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Why would you be surprised? VT is one of their main fanboys  :hi:

On another thread VT called me a party tout because I dared to say I had a conversation with one of the party organisers while he freely admits to having similar conversations at TPC. So as well as being a fanboy it appears he is a hypocritical fanboy.

I actually don’t have a problem with anyone being a fanboy if the comments are justified. I love parties but because of my domestic situation can only play daytimes. All of the popular daytime parties have their supporters on here and because of their location and pricing structure will appeal to a different client base. I do think VT is a little too enthusiastic in his support of Phoenix. His comment of £32 per girl is bad logic, using similar logic it cost less than a £1 to see The Foo Fighters at Glastonbury last weekend (£238 ticket and over 300 acts).

I would like to see all the daytime parties continue and succeed as depending on your budget, your location and your attitude to numbers/ratio they all have their place
London Adult Party Club - £60 for 10 girls
Bellas Belles - £85 for 6 girls
Rebecca Ryder Parties - £100 for 4 girls
Phoenix - £160 for 5 girls

Back to topic. Phoenix is the most expensive of all the parties and as such should be subject to a higher standard as it charges a premium price which should give a premium service. If those standards are falling then it’s good that someone calls them out and I hope that they are able to hear about the feedback and act accordingly.   

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On another thread VT called me a party tout because I dared to say I had a conversation with one of the party organisers while he freely admits to having similar conversations at TPC. So as well as being a fanboy it appears he is a hypocritical fanboy.

I actually don’t have a problem with anyone being a fanboy if the comments are justified. I love parties but because of my domestic situation can only play daytimes. All of the popular daytime parties have their supporters on here and because of their location and pricing structure will appeal to a different client base. I do think VT is a little too enthusiastic in his support of Phoenix. His comment of £32 per girl is bad logic, using similar logic it cost less than a £1 to see The Foo Fighters at Glastonbury last weekend (£238 ticket and over 300 acts).

I would like to see all the daytime parties continue and succeed as depending on your budget, your location and your attitude to numbers/ratio they all have their place
London Adult Party Club - £60 for 10 girls
Bellas Belles - £85 for 6 girls
Rebecca Ryder Parties - £100 for 4 girls
Phoenix - £160 for 5 girls

Back to topic. Phoenix is the most expensive of all the parties and as such should be subject to a higher standard as it charges a premium price which should give a premium service. If those standards are falling then it’s good that someone calls them out and I hope that they are able to hear about the feedback and act accordingly.

It was the way you pretended to have discovered something new at Bellas-Belles, then revealed that you knew the organisers already that elicited that comment, but it was just a tongue-in-cheek comment, so I hope you weren't too offended!  ;)

I apologise if my support of Phoenix is too enthusiastic, I've had a good run with them and their predecessor LMP, some of my best punting experiences have been there, very rarely come away disappointed, so I am quick to recommend. Nevertheless, I do agree there are issues that could be improved to make them better for punters.

I've tried two of the others you mentioned and reviewed them.

Rebecca Ryder's got a positive, it was fair VFM, but there were issues that the 3:1 ratio threw up and a Bukkake finish that didn't suit me.

Paradise Daytime using the LAPC girls got a neutral from me. You couldn't argue with the value of fucking 4 ladies for £50, but the quality of the ladies was shockingly poor. I do have standards, esp when paying!  :scare:

I also tried GGP when they were nr St Neots last year. That was great VFM although the GB only lasted 1 hr. Debbie is a great host and she had some great girls, but since they lost Emma & Isla, the line-ups don't have the same appeal and their current venues/times are not doable anyway.

I would try Bellas, but I can't get to Sutton as it's completely the wrong side of London for me.

I will keep trying new parties, so yes, bring them on!  :thumbsup:

« Last Edit: July 01, 2017, 09:03:50 am by vt »

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His comment of £32 per girl is bad logic, using similar logic it cost less than a £1 to see The Foo Fighters at Glastonbury last weekend (£238 ticket and over 300 acts).

Now you're the one with the flawed logic.  :rolleyes:

If you could watch all 300 acts at Glastonbury, you could say that you saw each one for less than £1, but I suspect that you would struggle to watch 10 fully, so £23.80 each. Still impressive value if they are 10 good acts.  :thumbsup:

Whereas it's perfectly feasible to get around the 5 girls at Phoenix in 2 hrs, so my logic still stands!  :hi:

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Why would you be surprised? VT is one of their main fanboys  :hi:

He is THE main fanboy mate and can virtually always be relied on to tout and defend TPC. I see he posted on a negative review a punter did on them, basically his usual. :rolleyes:

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On another thread VT called me a party tout because I dared to say I had a conversation with one of the party organisers while he freely admits to having similar conversations at TPC. So as well as being a fanboy it appears he is a hypocritical fanboy.

