Revisting SPs who gave an average/below average service on a first booking

[koshkaj]

Recently i have been seeing a few comments from fellow punters about SPs who "improve" on subsequent bookings. i can't quite get my head around this.

If i visit an SP for the first time and the service is nothing special, i see no reason to go back. i don't get why would anyone return hoping for a better experience the second time around? but it seems that there are some who do just that.

what is the thought process? "OK, i just paid £200 for this punt, it was not great (it was not bad either, it was just middle of the road), but i will return anyway to spend another £200 because it might be better the second time"?

All of the SPs i have revisited have been above average on the first booking, that's why i returned. which seems logical in my view.

i am wondering if i should return to some of the SPs i have only seen once to see if they magically improve too.

also for the purposes of this question, let's assume that the SP has a limited amount of reviews available or none.

[Stevelondon]

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle.

A lot of guys on here might simply be saying. They enjoyed a punt with a SP. But on their second visit it was even better.

Nowt wrong with that.

I think by what you wrote. You are assuming a member revisited a SP he did not have a particularly good time with. Just to see if she did better on a second visit. 🤷🏼

[RandomGuy99]

I've seen a few fit looking SPs who on first booking were ok. I did see them again and they had improved a little but I decided not to see them a third time as there were better options.

[southcoastpunter]

……… as there were better options.

Key issue - but not everyone lives in an area where there are lots of better options! So maybe if the first visit was ok but not brilliant, maybe guys will try again in the hope it will be “good” rather than just “ok”

[Upsndowns79]

I’ve recently commented on an SP who who “improved” in subsequent meets but to be clear I’d never return to one where the initial booking was average or below average.

The girl in question was initially quite stand offish on my 1st booking but in the 2nd half of the booking was incredible. I took this as part of her personality and figured she was sussing me out. She’s FAF so it was a no brainer to revisit and I had a strong feeling I’d get the 2nd half version of the punt for the full time on my return……….which I did.

To a degree it depends what you are looking for in a booking. If you are just after a fit girl to empty your sack then it’s likely the bookings won’t improve with subsequent meet ups but if your motives are more looking for superficial connections then getting a more regular girl is logical.

[koshkaj]

I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle.

A lot of guys on here might simply be saying. They enjoyed a punt with a SP. But on their second visit it was even better.

Nowt wrong with that.

This i get.

I think by what you wrote. You are assuming a member revisited a SP he did not have a particularly good time with. Just to see if she did better on a second visit. 🤷🏼

Exactly. But the key point is it was neither bad, nor good. It's a little tough to quantify further as everyone is different. Let's say on a service scale of 1 - 10 if an SP gives you a 5 which is in the neutral range, BJ is OK, sex is OK, DFK is OK, nothing is bad. But nothing is memorable either. Everything is just OK. I would not be looking to revisit an SP in this case. i see no reason to go back again, even if she is FAF.

Key issue - but not everyone lives in an area where there are lots of better options! So maybe if the first visit was ok but not brilliant, maybe guys will try again in the hope it will be “good” rather than just “ok”

Ah, so it could be a case of just hoping for improvement, rather than expecting it. i'm not too hopeful, tbh, perhaps i should be a little more optimistic.

To a degree it depends what you are looking for in a booking. If you are just after a fit girl to empty your sack then it’s likely the bookings won’t improve with subsequent meet ups but if your motives are more looking for superficial connections then getting a more regular girl is logical.

Can you please expand on what you mean by superficial connections?

The girl in question was initially quite stand offish on my 1st booking but in the 2nd half of the booking was incredible. I took this as part of her personality and figured she was sussing me out. She’s FAF so it was a no brainer to revisit and I had a strong feeling I’d get the 2nd half version of the punt for the full time on my return……….which I did.

I do wonder if other punters have visited an SP, had a neutral experience themselves, but have tried to rebook multiple times in the hope that they get improvements leading to the same experience as others have had? in these cases they are putting their faith totally in another person's experience which seems like a bad idea. has happened to me a few times, but i do not go back again.

