De-fluffing

[Melb]

I've just read a thread on Saafe that has removed any vestiges of fluffiness that I may have had.
In a nutshell:

A prossie has a regular who showered her with gifts (some expensive); booked her many times i.e. paid over stacks of money and has offered to take her away on an expenses-paid trip. But the last session he didn't pay her for being part of a 3some where she just watched and didn't get shagged. This prossie asked for advice on the forum.

The other prossies then ran this guy down and told her to demand her money. One comment says "he is punishing you". They also ran down regulars as being the worst for manipulation.

So, this prossie started off with good feelings for her nice client (soft cunt IMO) and was converted into despising him and all regulars.

I used to be a little fluffy on occasions until I got some experience and learned a lot from UKP.
This business is a steel claw wrapped up in a velvet glove.

[Daffodil]

Turkeys voting for Christmas. If they can not recognise this fluffy punter as the cash cow he is then they need to get in the real world. My advice would have been to let him get away with this one as she is onto a good thing here.

They may of course have spotted this guy's obvious weakness however and know that he's likely to pay up without a fuss anyway...and probably apologise with a gift or two as well.

[James999]

That short sighted attitude towards regulars just shows how stupid they are, and why they are unable to get / sustain a normal job and as such rely on benefits and selling their holes 

[Matium]

Saafe is a Sisterhood site and, as such, contempt for punters is par for the course.

Perhaps some of the prostitutes who post here and there can explain the logic (if any) behind their thinking.

[rangersburd]

there is hee haw logic about it, some have more faces than a clock

[Jimmyredcab]

Saafe is a Sisterhood site and, as such, contempt for punters is par for the course.

SPOT ON
If you have a good client in ANY business you should make allowances, the problem with most pro$$ies is that they can only see as far as today instead of looking at possible future revenue.
Saafe is the total opposite of UKPunting, they will always take the side of the pro$$ie.

[Matium]

I think the very worst topic that Saafe has ever had, was that one on OAP punters.

One after another the girls weighed in making fun of their elderly clients and griping about how long it took them to get erect, or simply being unable to.

What is truly shocking is that the men they were making fun of belong to a generation who believe in treating women with decorum, courtesy and respect and many had given the WGs gifts as well as their fee and yet despite all of that, they were mercilessly mocked.

Perhaps somebody should tell those girls that making fun of your customers is not good business sense - just ask Gerald Ratner that.

[Jimmyredcab]

Perhaps somebody should tell those girls that making fun of your customers is not good business sense - just ask Gerald Ratner that.

Yes quite, but most WG's have no business acumen, that is why they end up renting out their bodies into old age.   

[Tannhauser]

I've just read a thread on Saafe that has removed any vestiges of fluffiness that I may have had.
In a nutshell:

A prossie has a regular who showered her with gifts (some expensive); booked her many times i.e. paid over stacks of money and has offered to take her away on an expenses-paid trip. But the last session he didn't pay her for being part of a 3some where she just watched and didn't get shagged. This prossie asked for advice on the forum.

The other prossies then ran this guy down and told her to demand her money. One comment says "he is punishing you". They also ran down regulars as being the worst for manipulation.

So, this prossie started off with good feelings for her nice client (soft cunt IMO) and was converted into despising him and all regulars.

I used to be a little fluffy on occasions until I got some experience and learned a lot from UKP.
This business is a steel claw wrapped up in a velvet glove.

Just read the thread in total. Have to agree with Melb. Any traces of my 'fluffiness' has now rapidily disintegrated. Sad that they should bite the hand that feeds them with quite such venom 

[AnthG]

Is there anyway you can link to the topic to give a read over?

I tried google searching for it but using the terms in your post could not find it. But I did come across an odd article from saafe as a hit to the search terms I used that stood out. Its rather old but figured people may still do this.

How timely is this.
I received an email over the weekend with what's now becoming my new favourite line I'm loving to hate, "what's your best price?" In this case it was for an overnight.
First of all I wrote back and said my prices are as stated on my website. He wrote back and asked if I would reconsider.
I had a think about it and I came up with what I thought was a decent compromise: He could have a fee-reduced overnight, but shorter on time. I.e. if he wants it for less money, I'll be happy to do it, for less hours. Still stay overnight, but leave much earlier in the morning than I would otherwise do; don't stay for breakfast, etc. I asked him to write back to let me know if he was happy with that.
Obviously not because I haven't heard from since. Which leads me to think that he still wants the same full service, but at a reduced price. He doesn't want much, does he?