I actually don’t have a problem with anyone being a fanboy if the comments are justified. I love parties but because of my domestic situation can only play daytimes. All of the popular daytime parties have their supporters on here and because of their location and pricing structure will appeal to a different client base. I do think VT is a little too enthusiastic in his support of Phoenix. His comment of £32 per girl is bad logic, using similar logic it cost less than a £1 to see The Foo Fighters at Glastonbury last weekend (£238 ticket and over 300 acts).

I would like to see all the daytime parties continue and succeed as depending on your budget, your location and your attitude to numbers/ratio they all have their place
London Adult Party Club - £60 for 10 girls
Bellas Belles - £85 for 6 girls
Rebecca Ryder Parties - £100 for 4 girls
Phoenix - £160 for 5 girls

Back to topic. Phoenix is the most expensive of all the parties and as such should be subject to a higher standard as it charges a premium price which should give a premium service. If those standards are falling then it’s good that someone calls them out and I hope that they are able to hear about the feedback and act accordingly.

On your last paragraph I agree, £160 for 2 hours is a lot party wise so for that each and every party should be great in my view, as LMP was for me.

As to VTs shit about £32 what matters is a punter has to pay the £160, he cant elect to pay just £32 so its totally irrelevant in my opinion. But then as their main tout on here he is trying to make them sound better VFM, he is a self confessed receiver of a secret discount off another pimp, Divine who he still punts through and has done reviews on here on some of his WGs. Such punters cant be trusted in my book. :thumbsdown:

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On your last paragraph I agree, £160 for 2 hours is a lot party wise so for that each and every party should be great in my view, as LMP was for me.

As to VTs shit about £32 what matters is a punter has to pay the £160, he cant elect to pay just £32 so its totally irrelevant in my opinion. But then as their main tout on here he is trying to make them sound better VFM, he is a self confessed receiver of a secret discount off another pimp, Divine who he still punts through and has done reviews on here on some of his WGs. Such punters cant be trusted in my book. :thumbsdown:

Service levels are poor enough for punters to report that some of the phoenix whores don't allow sex, making up excuses like too big. Well if you are a whore who is willing to accept £400 a day then you ought to be up to the job. Sales of goods act should be applied.
Barbara''s no touching tits policy is another example. If she ain't up for the job then she shouldn't be taking the money.

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He is THE main fanboy mate and can virtually always be relied on to tout and defend TPC. I see he posted on a negative review a punter did on them, basically his usual. :rolleyes:

I can post where the fuck I like if I've got something relevant to add. I'm allowed to defend something if I believe what is said is untrue, though you will note I haven't disputed much on this thread, there are clearly issues that need attention to improve the punter experience.

You're posting on this thread and you apparently haven't set foot in Phoenix, so what you can actually tell us from your personal experience of the place?


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On your last paragraph I agree, £160 for 2 hours is a lot party wise so for that each and every party should be great in my view, as LMP was for me.

As to VTs shit about £32 what matters is a punter has to pay the £160, he cant elect to pay just £32 so its totally irrelevant in my opinion. But then as their main tout on here he is trying to make them sound better VFM, he is a self confessed receiver of a secret discount off another pimp, Divine who he still punts through and has done reviews on here on some of his WGs. Such punters cant be trusted in my book. :thumbsdown:

You used to recommend LMP to everyone on here, in fact it was partly due to your recommendation that I first took the plunge there in late 2011.

So it was OK for you to recommend them, but I'm not allowed to??  :unknown:


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You used to recommend LMP to everyone on here, in fact it was partly due to your recommendation that I first took the plunge there in late 2011.

