popular girls and negative reviews

[walking dead]

This whole site is about leaving honest reviews for other punters.  I do feel that popular, well reviewed girls hardly ever receive any negatives. I know that's not because these girls never do anything wrong, but more because a) people generally get  slated for doing it, b) it's pointless and won't make any difference.

Do other people see it that way? If so, it does question somewhat what this site is about

[AnthG]

b) it's pointless and won't make any difference.

But what difference would people want? I think its unrealistic that people may want it to be the case that if a girl gets a negative we will all agree to stop seeing her permanently.

I think best case scenario, if its one of the good-un's is that she sees the review and takes it on board and fixes it.

The problem I think is, when people have a poor punt, they are afraid to openly put it out there. They may post a negative review but not explain why it was bad. Or maybe just add a few lines to someone else's review.

If someone said. I seen....today and this is why it was poor.

Reason, 1, Reason 2, 3, 4 and 5.

And people seen this. Noway would any punter go, you are an idiot for feeling this way. They would say, Jesus, why did she do that. Its then up to the girl to handle this negative professionally. The problem is many don't.

[AnthG]

Another example of what I mean. Just as I know she is one of the good'uns but I know some people have had issues with punts with her.

I have just done a search. And I cannot find a single negative or neutral review for Tori Taylor. I cannot find even just neutral review for her under her Northern Kara name either. for both profiles its all positive.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=3604
And
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=909

But I also know a few people are not happy with how their punts have went with her. But the problem is, they will have showed this just by adding it to someone elses positive reivew - so it means not much. Or just commented on it in a kara discussion thread.

If Tori Taylor got a negative review saying she timewasted you, or she did this or that. I can bet she would put it right in an instant. As that is the power negative reviews have here now (and she seems to be the sort who is that way inclined to fix things, but you need to negative her to get it).

[walking dead]

But what difference would people want? I think its unrealistic that people may want it to be the case that if a girl gets a negative we will all agree to stop seeing her permanently.

I think best case scenario, if its one of the good-un's is that she sees the review and takes it on board and fixes it.

The problem I think is, when people have a poor punt, they are afraid to openly put it out there. They may post a negative review but not explain why it was bad. Or maybe just add a few lines to someone else's review.

If someone said. I seen....today and this is why it was poor.

Reason, 1, Reason 2, 3, 4 and 5.

And people seen this. Noway would any punter go, you are an idiot for feeling this way. They would say, Jesus, why did she do that. Its then up to the girl to handle this negative professionally. The problem is many don't.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean the difference was going to be, people stop seeing girls.

I meant it will be disregarded by most, the white knights will come out of the woodwork. So why bother wasting your time when people ignore it?

I know that's not making much sense!

 

[Looking4fun]

I must admit when I read the negative review of Lily I didn't think it was explained very well,it mostly read that he was disappointed by her looks & attitude now theirs plenty of photos of Lily showing her face & she's not unattractive in my eyes I've read plenty of reviews that say she's a great girl to visit but the guy who posted the review felt let down
He never included any real detail in his review so even though he left a negative nobody will take any notice of it & more so because she is one of the top girls around here,
Now I read a review written a few years ago about another top girl which included plenty of reasons why it was a negative & the guy got slated also
My question is are we over protective of the TOP GIRLS?

[walking dead]

Another example of what I mean. Just as I know she is one of the good'uns but I know some people have had issues with punts with her.

I have just done a search. And I cannot find a single negative or neutral review for Tori Taylor. I cannot find even just neutral review for her under her Northern Kara name either. for both profiles its all positive.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=3604
And
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=909

But I also know a few people are not happy with how their punts have went with her. But the problem is, they will have showed this just by adding it to someone elses positive reivew - so it means not much. Or just commented on it in a kara discussion thread.

If Tori Taylor got a negative review saying she timewasted you, or she did this or that. I can bet she would put it right in an instant. As that is the power negative reviews have here now (and she seems to be the sort who is that way inclined to fix things, but you need to negative her to get it).

You have kind of proved the point I made. You know there should have been negatives for tori, in this case but people don't bother.  Why do you think that is?

