Murder investigation.

[Chorley]

Armed forces only ever used in North of Ireland in support of the police to deal with terrorism. Not a chance of them being used in public order events on the mainland, you are deluded if you think otherwise.

Agreed. The situation in Northern Ireland was unprecedented and if the British Army hadn't been there to protect the RUC officers goodness knows how much more bloodshed would've occurred?  It's never going to happen in the mainland though.

[David1970]

What I find disturbing is that the Mayor and the Home Secretary have not supported their police officers for upholding the law.

Agree with you Jimmy, the demonstration was illegal as all demonstrations during the pandemic, end off

[chrishornx]

I could be mother Theresa or Charles Bronson but I still gave my opinion on a moronic police force who didn't follow the example set by Nottingham Police.

have you been on the pop?

[king tarzan]

You seem to be making some strange comments?

Could be drunk or high on drugs???

[sparkus]

You really need to do a bit of research before posting bollocks.

Google ———-   “Dale Farm evictions”.



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There was a documentary on it recently, 10 years on.  All the travellers are still there, living adjacently, the land is now in a shit state.

All because the council had to police the absurd green belt which circles London (it doesn't look particularly green and pleasant there).

[chrishornx]

Could be drunk or high on drugs???

maybe both KT

[David1970]

I am like Piers, I have opinions. 

So if you are like Piers, piss off

[Kev40ish]

I could say the same about a few others....

I’m not asking them 

[chrishornx]

 

So if you are like Piers, piss off

 

[finn5555]

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[martini2429]

Armed forces only ever used in North of Ireland in support of the police to deal with terrorism. Not a chance of them being used in public order events on the mainland, you are deluded if you think otherwise.

I didn't say they would, I said imagine if they were.  But who was it that was ordered in when the Firemen and Prison Officers went on strike in the late 70's/Early 80's 

 

[sparkus]

Agreed. The situation in Northern Ireland was unprecedented and if the British Army hadn't been there to protect the RUC officers goodness knows how much more bloodshed would've occurred?  It's never going to happen in the mainland though.

The army were deployed to handle security at London 2012 when G4S fucked up.

There were calls to send in the troops when it became obvious the police couldn't stop the riots in 2011 (of which I got a flat window view of the burning cars) as so many plod were on leave abroad.

[chrishornx]

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Interesting data, to those who are interested, but why are 2 names highlighted in red Finn?

[finn5555]

Interesting data, to those who are interested, but why are 2 names highlighted in red Finn?

Got no idea it was posted on Twitter 

[David1970]

I didn't say they would, I said imagine if they were.  But who was it that was ordered in when the Firemen and Prison Officers went on strike in the late 70's/Early 80's 

 

Firemen and Prison Offices was not public order, or don’t you know the difference.
You have your little fantasies about the armed forces, but don’t expect others to take them seriously.

[David1970]

The army were deployed to handle security at London 2012 when G4S fucked up.

There were calls to send in the troops when it became obvious the police couldn't stop the riots in 2011 (of which I got a flat window view of the burning cars) as so many plod were on leave abroad.

The Olympic Games were not a public order situation

[Jimmyredcab]

I didn't say they would, I said imagine if they were.  But who was it that was ordered in when the Firemen and Prison Officers went on strike in the late 70's/Early 80's 

 

The military are used for many things such as flooding disasters or building the Nightingale hospitals, that is accepted by the public, they would never accept the Army being used for direct policing.

Their roll at the London Olympics was more security than policing.

[David1970]

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Finn who is Outlaw.Ltd the source of the information you posted?

[Jimmyredcab]

Got no idea it was posted on Twitter 

It must be right then if it was on Twitter.     

[martini2429]

The Olympic Games were not a public order situation

but you said - Armed forces only ever used in North of Ireland in support of the police to deal with terrorism.  And it's Northern Ireland not North of Ireland, that would be Co Leitrim, Co Monaghan, Co Caven, Co Louth & Co Donegal

 

[lamboman]

Finn who is Outlaw.Ltd the source of the information you posted?

