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Offline blubon

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Hi my name is Kevin; I’m a junior developer at a Television company called Zig Zag http://www.zigzag.uk.com/.

I can already feel half of you rolling your eyes at this so I’m just going to cut straight to the point. We want to make a one off documentary for Channel 4 (yes, I know they have a bit of a shitty reputation when it comes to representing sex workers but hear me out). The show is called “Yes, I Pay for Sex” and as you can guess it’s about people who pay for sex. Now, before you all go jumping down my throat (pun unintended), this show is focused on more than just the average punter. We want to look at ALL the types of people who pay for sex, men, women, transgendered, young, old, rich, poor, disabled, gay, straight, bi, single, married, couples and widowed.

This show is about disputing the stereotype people have of punters and instead give the actual people who pay for sex a platform to genuinely share their reasons & experiences of using a prostitute. We’re not interested in judging or condemning the practise, there’s already 100 shows that do that shit. This is about trying to understand.

We’ve already been in contact with a few contributors who are interested in taking part in the show. For example, George McCoy (who I’m sure most of you already know) and Unit 8 massage parlour in Sheffield; as they can help put us get in contact with their disabled punters, especially military veterans handicapped due to combat. We’re also talking to Dr Sarah Kingston at Lancaster University, an advocate for legalising sex workers, who’s currently conducting a nationwide study on women who pay for sex. There’s a whole bunch of people we’re working with and I’m just using these examples to show that we’re genuine about shedding a different and diverse light on the subject.

Before you ask; no we can’t pay anyone for their time, this is a documentary, paying contributors compromises the validity of the programme or some shit like that.  If you would want to promote something RELATED to the subject, that may be a possible but at most you could just mention the product or the service, you couldn't specifically advertise as that would be product placement. And of course, if you don’t want to reveal your identity then you can appear on the show anonymously. And no, I've never been with a sex worker myself, but I it's support decriminalisation.

I know that television is seen as the great Satan on here and that it has the reputation of being untrustworthy. Speaking around to the people who were involved in A Very British Brothel, I get that a lot of people felt misrepresented. I don’t know what the producer’s intentions were for that show, but I can tell you ours, to know why people pay for sex, straight from the horse’s mouth.

We gain nothing from sugar coating or censoring what any of you have to say.  In fact, I’m not going to lie, the more honest you guys are the better it is for our ratings and publicity, because that’s what television is all about. I can’t promise you that everything you say will make it on air. The reality of the matter is we’ll focus on the most surprising and outlandish stuff, but we won’t misrepresent you or take what you said out of context. We’re not interested in reinforcing stereotypes because the truth is, no one is going to watch a TV show that just tells them what they already suspect, people want to watch a show that surprises them. Besides, Zig Zag already has a history of making controversial TV so we’re prepared for the backlash we may get for representing unpopular opinions.

So if after the barrage of justifiable insults and put downs I’ll get on this message board, there are still some of you who are genuinely interested or you have any questions, then please contact me either by email at kevin.muyolo@zigzag.uk.com or you can Zis Zag on 020 7017 8755 and ask for Kevin.

Cheers

Kevin

Offline Diehard

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Hi my name is Kevin; I’m a junior developer at a Television company called Zig Zag http://www.zigzag.uk.com/.

I can already feel half of you rolling your eyes at this so I’m just going to cut straight to the point. We want to make a one off documentary for Channel 4 (yes, I know they have a bit of a shitty reputation when it comes to representing sex workers but hear me out). The show is called “Yes, I Pay for Sex” and as you can guess it’s about people who pay for sex. Now, before you all go jumping down my throat (pun unintended), this show is focused on more than just the average punter. We want to look at ALL the types of people who pay for sex, men, women, transgendered, young, old, rich, poor, disabled, gay, straight, bi, single, married, couples and widowed.

This show is about disputing the stereotype people have of punters and instead give the actual people who pay for sex a platform to genuinely share their reasons & experiences of using a prostitute. We’re not interested in judging or condemning the practise, there’s already 100 shows that do that shit. This is about trying to understand.

We’ve already been in contact with a few contributors who are interested in taking part in the show. For example, George McCoy (who I’m sure most of you already know) and Unit 8 massage parlour in Sheffield; as they can help put us get in contact with their disabled punters, especially military veterans handicapped due to combat. We’re also talking to Dr Sarah Kingston at Lancaster University, an advocate for legalising sex workers, who’s currently conducting a nationwide study on women who pay for sex. There’s a whole bunch of people we’re working with and I’m just using these examples to show that we’re genuine about shedding a different and diverse light on the subject.