[Upsndowns79]

Can you please expand on what you mean by superficial connections?

It’s my way of trying to describe my motivation for punting. Yes I crave a sexual experience and yes I want to find the girl attractive but I want to feel a connection and some girls are better at it than others. Superficial because whilst I know it’s my motivation I know in reality it’s not that deep.

That maybe why I liked this particular girl? She was a little aloof but when she relaxed she seemed to genuinely enjoy the booking. It made it more sincere somehow?

Probably just a load of codswallop that’s way too deep but 

[the_exile]

I can think of occasions where I went to see a WG who was advertised as, say, "Lisa", but turned out to be "Katie", who I had seen before and not had a particularly good time with - but this time around it was completely different & much more enjoyable. I've put this down to one of us having a bad day on the first visit! It's usually been at a parlour/Chinese place where any description of the girl you get is too good to be true and it turns out to be just that.

[koshkaj]

It’s my way of trying to describe my motivation for punting. Yes I crave a sexual experience and yes I want to find the girl attractive but I want to feel a connection and some girls are better at it than others. Superficial because whilst I know it’s my motivation I know in reality it’s not that deep.

That maybe why I liked this particular girl? She was a little aloof but when she relaxed she seemed to genuinely enjoy the booking. It made it more sincere somehow?

Probably just a load of codswallop that’s way too deep but 

Makes sense to me. Thanks for taking the time to explain this.

I can think of occasions where I went to see a WG who was advertised as, say, "Lisa", but turned out to be "Katie", who I had seen before and not had a particularly good time with - but this time around it was completely different & much more enjoyable. I've put this down to one of us having a bad day on the first visit! It's usually been at a parlour/Chinese place where any description of the girl you get is too good to be true and it turns out to be just that.

i suppose in this case, it depends on what constitutes a bad day. for me, a bad day is when the punt goes badly. having a not particularly good time, i would not classify as a bad day, but representative of what i am likely to get in any case, and would not return.

sounds to me again like perhaps i am judging my experiences too harshly. tbf, even on my good punts (which are around 80+ percent of the time, if not more), i don't return all that often.

[john122350]

I think there’s a bit more to it than simply “the first booking wasn’t great, so why go back?”

Sometimes the first experience is just average because of circumstances like nerves, timing, chemistry, The SP having an off day or simply not knowing what each other likes yet. If there were still some positives and you felt there was potential, I can understand giving it another shot.

It’s not necessarily “I just spent £200 on a mediocre punt so let me spend another £200 and hope for a miracle.”  It’s more “there was enough there that I’m curious whether a second booking with a bit more familiarity might be different.”

That said, If the first booking was genuinely poor or you came away thinking “I wouldn't bother seeing her again" I agree there’s little reason to force a second booking. For me there would need to be something from the first visit that makes me think the potential is there.

[Stevelondon]

Quote from koshkaj. 

    I do wonder if other punters have visited an SP, had a neutral experience themselves, but have tried to rebook multiple times in the hope that they get improvements leading to the same experience as others have had? in these cases they are putting their faith totally in another person's experience which seems like a bad idea. has happened to me a few times, but i do not go back again.   

Ah………… well this is yet another argument. Personally speaking. I’ve possibly had quite meh type punts with a particular SP…. Yet have looked at glowing reviews left by other punters of the same lass 🤷🏼
No accounting for taste I suppose 

But in these type of instances I’d trust my judgement and would not go back just because things might improve.

[runner in the woods]

Key issue - but not everyone lives in an area where there are lots of better options! So maybe if the first visit was ok but not brilliant, maybe guys will try again in the hope it will be “good” rather than just “ok”

This fits my area, I've had so so punts, but some days l can't be bothered to drive a distance, I go to see some local girls I've seen before when it's not been brilliant, but ok. And tbh if you with sort of lower expectations then it's usually alright. Pussy is pussy, but it's bad attitude that is a big turn off and indifference that makes me avoid a second time.

