De-fluffing

[Kristina]

As most pro$$ies will not report it to the police thats why so they get to practice their sick hobby and hone their skills before starting on woman in the civvie world.  SO many girls think the police will either blame them or treat them like crap or even out them so they do not report these guys when in fact the opposite is true.  They take it very seriously as they know damn well it could be a new offender trying to get it right before he attacks someone who will report it

Make no mistake about it I would not hesitate to report anything like this to the police.  With full details, I have no shame in what I do and would not hold anything back, especially in the interst of general safety. I would encourage all WG to do the same we are here to do a job not take physical abuse. Fortunately I have not been in this situation and touch wood I won't be.

[Hogan]

I've just read a thread on Saafe that has removed any vestiges of fluffiness that I may have had.

There is much worse in their hidden Bilge and Bile forum which is unaccessible to the public.
I post on saafe as a prossie so have access to it.
Apart from the constant whinging of selling their holes, complaining about lack of work and slagging off their clients in their secret forum, they also talk about scamming and outing punters, like this post:

Track down his real name,
{& where he works would be especially good}
Set up a website with both his real and punting name,  :o
and copies of the correspondence.
Ideally get a copy printed and put on the staff canteen notice board.  ;D
Go and have afternoon tea with his parents and tell them you are sooo disappointed with their son.

[Hogan]

And in their hidden forum they really love to slag off this site (especially JRC):
This post by one of their mods called EmilyJones:

If that forum exists, it's probably like UKP and has about 10 members, all of whom I'd rather not meet - so that may not affect your business much at all.

[softlad]

Track down his real name,
{& where he works would be especially good}
Set up a website with both his real and punting name,  :o
and copies of the correspondence.
Ideally get a copy printed and put on the staff canteen notice board.  ;D
Go and have afternoon tea with his parents and tell them you are sooo disappointed with their son.

Nothing surprises me with that lot...

[Matium]

There is much worse in their hidden Bilge and Bile forum which is unaccessible to the public.
I post on saafe as a prossie so have access to it.
Apart from the constant whinging of selling their holes, complaining about lack of work and slagging off their clients in their secret forum, they also talk about scamming and outing punters, like this post:

Track down his real name,
{& where he works would be especially good}
Set up a website with both his real and punting name,  :o
and copies of the correspondence.
Ideally get a copy printed and put on the staff canteen notice board.  ;D
Go and have afternoon tea with his parents and tell them you are sooo disappointed with their son.

We should set up a blacklist of Saafe prossies.

[rangersburd]

There is much worse in their hidden Bilge and Bile forum which is unaccessible to the public.
I post on saafe as a prossie so have access to it.
Apart from the constant whinging of selling their holes, complaining about lack of work and slagging off their clients in their secret forum, they also talk about scamming and outing punters, like this post:

Track down his real name,
{& where he works would be especially good}
Set up a website with both his real and punting name,  :o
and copies of the correspondence.
Ideally get a copy printed and put on the staff canteen notice board.  ;D
Go and have afternoon tea with his parents and tell them you are sooo disappointed with their son.

ffs they need locked up 

[Jimmyredcab]

And in their hidden forum they really love to slag off this site (especially JRC):

That gives me an immense amount of pleasure, if I am getting under their skin it shows I am doing a good job, they really are the lowest form of human life, pure scum. 

[morningstar]

The lowest form of life? Pure scum?

I usually reserve those terms of paedophiles and murderers.

Not for some lame women that bitch and moan about some guys.

Both these boards serve useful functions to the audience that they cater for but as with all forums; or any online platforms which allow for anonymous engagement; there will always be a percentage that just talk crap and only bring about negative and helpful comments. So what? Does bitching about the bitching help?

*Just my opinion as always, not personally attacking or trying to belittle anyone*

[GlasgowGirl]

This is a forum to serve punter's interests, Saafe is a forum to serve prostitute's interests. It's as simple as that.

Why go on about how vile it is to use tactics to get punters to finish quicker, or slag off clients, when on here there are plenty of comments slagging off prostitutes in general (pretty much every post posted by James  ) and also posts on how to manipulate punting situations to the punter's advantage.