I am not having a pop at tori in this thread By the way

[walking dead]

I must admit when I read the negative review of Lily I didn't think it was explained very well,it mostly read that he was disappointed by her looks & attitude now theirs plenty of photos of Lily showing her face & she's not unattractive in my eyes I've read plenty of reviews that say she's a great girl to visit but the guy who posted the review felt let down
He never included any real detail in his review so even though he left a negative nobody will take any notice of it & more so because she is one of the top girls around here,
Now I read a review written a few years ago about another top girl which included plenty of reasons why it was a negative & the guy got slated also
My question is are we over protective of the TOP GIRLS?

That's exactly my question.

[AnthG]

the white knights will come out of the woodwork. So why bother wasting your time when people ignore it?

The white knights will definitely come out of the woodwork. But this is why you need to cut them off before they get a chance to.

If you cover why your punt was bad in your review itself in enough detail. It means they have little opportunities to comment over what you say. Other than "I seen her and I thought she was great."

If you are vague over what happened then it will be people trying to understand or challenge you by jumping to conclusions.

[Looking4fun]

Anthg your not wrong I've just done a review on a TOP GIRL & that exact thing just happened, I even told the guy to do his own review because commenting on my review just bumps it back to the top of the page showing a positive review

[Looking4fun]

That's exactly my question.

I would have to say yes
I've got a punt tomorrow with a TOP GIRL that received that negative review a few years back & I'll be honest if it turns out like that negative review she would get one from me as well which will without doubt create the same reaction but theirs no point in doing a review without clear facts & reasons

[Gothic D]

My question is are we over protective of the TOP GIRLS?

Yes I think we are to some extent,and that shouldn't be the case.

[AnthG]

You know there should have been negatives for tori, in this case but people don't bother.  Why do you think that is?

At a guess,

1. Because they still want to possibly see her again in the future and are worried she will guess who you are and take it out on you when you do meet her.
or
2. Whatever happened wasn't that bad to risk the hassle it may ensure of negativing a well liked girl.

These are just general reason guesses, not specific to Tori.

[walking dead]

At the end of day if we all called out negative punts for whatever reason, whoever it is, it would benefit us all. The girls would have to change their behaviour to stay in work. That's good for everyone

[walking dead]

At a guess,

1. Because they still want to possibly see her again in the future and are worried she will guess who you are and take it out on you when you do meet her.
or
2. Whatever happened wasn't that bad to risk the hassle it may ensure of negativing a well liked girl.

These are just general reason guesses, not specific to Tori.

And that's why the girls have the power And in some circumstances can get away with very poor behaviour.  It kind of questions the value of reviews to some extent? Like aw feedback

[Looking4fun]

At the end of day if we all called out negative punts for whatever reason, whoever it is, it would benefit us all. The girls would have to change their behaviour to stay in work. That's good for everyone

If have to agree the only thing is their needs to be consistent reviews
I left a neutral for a girl a while back which I thought was suffice but I got questioned on that by members on here for not leaving a negative which I thought would have been harsh

[Looking4fun]

Should have started I'd agree mobile phone is crap

[Barry Shipton]

Actually Anth there was a negative for Tori - and yes I know it was a duo
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=45495.0

[AnthG]

And that's why the girls have the power And in some circumstances can get away with very poor behaviour.  It kind of questions the value of reviews to some extent?

But you will never get a perfect system. Personally speaking I think the best thing to ever happen with UKPs review system was the addition of the neutral review option.

As for me, when I just have come home and the punt wasn't the best, but the girl was pleasant enough. It really does take a lot to then just sit there and post up a negative review for her. And thus this means you don't post any review at all. However there is not that personal moral stigma attached to posting up a neutral.  So you can post what is effectively your negative. But not feel scummy to yourself by doing it, by posting it up as a neutral.

[Happyjose]

This whole site is about leaving honest reviews for other punters.  I do feel that popular, well reviewed girls hardly ever receive any negatives. I know that's not because these girls never do anything wrong, but more because a) people generally get  slated for doing it, b) it's pointless and won't make any difference.

