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Offline smiths

Pretty negative points!

Of course everyone punts for themselves but there is a real incentive to try and reduce/moderate prices for all of us. As in any walk of life when selling something, those selling want the best return and those buying want to pay less and a variety of factors come into play to set rates including reviews and the belief that a number of punters here are honest.

Tontober has worked previously and there are other examples of punters working together as well.

I also know from my experience this site has made me much more aware of what value is and what a fair going rate is to pay wg's as well as service etc.

Power to the punters  :D

What you see as negative I see as being the real punting world outside UKP. I said Tontober is a good idea and I have and still praise Cueball and TCM who brought it up as a concept. :thumbsup: My overall point is in London anyway and in my area of it specifically I know how the market works, I have been punting in it for over 35 years. It wont be changed by punters on here. If some choose to think it will thats up to them. There are far too many punters who wont know about UKP, far too many foreign punters here on business, far too many who punt through agencies some of whom have been going for years which tells me they get punters even at the ridiculous to me prices they charge.

What actually often happens is a WG gets a number of positive reviews on here and then in my experience often then becomes much harder to book as suits me, and some then put their prices up to cash in while they can. All great for the WG concerned, terrible for me. As 1 example, Ameera who I punted with early on in her getting reviews on UKP was easy to book initially as suited me, a number of reviews later she was virtually impossible to book to suit me. And she was never a regular of mine so when she put her prices up a while later I would of had to pay them which I decided not to do. She cashed in big time off the back of UKP as did Michelle Independent who for a long time when based in Chingford area was £100 an hour, some reviews later her prices went up and she moved to Kensington area when in London, or at least that was where she worked from for a while, at £20-40 an hour more.

So the reality in my observations is getting positive reviews can be amazing for a WGs business but not for me. Which is why I may only now do a positive review once I have had the fill of a WG so wont be returning. And another thing with some of these forum darling WGs is they also start demanding punters jump through their hoops having to have A/W feedback for instance. Not a game I play, I am after a punt NOT going for a job interview. :rolleyes:

So good for the idealists on here to post their views, I shall stick to the realism of what I know from experience. And in practice in my case I often punt at or around the £100-120 an hour mark, I will pay more dependent on the WG but have often paid less. Certainly prices in my area have gone up on average in the last couple of years no doubt about that. EE WGs who were £60-90 an hour before may be £100-120 or more an hour now.
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Offline smiths

I am curious why do you ask for a deposit, and how do they pay you? assume by bank transfer

Its a punting basic to me, NEVER EVER pay a WG a deposit under any circumstances, its obvious to me, clearly enough punters do pay deposits though or WGs like Rochelle wouldn't be getting ANY punters.

Punting is and always has been for me a pay the WG on the day in person pastime and that wont be changing anytime soon.

Offline Home Alone

The tipping point certainly comes when a client's 'regular' puts up her prices. When that happens to me I truly have to think very hard and often am driven to decide to seek different SPs who provide for my needs at lower prices.
The savvy women keep regular clients on their existing terms (unless of course they want rid of them).
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The non savvy woman can't for the life of her remember what she last charged a particular regular so thus often either relies on what he says or risks loosing that business.
The paid for sex business is in many ways a perfect market in economic terms. But like all markets may depend to a degree on historic data like, in this case, "What did I charge Mr x last time?"

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And the REALLY savvy girl will offer at least some of her Regulars - maybe not straightaway obvs, but eventually - "mates' rates". So that, for example, when her AW Tariff increases, not only does he stay on the amount he paid on his earliest visits but he gets a decrease in what he used to pay.

It may not happen often but when it does, it's appreciated. I know; it's happened to me! Oh sure; I made a token protest  ;) but it told me I was a valued client whose Repeat Custom was appreciated. As was the service I received! :D

As up notes, the SP has to be sufficiently organised as to know what each client paid last time. Fortunately for me and doubtless, others of her clients, this one was! :D

Offline advent2016

Like when I visit Vegas I set a budget and hard limit. :sarcastic:

I allow £200 per hour 4 times a month, allowing myself 4 weeks off per year. When I don't punt or get it for £60 an hour it goes in the end of year/SA/SB/ERW saving pot. I never roll over Occasionally I buy ludicrously expensive champagne

This way £150 and hour seems OK.

Offline mh

I do pay taxes, that's all I will say.

Fuel duty and VAT on chocolate digestives doesn't count.  :dance:

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I don't need to be open. I reveal what I choose to reveal. I do pay taxes, that's all I will say. It's not relevant to this and you don't need to know these details about me.