[maybe]

if you go back a second time, there is a chance they may think could be regular, so they are bit nicer. On the flip side they may think they have bagged a regular and not try as hard, although for me the former happens more often.

[Atlas1957]

Picking the right WGs to revisit is a punting skill. You have to sense something in the first booking that hints a future booking might be better.

It might also depend on your punting style and personality, the first punt is rarely the best punt I have with a WG. If first punts are often your best punts with a WG then maybe this won't be for you.

Some of my most outstanding and memorable punts have been return punts to see a WG who was above average but not outstanding the first time.

It can be a case of booking 1 was above average and then booking 2 was the best of that year.

Or it can be a case of booking 1 was above average, booking 2 was slightly better, booking 3 was nice too... ...booking 7 was the best of that year.

However, due to the successes in the past, I have "wasted" money on WGs with extra bookings who never improve or only slightly improve or improve then get worse.

[DastardlyDick]

It's possibly a case of "better the devil you know" you've had a decent shag with an SP but the new one may be worse. 

[Stevelondon]

“Pussy is Pussy”


I’ll beg to differ on that comment. 

[scutty brown]

“Pussy is Pussy”


I’ll beg to differ on that comment.

Depends on the lighting conditions: all pussy looks the same in the dark

[the_exile]

Key issue - but not everyone lives in an area where there are lots of better options! So maybe if the first visit was ok but not brilliant, maybe guys will try again in the hope it will be “good” rather than just “ok”

Yes, I certainly recognise this! There was a place I used to go to with Bulgarian girls working there, the first one I saw was great, but the second was terrible, although at least I managed to cum. Then there were three others who were OK, but they would swap bookings so you never knew who you would end up seeing. The thing that finished it for me was when a new girl was swapped in who was so disinterested I went soft & gave up. I didn't go back after that.

[Carpman2]

Seems odd to want to return after a poor meet. There are so many options available, especially in London.

[koshkaj]

Lots of great comments. i can't quote everyone, but i do read them all and am starting to get a little more perspective on this. Thanks.

Sometimes the first experience is just average because of circumstances like nerves, timing, chemistry, The SP having an off day or simply not knowing what each other likes yet. If there were still some positives and you felt there was potential, I can understand giving it another shot

Surely the vast majority of first punts are like this? So it would result in you returning more often than not?

Picking the right WGs to revisit is a punting skill. You have to sense something in the first booking that hints a future booking might be better.

It might also depend on your punting style and personality, the first punt is rarely the best punt I have with a WG. If first punts are often your best punts with a WG then maybe this won't be for you.

i suppose i am in this bracket. the few girls i have seen and returned to, there are very few where i felt that subsequent visits were better than the first. but it was still good, so i did not leave disappointed.

Some of my most outstanding and memorable punts have been return punts to see a WG who was above average but not outstanding the first time.

It can be a case of booking 1 was above average and then booking 2 was the best of that year.

Or it can be a case of booking 1 was above average, booking 2 was slightly better, booking 3 was nice too... ...booking 7 was the best of that year.

Sure, but at least the above average is giving you an indication that a return may be better, right? Booking 1, 2 , 3 and then 7 seems nuts to me. in that case, if booking 3 was just nice i'd be outta there.

However, due to the successes in the past, I have "wasted" money on WGs with extra bookings who never improve or only slightly improve or improve then get worse.

yeah, this makes sense. looking inward i think i may be assuming that (for me) this is always going to be the case.

Seems odd to want to return after a poor meet. There are so many options available, especially in London.

i'm not asking about poor meets. this is specifically about where the first meet was not poor, nor bad in any way. it was just - okay.

[Stevelondon]

Depends on the lighting conditions: all pussy looks the same in the dark

In which case it’s down to feel 🤷🏼


I’ll stick to my comment.

[Heph]

Recently i have been seeing a few comments from fellow punters about SPs who "improve" on subsequent bookings. i can't quite get my head around this.

Case in point: my review of Nika Chanel  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459380.0 

My review was positive, although broadly speaking, that first experience wasn't: she was almost an omni-shambles. I gave it a positive because it seemed possible that her shambles was attributable to her circumstances that day or week; and I could see that she had some qualities that, under different circumstances, and perhaps for a more phlegmatic punter than me, might allow her to flower. As it transpired, some time later, I had need of her cunt, which is of a kind which particularly appeals to me- and so I decided that, with the benefit of knowing her weaker points, and how to work around them, I now had better prospects. In the event, this absurd cunt-lust or touching faith in her ability to improve the experience, did actually pay-off - she excelled herself, and in a manner that I could scarcely have hoped-for.

So, that's the rationale.

But this is a tale in three acts. Buoyed by the second, I booked her a third time. There was more of the same scattiness and inane jabbering that I'd had to endure on the first, but with none of the goodies that she startlingly delivered on the second. Three-strikes-and-you're-out, lady.

[Lucky Luciano]

No I would not return if I experienced a below par service. You would think if the SP is professional and hasn’t seen a particular client before then they would make an effort to provide a top notch service of sorts. As it’s been pointed out you will get a sense of connection or walk out with a step in your stride. This is too much of an expensive hobby to sample poor quality punts.

[RyanM92]

So my experiences where I have returned to an SP for another punt is when meeting a new SP the initial welcome and first round has been a little cold or mechanical even if the reviews have been stellar. However, intra round chat we’ve hit it off and had a great chat and she’s gotten more comfortable and the second round seems to be way more akin to the reviews of that SP.

That’s when I normally return as I’ve built a little rapport with that SP and can imagine how a FULL booking with that same attitude will be like.

Just my two cents (I know it doesn’t really answer your initial question Kosh).

[alabama1]

This fits my area, I've had so so punts, but some days l can't be bothered to drive a distance, I go to see some local girls I've seen before when it's not been brilliant, but ok. And tbh if you with sort of lower expectations then it's usually alright. Pussy is pussy, but it's bad attitude that is a big turn off and indifference that makes me avoid a second time.

Personally, i would rather fuck a stunner with bad attitude than an eager munter 

[simon07]

I guess YMMv for all of us. Money (for some of us) is a scarce resource and i try to find value best i can.

My view is once bitten twice shy. 

How will we give feedback to the WG and the marketplace that poor attitude and service will not be rewarded by repeat business.
Unless you are Homer Simpson?

[Upsndowns79]

Personally, i would rather fuck a stunner with bad attitude than an eager munter 

Whilst I don’t disagree with you entirely if I’d seen a 9/10 girl with a 1/10 attitude I’d 100% not return but if I saw a 6/10 girl with 10/10 attitude I’d return next week.

If I saw a 1/10 girl…….id walk before been able to gauge the attitude.

[Atlas1957]

The issue with a 6/10 looks WG giving a 10/10 service is you've received the best service you can get from her.

That is why you might consider seeing a 10/10 looks WG who gave a 6/10 service again, there is room for growth.

I think looking back at my re-visit successes it has mainly been with WGs with good looks (subjectively to my personal taste), but I would add a note of caution that some of my most costly "maybe one more visit" WGs that never got better were very good looking WGs where the service never improved.

[OakTree]

The issue with a 6/10 looks WG giving a 10/10 service is you've received the best service you can get from her.

That is why you might consider seeing a 10/10 looks WG who gave a 6/10 service again, there is room for growth.

Bob on there Atlas. Also rightly or wrongly I’m more forgiving toward a ten out of ten. The service might be lacking but I’m banging a really hot woman and that could entice me to re-visit.