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So this guy was looking for an overnight. Likely around a thousand pounds that would be, and for lack of a better description she got arsey over him asking if it were possible for a little discount off her stated price by saying she will effectively leave at the crack of dawn if he wants to pay this much.

The oddest was the last line where she seemingly wants a high five for saying he still is looking around for an overnight but not with her due to that.

The thing thats odd is

1. Would it not have been better to take a £100/£200 less discount to get a £1000 for an overnight (surely you had nothing else on that night). And plus statistically speaking someone who pays someone he has not met before for a overnight is someone maybe liable to rebook.

2. Or if it was not possible to drop prices you could have managed it better than being insulting saying then ok how about I leave before breakfast then if you don't want to pay my full amount.

What she could have done was said, "no sorry hun I cannot drop my price, but believe me I have had many overnights with guys before and trust me I have made it worth the cost stated on my profile page".

That would have meant the guy would have been more inclined to pay the full price. Or at least let him decide to only book you for less hours than a full overnight.

[Matium]

Is there anyway you can link to the topic to give a read over?

This is the Saafe thread.

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She admits she didn't take part in the threesome but still wants money for it! He was quite right not to pay her as she didn't do any "work".

Note that she admits receiving expensive presents from him.

[Matium]

If you follow the thread you'll see how the girls weigh in against regulars, one girl even says that the regular, involved in this case, had robbed her!

None of those girls seem to understand that they need regulars in order to have a successful business.

[AnthG]

Jesus. I only read the first two replies Ana30 was so seriously bad and Mellow's (that's not the same mellow who used to be here is it?) was also terrible.

This one line from the original poster sums it up to a tee.

I'm worried, since he gave me two very expensive gifts that night, maybe he thinks he paid me with those? Or cause we didn't have sex

The answer to that immediately reminded me of the Robert Newman (from Newman and Baddiel) standup joke where he said when he wants to buy a dictionary he is forced to buy a £20 enormous book having words like Tree in there. And saying he would write his own dictionary and change it to "don't be so fucking stupid you know what a tree is, its a tree".

She did not need to ask this question. It was so obvious she has a good thing going here. And the fact that she has messaged him an "awkward but necessary" warning.

*Edit* Reading the replies. It has to be a joke thread. Noway can that be real replies "So feel for you, being robbed by this regular client of yours."

[Matium]

Edit* Reading the replies. It has to be a joke thread. Noway can that be real replies "So feel for you, being robbed by this regular client of yours."

Sadly, it's a real thread and all the girls were being deadly serious.

I hope this opens the eyes of those punters who think they can get some special consideration by being a fluffy.

[James999]

Sadly, it's a real thread and all the girls were being deadly serious.

Not sure about the term Girls with regard to that site, it seems to be populated mainly by the old, the fat & the washed up prossies and the odd Trannie 

[Daffodil]

Jesus. I only read the first two replies Ana30 was so seriously bad and Mellow's (that's not the same mellow who used to be here is it?) was also terrible.

This one line from the original poster sums it up to a tee.

The answer to that immediately reminded me of the Robert Newman (from Newman and Baddiel) standup joke where he said when he wants to buy a dictionary he is forced to buy a £20 enormous book having words like Tree in there. And saying he would write his own dictionary and change it to "don't be so fucking stupid you know what a tree is, its a tree".

She did not need to ask this question. It was so obvious she has a good thing going here. And the fact that she has messaged him an "awkward but necessary" warning.

*Edit* Reading the replies. It has to be a joke thread. Noway can that be real replies "So feel for you, being robbed by this regular client of yours."

This is their mentality though. They think they're doing us a favour.

What they forget is that if we didn't have pro$$ies we'd have to work a little harder for our sex and maybe not get the exact sex/girl we want. Hardly life changing. If pro$$ies didn't have punters, however, they would be stacking shelves or cleaning toilets.

[softlad]

Saafe is the total opposite of UKPunting, they will always take the side of the pro$$ie.

One big difference is we look out for each other, were those bitter old slags would stitch up any of their so called sisters for the sake of a trick...
Lying two faced bitches the lot of 'em...   

Up the Brotherhood...

[AnthG]

From the OP

I did know the other working girl but had met her through him on a separate occasion. I talked to her and apparently she spent the night and he only paid her for two hours. what a git! So we both agreed we wont see him again. It's a shame cause i thought he'd be a good regular but it seems he doesn't like paying girls for sex and so thinks after showering them with gifts he'll end up in a friends with bens situation.

