

An acquaintance of mine is in the Met Police, and until recently was part of the Territorial Support Group, who have  reputation of being rather "robust" and "no nonsense" shall we say. 
 However, when he told me some of the jobs he has to attend and some of the absolute animals him and his unit have to deal with on a daily basis of course there going to get complaints.
When you've got a baying mob chucking scaffolding and bricks at you, or a gang of yardies waving  machetes around because you've raided their cannabis farm then you need to be prepared to get stuck in, crack heads and sort the paperwork later. 

[finn5555]

Yet more bollocks.   

He was taking the piss, of course due to your lack of intelligence you wouldn't see that   

[Jimmyredcab]

He was taking the piss.

He was being sarcastic as normal, we have lots of past history.   

[mh]

Yet more bollocks.   

Glad we agree that victim blaming is completely ridiculous. 

[Jimmyredcab]

Harriet Harman wants to make kerb-crawling a criminal offence, I thought it already was.   



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[Doc Holliday]

Harriet Harman wants to make kerb-crawling a criminal offence, I thought it already was.   

Currently only in relation to street prostitution. She is presumably talking about kerb crawling in relation to following members of the general public?

[David1970]

Harriet Harman wants to make kerb-crawling a criminal offence, I thought it already was.   



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Harriet Harman the millionaire socialist, who defended the Peadophile Information Exchange (PIE) right to exchange information on what children they abused on the bases of civil liberties. She is self righteous and not taken seriously by most people.

[cotton]

Harriet Harman wants to make kerb-crawling a criminal offence, I thought it already was.   
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Harriet Harman thinks all prostitution is exploitation and advocates all men paying for sex should be guilty of a criminal offence.
Coming for kerb crawlers is just the tip of the iceberg 

[Jimmyredcab]

The demonstration in Central London on Monday 15th March, so much for social distancing. 



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Found this from one of her friends, interesting and very sensible.

Media exploiting "Missing White Woman Syndrome" and the whole thing becoming a lightning rod for angry feminists.

(apologies if its already been posted)

[Jimmy83]

Perhaps I'm being an idiot but are there even that many protests in the UK? This isn't America where a black person gets killed every second.

Plus, I doubt they're gonna arrest or even fine 1000+ people. That would involve a court, a jury, a judge, a defense lawyer for each person and all of that costs money.

Also, isn't the whole point of a protest to, well, protest something? You don't like something the government is doing so you oppose it.

The argument they used is that the law hadn't been updated since the 1980s and that it was outdated. In the grand scheme of things, 40 years isn't that long ago. I can't really think of what particular technologies we have now that we didn't have then that would make protests more "disruptive".

[David1970]

My council tax increased by best £300
Bastards

My council tax frozen