I don't particularly think the highlighted threads give a very good impression of service providers, but likewise, some of the threads on here paint punters in the worst possible light.

The mods on the Saafe forum quickly shut down any negative comments about other boards made on there because they don't want to be involved in petty "board wars" (see mod Amy's last post on TK's locked thread "the lowest of the low") . Perhaps it would be a good idea to stop fueling the pettiness instead of starting threads about what people are writing on other boards  :timeout

[James999]

This is a forum to serve punter's interests, Saafe is a forum to serve prostitute's interests. It's as simple as that.

Why go on about how vile it is to use tactics to get punters to finish quicker, or slag off clients,

Because they are the PROVIDERS and the punters the Customers, you have all sorts of websites to compare supermarket prices / offers etc for the consumer that's fine, but if Tesco ran a website sugegsting to other retailers how to rip off custoners that would be frowned upon.

The fact that you think it's acceptable to try and rip people off speaks volumes for the type of person you are 

[GlasgowGirl]

Where exactly did I indicate I think it's acceptable to rip people off ?  .

And the vast majority of your posts speak volumes about the type of person you are  Either that or your persona is some kind of weird invented parody!

I simply said that Saafe is a forum for prossies, this is a forum for punters. They don't get involved in some of the vile things written on here, so why the need to get involved with some of the vile things they write on there (and yes, a minority of them do write some pretty vile things, I'm not contesting that)? It's simply human nature - each 'side' will try to get the most out of the transaction for themselves they can. Rip-off prostitutes won't last very long because they won't get repeat bookings. 

Also, can you really compare it to Tescos?  , come on!

Wonder what happened to Matty? He was always good on these type of threads . . . .

[James999]

And the vast majority of your posts speak volumes about the type of person you are

Nice of you to say so  I pride myself in being straight talking and calling a spade a spade 

Wonder what happened to Matty?

If he didn't message you to tell you then perhaps he did nto find you as interesting as you think you are 

[foresight]

Where exactly did I indicate I think it's acceptable to rip people off ?  .

And the vast majority of your posts speak volumes about the type of person you are  Either that or your persona is some kind of weird invented parody!

I simply said that Saafe is a forum for prossies, this is a forum for punters. They don't get involved in some of the vile things written on here, so why the need to get involved with some of the vile things they write on there (and yes, a minority of them do write some pretty vile things, I'm not contesting that)? It's simply human nature - each 'side' will try to get the most out of the transaction for themselves they can. Rip-off prostitutes won't last very long because they won't get repeat bookings. 

Also, can you really compare it to Tescos?  , come on!.

You are quite right, of course.  However have you considered how James et al would pass their days if they did not search out posts on other forums to whine about and profiles to run down and insult?

Petty, really but then I guess you have to fill your time somehow, sitting at home on benefits

[Matium]

This is a forum to serve punter's interests, Saafe is a forum to serve prostitute's interests. It's as simple as that.

Why go on about how vile it is to use tactics to get punters to finish quicker, or slag off clients, when on here there are plenty of comments slagging off prostitutes in general and also posts on how to manipulate punting situations to the punter's advantage.

I don't particularly think the highlighted threads give a very good impression of service providers, but likewise, some of the threads on here paint punters in the worst possible light.

The mods on the Saafe forum quickly shut down any negative comments about other boards made on there because they don't want to be involved in petty "board wars" (see mod Amy's last post on TK's locked thread "the lowest of the low") .

There is a crucial difference, every criticism we make of prostitutes is out here on the public boards, everybody can see it, discuss it and debate it and if a WG feels she has been unjustly criticised, she can come and write a refutation.

Compare that to Saafe, the prostitutes save their criticism and harsh words, slagging men off on a board that we are not even allowed to see, the "Bilge and Bile" board. Isn't that just being two faced? No man can defend himself, men aren't even allowed to join (apart from gay and tranny hookers).

Who knows what kind of slanderous things are being said on Saafe on their hidden board?

Thanks to Hogan, we have an inkling.

The UKP moderators try very hard to be fair, and not let any personal considerations come into play when considering posts (I do know about this so you'll have to trust me on this).

As for the Saafe moderators, however, they are the greatest hypocrites, just look at the comment by the Saafe moderator quoted by Hogan.