But surely that other escort would have had no problem with that or she wouldn't have spent the night? Or if she was also paid on leaving she would have said the next morning this is not enough.

The original post was seemingly implying as the taxi came to take her home confusion arose and he did not pay her for the night so she was asking what to do.

I highly doubt the same confusion arose the next day with the other escort.

So why both agree he is robbing them and not to see him no more afterwards. It holds no logic.

The only logic that could arise was because they did not take payment up front confusion arose with both them and the paying guy so as he was so generious in the past chalk it up to a lesson to get payment up front.

Don't start demanding money from the guy or then decide you wont see him no more. It is seriously flawed logic.

[Daffodil]

From the OP

But surely that other escort would have had no problem with that or she wouldn't have spent the night? Or if she was also paid on leaving she would have said the next morning this is not enough.

The original post was seemingly implying as the taxi came to take her home confusion arose and he did not pay her for the night so she was asking what to do.

I highly doubt the same confusion arose the next day with the other escort.

So why both agree he is robbing them and not to see him no more afterwards. It holds no logic.

The only logic that could arise was because they did not take payment up front confusion arose with both them and the paying guy so as he was so generious in the past chalk it up to a lesson to get payment up front.

Don't start demanding money from the guy or then decide you wont see him no more. It is seriously flawed logic.

This seems to be a time in the punter-prossie encounter that is fraught with difficulties. Eh, Enzio?

[softlad]

This seems to be a time in the punter-prossie encounter that is fraught with difficulties. Eh, Enzio?

Don't mention Kettlegate....

[M1nty]

Surely, as all the girls state "you are paying for my time, anything else that happens is incidental". If he booked the girl, then he should pay her, even if he chose not to shag her. A sensible bloke would have cleared the activities / price of the session beforehand. Or am I missing something?

[Daffodil]

Surely, as all the girls state "you are paying for my time, anything else that happens is incidental". If he booked the girl, then he should pay her, even if he chose not to shag her. A sensible bloke would have cleared the activities / price of the session beforehand. Or am I missing something?

This is a bullshit statement trotted out by pro$$ies who fear a perceived, although not actual, legal threat.

If you booked a pro$$ie for an hour and during which time she did not have any form of sexual contact with you and said, 'Well, you knew you were only paying for my time', would you be happy?

[M1nty]

No but it was his choice not to fuck. If someone, for example, booked you as a plumber for an hour and then said that they didn't want you to fix their pipes or whatever, you'd still expect to be paid wouldn't you?

[James999]

Surely, as all the girls state "you are paying for my time, anything else that happens is incidental".

The only ones that state that are the very stupid ones that don't know the law and just copy other pro$$ies 

[AnthG]

Surely, as all the girls state "you are paying for my time, anything else that happens is incidental". If he booked the girl, then he should pay her, even if he chose not to shag her.

Yes you are right. But this is a very unique situation.

The punter had been; "always been super generous, taking me out to expensive restaurants, he gave me a smartphone and gifts worth several hundred pounds. "

[A smart phone is either an Iphone, Samsung Galaxy or HTC Desire (a screen that is controlled by swiping a finger) the cheapest price for a smart phone is £400. ]

The punter that night; he gave me two very expensive gifts that night,

And they; didn't have sex

When it came time for payment; I didn't want to offend him while the taxi was waiting [so she clearly didn't ask for payment]

And in the future he has; invited me on a trip away "all expenses paid"

This is a very unique situation. This is the punter escorts only dream to have. This is the punter other escorts get jelous over and screw other escorts over just to try to get for themselves.

And over a clear and total misunderstanding that she herself caused by not taking payment up front, not asking for money at the end. She now starts sending demanding messages demanding for payment.

And then saying as he did not instantly reply she is done with seeing him again. - wasn't the original question she gave to him of him paying her fee for this time alongside that of when they go away together. So again he will be thinking to pay it then maybe. And now it seems she has changed that to I will never see him again and also got his other girl he likes to see to stop seeing him too. For what.

It is something that honestly annoys you when you read it as it is so dumb and greedy.

[Matium]

Surely, as all the girls state "you are paying for my time, anything else that happens is incidental".

Prostitution is legal in Britain, apart from brothels, so the girls are quite safe.

However, the servers that host most girls' websites tend to be in America, where prostitution is illegal, so the girls have to go through the rigmarole of adding that disclosure.

