WG Putting Prices Up

[LLPunting]

I quoted oldadmin who said there were 0.6 million unique visitors in a month on UKP and this was from a post from 2015. UKP is way more popular in the 4 years since 2015. So I extrapolated that number a bit

Thanks, previous rhetorical question answered.

[LLPunting]

What % of 0.6Million don’t punt.
WG, pimps, agencies, trolls, kids, retired, journalists, police?
Some members might just like reading reviews about sex with prostitutes, no intention of punting.

Go on, do an AnthG, make an inference given the number of active members we appear to have over say a week.   
It'll be fact by the time the Mirror print it.

[LLPunting]

I'll tell you what, why don't you go and demand they reduce their prices, I don't need to, I can afford it as I've worked very hard ever since I started my working life. I've saved my money over the years when others have thrown it away.

I don't eat out alot, I don't have an expensive phone plan, I don't need to own an expensive car, I don't have Sky or Virgin TV, in fact I don't even watch TV. I prefer reading books, most of them completely free from my local library, I have the occasional alcoholic beverage at home and spend time with my buddies at weekends while working a career that pays well so I have plenty of income to spend on any escort I want.

So thanks for the offer but I think I'll pass on it. I'm not going to deny myself the pleasures I want just because you haven't made better choices to allow you to get the things you want in life.

You seem to be holding to the tenet that having plenty of wealth gets you plenty of things.  The simplicity of your interpretation though only holds good despite the increasing prices of SPs if you have enough wealth to afford all the escapades regardless of the cost.  But SPs are not the same as cars, homes, watches, golf memberships, Nintendos, suits, etc.  For most of us, poor or rich, when it comes to fucking the types of women our level of wealth might attract we almost always want to fuck more than we can get our hands on.  That number would be higher for any given budget if the SPs were individually cheaper.

[LLPunting]

He does actually

I don’t have the latest phone . I hardly watch tv , don’t have sky or anything just freeview .I read and I don’t drink so I’m boring then ?!

Why would you have any of the things you have let alone he does if you're too busy with your legs akimbo and having "real" orgasms with loads of adoring fans?

[AnthG]

You voted Brexit didn't you.

Or course I did, just like all the other rational people in the UK. And I would vote for it again in an instant and I am hoping Boris does his magic and gets us out in 28 days.

[LLPunting]

I can afford to do it as I'm earning a high income so it doesn't bother me much and what makes you think I'd always book an hour anyway? I generally punt a couple of times a year as my life doesn't evolve solely around this hobby so I'm hardly throwing my life's earnings away am I.

Sounds like you're quite boring then if you aren't adorning all your other wealthy escapades with pretty ladies of loose moral fibre willing to act deliciously depraved to empty your sac.  Guess you didn't read the revision to "How to Win Friends and Influence People," now captioned "For the Internet Generation".

[LLPunting]

Or course I did, just like all the other rational people in the UK. And I would vote for it again in an instant and I am hoping Boris does his magic and gets us out in 28 days.

You know you're to blame for the SP price rises then.  Congrats.

[LLPunting]

You are forgetting you also spend a lot of time logged into this forum. Some may consider a young fit girl spending a great amount of her day logged into a forum designed for men to talk about working girls as her being a tad bit boring.

Shhh, don't say that.  Finn and his cohorts will be forced to admit she's not boring and quite canny to be touting her business amongst the correct target demo.  The existential quandary may be too much for them.

[AnthG]

You know you're to blame for the SP price rises then.  Congrats.

Yeah but once when we leave we can do a deal and get a load of fit Brazilians coming over at a fraction of the price we pay now....

[Steely Dan]

One more thing on the number of punters and the number of escorts in the UK.  We don't care.

For this forum, I care about the number of escorts who might be influenced by this forum.  Not sure I can explain in a few words : Agencies in London with many girls that I will never book I don't care.  Might be loads.  Tourists and rich Americans (or Arabs) that would never look here I don't care. Street walkers and even Soho walk ups I dont care.

But for main stream AW escorts, I suspect UKP matters a bit more.  Some get a fair business from here.  If we *all* did follow Tontober for a month, I think it would effect those escorts we care about.  The ones on our hot list.  I think even the slight partial Tontober efforts makes a bit of difference.  Not on all.  But on some.  Any effect is a good effect.   Not sure I understand the reluctance to try a few lower priced escorts for a month - what's the worst that can happen?