He's a twat.

[Chorley]

The army were deployed to handle security at London 2012 when G4S fucked up.

There were calls to send in the troops when it became obvious the police couldn't stop the riots in 2011 (of which I got a flat window view of the burning cars) as so many plod were on leave abroad.

If my memory serves me correctly there was a high absence of Territorial Support Group officers-the unit The Met uses for public order- for some reason, so they had to rely on coppers who weren't really experienced  with dickheads lobbing petrol bombs, bricks and scaffolding at them.

[David1970]

but you said - Armed forces only ever used in North of Ireland in support of the police to deal with terrorism.  And it's Northern Ireland not North of Ireland, that would be Co Leitrim, Co Monaghan, Co Caven, Co Louth & Co Donegal

 

I wrote “ Not a chance of them being used in public order events on the mainland, you are deluded if you think otherwise” and you have proved you are deluded.

Armed forces only ever used in North of Ireland in support of the police to deal with terrorism. Not a chance of them being used in public order events on the mainland, you are deluded if you think otherwise.

The 6 counties are in the north of Ireland, that is where the British armed forces supported the police in counter terrorism. Have a look on a map, if you know how to do that. 

[martini2429]

I wrote “ Not a chance of them being used in public order events on the mainland, you are deluded if you think otherwise” and you have proved you are deluded.

Northern Ireland, that is where the British armed forces supported the police in counter terrorism.

Corrected for you 

[David1970]

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Just googled your source Outlaw.ltd, not what I would call a credible source.

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[sparkus]

If my memory serves me correctly there was a high absence of Territorial Support Group officers-the unit The Met uses for public order- for some reason, so they had to rely on coppers who weren't really experienced  with dickheads lobbing petrol bombs, bricks and scaffolding at them.

For some reason being it was August and they were all on hols.

It was weird to be stood outside a Tottenham pub one night with a 'Heddlu' van brought in from Wales keeping watch.

[David1970]

Corrected for you 

Your correcting me is like the school idiot correcting the classes homework

I think you are better sticking to your fantasies of men in uniform

[David1970]

Can you imagine if I did a review on a punting site 

 

Just corrected it for you

[NIK]

This is now taking a weird and sinister turn. BBC Radio News is giving full vent to those who are now intent on turning this incident into a campaign. And like all similar campaigns, like eradicating climate change, eradicating poverty, the pursuit of 'equality' and all the rest of it, it has no real discernible, let alone achievable goal.

One well-spoken and obviously time-rich lunatic said that every time a woman is murdered, all men in the UK should be under a 24-hour curfew. Wonder if that includes coppers, delivery drivers, A and E doctors, coastguards, prison officers, pilots, train drivers and so on?

This is what happens when as a country, you start caving to every grievance-obsessed idiot.

What about trannies? Would they be allowed out in this brave new world? 

[sanchez]

Footage from inside the bandstand is quite interesting and tells a different story to the one of heavy handed police brutality.

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At about 1:53:20 a police officer comes and asks them to disband as no one is adhering to social distancing.

He goes back at 2:03:00 to inform them again that they will be moved on only to be confronted by a torrent of abuse. Even a couple of antifa hoodies I’m the crowd for good measure.

None of this will be on the front pages or headline news of course.

[finn5555]

It must be right then if it was on Twitter.     

Did I say it was right 

[finn5555]

Just googled your source Outlaw.ltd, not what I would call a credible source.

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Wasn’t my source I told you I got it of Twitter

[David1970]

Footage from inside the bandstand is quite interesting and tells a different story to the one of heavy handed police brutality.

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At about 1:53:20 a police officer comes and asks them to disband as no one is adhering to social distancing.

He goes back at 2:03:00 to inform them again that they will be moved on only to be confronted by a torrent of abuse. Even a couple of antifa hoodies I’m the crowd for good measure.

None of this will be on the front pages or headline news of course.

The cop kept his cool, they shouldn’t be there as he says they are breaking the law.

When do the antics hoodies pop up?