[James999]

You are quite right, of course.  However have you considered how James et al would pass their days if they did not search out posts on other forums to whine about and profiles to run down and insult?

Petty, really but then I guess you have to fill your time somehow, sitting at home on benefits

Ironic that all you contribute is sniping at other posters, but well lets hope it helps with your issues 

And accusing GlasgowGirl of being on benefits, that will piss her off big time 

[Jimmyredcab]

The lowest form of life? Pure scum?

Yes, absolutely, let me repeat it -------- lowest form of human life, pure scum.

Do you have a problem with that.  ?????

[foresight]

And accusing GlasgowGirl of being on benefits, that will piss her off big time 

Usual trick, deliberately misinterpreting a post.
Did it to her, did it to me, do it to everybody.
Not clever, just boring.

[foresight]

@

[AnthG]

I simply said that Saafe is a forum for prossies, this is a forum for punters. They don't get involved in some of the vile things written on here, so why the need to get involved with some of the vile things they write on there (and yes, a minority of them do write some pretty vile things, I'm not contesting that)? It's simply human nature - each 'side' will try to get the most out of the transaction for themselves they can. Rip-off prostitutes won't last very long because they won't get repeat bookings. 

The thing is if I or anyone went onto %%% and said Escorts are not good business people. They would both rip me to shreds and demand an explanation from me as to why not.

This is the number one explanation as to why not. Think of any other industry or service provider that has forums or any other means to ridicule and speak vile of their customers?

If there were a Plumber, Taxi Driver, Police Officer, Baker forum where those people ridiculed their customers it would be a pretty scandal when the press found out. And yet for escorts its considered norm. So much norm that the Saafe forum is there open for the world to see.

The escorts of Saafe in this specific thread like to talk about business when it comes to money and getting paid. And yet when it comes to other aspects of the customer/business relationship that does not appeal to them they look over that.

To be a businesswomen its not a take the bits you like and not the rest, its a all or nothing thing. And the number 1 rule of business is don't ridicule customers. Ever.

[Fatpro$$ie]

And in their hidden forum they really love to slag off this site (especially JRC):

I do not particularly like SAAFE but I am a member and do read it now and then and do not recall anyone loving to slag off JRC anywhere.  UKP has been mentioned by a couple of girls because they got bad feedback on here but no one slags off JRC and I know the mods would delete it if they did as it would be reported immediately as names are not be used on the forum

2posts to your name and both trying to cause upset between here and SAAFE excuse me if I think you have an ulterior motive but it seems quite clear as you are picking up stupid comments made and posting them but not the reason why they were made or the more realistic responses to them. 

[GlasgowGirl]

There is a crucial difference, every criticism we make of prostitutes is out here on the public boards, everybody can see it, discuss it and debate it and if a WG feels she has been unjustly criticised, she can come and write a refutation

Of course there is a hidden board on here also. I'd eat my own hat if there wasn't a hidden board(s) on here 

[AnthG]

Of course there is a hidden board on here also. I'd eat my own hat if there wasn't a hidden board(s) on here 

Well all I will say is I am not part of it.

[GlasgowGirl]

The thing is if I or anyone went onto %%% and said Escorts are not good business people. They would both rip me to shreds and demand an explanation from me as to why not.

This is the number one explanation as to why not. Think of any other industry or service provider that has forums or any other means to ridicule and speak vile of their customers?

If there were a Plumber, Taxi Driver, Police Officer, Baker forum where those people ridiculed their customers it would be a pretty scandal when the press found out. And yet for escorts its considered norm. So much norm that the Saafe forum is there open for the world to see.

The escorts of Saafe in this specific thread like to talk about business when it comes to money and getting paid. And yet when it comes to other aspects of the customer/business relationship that does not appeal to them they look over that.

To be a businesswomen its not a take the bits you like and not the rest, its a all or nothing thing. And the number 1 rule of business is don't ridicule customers. Ever.

Very good points.

I'd say some escorts are good business people (think Paris B) , some are not.

Your last point is a good one. However, I am CERTAIN that many people in customer service jobs do ridicule their customers, right? Of course they do, I've heard it hundreds of times. They just do it between friends, not publicly or using their 'business name' - now that would be seriously bad business sense!

As an aside, if you are in a customer service job (like prostitution), you shouldn't be going crazy and spouting off every time someone asks a silly question or doesn't read your advert properly or whatever. But this does not extend to having to put up with blatant verbal abuse - no-one should have to put up with that, whatever they do.

[GlasgowGirl]

Well OK Adam 

You are a moderator with only 5 posts (from yesterday / today) and a total of 11 minutes online since joining in 2010?

Do the mods posts get wiped like an internet history every couple of days? mine don't (genuine question, not having a go)

x

[AnthG]

But she posts different on SAAFE and PN's hidden forums. She thinks we don't have access to those sections, but we do and can read her posts. Yet the stupid cunt has the gall to email me requesting threads like this be deleted. Fuck off and die bitch 

%%% has hidden forums too?

How do you get to be a member in them? Do you need to be an escort. Or is it from a certain number of posts to get access?

I am banned from %%% so would never stand a chance of getting into it. This is just really just my being nosey/curious. It just seems odd why they would have hidden forums is all.

[morningstar]

But she posts different on SAAFE and PN's hidden forums. She thinks we don't have access to those sections, but we do and can read her posts. Yet the stupid cunt has the gall to email me requesting threads like this be deleted. Fuck off and die bitch 
[/quote]

stupid cunt?
fuck and die bitch?

REALLY necessary? can't you just oh she's an annoying cow or something; it's not like she is ruining your life; she is just being annoying.

I just think people need to chill a bit 

[GlasgowGirl]

Fuck off and die bitch 

Perhaps a bit harsh, no? 


Anth, I have no access to any hidden forums on PN but have heard rumours about there being some. Met a moderator from there a couple of times but nothing remarkable was said. 


After reading all this, I say fuck being a moderator on any forum, having to deal with all this nonsense. The way I see it is that Saafe is a forum ran for the best interests of escorts and helping to keep newbies safe, this forum is a forum for the best interests of punters, and PN is probably somewhere in the middle. I really don't see what all the fuss and 'enemy' stuff is all about - surely we all know the real deal here? It's a service, GFE is a pretend thing, if an SP gives a consistently good service and doesn't misrepresent herself then she will have much better success long term than an SP who is out to rip people off. What is the big problem with having forums for both 'sides' of the coin? There is some nasty slagging off of prostitutes, both individually and collectively, on here. There is some nasty slagging off of punters, both individually and collectively, on there. I don't see the big deal, unless everyone on here was nothing but lovely about prostitutes and no uncalled-for nastiness, then really the way I see it is there is no right to complain about what escorts write on their own forums. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones type of analogy? As far as I'm aware discussions of other forums or derogatory comments about other forums is banned on saafe and that is enforced. No-one on there would be allowed to start threads like the few we've had on here about saafe threads, unless it is within these mysterious 7 hidden sections? (I read saafe but rarely ever post, I've only ever seen the main boards there).

[Matium]

No-one on there would be allowed to start threads like the few we've had on here about saafe threads, unless it is within these mysterious 7 hidden sections? (I read saafe but rarely ever post, I've only ever seen the main boards there).

You're obviously too fluffy for Saafe and Prossienet then.

 

You have to post a lot before they trust you with the hard stuff.

[AnthG]

You're obviously too fluffy for Saafe and Prossienet then.

Serious but rhetorical question. Why is being a nice person and a good escort considered "fluffy" and thus seemingly a bad quality.

The question is not directed at you Matium. Its just odd how good escorts get treat with disdain by the bad.

If %%% has a secret section there will probably be about 6 members to it. And everyone would guess those 6 easily.

[softlad]

If %%% has a secret section there will probably be about 6 members to it.

You'd be surprised how many members there are...

[Jimmyredcab]

Of course there is a hidden board on here also. I'd eat my own hat if there wasn't a hidden board(s) on here 

OK, read this slowly.

THERE ARE NO HIDDEN BOARDS ON UKPUNTING, apart from the moderators board.

Would you like some salt and vinegar with that hat of yours.   

If anyone can prove otherwise I am happy to resign as moderator.