[LLPunting]

That wasn't the question she asked though. I like Rebecca too.

I would love it if Jessica Beil became a working girl and posted on this forum day in day out. My point was. From Jessica Beils perspective. Her posting on this forum day in day out would be considered a bit boring on her part.

The people all reading her posts would all love them and not find them boring. But if anyone asked Jessica what you doing today. And she said, I am going to post on a forum for prostitutes. They'd think....Boring...

Really?
What character motivation is she channeling?
Is she conflicted?
If she's playing EnglishRebecca as written by Finn5555 would mean she's posting teasing yet despicable marketing memes to extend her business of impoverishing undesirable men with more money than sense.  Interesting for her, interesting for anyone who'd like to see wealthy males get exploited, not so interesting for wealthy males not wanting to be reminded what numpties they're being.

[LLPunting]

Yeah but once when we leave we can do a deal and get a load of fit Brazilians coming over at a fraction of the price we pay now....

<Sigh>
Pay to play Brazilians?  Really?
Wit? Clueless? Fuck! Or some such.

[Mallow841]

I get bored of their bullshit and touting

Fair enough.
Isn’t touting banned on here though? So maybe we should report those breaking the rules.

[Mallow841]

<Sigh>
Pay to play Brazilians?  Really?
Wit? Clueless? Fuck! Or some such.

 

[finn5555]

Shhh, don't say that.  Finn and his cohorts will be forced to admit she's not boring and quite canny to be touting her business amongst the correct target demo.  The existential quandary may be too much for them.

If you are happy I’m happy 

[LLPunting]

One more thing on the number of punters and the number of escorts in the UK.  We don't care.

For this forum, I care about the number of escorts who might be influenced by this forum.  Not sure I can explain in a few words : Agencies in London with many girls that I will never book I don't care.  Might be loads.  Tourists and rich Americans (or Arabs) that would never look here I don't care. Street walkers and even Soho walk ups I dont care.

But for main stream AW escorts, I suspect UKP matters a bit more.  Some get a fair business from here.  If we *all* did follow Tontober for a month, I think it would effect those escorts we care about.  The ones on our hot list.  I think even the slight partial Tontober efforts makes a bit of difference.  Not on all.  But on some.  Any effect is a good effect.   Not sure I understand the reluctance to try a few lower priced escorts for a month - what's the worst that can happen?

 
Epiphany

Or should I say...

Epic Fanny (times ahead)

400 pcm -> permits 2-3 punts at usual rate paid -> 4 punts every month with SPs discovered during Tontober.  That's a decent shag every week! 

[OakTree]

   Not sure I understand the reluctance to try a few lower priced escorts for a month - what's the worst that can happen?

I can only speak for myself but I don’t go punting with thoughts of some sort of trade union ideology deciding where I go and how much I pay.

I have a budget and if I like the look of a girl and she’s within it I book her. And I do that because I like to fuck girls I like. I’m not going to lower my budget and fuck girls I’m not particularly keen on in some form of protest to support a vaguely Marxist ideology stamped onto the fucking for cash trade.

Forum activity is merely a secondary offshoot of that trade and certainly should not be a governing influence. It is here primarily to review. People should be able to fuck who they choose and pay what they want. It isn’t for me or anyone else to tell them they’ve not had VFM.

I may well want to fuck a girl come in her mouth and do her up the tradesman and I see that as VFM. Someone else may well just want a lap dance and watch her stuff a dildo up her arse for an hour. Who’s to say had the most enjoyment or VFM.

I’m against trying to fiddle and force market forces. It always ends in a race to the bottom of the barrel.

[Mallow841]

I can only speak for myself but I don’t go punting with thoughts of some sort of trade union ideology deciding where I go and how much I pay.

I have a budget and if I like the look of a girl and she’s within it I book her. And I do that because I like to fuck girls I like. I’m not going to lower my budget and fuck girls I’m not particularly keen on in some form of protest to support a vaguely Marxist ideology stamped onto the fucking for cash trade.