[Matrix]

What about trannies? Would they be allowed out in this brave new world? 

I made that point to a friend, earlier.

If I simply say I'm a woman then they have to believe me, right?

[sanchez]

The cop kept his cool, they shouldn’t be there as he says they are breaking the law.

When do the antics hoodies pop up?

Someone posted in the time stamp in one of comments. It’s one of top comments. I can’t remember but even the cameraman (who did a great job even though the quality was a bit shit) he zooms in and picks it out. It’s such a shame how all this has become so politicised and hijacked by some.

Looking at the footage the idea that everyone was socially distancing before the police turned up goes straight out of the window.

Strange times we’re living in.

[chrishornx]

Did I say it was right 

No you didn't

[David1970]

Someone posted in the time stamp in one of comments. It’s one of top comments. I can’t remember but even the cameraman (who did a great job even though the quality was a bit shit) he zooms in and picks it out. It’s such a shame how all this has become so politicised and hijacked by some.

Looking at the footage the idea that everyone was socially distancing before the police turned up goes straight out of the window.

Strange times we’re living in.

Could only find one comment by someone and no one else back him up. Not what I would call a credible source.

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[sanchez]

Could only find one comment by someone and no one else back him up. Not what I would call a credible source.

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About the 3:10:05 mark.

[David1970]

About the 3:10:05 mark.

Thanks

[David1970]

Footage from inside the bandstand is quite interesting and tells a different story to the one of heavy handed police brutality.

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At about 1:53:20 a police officer comes and asks them to disband as no one is adhering to social distancing.

He goes back at 2:03:00 to inform them again that they will be moved on only to be confronted by a torrent of abuse. Even a couple of antifa hoodies I’m the crowd for good measure.

None of this will be on the front pages or headline news of course.

Seems to be one person wearing a ANTIFA top standing doing nothing but watching.

[Yankee21]

I didn't say they would, I said imagine if they were.  But who was it that was ordered in when the Firemen and Prison Officers went on strike in the late 70's/Early 80's 

 

Armed forces ave on several occasions helped Prison Service with issues inside HM prisons.

You just don't read or hear about it much.

[king tarzan]

Armed forces ave on several occasions helped Prison Service with issues inside HM prisons.

You just don't read or hear about it much.

And i hope the Armed forces were very violent too!!!

[David1970]

Looks like the Dutch know how to deal with illegal demonstrators


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[king tarzan]

Looks like the Dutch know how to deal with illegal demonstrators


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One of the biggest drawbacks in UK becoming a criminals laughing stock is that our government does not authorise our police force to use violence or lethal force very frequently

[Michael48]

Got no idea it was posted on Twitter 

So you have no idea whether any/all of this is true/false, but choose to share it regardless.

[Michael48]

And i hope the Armed forces were very violent too!!!

As a student I woked in nightclubs in Plymouth. On a normal Saturday night the local constabulary and the MP's patrolled "the strip". Any armed forces personnel who misbehaved hoped to be lifted by local constabulary rather than MP's, the MP's wouldn't lift civilians but would assist plod . On one Saturday night there was a riot at Dartmoor Prison, the local police were all called in to quell the riot and the town was policed by the MP's, quietest Saturday night in terms of drunks, bad behaviour etc I saw in my time working on "the strip"

[finn5555]

So you have no idea whether any/all of this is true/false, but choose to share it regardless.

Exactly it’s open to debate or you got an issue with that 

[mh]

Once again, totally wrong.
Under emergency laws demonstrations are not allowed and organising one can get you a £10,000 fine.

I'm afraid you are the one who is totally wrong. The judge ruled on Friday in this case that the planned demonstration was not automatically unlawful and the organisers and police should work to arrange a safe vigil. The police then put out a press release saying there was no safe option, while they were still in talks with the organisers! The organisers reluctantly called off the vigil but we all know what happened then. A vigil with no plan or marshals (because had anyone tried to organise it they'd have been fined £10k).

[Michael48]

Footage from inside the bandstand is quite interesting and tells a different story to the one of heavy handed police brutality.