Before you ask; no we can’t pay anyone for their time, this is a documentary, paying contributors compromises the validity of the programme or some shit like that.  If you would want to promote something RELATED to the subject, that may be a possible but at most you could just mention the product or the service, you couldn't specifically advertise as that would be product placement. And of course, if you don’t want to reveal your identity then you can appear on the show anonymously. And no, I've never been with a sex worker myself, but I it's support decriminalisation.

I know that television is seen as the great Satan on here and that it has the reputation of being untrustworthy. Speaking around to the people who were involved in A Very British Brothel, I get that a lot of people felt misrepresented. I don’t know what the producer’s intentions were for that show, but I can tell you ours, to know why people pay for sex, straight from the horse’s mouth.

We gain nothing from sugar coating or censoring what any of you have to say.  In fact, I’m not going to lie, the more honest you guys are the better it is for our ratings and publicity, because that’s what television is all about. I can’t promise you that everything you say will make it on air. The reality of the matter is we’ll focus on the most surprising and outlandish stuff, but we won’t misrepresent you or take what you said out of context. We’re not interested in reinforcing stereotypes because the truth is, no one is going to watch a TV show that just tells them what they already suspect, people want to watch a show that surprises them. Besides, Zig Zag already has a history of making controversial TV so we’re prepared for the backlash we may get for representing unpopular opinions.

So if after the barrage of justifiable insults and put downs I’ll get on this message board, there are still some of you who are genuinely interested or you have any questions, then please contact me either by email at kevin.muyolo@zigzag.uk.com or you can Zis Zag on 020 7017 8755 and ask for Kevin.

Cheers

Kevin

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

Really?!
George McCoy  :thumbsdown:
Mr Kevin just quit while u are ahead

Offline Quesadilla

I was kind of intrigued by your pitch until I saw your mention of George McCoy, which instantly dropped much of your credibility, but then I went to your company website to see what kind of programs you make. Where to start?

"Troy" - yet another show about a stage magician impressing the gullible on the streets. Ho hum
"Too fat to fly", a ridiculous sensationalisation of the issue of overweight people flying - could have been a decent piece of journalism - failed miserably.
"Scam city" another show about rip offs - ironically a rip off itself of genuinely good shows like "The Real Hustle" - but here's what the Independent had to say about it "Whereas most consumer watchdogs investigate scams at the instigation of aggrieved parties, in Scam City presenter Conor Woodman, travels the world looking for trouble and – what's more pitiful – often fails to find it."  :sarcastic:

Oh and my personal favourite - "I wanna marry Harry" where a bunch of sad American women are conned into believing they have a chance with Prince Harry.  I don't think this was ever aired in full it was so bad.

In short, you guys have a pretty piss poor track record of making good TV so for that reason - I'm out!
Banning reason: Obnoxious and arrogant + Veiled threat of outing punter on UKE

Offline PLeisure

or some shit like that.

Do you feel the need to appeal to us on a street level, Kevin ?  :sarcastic:

Offline comaminion

Danny dyers deadliest men?!?


 :lol:
Banning reason: White-knighting

I was kind of intrigued by your pitch until I saw your mention of George McCoy, which instantly dropped much of your credibility, but then I went to your company website to see what kind of programs you make. Where to start?

"Troy" - yet another show about a stage magician impressing the gullible on the streets. Ho hum
"Too fat to fly", a ridiculous sensationalisation of the issue of overweight people flying - could have been a decent piece of journalism - failed miserably.
"Scam city" another show about rip offs - ironically a rip off itself of genuinely good shows like "The Real Hustle" - but here's what the Independent had to say about it "Whereas most consumer watchdogs investigate scams at the instigation of aggrieved parties, in Scam City presenter Conor Woodman, travels the world looking for trouble and – what's more pitiful – often fails to find it."  :sarcastic:

Oh and my personal favourite - "I wanna marry Harry" where a bunch of sad American women are conned into believing they have a chance with Prince Harry.  I don't think this was ever aired in full it was so bad.

In short, you guys have a pretty piss poor track record of making good TV so for that reason - I'm out!

Love your comment Ques, and may I agree with you and also say - I'm Out!

Offline johnnyboy61

Unfortunately for you Kevins don't have a great deal of credence on this forum (along with the programmes your company makes according to Q's very informative posting).