Do other people see it that way? If so, it does question somewhat what this site is about

I'm pretty sure that this question or similar has been raised before and admin suggested informing him of the review so he could keep an eye out for fanboys.

[Looking4fun]

So another question we will use Lily as the example as she's known to be one of the top girls
Punter has been waiting weeks to see her gets the booking all arranged
The day comes & he texts/rings/emails to confirm on the morning & she replies to say she has to cancel forget about the reason why because they can tell us anything & we will believe it
the guy is gutted
What sort of review should he leave?
 Just remember I've only used Lily as an example I'm not saying she has done this to anybody ever

[walking dead]

I'm pretty sure that this question or similar has been raised before and admin suggested informing him of the review so he could keep an eye out for fanboys.

I didn't have a particular review in mind. I think it's more of a cultural thing

[walking dead]

But you will never get a perfect system. Personally speaking I think the best thing to ever happen with UKPs review system was the addition of the neutral review option.

As for me, when I just have come home and the punt wasn't the best, but the girl was pleasant enough. It really does take a lot to then just sit there and post up a negative review for her. And thus this means you don't post any review at all. However there is not that personal moral stigma attached to posting up a neutral.  So you can post what is effectively your negative. But not feel scummy to yourself by doing it, by posting it up as a neutral.

 I think the conclusion I am going to take from this Is

Take popualr girls reviews with a big pinch of salt.
More so if they reviewer are regulars of said girl.

I will always assume popular girls piss people about and get away with it, and it's rarely reported.

Due to this I will assume popular girls are over rated as they have neutrals or negatives missing.

Conversely people are more likely to give negatives to little reviewed girls. These girls are probably underrated


Honestly speaking my best three punts have been with zero, or little reviewed girls.

[AnthG]

What sort of review should he leave?
 Just remember I've only used Lily as an example I'm not saying she has done this to anybody ever

In my opinion for that scenario, none.

Two other examples - using Lilly as the example again - she hasn't done this its just theoretical situations.

Punter has been waiting weeks to see her gets the booking all arranged. The day comes & he texts/rings/emails to confirm on the morning & she replies all ok. He travels from South Shields on the metro, going to the town first to change over and then from the town on the Metro to Chillingham road on that track. Gets off the metro hikes up the road happy as larry and eager to get it on with a very fit girl.

Gets to her street to get the house number and she says, sorry cannot do the punt anymore, the guy is gutted

What should that review be? My opinion is Neutral. But I may be the minority on that.

Scenario 2. Starting up same as scenario one, except guy gets off metro, hikes up the road happy as Larry and eager to get it on with a very fit girl. Gets to her street and phones to get the house number and.... no answer. Phones again....no answer, and again, and again and again. After 30 mins of calling non stop and getting no reply. He walks back to get on the metro home miserable thinking has she seen me out of her bedroom window and not like what she seen or what exactly.

In that instance, Negative.

[johnny34]

So another question we will use Lily as the example as she's known to be one of the top girls
Punter has been waiting weeks to see her gets the booking all arranged
The day comes & he texts/rings/emails to confirm on the morning & she replies to say she has to cancel forget about the reason why because they can tell us anything & we will believe it
the guy is gutted
What sort of review should he leave?
 Just remember I've only used Lily as an example I'm not saying she has done this to anybody ever

Using your example i don't think any review would be needed as theres some notice of cancellation. However, if you got to the location & were then cancelled or got no text/call with house number etc then it would be ok to leave a negative.

[walking dead]

I personally think if they let you know when you are there its a negative. It must be rare when there is a genuine reason not to give you an hour or so notice

[Looking4fun]

I tend to agree with anthg but I'd guess if it was a not so popular girl many would give her a negative in either scenario

[Looking4fun]

Ha sorry missed the not out of the start

[Breaker]

So another question we will use Lily as the example as she's known to be one of the top girls
Punter has been waiting weeks to see her gets the booking all arranged
The day comes & he texts/rings/emails to confirm on the morning & she replies to say she has to cancel forget about the reason why because they can tell us anything & we will believe it
the guy is gutted
What sort of review should he leave?
 Just remember I've only used Lily as an example I'm not saying she has done this to anybody ever

You actually summed up my scenario right there which strangely enough was Lily, was wondering what to do about it.
I took a day off work for it, booked over a week in advance and was texted half an hour before booking from a very apologetic lily saying that some guy was coming to service the boiler and that she would re-schedule for me, I simply replied that these things happen then asked about when we could sort another time for.
I got no reply, I then also got no reply the following day when I asked again.
And now she only see's regulars so pretty wounded as i never got the chance to see her 

[walking dead]

Did that happen to be the end of Jan?