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At about 1:53:20 a police officer comes and asks them to disband as no one is adhering to social distancing.

He goes back at 2:03:00 to inform them again that they will be moved on only to be confronted by a torrent of abuse. Even a couple of antifa hoodies I’m the crowd for good measure.

None of this will be on the front pages or headline news of course.

Another interesting perspective from a polcie facebook group "I debated for hours whether to post this or not.......
I've read lots of tweets and posts over the last week, and especially in the last 24 hours which have made me angry, sad, furious, shocked, mortified, confused, and just plain pissed off.
As ever the police are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Don't enforce the law = massively criticised / hammered in the media.
Do enforce the law = massively criticised / hammered in the media.
Ask yourself what are they supposed to do? Coronavirus legislation is what it is, we are still in the middle of a global pandemic, and 10's of thousands of people have died as a result, directly or indirectly depending on which view you take of Covid.
But the fact is the rules are laid out, as per the wishes of the government. And they are there ultimately to attempt to keep us safe. The task of enforcing these laws (as always) falls to the police, along with everything else they've got to do.
So again, what are they supposed to do? Enforce the law, or don't enforce the law. They will be hammered either way. Can't win.
What happened to Sarah Everard was utterly horrific. And it goes without saying i completely understand the strength of feeling towards the case and the issues raised. The sad reality is what we all saw last night was the blatant hijack of a vigil (which had been rightly told not to go ahead and backed by the courts) by activists, anti-police agitators, opportunists with ulterior motives and those hell bent on causing a disturbance. All under the ever present camera lenses of those with other agendas.
Spraying "All Coppers Are Bastards" on a police van is not supporting Sarah's family.
Shouting "No justice, no peace" is not supporting Sarah's family.
Holding up "Defund the Police" banners is not supporting Sarah's family.
Unfortunately a reaction was sought by some, a reaction was had (through the clear disregard of the law, public safety, call it what you will), and the aftermath perfectly timed and captured for the media to lap up and farm out.
I know who WAS supporting Sarah's family though. The police family liason officer's, sticking by them throughout the most awful time of their entire life.
The investigation team which has worked and IS working tirelessly to put the person responsible for this horrific act behind bars.
And let it be said right now, if it even needed saying: NOBODY HATES BAD COPS AS MUCH AS GOOD COPS.
They go against every oath we hold dear. They ARE NOT us.
Last night could have been and should have been a huge outpouring of support for Sarah, with doorstep candlelit vigils across the country in scenes like we saw with "clap for our NHS heroes" albeit an unbelievably sad reason on this occasion.
But in all the noise and smoke, the real message and the real show of support has been lost, as we woke up to celebrities, government officials and the *media lambasting the police.
*The utterly poisonous mainstream media quite literally, day in day out, wake up with the seemingly sole intention of dividing people, and causing hate.
In any way they can, they sow the seeds of hate between us, whether it be race, religion, gender, anything. Because it generates clicks, and in turn money.
We're at a point now where the police are always seen as the villain.  My inbox has been pinging away with calls of "murderers" and "scum". We're so quick to forget names like Wayne Marques, Ian Dibell, David Whyte, Keith Palmer, Nicola Hughes, Fiona Bone, Stephen Oake, Sharon Beshenivsky and many others. Who risked everything and in some cases gave everything to try and keep us safe.
I don't know where this all ends up. I don't even know why i wrote this. Maybe i'm just sick and tired of hearing the one sided narrative, and want to try and give a voice to the "silent" majority.
Don't get me wrong, we are NOT perfect, never claimed to be. We're only human and can / will make mistakes, it would be hugely naive to think otherwise. But we're not the enemy.
I guess i'll sign off by saying this is only my opinion. I'm not speaking on behalf of the police, although in amongst the handful of likes and comments it will inevitably get, i just hope the message gets through."

[mh]

Not the entire Royal Family, not too keen on Charles.     

He doesn't care what you think, God decided he'd be monarch so that's that.