Forum activity is merely a secondary offshoot of that trade and certainly should not be a governing influence. It is here primarily to review. People should be able to fuck who they choose and pay what they want. It isn’t for me or anyone else to tell them they’ve not had VFM.

I may well want to fuck a girl come in her mouth and do her up the tradesman and I see that as VFM. Someone else may well just want a lap dance and watch her stuff a dildo up her arse for an hour. Who’s to say had the most enjoyment or VFM.

I’m against trying to fiddle and force market forces. It always ends in a race to the bottom of the barrel.

Great post. Couldn’t have put it better myself. 

[finn5555]

I can only speak for myself but I don’t go punting with thoughts of some sort of trade union ideology deciding where I go and how much I pay.

I have a budget and if I like the look of a girl and she’s within it I book her. And I do that because I like to fuck girls I like. I’m not going to lower my budget and fuck girls I’m not particularly keen on in some form of protest to support a vaguely Marxist ideology stamped onto the fucking for cash trade.

Forum activity is merely a secondary offshoot of that trade and certainly should not be a governing influence. It is here primarily to review. People should be able to fuck who they choose and pay what they want. It isn’t for me or anyone else to tell them they’ve not had VFM.

I may well want to fuck a girl come in her mouth and do her up the tradesman and I see that as VFM. Someone else may well just want a lap dance and watch her stuff a dildo up her arse for an hour. Who’s to say had the most enjoyment or VFM.

I’m against trying to fiddle and force market forces. It always ends in a race to the bottom of the barrel.

You have hit the nail on the head 

[LLPunting]

I can only speak for myself but I don’t go punting with thoughts of some sort of trade union ideology deciding where I go and how much I pay.

I have a budget and if I like the look of a girl and she’s within it I book her. And I do that because I like to fuck girls I like. I’m not going to lower my budget and fuck girls I’m not particularly keen on in some form of protest to support a vaguely Marxist ideology stamped onto the fucking for cash trade.

Forum activity is merely a secondary offshoot of that trade and certainly should not be a governing influence. It is here primarily to review. People should be able to fuck who they choose and pay what they want. It isn’t for me or anyone else to tell them they’ve not had VFM.

I may well want to fuck a girl come in her mouth and do her up the tradesman and I see that as VFM. Someone else may well just want a lap dance and watch her stuff a dildo up her arse for an hour. Who’s to say had the most enjoyment or VFM.

I’m against trying to fiddle and force market forces. It always ends in a race to the bottom of the barrel.

Ah the Freedom for Freedom's sake argument.  Even that VFM argument is bettered when the cost of each encounter is held in check rather than allowed to bloat beyond support of all but the most wealthy.
All well and good if you're on the right side of the wealth gap but it also encourages an inflation bubble because even the worst SPs will tout for higher prices to get at the action and then the pricier girls will escalate to maintain their perceived or real superiority of service and quality.

Don't say that won't happen because all the major economies have played this out.  House prices anyone?  Rents?  Electric car prices?  Price of a Snickers?  Weight of a Snickers?

[OakTree]

Ah the Freedom for Freedom's sake argument.  Even that VFM argument is bettered when the cost of each encounter is held in check rather than allowed to bloat beyond support of all but the most wealthy.
All well and good if you're on the right side of the wealth gap but it also encourages an inflation bubble because even the worst SPs will tout for higher prices to get at the action and then the pricier girls will escalate to maintain their perceived or real superiority of service and quality.

Don't say that won't happen because all the major economies have played this out.  House prices anyone?  Rents?  Electric car prices?  Price of a Snickers?  Weight of a Snickers?

Go down the route that’s being suggested and you’ve engineered not only the market but the reviewing scene on here. Who’s going to review a girl if he thinks it’s not within the engineered acceptable rates on here. You will just destroy the legitimacy of this site.

[Steely Dan]

I can only speak for myself but I don’t go punting with thoughts of some sort of trade union ideology deciding where I go and how much I pay.

I have a budget and if I like the look of a girl and she’s within it I book her. And I do that because I like to fuck girls I like. I’m not going to lower my budget and fuck girls I’m not particularly keen on in some form of protest to support a vaguely Marxist ideology stamped onto the fucking for cash trade.