[Breaker]

Yeah it was funnily enough.

[walking dead]

29th?

[Warwick Hunt]

Walking Dead, was it you servicing her boiler that day?

[Breaker]

23rd

[walking dead]

Walking Dead, was it you servicing her boiler that day?

Sadly not.  I wouldn't class eva as a boiler

[walking dead]

23rd

She cancelled me about  a week later as she was sick.

[Warwick Hunt]

She cancelled me about  a week later as she was sick.

Probably carbon monoxide poisoning 

[Breaker]

She cancelled me about  a week later as she was sick.

I know these things happen to everyone both punter and WG alike which is why I give everyone atleast one chance with things like this, as I'd expect the same in return.
However I don't understand why she went unresponsive afterwards.

[Mansell]

I think you make a really good point and I think it was Anth who posted a really interesting discussion about what should be negative on the main forum.

For me what you suggesting is actually the positive review should be changed to a Neutral. I'm not sure how you review a punt that didn;t happen as just discussed. This is a slight sore point for me at the moment as I have had 3 cancelled in last 3 weeks due to illness, all first thing in the morning ie before 8am and because of that I have not done a review as I just felt fair enough, they are in a very personal business and have to be very careful. ie in a normal business you could still work with a cold, but not a WG.

However to arrive outside the door to a confirmed punt must be annoying as we heard re Teen Jade and quite a few people last year. Made worse as she then handled it very badly, hence the negative reviews she got then, which to me were deserves, more for the way she handled herself. If she had handled it better than I would have said "Neutral"

On the other side of the coin, I and a lot of others felt the negative that Lily got recently was very unfair and we all voiced that as we felt it unfair, yet nothing could be done to change it. Similarly I am currently concerned by the comments on Tori's positive review (looking4 fun)  made by TS88677 as it's looking more like to me he didn't have a confirmed appointment and he is new to the forum, complaining very loudly. What worries me about these instances is that we must remember that a Negative or Positive review can seriously affect a WG's earnings.

I do have other experience of forums as I am a moderator on another forum (totally different sphere) and we ended up going paid members only to get rid of the stupid keyboard warriors that kept coming on and upsetting genuine forum members, more importantly they were slagging off genuine commercial suppliers of parts and affecting their business. Thankfully this site seems pretty good especially in the NE, but it is relatively young.

So as with all things for me it's about trying to be "fair" and thinking hard about the review before doing it, especially if it's a Neutral or Negative.

[walking dead]

Getting cancelled on , for me, is in some ways worse than a poor punt. Your ready for the appointment, make whatever arrangements  you need to and off you go. When I get to that point,  something needs to happen!    Being cancelled in good time is one thing,  but being cancelled in the last 30 or so minutes or, worse, not being told you have been Cancelled.

I often arrange a plan b, or c and more often than not its a rushed disappointment.  I get it, these things happen but personally it definately happens more with the popular girls. Coincidence?  Maybe. Or maybe as they are popular they can afford to throw appointments, or, maybe they get better offers. Or maybe even they double book. Who knows. It could all be unavoidable,  in some cases I suspect not.

Maybe a review isn't appropriate,  as no meet happened. But I for one would like an idea how reliable a girl is, no matter how good she is meant to be.

Maybe we should have a cancellations thread, just for info?
Girl, the reason she cancelled and how much notice she gave. I would find that useful.

[walking dead]

I just need to add, running girls out of business is an unbeneficial to us, as accepting unreliable behaviour

That's not what I am trying to do

[Mansell]

But I for one would like an idea how reliable a girl is, no matter how good she is meant to be.