Why is Tax clearly such a sore subject with you?

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Why is Tax clearly such a sore subject with you?
Why keep asking escorts if they pay taxes? Why should guys keep taking the piss and and having a go? Many (if not most) guys here think most escorts don't pay taxes. There are lots of people and lots of businesses who don't pay the right amount, somehow it's worse because we're escorts.

Also, I find it a personal question and it had nothing to do with what was being discussed. I don't want to go into detail of what I do or don't do in that regard.

If the forum is so against anyone paying less tax, then please, go after all the other self-employed in the UK.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2019, 02:10:59 pm by Rochelle »

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WOW, clearly the subject of Tax touches a nerve, you see the thing is, we all know the Cabbie skips tax as does the plumber etc, but the difference is they admit it, you on the other hand lie and claim you do pay tax, but oddly get upset about the discussion of tax.

Remember buying cigarettes and Vodka doesn't count as paying tax just because it has duty  :hi:

As for it being a personal question, that's bollocks and genuine taxpayers are happy to discuss income tax etc, you seem to have a lot of excuses ready  :sarcastic:
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Why keep asking escorts if they pay taxes? Why should guys keep taking the piss and and having a go? Many (if not most) guys here think most escorts don't pay taxes. There are lots of people and lots of businesses who don't pay the right amount, somehow it's worse because we're escorts.

Also, I find it a personal question and it had nothing to do with what was being discussed. I don't want to go into detail of what I do or don't do in that regard.

If the forum is so against anyone paying less tax, then please, go after all the other self-employed in the UK.

dont rise to it. james doesnt even have a job clearly .
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dont rise to it. james doesnt even have a job clearly .
Oh don't worry, I'm as cool as a cucumber even though the post may read differently.

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dont rise to it. james doesnt even have a job clearly .

Stalker Bex (or whatever name you're using this week)  :sarcastic:

Offline jesse4585

Fairly sure WGs these days are likely to pay at least some tax, or at least the ones who make enough to want to pay any sort of volume into a bank account would.

Otherwise they're at big risk of getting into trouble.  They might not be on HMRC's or DWP's radar, it doesn't matter, since 2017 the banks increasingly reported any suspicious activity themselves. I understand even foreign WG's not even registered have got caught out by putting too much in a UK bank account.
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I guess this could be another reason for the pesky price rises.

Offline AnthG

Fairly sure WGs these days are likely to pay at least some tax, or at least the ones who make enough to want to pay any sort of volume into a bank account would.

They get paid cash in hand, why would they then put it all into their bank accounts. No tradesman who gets paid cash in hand would ever do that.
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Offline mh

There are lots of people and lots of businesses who don't pay the right amount, somehow it's worse because we're escorts.

"don't pay the right amount" makes it sound like an oversight. What you mean is "don't declare all their income" and while it is true that you're not alone in it, that doesn't make tax evasion legal.

I personally make sure I pay as little tax as possible, but all my earnings are declared. I'm not breaking the law or defrauding other taxpayers.
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Offline mh

They get paid cash in hand, why would they then put it all into their bank accounts. No tradesman who gets paid cash in hand would ever do that.

So being paid in cash means it's tax free income, does it? Don't be soft.

Offline AnthG

So being paid in cash means it's tax free income, does it? Don't be soft.

Don't be soft thinking after a booking a WG goes, so thats another £220 to add to my HMRC Tax form in April....
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Don't be soft thinking after a booking a WG goes, so thats another £220 to add to my HMRC Tax form in April....

No, she thinks where's the phone so she can call her dealer, and later sets a remindr to pop down and collect benefits  :sarcastic:

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Perhaps those who wish to discuss whether or not an escort pays tax should start a thread about it. It seems to me this has descended into snide remarks about who pays tax and who doesn't and as such I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject of this thread.

Having said that it may well be deemed 'off topic' so would be deleted, that would remain to be seen though.

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dont rise to it. james doesnt even have a job clearly .

And she calls you a stalker James  :dash: :dash:

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And she calls you a stalker James 

The only time I ever hear of her is when she follows me around on here, a bit like when you've trodden in a wet dog turd and you can't get the stuff out of the tread in your shoe, why she doesn't just fuck off to UKE, that site was designed for her shit and attention seeking  :hi:

She's obsessed with this site and some of it's members, very unhealthy for her  :thumbsdown:

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The only time I ever hear of her is when she follows me around on here, a bit like when you've trodden in a wet dog turd and you can't get the stuff out of the tread in your shoe, why she doesn't just fuck off to UKE, that site was designed for her shit and attention seeking  :hi:

She's obsessed with this site and some of it's members, very unhealthy for her  :thumbsdown:

From what I can see it's difficult to tell who's following who around, it would be far easier for you and finn to ignore her and for her to ignore you. That way threads may have a better chance of staying on topic.