So it was OK for you to recommend them, but I'm not allowed to??  :unknown:

Yes I rated and recommended LMP which was virtually universally rated by most punters who went. TPC ISNT LMP, and some on here have posted its not up to standard in their view, as I know from punters I know and trust rather than those I don't like yourself. :rolleyes: But when they do who virtually always turns up, you, and then you agree some things need changing and often add but you had a good time when you recently went. You can post what you like as I can, I don't like pimps arselickers with self confessed previous of taking a secret discount off a pimp, Divine who you still punt through.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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Yes I rated and recommended LMP which was virtually universally rated by most punters who went. TPC ISNT LMP, and some on here have posted its not up to standard in their view, as I know from punters I know and trust rather than those I don't like yourself. :rolleyes: But when they do who virtually always turns up, you, and then you agree some things need changing and often add but you had a good time when you recently went. You can post what you like as I can, I don't like pimps arselickers with self confessed previous of taking a secret discount off a pimp, Divine who you still punt through.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So you're allowed to recycle other punter's opinions about a place you've not visited in years, but I'm not allowed to mention my recent experiences there??  :wacko:

Are you some self-appointed Moderator or something??  :unknown:

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Fuck the sex party let's see Smiths and VT have a punch up  :lol:

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So you're allowed to recycle other punter's opinions about a place you've not visited in years, but I'm not allowed to mention my recent experiences there??  :wacko:

Are you some self-appointed Moderator or something??  :unknown:

Get yourself down to Specsavers, :rolleyes: I said you can post what you like as I can, that's up to you as what I post is up to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Get yourself down to Specsavers, :rolleyes: I said you can post what you like as I can, that's up to you as what I post is up to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Thanks, will continue to do so!  :thumbsup:

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All I can say is with the shit attitude by the management and even worse service by the main WGs

TPC is going

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All I can say is with the shit attitude by the management and even worse service by the main WGs

TPC is going

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I notice it says on their website that they are closing down on Monday...so maybe your prediction has come true?!  :unknown:

Oh no, it's only for a week and reopening on 10th!   :lol:

Change of venue perhaps?  :unknown:

Maybe some other changes??  :)

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I notice it says on their website that they are closing down on Monday...so maybe your prediction has come true?!  :unknown:

Oh no, it's only for a week and reopening on 10th!   :lol:

Change of venue perhaps?  :unknown:

Maybe some other changes??  :)

You still somehow managed to find a way to advertise them.

Hats off to you  :hi:

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before on UKP - I went today (Friday) and I will eventually do a review unlike the other times, but basically the party is being relocated to another venue, that's why next week the party will not be running.

They are moving to a different venue as I stated previously.

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They are moving to a different venue as I stated previously.

Oh right, so you did.

Do you know where?

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You still somehow managed to find a way to advertise them.

Hats off to you  :hi:

Look guys, don't go there if you truly believe it's crap!   :hi:

There'll just be all the more for me when I turn up!   :)

Now you can accuse me of not advertising!  :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: July 02, 2017, 08:06:46 am by vt »

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Like the OP said, let's hope that the change of venue will automatically resolve some of the issues. Hopefully it will be a fresh start.

I am also under the impression that the neighbours had enough. I got a telling off by Em for making too much noise when I popped the other day, saying that the neighbours have been complaining!

Offline jeezyuk

I agree... every time I've attended there has either been a substitution or a reduction in the number of girls.

I don't care if only I show up... I want the same 5 girls! :cool: I can lick, suck, use both hands and I'd enjoy watching some girl on girl while doing so.

If you saw an advert for an iPhone, liked it, paid for one and then realise it's a Samsung ... you'd be gutted!

Business is business. Be consistent - provide what you advertise!

I think some of the girls working recently are a step in the right service direction but don't swap or cut girls and ffs don't send Barbara in the lineup. She was rude to me once when I arrived early and turned me away ... then as I stood by the corner, barely took up my waiting pose ... she let another guy in ... wtf???

I like TPC ... but I don't think Barbara should be involved as a party girl or from my unique experience ... as reception staff. She can prepare the snacks and clean up, take payments etc. - let her be a discreet maid that punters never notice and a lot of people will be happy!

Money must be so good at HOD and TPC that Em and management just don't care much anymore

It's still the best shout in town so I will patronise but I'm allowed to moan haha  :D

I hope the new venue is somewhere similar .. I quite liked the quiet neighbourhood and transport was easy. The actual play room itself needed some uplifting

Fingers crossed! I promise to be one of the first to test it out and report back - provided the lineup mon to wed is decent otherwise I'm overseas
« Last Edit: July 02, 2017, 08:38:46 pm by jeezyuk »

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Like the OP said, let's hope that the change of venue will automatically resolve some of the issues. Hopefully it will be a fresh start.

I am also under the impression that the neighbours had enough. I got a telling off by Em for making too much noise when I popped the other day, saying that the neighbours have been complaining!