[Ali Katt]

PN is probably somewhere in the middle

It wasn't nicknamed prossienet for nothing.

[Jimmyredcab]

Before UKP was formed, PN's Inner Circle was supposed to be a safe place for organising socials (no problem with that)

I was a member of that "Inner Circle" until UKPunting was formed ------ the prostitute moderators and JKay forced Galahad to throw me out.   

Prostitutes now run %%%, that is a fact.

[morningstar]

Someone recently let slip that we know, so thought might as well make it public now and get a few things off my chest 

At least I have the balls to post what I think publicly. Unlike that nasty two-faced bitch.

Great; that's not what I was worried about; it's the fact that you feel you have to say such harsh words to get your point across;
she may be two-faced but it doesn't mean you have to tell her to die, I don't know even know this woman but I just think it is very sad and pathetic that a grown man needs to resort to such poor language. 

[James999]

Well all I will say is I am not part of it.

Anth, we can't let you into these things as you just play to nice, and after falling under the charms of some Pro$$ie who says "you can trust me" you will spill the lot, then they will try harder to get in and likely report the Yahoogroup etc, it's just not worht the risk, I'm sure you understand 

[sucky2dollar]

Many of the pro$$ies on SAAFE are the equivelent of some of our more hardline members here, just on the other end of the spectrum.

The important thing is both extremes are free from any sort of illusion. The only people who are getting the bad end of the deal are fluffies who are smack bang in the middle and actually think performing reverse oral for 30 mins, buying expensive gifts or taking the prostitute for an expensive dinner will somehow prove how special they are.  The reality is the fluffy is just her 1 o clock, and while he is writing his abc's downstairs she is thinking about her next gucci bag, what a looser he is and how long she has to wipe down her fanny and push him out the door before her 2 o clock arrives.

Nothing on Saafe should shock you, it's about as real and blunt as the advice you would get here. The only difference though is no one here will encourage you to exploit a prostitute but over there - there are so many arsehole pro$$ies who advise new girls how to timewaste etc and those giving this advice are the ones with very dusty phones because their attitudes stink.

There are some escorts who enjoy the profession for what it is rather than what it entails but my god they are few and far between, and i'm damn sure none of them are members of Saafe.

[ParisB]

 i dont post on ANY anti men posts anywhere as i happen to like men in general and have a healthy respect for them    (plus i know what keeps me in my very comfortable lifestyle so what is the point in bitching to much about the hand that feeds you )

 But i did say that imo some regulars can often be the worse for manipulation or trying to rip you off but this  i think is more in the case of that because your comfortable with them the lines and boundry can be blurred than someone you dont know at all
 
  In my experience a regular client is more likely to push and probably get more time / special favors and deals which for me isnt any big deal if they are regular clients  I will regulary go out of my way for someone that i know and have met before as opposed to someone i have never met before


I also said that she ( the escort in the post) needed to put it behind her and chalk it up to experience because that all she can do realistically

         

[AnthG]

In my experience a regular client is more likely to push and probably get more time / special favors and deals which for me isnt any big deal if they are regular clients  I will regulary go out of my way for someone that i know and have met before as opposed to someone i have never met before

But the question then exists is why is this such a bad thing. As has been commented the topic on Saafe for there is no work is huge and many of the escorts are complaining about lack of bookings due to the recession.

With a regular you know this person is not some violent creep. You know he is not a time waster. You know he will keep booking.

So why is it such a bad thing that this regular because he puts some commitment to rebooking you he should not want a bit of extra time for his money or a bit of a discount.

Think about it. Fine the guy may want a £20 discount for his booking etc. But in the long run £20 off £120 is better than a timewaster booking and not showing up at all?

Many of these escorts cannot possibly prefer to get a booking from a brand new person over someone they have saw previously.

[GlasgowGirl]

With a regular you know this person is not some violent creep. You know he is not a time waster. You know he will keep booking.

Not necessarily. A notable percentage of attacks and especially stalking are committed by regular clients, those known to the victim. The Ugly Mug Police Reports are full of them. Occasionally, a punter will develop unrequited feelings for a prossie which will then turn to anger if he cannot get what he wants. Often attacks are committed by someone well known to local prostitutes (but usually they would have a bit of a rep for strange behaviour but not bad enough for the WGs to stop seeing him, think Steve Wright, the crossbow killer, various parlour reports).