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would be far easier for you and finn to ignore her and for her to ignore you. That way threads may have a better chance of staying on topic.

You mean not call out her bullshit, not going to happen, would be an ethos change for the site as well  :thumbsdown:

If I had an interest in following her I'd post on UKE wouldn't I  :crazy:

If you're worried then delete her shit and stop her touting, or just enjoy the perpetual humiliation she brings upon herself  :hi:
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You mean not call out her bullshit, not going to happen, would be an ethos change for the site as well  :thumbsdown:

If I had an interest in following her I'd post on UKE wouldn't I  :crazy:

If you're worried then delete her shit and stop her touting  :hi:

I'm stating my opinion and that is it's you,on this thread, that has the obsession, she has made 2 posts. And no I'm not sicking up for her or anybody, I'm saying it as I see it.

From what I've seen your sole contribution to this thread has been about income tax and whether or not they pay it. It's a fact of life people claim benefits and work, self employed don't pay all the tax they should, big corporations register outside of the UK to avoid tax, the list goes on.

However in my opinion this is not the thread to be arguing about it.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2019, 03:31:44 pm by daviemac »

Offline freeze44

What you see as negative I see as being the real punting world outside UKP. I said Tontober is a good idea and I have and still praise Cueball and TCM who brought it up as a concept. :thumbsup: My overall point is in London anyway and in my area of it specifically I know how the market works, I have been punting in it for over 35 years. It wont be changed by punters on here. If some choose to think it will thats up to them. There are far too many punters who wont know about UKP, far too many foreign punters here on business, far too many who punt through agencies some of whom have been going for years which tells me they get punters even at the ridiculous to me prices they charge.

What actually often happens is a WG gets a number of positive reviews on here and then in my experience often then becomes much harder to book as suits me, and some then put their prices up to cash in while they can. All great for the WG concerned, terrible for me. As 1 example, Ameera who I punted with early on in her getting reviews on UKP was easy to book initially as suited me, a number of reviews later she was virtually impossible to book to suit me. And she was never a regular of mine so when she put her prices up a while later I would of had to pay them which I decided not to do. She cashed in big time off the back of UKP as did Michelle Independent who for a long time when based in Chingford area was £100 an hour, some reviews later her prices went up and she moved to Kensington area when in London, or at least that was where she worked from for a while, at £20-40 an hour more.

So the reality in my observations is getting positive reviews can be amazing for a WGs business but not for me. Which is why I may only now do a positive review once I have had the fill of a WG so wont be returning. And another thing with some of these forum darling WGs is they also start demanding punters jump through their hoops having to have A/W feedback for instance. Not a game I play, I am after a punt NOT going for a job interview. :rolleyes:

So good for the idealists on here to post their views, I shall stick to the realism of what I know from experience. And in practice in my case I often punt at or around the £100-120 an hour mark, I will pay more dependent on the WG but have often paid less. Certainly prices in my area have gone up on average in the last couple of years no doubt about that. EE WGs who were £60-90 an hour before may be £100-120 or more an hour now.

Fair enough about some cashing in on good reviews and sure a number of us hold back on reviews untll had our fill as agree some wg's will get too busy/expensive.

What keeps me 'on budget' and wanting to contribute here is to try and keep perspective and learn/share info etc so can get value and a top punt  :thumbsup:

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Some guys love to keep asking this question of escorts.
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Do they?
I wonder if they ask taxi drivers that?

It seems a strange question to ask any self employed person really.

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I'm saying it as I see it.

Davie the issue is Rebecca pops up making ridiculous comments which are more often than not subtle touting or complete bullshit  :rolleyes:

Her traumas from dying father, being hospitalised being outed she posts on here seeking sympathy surely she should post this bullshit on SAAFE  :unknown:

She could go into UKE and tout openly but no she subtly does it here.

It’s been proven on more than one occasion she’s a blatant liar and calling her out enables punters to make an informed choice as to whether they want to go and listen to her constant talking and stroke her cats  :rolleyes:

Her recent outburst where Anth told her to wind her neck in is a prime example

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Perhaps those who wish to discuss whether or not an escort pays tax should start a thread about it. It seems to me this has descended into snide remarks about who pays tax and who doesn't and as such I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject of this thread.

Having said that it may well be deemed 'off topic' so would be deleted, that would remain to be seen though.