Well it can't be one side as that's been empty/undergoing renovations since TPC arrived there. I thought the other side was a summer holiday home for a family from the Middle East, maybe they've arrived and things are getting too hot.  :unknown: 

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I hope the new venue is somewhere similar .. I quite liked the quiet neighbourhood and transport was easy. The actual play room itself needed some uplifting

Fingers crossed! I promise to be one of the first to test it out and report back - provided the lineup mon to wed is decent otherwise I'm overseas

If you do get there, give us the low-down, let us know the approximate location, nearest tube, etc  :thumbsup:

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You have to remember the whole clan of Em and her big boobed twin daughters aka London Kardashians  were on a TV channel 5 recently showing off there entire wealth . A massive Surrey mansion and fast cars to boot All earnt by proper channels of course   :sarcastic: 

Maybe that's why they don't care anymore...
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You have to remember the whole clan of Em and her big boobed twin daughters aka London Kardashians  were on a TV channel 5 recently showing off there entire wealth . A massive Surrey mansion and fast cars to boot All earnt by proper channels of course   :sarcastic: 

Maybe that's why they don't care anymore...

Fml  :wacko: she should put them to work in TPC! I'd like a fuck with them both !

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For what it's worth, I completely agree with the points raised earlier in the thread about Barbara re: her looks. However, I've been to TPC four times with Barbara present three times and each visit she was there she was 'cracking the whip' with the girls, making sure no-one was lazing around. She also joined in a couple of times but she is far less attractive than any of the other WGs I've seen. I also agree with her seeming to be disinterested when participating. She was a good host though, in my experience. Although it's been a while since I've been. I may need to visit again for an update...
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One party I attended had Renata as host, now she was so sweet, friendly & welcoming.
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One party I attended had Renata as host, now she was so sweet, friendly & welcoming.

Can she take cock? Is she attractive? I think ppl said she wasn't very attractive.

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Can she take cock? Is she attractive? I think ppl said she wasn't very attractive.

I've not partied with her, but I believe she does. She's an older Brazilian MILF like Barbara and has a friendly sweet nature. I didn't particularly fancy her, but she made a great hostess that day I met her.

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Renata could definitely take it.

Quite a few dt bjs from her back when I used to attend.

Lovely girl

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Renata could definitely take it.

Quite a few dt bjs from her back when I used to attend.

Lovely girl

I like when they live by the sword haha :wacko:

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Update:

Just been on TPC website and they are opening early - from today/Friday 7July with the crappiest lineup that includes Barbara...

If anyone takes the punt, let us know how the new location is!

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Totall agree with the 'crappiest lineup' part - Barbara and Maria at the same party? No thanks, i'd rather have a wank :-)

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Just wait for VT to come along like Alistair Cambell on how a great line up it is or why you should attend .  :sarcastic:
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I don't know why they even bother with some of these girls when they know we don't want them! :unknown:

Offline Kingy28

Totall agree with the 'crappiest lineup' part - Barbara and Maria at the same party? No thanks, i'd rather have a wank :-)
I'd have to agree. It also included Lila/vera. I know that she has her fans on here who rave about her. I've never found her attractive or been drawn to her personality/demeanor. I dunno why she had to change her name either

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Just wait for VT to come along like Alistair Cambell on how a great line up it is or why you should attend .  :sarcastic:

No, I would only recommend attending when you see a line-up you like the look of.  :hi:

Get back under the bridge you crawled out from!  :wacko:

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I'd have to agree. It also included Lila/vera. I know that she has her fans on here who rave about her. I've never found her attractive or been drawn to her personality/demeanor. I dunno why she had to change her name either

She's a kooky girl, but very sweet. I never saw anyone complaining when she drained their cock with her mouth!  ;)

She definitely wouldn't be first on the list of girls I wouldn't mind losing from the gallery.

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She's a kooky girl, but very sweet. I never saw anyone complaining when she drained their cock with her mouth!  ;)

She definitely wouldn't be first on the list of girls I wouldn't mind losing from the gallery.

She may be sweet. I've been to lots of parties when she's been on & she does nothing for me.
Just out of interest,  who would you like to lose from the gallery?

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She's a kooky girl, but very sweet. I never saw anyone complaining when she drained their cock with her mouth!  ;)

She definitely wouldn't be first on the list of girls I wouldn't mind losing from the gallery.