From UKP's Wiki pages:
"Kevin: Popular phrase on UKP when referring to an English Pimp"

Perhaps change your name to something more UKP friendly such as Michelle, Ameera, Lindsey or Khloe and you may receive a less hostile reception.
Banning reason: Successfully caused damaging problems on UKEscorting

Online NIK

**With Permission of Admin**

Hi my name is Kevin; I’m a junior developer at a Television company called Zig Zag http://www.zigzag.uk.com/.

I can already feel half of you rolling your eyes at this so I’m just going to cut straight to the point. We want to make a one off documentary for Channel 4 (yes, I know they have a bit of a shitty reputation when it comes to representing sex workers but hear me out). The show is called “Yes, I Pay for Sex” and as you can guess it’s about people who pay for sex. Now, before you all go jumping down my throat (pun unintended), this show is focused on more than just the average punter. We want to look at ALL the types of people who pay for sex, men, women, transgendered, young, old, rich, poor, disabled, gay, straight, bi, single, married, couples and widowed.

This show is about disputing the stereotype people have of punters and instead give the actual people who pay for sex a platform to genuinely share their reasons & experiences of using a prostitute. We’re not interested in judging or condemning the practise, there’s already 100 shows that do that shit. This is about trying to understand.

We’ve already been in contact with a few contributors who are interested in taking part in the show. For example, George McCoy (who I’m sure most of you already know) and Unit 8 massage parlour in Sheffield; as they can help put us get in contact with their disabled punters, especially military veterans handicapped due to combat. We’re also talking to Dr Sarah Kingston at Lancaster University, an advocate for legalising sex workers, who’s currently conducting a nationwide study on women who pay for sex. There’s a whole bunch of people we’re working with and I’m just using these examples to show that we’re genuine about shedding a different and diverse light on the subject.

Before you ask; no we can’t pay anyone for their time, this is a documentary, paying contributors compromises the validity of the programme or some shit like that.  If you would want to promote something RELATED to the subject, that may be a possible but at most you could just mention the product or the service, you couldn't specifically advertise as that would be product placement. And of course, if you don’t want to reveal your identity then you can appear on the show anonymously. And no, I've never been with a sex worker myself, but I it's support decriminalisation.

I know that television is seen as the great Satan on here and that it has the reputation of being untrustworthy. Speaking around to the people who were involved in A Very British Brothel, I get that a lot of people felt misrepresented. I don’t know what the producer’s intentions were for that show, but I can tell you ours, to know why people pay for sex, straight from the horse’s mouth.

We gain nothing from sugar coating or censoring what any of you have to say.  In fact, I’m not going to lie, the more honest you guys are the better it is for our ratings and publicity, because that’s what television is all about. I can’t promise you that everything you say will make it on air. The reality of the matter is we’ll focus on the most surprising and outlandish stuff, but we won’t misrepresent you or take what you said out of context. We’re not interested in reinforcing stereotypes because the truth is, no one is going to watch a TV show that just tells them what they already suspect, people want to watch a show that surprises them. Besides, Zig Zag already has a history of making controversial TV so we’re prepared for the backlash we may get for representing unpopular opinions.

So if after the barrage of justifiable insults and put downs I’ll get on this message board, there are still some of you who are genuinely interested or you have any questions, then please contact me either by email at kevin.muyolo@zigzag.uk.com or you can Zis Zag on 020 7017 8755 and ask for Kevin.

Cheers

Kevin

This has been done time and time before. I fairly recently had an interview with a producer from the previous effort who assured me it would be different. No it wasn't.
I declined to take part as basically, as in all such programmes, you are simply wanting to use people to further your own careers. There is absolutely nothing in it for the participants and you are dependent on peoples' bizarre (to me) and insatiable desire to appear on television. People like McCoy are happy to do that and having him is no great coup seeing as he has appeared many times before. Doubtless he will keep his cap on.  :rolleyes:

I have had a book out about my punting experiences for over three years now. I was told there would be no payment. Fair enough I asked but what about a bit of publicity for the book then? No we can't even guarantee that I was told. Fair enough, stuff you I thought. Why should I help TV people to further their careers if there is absolutely nothing in it for me?

Good luck to you, but I like to think the majority of UKP members aren't as naïve as most of the idiots who are regularly willing to make dicks of themselves on 'reality documentaries' in order to further someone else's career.

Publicise my book or pay for half a dozen punts for me and I might reconsider.  :D

Offline Big Cat

About a year ago my work arranged for me to go on Channel 4 to record a pre-taped interview about something related to our industry. They ended up using a portion of the interview where what I said was taken out of context and used to further their argument that a company I was discussing was going down hill (the opposite is actually true). I felt a right wally, but lesson learned.