I very much agree.
I have just seen this post so I hope my comment is okay.

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Davie the issue is Rebecca pops up making ridiculous comments which are more often than not subtle touting or complete bullshit  :rolleyes:

Her traumas from dying father, being hospitalised being outed she posts on here seeking sympathy surely she should post this bullshit on SAAFE  :unknown:

She could go into UKE and tout openly but no she subtly does it here.

It’s been proven on more than one occasion she’s a blatant liar and calling her out enables punters to make an informed choice as to whether they want to go and listen to her constant talking and stroke her cats  :rolleyes:

Her recent outburst where Anth told her to wind her neck in is a prime example

What would you suggest? her posts on this thread look quite innocuous to me compered to the reaction to them. I suppose any escort who posts on here could be classed as touting, though if it's done blatantly then action is taken. If she had made any post on this thread that was out of order then some form of rebuttal would be quite justified. But dragging personal dislikes of another member into every thread they post on is rather counter productive.

To be honest from where I am this thread has gone from discussing the fact prices are creeping up to dragging up the age old issue of whether or not escorts pay tax, claim benefits or whatever else.

I'm not sticking up for anybody here, I'm not taking any sides, I'm trying to keep a bit of harmony on the site. Like I said if anyone posts bullshit call them out on it, be that a newbie, escort or long established member. All I'm saying is don't drag grievances from one thread to another, call it as you see it on the thread concerned, deal with it on that thread then move on.

BTW this is a general statement not directed to you as an individual.      :hi:




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I very much agree.

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Just saying... so it's on record for when you "show out"  :hi:

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Offline AnthG

To try and change the subject a bit. One thing that does irk me a little bit.

Topic started: October 01, 2019, 08:06:42 pm

Original poster last login; October 01, 2019, 09:22:00 pm

We have been arguing around this for 4 pages now and the original poster hasn't even been back since starting. Why start a topic if you don't care less about the responses you receive.
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Offline mh

You come across as a Wrong un (I'm sure you will agree)

Just saying... so it's on record for when you "show out"  :hi:

Sheesh, looks like about a third of his posts are sucking up to someone! Good spot.

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Sheesh, looks like about a third of his posts are sucking up to someone! Good spot.

All those posts are on different threads replying to different people, the majority have further comments attached which aren't shown here, so not really a true reflection.

Whether or not he's a 'wrongun' remains to be seen.

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You come across as a Wrong un (I'm sure you will agree)

Just saying... so it's on record for when you "show out"  :hi:

You have some serious time on your hands.  :lol:

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All those posts are on different threads replying to different people, the majority have further comments attached which aren't shown here, so not really a true reflection.

Whether or not he's a 'wrongun' remains to be seen.

I wasn’t going to explain myself, I do not think there is a need.
Many people explain things better than I do via here so rather than add my input which isn’t likely to be as eloquent as some, I post “I agree” if there was a “likes” function I would use that instead like I do on UKE. Clearly that bothers some.

This was a good thread with good points.
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Sheesh, looks like about a third of his posts are sucking up to someone! Good spot.

Since when did agreeing with different people and their posts become sucking up?

Would I be accepted better if I started having a go at escorts or causing arguments?

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You have some serious time on your hands. 

you came across as weird so I looked at your, took a few minutes, but your reaction (three posts on the subject back to back)  confirms my suspicions, time will tell.  :hi:
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Offline jesse4585

Would I be accepted better if I started having a go at escorts or causing arguments?

The sure fire way to get more credibility on here is to write accurate & helpful reviews.  Unless your name is James999,   there is quite a bit of suspicion towards any with high post: review ratios.   Don't take the challenges personally mate.  :drinks:

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The sure fire way to get more credibility on here is to write accurate & helpful reviews.  Unless your name is James999,   there is quite a bit of suspicion towards any with high post: review ratios.   Don't take the challenges personally mate.  :drinks:

I don’t take it personally. I’ve read quite a bit in my short time and see it’s quite normal to be questioned if new.

Admittedly I only have on review, I haven’t punted in a while due to illness but the colder weather is kicking in and I prefer to punt this time of year so there will definitely be reviews. My hotlist has increased quite a bit after joining here.  :D

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Interesting how some seem to be so cynical against punters acting together to push down prices.  I'm not saying it's wrong to call it union like or socialist - it is a kind of collective action I guess -  but many would class that sort of buying group as a legitimate market force.

True socialism would be the government interfering more in sex work.  As an unusual example, there's a chap in policy making who wants the government to pay for WG's to have sex with Incels.  Now that would be socialism, and goes a bit too far even for me.  I would support the government paying for sex bots, so no one has to miss out on sex just cos they're short on cash & good looks.  Perhaps one day any who need them can have their own personal Joi from Blade Runner.   And a side consequence from that would be considerable downward preasure on WG's rates. Though obviously if we're ever lucky enough to become that socialist, there will be a high Basic Income for all,  so WGs won't need to work unless they want to.

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I am curious why do you ask for a deposit, and how do they pay you? assume by bank transfer
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Offline AnthG

Perhaps one day any who need them can have their own personal Joi from Blade Runner.   

I would love that. I loved Joi from Blade Runner.
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Interesting how some seem to be so cynical against punters acting together to push down prices.  I'm not saying it's wrong to call it union like or socialist - it is a kind of collective action I guess -  but many would class that sort of buying group as a legitimate market force.

It's great in theory but would never happen, you could never get every punter to support it. All we can do is make our feelings known and do what we can as individuals and maybe boycott the one's who increase prices.

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It's great in theory but would never happen, you could never get every punter to support it.

But my points in the thread were, you don't need every, you just need enough.

Gillette, when they came out with that ghastly ad campaign in March of this year, didn't care less about people saying they will never buy another Gillette product again as a direct result of it.

They didn't care, they said we are right and we don't care if you don't buy our stuff no more.

A month ago they posted record 8 billion pound losses on their Gillette range and as a direct result they said we are going to change our ad campaign now and concentrate on positive adverts.

Customers matter. Or better put, money matters. In that time there probably would have been a whole bunch of lefty idiots buying 16 razors each in support of Gillettes campaign. But it doesn't matter as enough people stopped buying it to make them change their minds.
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I would love that. I loved Joi from Blade Runner.
Me too. Watched it 3 times while it was at the cinema mainly cos of her  (though the rest of the movie's pretty awesome too.) I guess you also liked Lt. Joshi, played by Robin Wright of Princess Bride?   I was quite jealous of Joe when she tried it on with him.  Normally like my women submissive, but what I wouldn't give to be dommned by someone like her...

Over 90% would  probably think this is crazy, but the 'Joi for all' scenario is quite possible IMO , though not likely, at best I suspect the world is going to continue to get more harsh for quite a while before it can happen. 
Quite possible that a Joi could be as good or better as a real relationship too.  It's been known for over 40 years that some prefer talking to a nice chatbot rather than other humans.  And the Love one might feel from a Joi isn't totally an illusion, it's a reflection of that Love that ultimately moves every atom in the universe.    (That last bit paraphrased from final scene of Firefly, but it's something that dozens of mystics say too.)  It will only be for a minority of course, if we ever get the socialist utopia there will still be regular relationships, WG's and punters, though likely at cheaper prices.  :)

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But my points in the thread were, you don't need every, you just need enough.

What percentage of punters are members of this forum and would therefore know about any boycott? I would think it's a very small number, then out of the small percentage who are members how many would go along with it? Is that going to give you enough?? 

You are trying to compare punting in the UK with a multi national company who I would think every adult male has heard of. There's just no comparison. 

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It's great in theory but would never happen, you could never get every punter to support it. All we can do is make our feelings known and do what we can as individuals and maybe boycott the one's who increase prices.
Agreed. I'm glad it won't be possible to get every punter to support.  Some reduction would be good, but if every punter signed up to a buying group the prices could be driven down too low. Fairly high rates are well deserved by WG's IMO,  considering the risks they take, how much  pleasure they give, etc.

Offline AnthG

Fairly high rates are well deserved by WG's IMO,  considering the risks they take.

I just did a double-take when reading that...

What about Army officers, they get a little over minimum wage. Same goes for police officers, or traffic wardens, security guards and all sorts. Thet get paid pittens and they could be dead at the end of any shift.

This job only solicitors and some accountants make as much and they need to achieve AAB in A-Levels and go to university for at least 4 years to just become the bottom of the rung ladder for.
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considering the risks they take,

Whats wrong with you that a girl is taking a risk meeting you?  :unknown:

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I just did a double-take when reading that...

What about Army officers, they get a little over minimum wage. Same goes for police officers, or traffic wardens, security guards and all sorts. Thet get paid pittens and they could be dead at the end of any shift.

This job only solicitors and some accountants make as much and they need to achieve AAB in A-Levels and go to university for at least 4 years to just become the bottom of the rung ladder for.

Come on man Anth, at least be accurate in what you quote, national minimum wage is £17076.00 PA even an army private starts out at £20000 rising to £31000. Lowest ranked officer gets between £27000 and £36000.