Got to get your tout post in, TPC will be pleased with you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Got to get your tout post in, TPC will be pleased with you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh you're back!   :hi:

It's hardly a tout when I'm talking about losing girls from the Gallery...I was just saying Vera isn't the worst girl there. You really do have grumpy old man syndrome bad!  :rolleyes:

How about answering my question on that other thread or haven't you come up with anything yet??  :bomb:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=148666.msg1642293#msg1642293




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Oh you're back!   :hi:

It's hardly a tout when I'm talking about losing girls from the Gallery...I was just saying Vera isn't the worst girl there. You really do have grumpy old man syndrome bad!  :rolleyes:

How about answering my question on that other thread or haven't you come up with anything yet??  :bomb:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=148666.msg1642293#msg1642293

You are a pimps arse licker, with self confessed previous for taking a secret discount off a pimp, Divine who you still punt through according to reviews, you cant be trusted in my book, and its my book that I care about. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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It's getting a bit tiresome the continued spat between VT and Smiths, same insults traded each time. I think most sensible people here treat comments from "perceived" touts with a pinch of salt, however they sometimes do have some validity also. Lets get back to subject..... agree what a poor line-up for first day at new place, that will not help the takings, which we all know is the reason for the move, although am sure the management will spin a different story on the reasons for the move.

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You are a pimps arse licker, with self confessed previous for taking a secret discount off a pimp, Divine who you still punt through according to reviews, you cant be trusted in my book, and its my book that I care about. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

I didn't think you had a sensible answer...except trotting out the ancient half-baked insinuations you follow me around the forum with...you really are a sad case, smiths!  :rolleyes:

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It's getting a bit tiresome the continued spat between VT and Smiths, same insults traded each time. I think most sensible people here treat comments from "perceived" touts with a pinch of salt, however they sometimes do have some validity also. Lets get back to subject..... agree what a poor line-up for first day at new place, that will not help the takings, which we all know is the reason for the move, although am sure the management will spin a different story on the reasons for the move.

I agree. I have something to add to TPC threads as I do visit semi-regularly. I'm in agreement with most of what's being said about things that could improve for punter's benefit, though I will post when I see something that I disagree with, it's called a discussion.

Smiths doesn't punt there, so I don't see what he is adding except his attempts to disparage me and recycle information from his 'trusted' sources who can't actually come up with a 'better' alternative party provider.

Punters can check out my record on here. I post on many subjects and I punt in many places, parties, parlours, indies. I'm not affiliated to any provider, but obviously I have my preferences where I choose to spend my hard-earned, but of course these are constantly under review if something I perceive as better comes along.

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I didn't think you had a sensible answer...except trotting out the ancient half-baked insinuations you follow me around the forum with...you really are a sad case, smiths!  :rolleyes:

There aren't many sadder cases in my book than punters who take self confessed secret discounts off pimps, and tout on here trying to drum business up for another pimp. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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I agree. I have something to add to TPC threads as I do visit semi-regularly. I'm in agreement with most of what's being said about things that could improve for punter's benefit, though I will post when I see something that I disagree with, it's called a discussion.

Smiths doesn't punt there, so I don't see what he is adding except his attempts to disparage me and recycle information from his 'trusted' sources who can't actually come up with a 'better' alternative party provider.

Punters can check out my record on here. I post on many subjects and I punt in many places, parties, parlours, indies. I'm not affiliated to any provider, but obviously I have my preferences where I choose to spend my hard-earned, but of course these are constantly under review if something I perceive as better comes along.

I can post on any thread I wish to as can you, its fuck all business of yours what threads I post on. I know your record on here, a TPC pimps arse licker. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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There aren't many sadder cases in my book than punters who take self confessed secret discounts off pimps, and tout on here trying to drum business up for another pimp. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

I do neither, all my punting is done with my own hard-earned, but don't let that get in the way of your sad delusions!  :rolleyes:

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I can post on any thread I wish to as can you, its fuck all business of yours what threads I post on. I know your record on here, a TPC pimps arse licker. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Yes, you've already said that ad nauseam. I suppose if you think that if you keep repeating the same half-baked insinuations, someone might start to believe you.

Yes, I'll continue adding to the discussion, you keep on posting your detractions and we'll let other members decide which has merit.

But still you won't answer the awkward question on the other thread, will you?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=148666.msg1642293#msg1642293

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Yes, you've already said that ad nauseam. I suppose if you think that if you keep repeating the same half-baked insinuations, someone might start to believe you.

Yes, I'll continue adding to the discussion, you keep on posting your detractions and we'll let other members decide which has merit.

But still you won't answer the awkward question on the other thread, will you?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=148666.msg1642293#msg1642293

I don't jump to your tune you pimps arselicker. Stuff you advice about where and what I should post where the sun doesn't shine. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: