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Offline smiths

No, there are plenty of reports of regulars turning into stalkers (has happened to myself on more than one occasion). Also lots of warnings begin with the words "I had seen this guy a couple of times before...." . Yes, it's a risky business indeed and that is one of the reasons I would support small 'co-ops' or parlours being legalised (like in NZ, it's legal for a few women to work together).

Very good point (in bold). I don't think it would deter all the stalker types, but it would certainly help.

I support WGs being able to work together if they so wish and brothels properly run to be legalised with non-criminals and scumbags not being allowed to own or manage some like happens here now. An enhanced CRB check should be standard in my view as a minimum.  I would also like to see a regulator that a punter could complain to if he received bad service or was scammed/ripped-off. A major disadvantage to it being legalised for at least some WGs is they  wouldnt so easily be able to drift in and out of doing it anonymously as some can now leaving no trace. Thats on top of having to all pay tax and give up benefits so be completely honest and legal. Fantasy i know but i hope this will one day become reality.

Filth like the people that run Gentlemens Parties who lied and fucked me over are exactly the type that shouldnt be allowed to own or manage a brothel, in fact in their case cleaning toilets is about their maximum skill level given their brain power. The owner is so dense i doubt he would even be able to manage that job.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2012, 01:22:51 pm by smiths »

Offline Jimmyredcab

In NZ i hear WGs only offer OW going on the rules laid down.

In reality very hard to enforce.

Anyone remember Sunni Tara and giggles parlour, she had that rule but that didn't stop me getting OWO for a small supplement.  ;)

GlasgowGirl

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I said I would support the law allowing WGs to work together for safety - that's all. Because safety is the most important thing. I used the example of NZ because as far as I'm aware the co-ops are limited to 2/3 women registered as working from the premises (a SOOB, or small owner-operated brothel) - there are no checks or bans on anything, the only stipulation is that they are registered, or else they will get busted for an illegal operation. It's only if the number of women is above 3 then the place has to be registered as a "brothel" which is where the employment laws, promotion and enforcement of safe sex (ie OW only, although yes this would be very difficult to enforce!) apply and as far as I'm aware this is to stop people setting up brothels with huge volumes of foot traffic in residential areas.

So 2/3 women want to work together for safety and split the bills = independents just working together. 3 or more women = employees of a brothel - if you want to be an employee of a brothel and not independent you would go for this option. I imagine that this isn't a bad way of operating. Also, although Sex Work is recognised, no-one is forced to come off their benefits to take up a sex work job, which is the argument given by a lot of antis - that unemployed people would be forced to sell sex or lose their benefits. More tax revenue for the country as well when sex workers have to be registered and pay tax to avoid the law coming down on them.

As for having that 'record' for life - your records are confidential anyway and if it's legalised then there would be less stigma. My medical records are covered in Sex Work blah blah blah, reason for Hep A+B vaccination - Sex Worker. Doesn't bother me much because it's not likely that my granny etc will be getting hold of my medical records any time soon! If it wasn't illegal then of course there would be no reason for it to come up on a CRB check (or the NZ equivalent), because since it's not illegal there can be no conviction.


I personally wouldn't work without security or someone else ,WG or otherwise, on the premises. To me, it seems crazy and nerve-wracking to invite lots of random strangers to be completely alone with you in a house / their house. Not because I think punters are 'bad' (vast majority wouldn't dream of hurting you in any way), but because of the sheer numbers increasing the probability and also the anonymity involved (you don't know anything about the person, who if male is statistically much stronger than you). I am aware that is probably an unpopular view among most indie WGs though.

     
« Last Edit: May 06, 2012, 06:37:28 pm by GlasgowGirl »

James999

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Yeah like pro$$ies can trust each other  :lol:

hollierose-x

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Saafe & Ukpunting should defintley have a social gathering!  :drinks:

Mancspunter

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the attitudes on here towards escorts are disguating.saafe has been a godsend for me and many others x

How are they disgusting? Give us an example? We dont sugar coat our views because we don't have to but I wouldn't say they were disgusting.