[James999]

Prostitution is legal in Britain, apart from brothels,

Not quite correct, it is not illegal for the pro$$ie to work in the brothel or for a guy to visit a brothel (unless the girl is forced etc) 

[Daffodil]

No but it was his choice not to fuck. If someone, for example, booked you as a plumber for an hour and then said that they didn't want you to fix their pipes or whatever, you'd still expect to be paid wouldn't you?

It is not stated if he chose to or not. She states she just watched. Maybe that was the vibe she gave out? Completely disinterested. We only have one side of the story and he may have been totally dissatisfied with her performance.

[James999]

Sounds like the guys bored with her and moving on to "Fresh meat" and she has realised this and is pissed off 

He probably hasn't replied to her as he is not interested in her, the amusing thing is the other pro$$ies support her on line yet would snap the guy up as a regular if they could   

[AnthG]

He probably hasn't replied to her as he is not interested in her, the amuzing thing is the other pro$$ies support her on line yet would snap the guy up as a regular if they could   

He probably hasn't replied as after all those, 'he has robbed you', 'he is deceiving you', 'playing you' type replies she has received in the thread she likely sent him a very unpleasantly toned message demanding the money or she wont see him no more and this guy has had his bubble burst big time and thought I spent a fortune on gifts for you and you act like this. Bye then.

[whiterussian]

dont know about cleaning, stacking shelves etc.  Theres fit birds workin in chippy's now, theres one up the road from me where it does'nt matter what night you go in you are guaranteed a boner.

I remember the times when it used to be greasy buffy's that worked in chippys.  Now its fit birds with skin tight leggings and see through tops.

The chippy is always busy

[Matium]

Not sure about the term Girls with regard to that site, it seems to be populated mainly by the old, the fat & the washed up prossies and the odd Trannie 

I know.

But the hags of Saafe really, really hate it when you call them a "girl", which, of course, means I do exactly that.

 

[hammer8]

Wow,  she states that he is a well paying regular who also gives her frequent gifts that are worth hundreds of pounds.

She then manages to end that all by sending a bitchy text demanding money for a session in which she didn't actually have sex.

And this is a good result for her?    She loses a great customer, loses a big chunk of her income and this is a good thing? I almost think the other posters were deliberately giving her bad advice, but no, I think they really are that short sighted and deeply stupid.  Certainly, their attitude of doing punters a favour is pretty sickening.  And then they wonder why the punters stop coming!

[Bangers and Gash]

''So anyway I don't know what he's thinking but for me it's not about the money it's about the fact that I did sex stuff with him without any money exchanging hands and it makes me feel quite icky. Does that make sense?''



Isn't that what the gready cow was bitching about in the first place. The fact she never got PAID ????


At least now, instead of getting flash gifts, bookings to fancy restaurants and holidays she can spend the time sitting in her council flat with a 14'' portable for company. 


I bet the crusty old hags on Saafe are pissing themselves laughing after screwing over one of their 'sisters'. Maybe one or two pro$$ies have PM'd the OP to get his contact details, under the pretence of blacklisting him 

[James999]

Maybe one or two pro$$ies have PM'd the OP to get his contact details, under the pretence of blacklisting him 

When Pro$$ies see a guy with cash they are drawn like flies around shit, they have no loyalty to each other and would trample another pro$$ie in the chase for that elusive booking, it is amusing how so many are so stupid that they do not realise this 

[AnthG]

I did sex stuff with him without any money exchanging hands and it makes me feel quite icky. Does that make sense?''

So she has also said she is repulsed by him too.

The guy is probably one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. Just low on confidence and she has done all this to him, and also don't forget convinced the other girl to never see him again too. For what, for being daft enough to not get payment up front. And just walking out and leaving and not asking for payment at the end.

The people of saafe it seems all read this forum. Surely someone from there can see how stupid/malicious this escort and the replies have been.

I am someone who quite often sides with the escorts point of view but this to me is up there as the stupidest things an escort could have done. Surely someone from Saafe can see that too?

[Bangers and Gash]

When Pro$$ies see a guy with cash they are drawn like flies around shit, they have no loyalty to each other and would trample another pro$$ie in the chase for that elusive booking, it is amusing how so many are so stupid that they do not realise this 

I know exactly what you mean. When first starting to punt I was quite disturbed how pro$$ies were only to quick to try and steal away [on the sly] a long term friend/co-workers regular clients, all in the persuit of financial gain. 

[Kristina]

Not quite correct, it is not illegal for the pro$$ie to work in the brothel or for a guy to visit a brothel (unless the girl is forced etc) 

Prostitution is legal in the UK.  However let me give an example, I work from my home and I am the only the girl/prossie/ hooker what ever you choose to call me it all means the same - working from here and it is all above board and legal no problems.  As soon as another girl works from the same premises it becomes illegal and the property then becomes classed as a brothel, that is when the problems start. 