Forum activity is merely a secondary offshoot of that trade and certainly should not be a governing influence. It is here primarily to review. People should be able to fuck who they choose and pay what they want. It isn’t for me or anyone else to tell them they’ve not had VFM.

I may well want to fuck a girl come in her mouth and do her up the tradesman and I see that as VFM. Someone else may well just want a lap dance and watch her stuff a dildo up her arse for an hour. Who’s to say had the most enjoyment or VFM.

I’m against trying to fiddle and force market forces. It always ends in a race to the bottom of the barrel.

Of course you should fuck who you want.  I do that too would you believe

I just note that you quoted my question, but like a politician on radio 4, you didn't answer.  Listen, if you have a regular, (or a stable) that are sorted out, go for it.  But if you are looking for something new, why not try a lower priced escort?  I have found some gems in the past - and I have one lined up soon. Report to follow.

If it is a shit punt I will report also.  I agree that this place is about reviews. The rest is fluff I agree. Also I agree it is mad to think anyone would get shit for reviewing a higher priced escort.  this is a laugh, not serious. Never done that never will.

[freeze44]

Agree it's up to each individual punter to pay what they want but in reality that's such a simplistic statement. Someone with no idea of how much a car is worth can pay what they want but someone with some understanding of real value will get a better price and reckon it's the same with wg's.

All markets are regulated in some shape and form. I think this site does have a big impact and the wg's who are clever know how to pitch themselves from a number of factors, including this site.

That feeling when had a shit punt and lost a good whack of cash is horrid and seems strange anyone here would argue against trying to exert pressure to keep prices down 

[OakTree]

Of course you should fuck who you want.  I do that too would you believe

I just note that you quoted my question, but like a politician on radio 4, you didn't answer.  Listen, if you have a regular, (or a stable) that are sorted out, go for it.  But if you are looking for something new, why not try a lower priced escort?  I have found some gems in the past - and I have one lined up soon. Report to follow.

If it is a shit punt I will report also.  I agree that this place is about reviews. The rest is fluff I agree. Also I agree it is mad to think anyone would get shit for not for reviewing a higher priced escort.  this is a laugh, not serious.

I chose your question but my post was primarily about the whole subject.

I did answer your question. I have budget and I pick girls I like that are within it. I’m not going to lower the budget and go for girls I don’t fancy just because they’re cheaper. If I see a girl I like and she’s lower than what I’d normally pay, all well and good but I’ve been at this long enough to know what I like and how much I’m willing to pay. If what I pay is too much for some on here, tough luck.

[LLPunting]

Go down the route that’s being suggested and you’ve engineered not only the market but the reviewing scene on here. Who’s going to review a girl if he thinks it’s not within the engineered acceptable rates on here. You will just destroy the legitimacy of this site.

Eh?  Destroy the legitimacy?  Is this where you lurk Dominic when not machinating in Whitehall?
All markets are engineered!  Buyers and sellers come together and agree on prices subject to priorities and criteria.  We're suggesting buyers alter their priorities to derive better value for any given service by favouring lower prices.  That's the equivalent of operating in a more pluralistic marketplace where there are competitive, cheaper sellers who can trade without invested interests mandating they charge more to be less competitive, flounder from lack of custom and drop out of market, permitting those with deeper pockets to exploit a surplus demand a la Big Pharma.

"Engineering" reviews?  There won't be censorship. Reviews of SPs who are charging more than they're worth will continue to be expected and posted, they may be more vociferously called out as PVFM which may ultimately affect the price or it might not. 

[Rochelle]

There's no way 60% or 80% of a WG's customers would be UKP members, who have read about a strike and acted on it.

I highly doubt 60% to 80% of my bookings are forum members. I reckon I'd have many more reviews.

[LLPunting]

I highly doubt 60% to 80% of my bookings are forum members. I reckon I'd have many more reviews.

Sadly he's including leeches.

Whether you consider having a load of slimy suckers preying on your good lady of the night nature to be a good thing is for you to say.

[finn5555]

I highly doubt 60% to 80% of my bookings are forum members. I reckon I'd have many more reviews.

What percentage would you say then

[Rochelle]

What percentage would you say then

It's a guess...but I'd say less than a quarter based on the number of bookings compared to reviews. (Yes, I know there are lurkers that won't review.)