Maybe we should have a cancellations thread, just for info?
Girl, the reason she cancelled and how much notice she gave. I would find that useful.

I agree I think that's a good idea. But it should have agreed guidelines so that each report uses the same policy and we don't get 1 which is positive even though cancelled 5 minutes before and 2nd negative even when it was at 6pm and cancelled before 8 am that morning. ie a bit of fairness and consistency, because you are right we want the good girls to keep working and I know from a couple of conversations that "unfairness" on here really winds them up, as it would me if the roles were reversed.

[Looking4fun]

I think the neutral review is a way of giving people an idea of what could happen without damaging the reputation of the lady concerned
I also think the forum could do with rules concerning reviews maybe you should be a member for a certain length of time or possibly made so many posts before your able to post a negative or positive review which would solve the problem mansell has just mentioned
I have to agree that it's the worst thing in the world to be cancelled by lady & you reply immediately asking for another booking & you get no reply that's just taking the pee I think

[johnr1]

That's a great idea Walking Dead  A post on reliability and communication or the lack of it? cancellations with little notice, no reply's to emails, booking requests, phone calls or texts etc then we may see some of the top rated girls getting negatives, without any white knight intervention ......and yes I know I have been one of them in the past

Its all very well if a girl is good at her job but not good if she is unreliable with these basic skills and keeps letting punters down       

[Looking4fun]

What a great thread & how many of us have been cancelled by top girls & not shared that information so guess what it happens a lot by the sounds of things

[Mansell]

I also think the forum could do with rules concerning reviews maybe you should be a member for a certain length of time or possibly made so many posts before your able to post a negative or positive review which would solve the problem mansell has just mentioned

Great idea 

Don't know about the rest of you, but for me it's important who has written the review as much as what is said. I take more notice of well respected members reviews than I do of others. But new people / guests aren't around enough to be able to judge.

[Blackhawk]

I saw Tori Taylor in her Gabriella persona at Diamonds about two and a half years ago - she was rubbish and rushed me out of the door after 20 minutes even though i had not cum and it was a 30 minute punt. So there you go.

[ohfook1t]

Yes anth I gave tori a negative and also another member I think

[AnthG]

I saw Tori Taylor in her Gabriella persona at Diamonds about two and a half years ago - she was rubbish and rushed me out of the door after 20 minutes even though i had not cum and it was a 30 minute punt. So there you go.

Yeah I remember it was your review that caused her to sign up here as she was so annoyed by it. I remember at the time I was really curious who you were.

Its a shame Blackhawk is not on any forum to actually rebutt the rebuttal.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=7833.msg127943#msg127943

Yes anth I gave tori a negative and also another member I think

But my point was, if you click on the two links in my post. It brings up every review for a partcular provider. And it only for Tori bringing up positives.

The reason this will be is either. The negatives were added onto someone elses post. Or possibly if not then there was no link posted in the review.

But I really was just using Tori as an example. And then later LillyD as an example. As they are both the two main good-un's in the region.

[SteveT1969]

Given the scenarios given on this thread of popular girls do you think I should leave a negative review for Tori Taylor?
I tried phoning her on Tuesday a couple of times with no response so I emailed her. Got a reply later that evening saying she was available Wednesday (last night) between 5 and 10. Great! I emailed back asking to meet at 7. No reply.
Tried ringing Thursday morning to confirm and again Thursday afternoon. I sent another email saying I could be flexible and come whenever she wanted and still no reply. When it got closer to the time I sent a booking request through AW thinking that she must be be waiting for that.....no reply. I tried ringing a couple of more times and gave up worried that she'd think I was a stalker or something.
I'm gutted as I really want to meet her, mainly because of the great reviews she's had on here.
I have to admit I've only been with a couple of WG's so I could be being sensitive and this may be perfectly acceptable and normal behaviour.
If you're reading this Tori, I still want to meet you uuuuuurrrrrrrrrggggghhh. How pathetic am I lol?

[johnny34]

You need to have a confirmed booking before your able to leave a review. It sounds like you tried making a booking but nothing was agreed.

Keep trying i'm sure you'll get a booking with her soon.