You don't know he will keep booking either. Regulars vanish often. They may get bored, find someone they like better, get frustrated if you are fully booked or unavailable to see them and move on (I've had guys act hard done by and say they really want to see me, but if I'm not available then suddenly they have feedback from someone else - it's the nature of the business), maybe they start a new relationship, move away, happens all the time.

I do offer special offers and services to those who have been before and those who have good aw feedbacks, but that's mainly because I offer very limited services with not much room for variety (positions, activities etc) so like to offer a small incentive for customers to return. I wouldn't give any extra time because IMO that's where boundaries begin to get blurred and the piss starts to get taken, however I certainly wouldn't short anyone's time. 

[Daffodil]

But the question then exists is why is this such a bad thing. As has been commented the topic on Saafe for there is no work is huge and many of the escorts are complaining about lack of bookings due to the recession.

With a regular you know this person is not some violent creep. You know he is not a time waster. You know he will keep booking.

So why is it such a bad thing that this regular because he puts some commitment to rebooking you he should not want a bit of extra time for his money or a bit of a discount.

Think about it. Fine the guy may want a £20 discount for his booking etc. But in the long run £20 off £120 is better than a timewaster booking and not showing up at all?

Many of these escorts cannot possibly prefer to get a booking from a brand new person over someone they have saw previously.

Anybody with any brains can understand this. And therein lies the problem. Pro$$ies are not particularly intelligent or well educated (or why would they be doing the 'job' that they are?) so don't expect them to understand even the most basic principles of business.

In addition, I would suggest that punters are possibly of above average education and intelligence or how else would we be able to earn enough to have the disposable income to spend on pro$$ies? Even during a recession. As such, what can seem to be pretty simple ideas to us may not be so simple to others.

A second problem is that pro$$ies tend to live for the here and now. They want their new shoes/handbag/necklace/coke/cigarettes right now and they don't care too much about the future.

Disclaimer: The above are generalisations and probably do not apply to every single prostitute. I know this and do not need to be told. I am sure there are plenty who are very intelligent and excellent business women and could do any job in the world that they want yada yada yada 

[Matium]

there are plenty who are very intelligent and excellent business women and could do any job in the world that they want

The only trouble is, intelligent and educated business women do not become prostitutes.

You only have to look at Mumsnet to see the disgust that ordinary women have for prostitutes.

[AnthG]

Not necessarily. A notable percentage of attacks and especially stalking are committed by regular clients, those known to the victim.

Yes but Escorting is a very risky job. And I will go out on a limb to say it is a bigger risk to an escort to see a new client than it is to see one she has saw before.

The Saafe warnings and time wasters sections is from what I can see mostly filled with new problems arising from clients as opposed to good clients turning bad. There will be a few reports of good clients going bad. But I would probably say 9:1 ratio or at most 7:3.

You don't know he will keep booking either. Regulars vanish often. They may get bored, find someone they like better, get frustrated if you are fully booked or unavailable to see them and move on (I've had guys act hard done by and say they really want to see me, but if I'm not available then suddenly they have feedback from someone else - it's the nature of the business), maybe they start a new relationship, move away, happens all the time.

That is because the escort is not managing regulars properly. I remember from my business courses with the Open University the most important aspect of a sale that will get a resale is the after sales service the customer gets.

I can bet if an escort offered incentives to regulars she will have a shed load of happy regulars.

Plus thinking of psychology 101 if an escort makes it clear she has schemes in place for regulars. This will make it clear to the guy that she must have a lot of regulars. And thus less likely to form these unrequited feelings girls are so worried about.

Think about it. A guy sees and escort a bunch of times. He does not know about other punters and pays the regular amount each time so he starts to think he is in with a shot.

A guy sees an escort a few times and she tells him that she has a thing she does with all her regulars where she drops the prices after 3 bookings for them.

Which one of the above two scanarios will keep the guy in the client/professional relationship mode more?

[AnthG]

Because of Matiums comment about Mumsnet (which I don't believe they represent ordinary people) I googled this and came across a great article.