Also, I get a deposit for most of my bookings. I know the forum's general stance on that subject. I doubt most would pay a deposit.

[smiths]

There have been some classic posts on this thread. I for one am most certainly NOT a punting socialist, I punt with who suits me NOT a punter or punters on here.

I have read all this brothers sticking together stuff on here before, get a serious grip is my advice, you have no way of knowing as fact what any punter does or doesn't do apart from reading their posts and reviews. They could say yeah I wont pay more than say £100 an hour to punt then pay £150 an hour and no one would be any the wiser.

There will also be who knows how many punters who know nothing of UKP. We have Tontober which is a great idea but as proved in the years since it started it hasn't changed the punting scene.

[smiths]

The tipping point certainly comes when a client's 'regular' puts up her prices. When that happens to me I truly have to think very hard and often am driven to decide to seek different SPs who provide for my needs at lower prices.
The savvy women keep regular clients on their existing terms (unless of course they want rid of them).
The non savvy woman can't for the life of her remember what she last charged a particular regular so thus often either relies on what he says or risks loosing that business.
The paid for sex business is in many ways a perfect market in economic terms. But like all markets may depend to a degree on historic data like, in this case, "What did I charge Mr x last time?"

UP

When a regular of mine has put her prices up and expected me to pay the new rate that's the last she has seen of me. In practice most regs haven't expected me to pay the new rate which is always appreciated and she gets more business off me as a result.

[finn5555]

Also, I get a deposit for most of my bookings. I know the forum's general stance on that subject. I doubt most would pay a deposit.

I am curious why do you ask for a deposit, and how do they pay you? assume by bank transfer

[Beamer]

I must be lucky because I have not experienced a price increase from my regulars for ages. A couple of FBSM shops have increased their hourly rate from £40 to £45 but as I always have extra extras the actual price I am paying has not reflected the increase. Perhaps it's a just a lucky bonus because in reality I would probably pay for the extra if the service provided was satisfactory.

[Beamer]

I am curious why do you ask for a deposit, and how do they pay you? assume by bank transfer

Good question....... I would never pay a deposit.

[James999]

I am curious why do you ask for a deposit,

Because shes worried that when they meet her they may walk, having a deposit reduces the risk of this for her, and of course if they do walk at least she's got some money 

[Rochelle]

Because shes worried that when they meet her they may walk, having a deposit reduces the risk of this for her, and of course if they do walk at least she's got some money 

[Beamer]

Because shes worried that when they meet her they may walk, having a deposit reduces the risk of this for her, and of course if they do walk at least she's got some money 

When was the last time you paid a deposit?

[Rochelle]

I am curious why do you ask for a deposit, and how do they pay you? assume by bank transfer

To reduce time wasters. There are those who book for a laugh and aren't there when I go to meet them. I know that's not the majority, but it happened a few times and I'm not wasting my time getting ready and travelling without being quite sure they'll be there.
Last week, one guy even pretended he had sent the £20 deposit I'd requested. I told him there's no way I'm leaving without seeing it in my account.

The deposits are usually paid by bank transfer, but I've also been paid via PayPal. They can vary between £10 and £100 but most of the time it's £10 to £30. Recently I went to Liverpool for an overnight, I was sent £80 to book my train tickets.

By the way, sometimes I'm paid the rest of the fee by bank transfer on arrival. Not everyone prefers cash.

[freeze44]

There have been some classic posts on this thread. I for one am most certainly NOT a punting socialist, I punt with who suits me NOT a punter or punters on here.

I have read all this brothers sticking together stuff on here before, get a serious grip is my advice, you have no way of knowing as fact what any punter does or doesn't do apart from reading their posts and reviews. They could say yeah I wont pay more than say £100 an hour to punt then pay £150 an hour and no one would be any the wiser.

There will also be who knows how many punters who know nothing of UKP. We have Tontober which is a great idea but as proved in the years since it started it hasn't changed the punting scene.

Pretty negative points!

Of course everyone punts for themselves but there is a real incentive to try and reduce/moderate prices for all of us. As in any walk of life when selling something, those selling want the best return and those buying want to pay less and a variety of factors come into play to set rates including reviews and the belief that a number of punters here are honest.

Tontober has worked previously and there are other examples of punters working together as well.