James999

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the attitudes on here towards escorts are disguating.saafe has been a godsend for me and many others x

Going to School would have been a better use of your time  :hi:

Offline AnthG

Going to School would have been a better use of your time  :hi:
In this day and age no it wouldn't have. Most university graduates work in menial jobs that don't need a degree to get.

the attitudes on here towards escorts are disguating.saafe has been a godsend for me and many others x
And you need to see what the topic was about. The original issue that caused this topic about the escort who treat this punter poorly was quite appalling.
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hollierose-x

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The only trouble is, intelligent and educated business women do not become prostitutes.

You only have to look at Mumsnet to see the disgust that ordinary women have for prostitutes.

How vile, I just looked on "Mumsnet" at some of the threads regarding escorting, they look down on it, because they haven't got the guts to do it! How degrading to say, Intelligent women do not become prostitutes when the women who introduced me to this world, had infact 4 businesses. (and believe me, you have to have a certain level of intelligence to succeed in this line of work!
 Call us whatever you want.

But let's all just cut the bullshit.

We need men, just as much as you men need us!

Let's not argue  :dancegirl: :wackogirl:

Offline AnthG

How vile, I just looked on "Mumsnet" at some of the threads regarding escorting, they look down on it, because they haven't got the guts to do it! How degrading to say, Intelligent women do not become prostitutes when the women who introduced me to this world, had infact 4 businesses. (and believe me, you have to have a certain level of intelligence to succeed in this line of work!

Agree with this. Like I have previously said (I think in this topic) I do not think Mumsnet reflects the real population, or even close to it. I would honestly say ignore it.

The problem is Escorting has negative stigmas attached to it. People make (wrong) assumptions about it until they are educated about it. And the problem is many refuse to be educated about it so stick in a situation of pig headed denial.

Around 14 months ago my honest belief was escorts were all drug users with little respect for themselves. I honestly shudder to think that I had though this way. But it is the stereotyping that this profession has.

My honest advice is don't worry about what those you cannot convince otherwise think. Those that are interesting will read up about escorting from this forum, from saafe and from all other places on the internet and realize and respect the profession.
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Offline Jimmyredcab

How vile, I just looked on "Mumsnet" at some of the threads regarding escorting, they look down on it, because they haven't got the guts to do it!


Not sure it is about having no guts to be a prostitute, some women join the armed forces and fight in Afghanistan but would never consider being a prostitute.

Offline NIK

the attitudes on here towards escorts are disguating.saafe has been a godsend for me and many others x

Well if exposing scams and poor service providers is 'disgusting' presumably you condone them?

And as the attitudes on Saafe and Prossienet, to name but two, towards punters are disgusting, maybe UKP attempts to redress the balance.

James999

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How vile, I just looked on "Mumsnet" at some of the threads regarding escorting, they look down on it, because they haven't got the guts to do it! Ho

It's not about having the guts to do it, most pro$$ies have resorted to it out of deseperation. it's not a matter of having guits of making a business decision.

So I am sorry to piss on your chips but their reaction is perfectly normal  :hi:

softlad

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maybe UKP attempts to redress the balance.

We are the bright lights in a dark shady industry, long may we continue the good fight against shoddy SP's.  :drinks:

Offline Matium

the attitudes on here towards escorts are disguating.

If you believe that prostitutes should be above criticism then perhaps you and your girlie friends would find Prossienet more to your liking?

morningstar

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Well if exposing scams and poor service providers is 'disgusting' presumably you condone them?

And as the attitudes on Saafe and Prossienet, to name but two, towards punters are disgusting, maybe UKP attempts to redress the balance.

Does it really redress the balance? Or is it merely a forum for equally bitchy people to also rant? (not taking away from all the good things that UKP offers). I just don't think it is better or more helpful than Saafe or Prossienet or any others sites ''on the other side of the fence''.

Offline NIK

Does it really redress the balance? Or is it merely a forum for equally bitchy people to also rant? (not taking away from all the good things that UKP offers). I just don't think it is better or more helpful than Saafe or Prossienet or any others sites ''on the other side of the fence''.

It is for punters and that is our primary concern.

hollierose-x

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Not sure it is about having no guts to be a prostitute, some women join the armed forces and fight in Afghanistan but would never consider being a prostitute.

Would rather "rent my bits" then watch innocent people in their country get torn apart!

I LOVE MY JOB, and would rather do this, then have to resort to "mumsnet" because I'm lonely, and had kids at the wrong time, and look down on women enjoying their life :)
All hail, Pro$$ies! If it wasn't for us, you lot wouldn't have this website?!

morningstar

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It is for punters and that is our primary concern.