[James999]

Prostitution is legal in the UK.  However let me give an example, I work from my home and I am the only the girl/prossie/ hooker what ever you choose to call me it all means the same - working from here and it is all above board and legal no problems.  As soon as another girl works from the same premises it becomes illegal and the property then becomes classed as a brothel, that is when the problems start.

You seem to have replicated what I said, the example is meaningless we know that it becomes a brothel, but it is not illegal for a pro$$ie to work in a brothel or a client to visit the brothel.

But apart from all of that what do the council think of you working from their property ?

[Matium]

I am the only the girl/prossie/ hooker what ever you choose to call me it all means the same

What?!

You mean you're not a Courtesan? Companion? High Class, Elite and Exclusive?

 

[AnthG]

As soon as another girl works from the same premises it becomes illegal and the property then becomes classed as a brothel, that is when the problems start.

I have saw a few escorts who on chatting have been adamant two girls is ok. Its when there are three at the same time when it becomes illegal under brothel laws.

Pretty much every agency has two girls working from a flat at the same time.

[Matium]

I have saw a few escorts who on chatting have been adamant two girls is ok. Its when there are three at the same time when it becomes illegal under brothel laws.

Pretty much every agency has two girls working from a flat at the same time.

HoD have gotten away with it for years and they're hugely profitable too.

Still, I suppose it depends on how cosy you are with the Police.

[AnthG]

HoD have gotten away with it for years and they're hugely profitable too.

Still, I suppose it depends on how cosy you are with the Police.

Does anyone actually have a link to the current government laws page for it

I found this from 2006 that is interesting

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The law is to be changed to allow up to three prostitutes to work legally in brothels, the Government confirmed today.

Currently only one prostitute can offer paid sex without breaking the law.

Wonder if this law ever went through?

[James999]

I have saw a few escorts who on chatting have been adamant two girls is ok.

Seeking legal opinion from someone who swallows spunk for a living is not wise 

[Kristina]

What?!

You mean you're not a Courtesan? Companion? High Class, Elite and Exclusive?

 

Choose what you like to call me I am not that fussy! LOL  We all do the same thing

[James999]

Let's not forget that Brothels attrcat crime, be it from drugs / theft and of course they become targets for robbers

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[Jimmyredcab]

No but it was his choice not to fuck. If someone, for example, booked you as a plumber for an hour and then said that they didn't want you to fix their pipes or whatever, you'd still expect to be paid wouldn't you?

YES BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT YOUR PLUMBER EXPENSIVE GIFTS.

Jesus H Christ,give me strength.   

[AnthG]

If someone, for example, booked you as a plumber for an hour and then said that they didn't want you to fix their pipes or whatever, you'd still expect to be paid wouldn't you?

An actual plumber can confirm this but if someone booked a plumber for an hour to fix some pipes and the hour went by and they couldn't/haven't fixed those pipes I don't think they charge anything unless they were unscrupulous cowboy trader.

[Jimmyredcab]

I have saw a few escorts who on chatting have been adamant two girls is ok. Its when there are three at the same time when it becomes illegal under brothel laws.

Pretty much every agency has two girls working from a flat at the same time.

Clearly those girls didn't study Law at "Uni".

Two or more girls working from the same flat makes it a brothel, normally the police will turn a blind eye as long as they don't get any complaints.

[smiths]

I have saw a few escorts who on chatting have been adamant two girls is ok. Its when there are three at the same time when it becomes illegal under brothel laws.

Pretty much every agency has two girls working from a flat at the same time.

Its wise to find out how the law might affect both WGs and punters before punting or offering paid sex in my opinion.

If there is more than one WG or even only one WG at any one time but using the same premises as each other on different days its a brothel.

Its staggering how many people on punting forums dont know or believe this fact.

As to this topic, i only expect what i pay for, sex in exchange for my money, if i get more all the better but i am not deluded enough to think its more than just a job for many WGs, and why should it be more. They are primarily if not wholly WGs to earn money, as long as honest and offering a good service if they get complete and utter mugs splashing their cash on them why should they turn it down. Clearly there is no need to be nasty or abusive about these mugs though anymore than i wish to get abusive about WGs as a whole, i save my vitriol for bad SPs including one who is a member on here, who wouldnt know or want to put the punter first, fucking piece of scum.