I also know from my experience this site has made me much more aware of what value is and what a fair going rate is to pay wg's as well as service etc.

Power to the punters 

[LLPunting]

To reduce time wasters. There are those who book for a laugh and aren't there when I go to meet them. I know that's not the majority, but it happened a few times and I'm not wasting my time getting ready and travelling without being quite sure they'll be there.
Last week, one guy even pretended he had sent the £20 deposit I'd requested. I told him there's no way I'm leaving without seeing it in my account.

The deposits are usually paid by bank transfer, but I've also been paid via PayPal. They can vary between £10 and £100 but most of the time it's £10 to £30. Recently I went to Liverpool for an overnight, I was sent £80 to book my train tickets.

By the way, sometimes I'm paid the rest of the fee by bank transfer on arrival. Not everyone prefers cash.

So do you declare all your earnings to HMRC like Priya?
If so do you file yourself as a sole trader or get an accountant to do so?
What descriptions and categories do they use for your various trade related expenses?

[Rochelle]

So do you declare all your earnings to HMRC like Priya?
If so do you file yourself as a sole trader or get an accountant to do so?
What descriptions and categories do they use for your various trade related expenses?

What does that have to do with the discussion?

[Jonestown]

Power to the punters 

That's great chaps, and can I ask that after we have sorted out the hookers can we do something about the drug dealers and the needlessly excessive prices they are demanding for their dodgy product ?

[Mallow841]

So do you declare all your earnings to HMRC like Priya?
If so do you file yourself as a sole trader or get an accountant to do so?
What descriptions and categories do they use for your various trade related expenses?

Does any self employed person declare ALL their earnings?
I know the ones I know certainly don’t, they try to pay as little tax as possible, I don’t blame them.

[Mallow841]

That's great chaps, and can I ask that after we have sorted out the hookers can we do something about the drug dealers and the needlessly excessive prices they are demanding for their dodgy product ?

 

[Rochelle]

Does any self employed person declare ALL their earnings?
I know the ones I know certainly don’t, they try to pay as little tax as possible, I don’t blame them.

Some guys love to keep asking this question of escorts.

[finn5555]

What does that have to do with the discussion?

Valid point don’t you just love a tax discussion 

[James999]

Some guys love to keep asking this question of escorts.

Tax / NI etc is just something people discuss on a daily basis, it's only offensive to Pro$sies as they don't pay it, which is understandable as it's cash transactions and could fuck up their benefits, it's the fact that many lie and say they do pay it that causes the debate 

[LLPunting]

What does that have to do with the discussion?

Not alot other than whilst Priya had to manage her cash piles into "legitimate" use you have some recorded payments connecting you to perhaps many private individuals for small and large sums. A (mostly) honest, open person could easily respond without any compromise or concern as your profession isn't illegal no need to be shifty about the income, other than to evade taxes.

[Rochelle]

Not alot other than whilst Priya had to manage her cash piles into "legitimate" use you have some recorded payments connecting you to perhaps many private individuals for small and large sums. A (mostly) honest, open person could easily respond without any compromise or concern as your profession isn't illegal no need to be shifty about the income, other than to evade taxes.

I don't need to be open. I reveal what I choose to reveal. I do pay taxes, that's all I will say. It's not relevant to this and you don't need to know these details about me.

[Moby Dick]

Pretty negative points!

Of course everyone punts for themselves but there is a real incentive to try and reduce/moderate prices for all of us. As in any walk of life when selling something, those selling want the best return and those buying want to pay less and a variety of factors come into play to set rates including reviews and the belief that a number of punters here are honest.

Tontober has worked previously and there are other examples of punters working together as well.

I also know from my experience this site has made me much more aware of what value is and what a fair going rate is to pay wg's as well as service etc.

Power to the punters 

I agree and I am often one of the first to question how much? My limit has crept up to £160 since SS closed.

However I have been tempted from some of the profiles posted in the NW piss takers price thread in the past week I wouldn’t mind a dabble. Years ago I went through a phase of pornstars at £250/hr and thought nah waste of money stick with a regular. Wasn’t on this site then which leads me to believe our moans are insignificant and all it will do is put other punters off reviewing rather than punting, i.e.
How many UKP members don’t review overpriced WG because of criticism from the likes of me?