NOT the point I was trying to make; I was questing whether it actually redresses the balance or is equally unhelpful like certain forms of Saafe/Prossienet.

Offline AnthG

or is equally unhelpful like certain forms of Saafe/Prossienet.
Personally speaking I would not say Saafe is unhelpful. And I would question anyone who suggests it is. I do not think anyone has ever said Saafe at its core is unhelpful.

The only problem with Saafe, which this thread and others highlight, is sometimes the advice that is given is given by people (escorts) who are themselves posting on the forum complaining about no business because they themselves have the wrong attitudes to this work (they despise it) or do those practices themselves that cause people to not want to book with them meaning its foolish to just automatically accept their advice.

This thread about the very generous punter and the clear misunderstanding this escort was given terrible advice.

With regards to this forum. I have been here since before my very first punt and I have found it a godsend. I have also been a member of %%% and found it moderately helpful. But mostly hair-pulling annoying as its kind of draconian the way its run and very intimidating - I was called a troll more times that I have from every other forum I have been on in my entire internet history combined and multiplied exponentially. That attitude cannot in anyway be helpful to punters.
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ParisB

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I have no problem in giving a regular client that i know and like and get on with a special offer  ect and i do frequently  with no problems with it  however  it has to come from me offering it and wanting to do it not being told that i should do it because they are regualar 
i have a client  that i have known for over 10 years -  i wont tell you want i charge him -  but go back and read my early field reports and i charge him less than those prices on there 
 
I dont complain about lack of bookings as im generally more than busy
 i do a special offer on daytimes only  at set time so im not going to drop below that price as its already a good deal with and i have no need to
 however if it a regular client and they want to see me in the evening then i generally offering them the daytime rate as apposed to the evening rate which is a saving of 30 quid to them 
   Ive been in this business a  long time and know the value of keeping good clients and marketing myself thats mainly the advice that i will give to others on safe  its only however  my opinion and it might not work for everyone but it works for me pretty well 

 What i was saying is that client that you have seen before are sometimes more likely to push the boundaries whether its physically or financially 

But the question then exists is why is this such a bad thing. As has been commented the topic on Saafe for there is no work is huge and many of the escorts are complaining about lack of bookings due to the recession.

With a regular you know this person is not some violent creep. You know he is not a time waster. You know he will keep booking.

So why is it such a bad thing that this regular because he puts some commitment to rebooking you he should not want a bit of extra time for his money or a bit of a discount.

Think about it. Fine the guy may want a £20 discount for his booking etc. But in the long run £20 off £120 is better than a timewaster booking and not showing up at all?

Many of these escorts cannot possibly prefer to get a booking from a brand new person over someone they have saw previously.

ParisB

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 i have had a mailing list for several years

i use it to promote my tours my special offers and new photos 
it has over 1000 plus members and they get a little newsletter from me every week even when im holiday
it keeps them up to date with where i am ect and yes it dose bring me in business

 
Because of Matiums comment about Mumsnet (which I don't believe they represent ordinary people) I googled this and came across a great article.

Its a PDF document

External Link/Members Only

Some of the advice is hilarious/shockingly bad.

Under how to find good clients and avoid the bad. it advises as a few of the suggestions

1. Have some personally identifyable information about them. Such as a phone number of place of work. Call them at their phone number or place of work  :scare:

2. Do they sound intelligent on the phone or sound like a red neck?

And after the two bad ideas. This one is good.

3. When you see a good client get their contact information to send them discounts! 99% of service providers don't do it so if you do it there will already be a much higher chance the will see you again. Add their email address to a mailing list to send them updates.

1 and 2 is stupid. Number 3 is good.

Think about being an escort. You got a punters email address and permission to email it. On the 25th May you have booked a fancy hotel for a client to do an outcall (many escorts do this) and for the rest of the day can take bookings there as you paid for the day. Would it be a good idea to message all your clients and say. "If you book with me on the 25th you can see me at this good hotel as part of the booking".

Or how about. Guys I have just bought a new PVR rubber latex uniform. And if you book me on the 26th all incalls will be met with me at the door wearing it.

It takes seconds to setup a mailing list. Its free advertising.

Offline NIK

Would rather "rent my bits" then watch innocent people in their country get torn apart!