Its a PDF document

External Link/Members Only

Some of the advice is hilarious/shockingly bad.

Under how to find good clients and avoid the bad. it advises as a few of the suggestions

1. Have some personally identifyable information about them. Such as a phone number of place of work. Call them at their phone number or place of work 

2. Do they sound intelligent on the phone or sound like a red neck?

And after the two bad ideas. This one is good.

3. When you see a good client get their contact information to send them discounts! 99% of service providers don't do it so if you do it there will already be a much higher chance the will see you again. Add their email address to a mailing list to send them updates.

1 and 2 is stupid. Number 3 is good.

Think about being an escort. You got a punters email address and permission to email it. On the 25th May you have booked a fancy hotel for a client to do an outcall (many escorts do this) and for the rest of the day can take bookings there as you paid for the day. Would it be a good idea to message all your clients and say. "If you book with me on the 25th you can see me at this good hotel as part of the booking".

Or how about. Guys I have just bought a new PVR rubber latex uniform. And if you book me on the 26th all incalls will be met with me at the door wearing it.

It takes seconds to setup a mailing list. Its free advertising.

[Jimmyredcab]

You only have to look at Mumsnet to see the disgust that ordinary women have for prostitutes.

I expect they have the same contempt for punters ------ without us there would be no pro$$ies.

[sucky2dollar]

I expect they have the same contempt for punters ------ without us there would be no pro$$ies.

I disagree, there are and will always be plenty of women that have sex with guys in exchange for something material they want.

[GlasgowGirl]

Yes but Escorting is a very risky job. And I will go out on a limb to say it is a bigger risk to an escort to see a new client than it is to see one she has saw before.

The Saafe warnings and time wasters sections is from what I can see mostly filled with new problems arising from clients as opposed to good clients turning bad. There will be a few reports of good clients going bad. But I would probably say 9:1 ratio or at most 7:3.

That is because the escort is not managing regulars properly. I remember from my business courses with the Open University the most important aspect of a sale that will get a resale is the after sales service the customer gets.

I can bet if an escort offered incentives to regulars she will have a shed load of happy regulars.

Plus thinking of psychology 101 if an escort makes it clear she has schemes in place for regulars. This will make it clear to the guy that she must have a lot of regulars. And thus less likely to form these unrequited feelings girls are so worried about

Think about it. A guy sees and escort a bunch of times. He does not know about other punters and pays the regular amount each time so he starts to think he is in with a shot

A guy sees an escort a few times and she tells him that she has a thing she does with all her regulars where she drops the prices after 3 bookings for them

Which one of the above two scanarios will keep the guy in the client/professional relationship mode more?

No, there are plenty of reports of regulars turning into stalkers (has happened to myself on more than one occasion). Also lots of warnings begin with the words "I had seen this guy a couple of times before...." . Yes, it's a risky business indeed and that is one of the reasons I would support small 'co-ops' or parlours being legalised (like in NZ, it's legal for a few women to work together).

Very good point (in bold). I don't think it would deter all the stalker types, but it would certainly help.

[James999]

No, there are plenty of reports of regulars turning into stalkers

Can you link a few of them, could make interesting reading 

[Jimmyredcab]

Legal parlours would not deter stalkers, in any case very few Indies would want to share their earnings with a brothel owner. 

[smiths]

Legal parlours would not deter stalkers, in any case very few Indies would want to share their earnings with a brothel owner.

In NZ i hear WGs only offer OW going on the rules laid down, a wank is more fun than that to me, so if they were legalised over here i hope that wouldnt happen. It should be the WGs free choice in my view.

What i believe would happen is prices would go up as with anything where the government sticks its beak into, they would be inspecting and monitoring these brothels and pass that cost on to the consumer, us.

[James999]

Legal parlours would not deter stalkers, in any case very few Indies would want to share their earnings with a brothel owner.

And the tax man 

And have to be tested on a regular basis 

And potentially be unable to claim banefits 

And be accountable for their actions 

Not very appealing for the average pro$$ie, when you consider she can have a profile on AW for nothing, get free accomodation and tax free income, and of course no employer to be accountable to