To put the record straight, I have not seen, nor have any desire to see Caz again since she fucked me about and the 'condom incident'. I walked past her bf on the way out from the last meeting, he knows what she does, positively encourages it; there may be controlling motives there. I am not going to justify myself to anyone on UKP, I said my stuff early on about being wary. We are all grown ups, we can make our own decisions. In relation to Bitter_Sweet_Emily, 'one mans meat is another mans poison' springs to mind... caveat emptor.