I LOVE MY JOB, and would rather do this, then have to resort to "mumsnet" because I'm lonely, and had kids at the wrong time, and look down on women enjoying their life :)
All hail, Pro$$ies! If it wasn't for us, you lot wouldn't have this website?!

Very true, but if it wasn't for us you wouldn't have a living.

After punting for thirty years I have given up. Through circumstances rather than choice. When I was punting furiously a few years ago I couldn't have conceived how I could survive, but in truth it hasn't been that difficult at all, after all there was a time as a young man when I didn't punt.
I just try to forget the good ones and think back to the many bad ones and it helps me cope easily.

I know it won't happen, but just imagine what would prossies do if every punter just stopped as I have done?
(Similarly, I often wonder what the bloody government would do if we all stopped buying fuel for a month.)

As someone said I believe earlier in this thread the bottom line is that prossies and punters need each other, so there shouldn't be all this bickering.

Then again if all service providers provided a decent service and scams and rip off weren't brushed under the carpet as they are on so many other forums it woild solve a lot of problems.

Yes thre are plenty of good prostitutes but there are also plenty who are so poor they ought to be doing something else.

Offline AnthG

I am banned from %%% so would never stand a chance of getting into it.

For those that maybe curious. I decided and sent an email late last week asking for my account to possibly be unbanned. And today they have said ok. But I am on permanent Pre-mod. Which is ok.
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James999

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For those that maybe curious. I decided and sent an email late last week asking for my account to possibly be unbanned. And today they have said ok. But I am on permanent Pre-mod. Which is ok.

Anth, Grow a pair, being on premod simply means they will only allow you to post after they have vetted it and it suits them, Fuck them, just start a new account get it through premod and post as a free man !  :hi:

Offline AnthG

Anth, Grow a pair, being on premod simply means they will only allow you to post after they have vetted it and it suits them, Fuck them, just start a new account get it through premod and post as a free man !  :hi:
No its ok.  I doubt I would be posting *that* frequently to make it an issue. I am just going to take some of the benefits. i.e there are a few Newcastle people there to get advice about some of the agencies from.

External Link/Members Only

Is one I am very curious about.

And being the eternal optimist. I am actually thinking of possible benefits. Maybe they will correct any spelling and grammar mistakes in my posts before putting them on the forum.  :)

Or if I say something that can be misconstrued its intentions and took the wrong way and get offended over (as escorts invariable do on Pnet) maybe they will reword it in a more easy to follow manor.

See benefits of premod are endless :)
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James999

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If you are on Premod change yoru signature to "This post is approved and endorsed by the Moderators"   :hi:

Offline AnthG

If you are on Premod change yoru signature to "This post is approved and endorsed by the Moderators"   :hi:
Getting a bit juvenile with my ideas now. But what I should do is mess around a bit and see if they notice or not and let it go through the premod.

So for example put insults in this colour

Or another example put a link to a website

External Link/Members Only
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Offline Cuntminion

This is first I have heard of saafe time to

Getsome popcorn on, open a beer and have a good ol read

Offline jimmytick

Check these threads out, so two faced;

External Link/Members Only - Complaining that she sucked a guys dick who appeared to have a STD, none of the girls advised her to stop working until tested!

External Link/Members Only - Split condom, again no one suggested she should stop fucking for money until guaranteed to be clean.

External Link/Members Only - this one complains about a guy ordering a outcall with kids in bed....... yet this one External Link/Members Only is a prossie who has kids in bed and lets guys come over and fuck her.

Offline AgedCases

With the money they charge, they can easily live on one punter a day and give outstanding service rather than a conveyor belt of shit service shags.

Offline AnthG

With the money they charge, they can easily live on one punter a day and give outstanding service rather than a conveyor belt of shit service shags.

Agree, a person on minimum wage working 9 till 5.30pm only comes out with £50 per day for that. And there is travel expenses there and back to come out of it too. They survive.

And to prove this, for 21+ year olds minimum wage is  £6.50 per hour

£6.50 x 8.5 = £55.25 per day. But there is 20% PAYE and holiday stamp to come from that. And £4 per day bus fares there and back too. A person will come away with possbile £35 per day after that for 8.5 hrs of hard slog.

That is not even one 30 min booking cash in hand for a prostitute.
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Offline Cuntminion

I was naive I read saafe for an insight, cane away feeling like this

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kingkong

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Silly bint doesn't know when she is onto a good thing.