Based on that experience I can't trust TV producers, not that I'd want to discuss my punt life on TV anyway, anonymous or not!
Banning reason: Previously banned fluffy troll (Daniel Bryan)

Any punter taking part in a telly programme like this has nothing to gain and everything to lose. Just another media production company looking to generate content, publicity and revenue. Foxtrot Oscar.

Offline RedKettle

I was kind of intrigued by your pitch until I saw your mention of George McCoy, which instantly dropped much of your credibility, but then I went to your company website to see what kind of programs you make. Where to start?

"Troy" - yet another show about a stage magician impressing the gullible on the streets. Ho hum
"Too fat to fly", a ridiculous sensationalisation of the issue of overweight people flying - could have been a decent piece of journalism - failed miserably.
"Scam city" another show about rip offs - ironically a rip off itself of genuinely good shows like "The Real Hustle" - but here's what the Independent had to say about it "Whereas most consumer watchdogs investigate scams at the instigation of aggrieved parties, in Scam City presenter Conor Woodman, travels the world looking for trouble and – what's more pitiful – often fails to find it."  :sarcastic:

Oh and my personal favourite - "I wanna marry Harry" where a bunch of sad American women are conned into believing they have a chance with Prince Harry.  I don't think this was ever aired in full it was so bad.

In short, you guys have a pretty piss poor track record of making good TV so for that reason - I'm out!

Thanks Q - like you "for that reason I am out"

Hi my name is Kevin; I’m a junior developer at a Television company
Well sending a junior to negotiate with the best punters in the world, not a wise move.  Afraid My Long list is more pressing, and just added rimming various ladies to make it longer.

Good Luck

VW

Offline comaminion

The thing is the carrot or lack of and the cynicism and mistrust means they won't get the people who represent punting and end up with fucking numptys

But they did try and get genuine punters , so they did try, so when this show airs I half expect a ten page thread on what a load of shit it is

Personally I enjoy channel 4 and their adult documentaries not on an informative level but bottom of the barrel humour

The dogging one was funny
Banning reason: White-knighting

i suppose if the producer is willing to come up with some cash pool to hand out to punters to pay for the sex service, they might land someone who is willing to partake.

i aint bothered either way.

Offline comaminion

i suppose if the producer is willing to come up with some cash pool to hand out to punters to pay for the sex service, they might land someone who is willing to partake.

i aint bothered either way.

It's like Jeremy kyle they say they don't pay but they do, hotel , feed em, wine em

Now if zigzag can do that and leave a couple sp's in said hotel there might be more interest
Banning reason: White-knighting

Offline blubon

Publicise my book or pay for half a dozen punts for me and I might reconsider.  :D

Nik if you wanted to come on and talk about your book, we'd be happy to do that!


Offline comaminion

.....If Carlsberg did punting  :D

Carlsberg is probably one of the worst beers

My offer as it stands
Hotel
Free tab
Line the room with wg's or one decent overnight  :D
Banning reason: White-knighting

i pay for sex when i dont feel like a wank.

Why do people that dont do it need an insight? it doesnt affect them so dont worry about it.

oh, and why is george mccoy going on it? that bastard's never paid for sex in his life

Offline blubon

Carlsberg is probably one of the worst beers

My offer as it stands
Hotel
Free tab
Line the room with wg's or one decent overnight  :D

Would you settle for a paid transport and a free lunch instead?

Offline Quesadilla

Would you settle for a paid transport and a free lunch instead?
If lunch is coke and pussy a la Lord Sewel you might actually get some takers!  :sarcastic:
Banning reason: Obnoxious and arrogant + Veiled threat of outing punter on UKE

Offline comaminion

Would you settle for a paid transport and a free lunch instead?

Hmmmm not much of a counter offer

In all honesty though I hope you get decent people and do a good job

You didn't pull punches and straight to the point , you knew you were going to get stick

I look forward to watching  :hi:


Banning reason: White-knighting

Offline Fishface

I hear Lord Sewel's looking for a gig.

OP just needs to find some fame hungry zeroes who dream of being the next Joey Essex and feed them some lines/scenarios, y'know, sort of "scripted reality" cobblers.
Can't see any possibility of genuine punters biting whatsoever - will only attract cranks and fantasists but I suspect OP won't give a toss about veracity of his subjects as long as he can scratch 15 mins of content together that he can string out into a 60 min documentary.


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