[Plan R]

A an arch visitor of Roms I've found that it's worth persevering with a visit or three* even after an initial 'cold' reception
*assuming I really fancy the SP

[alabama1]

Bob on there Atlas. Also rightly or wrongly I’m more forgiving toward a ten out of ten. The service might be lacking but I’m banging a really hot woman and that could entice me to re-visit.

I fully agree. I would rather pay for a sub standard service from a stunner, than a great service from a minger 

[Doc Holliday]

I fully agree. I would rather pay for a sub standard service from a stunner, than a great service from a minger 

This is a subject that first fascinated me many moons ago. I am in the opposite category and had once assumed I formed the majority.

However there was a now long gone parlour in Manchester, which featured a line up of high end SP's (in terms of appearance) and was somewhat dominant in the market. Very busy in its heyday.

One of the owners used to call punting forum members 'hobbyists' who had a largely fluffy attitude to the service aspect of punting.

As such they were, in his experience, atypical and he contested that the majority of punters visiting the establishment in question, just wanted to shag a very attractive woman and were not too concerned if she just lay there like a sack of spuds.

From that point and from further honest conversations with others I realised he had a valid point.

Still was not for me though. Service over looks every time.

[maybe]

This point of view changed with age for me.

When i was younger, i was looking for most stunning girl i could find, even if you didn't move it didn't matter ...
But now i'm maturing and my body don't work as well, service became more important, but i won't see any -1/10 girls even if their service was amazing. but i might see a 2/10 if they have good service and one other positive, price, attitude, done me a favour once, etc.

Although beauty is in the eye of the beholder, physical attraction is sometimes like getting used to a bad smell.

Bare with me on this one ....  At first you enter a room with a bad smell (think trap 2) and it smells bad but not enough to make you puke. Now you'll notice that once you stay long enough you eventually can't smell the bad smell any more. Therefore, once I got past the outer appearance and I have had some great repeat experiences. However, i will say that without some physical attraction or redeeming factors in the first place, I may never find those gems. Its like chicken and egg!

[LLPunting]

This is a subject that first fascinated me many moons ago. I am in the opposite category and had once assumed I formed the majority.

However there was a now long gone parlour in Manchester, which featured a line up of high end SP's (in terms of appearance) and was somewhat dominant in the market. Very busy in its heyday.

One of the owners used to call punting forum members 'hobbyists' who had a largely fluffy attitude to the service aspect of punting.

As such they were, in his experience, atypical and he contested that the majority of punters visiting the establishment in question, just wanted to shag a very attractive woman and were not too concerned if she just lay there like a sack of spuds.

From that point and from further honest conversations with others I realised he had a valid point.

Still was not for me though. Service over looks every time.

Absolutely concur.  Paying stupid money just because she's "very pretty"  but clearly resents your presence and effort is a toxic behaviour.  Punting other than low rent streetwalkers is not cheap whether 60 for 15mins or 500 for 1 hr.  I pay for a fun bit of a romp which requires the SP to (convincingly feign) participating in enthusiastic, enjoyable sex. For the most part barring obvious signs of disease, gross obesity or substance aggravated rot a not (too) unattractive, moderately over-weight matron who knows how to suck cock, enjoys a lapping and appreciates a few practiced inches at work in various ways front and back before packing you off with a cheeky slap and a frisky twinkle wins over some clueless, entitled merc every time; I have zero interest in paying to stand next to Ferrari and wank over the engine bay, I can do that most nights for free when the owner's too busy wasting thousands trying to prod a "model" in a hotel room.
With some extensive sampling you can find a bevy of 25-50 somethings who are pleasant company, at least as attractive as you are, genuinely enjoy a tumble and are happy to take your money from repeat custom.

[koshkaj]

i agree that service is most important, but it does vary a lot on here. plenty of reviews state something like "sex was meh but it was worth it to see a young spinner bouncing on my cock". the vast majority of SPs i see are not what i would call stunning, but usually the services received are at a decent level which is what i am looking for. i do understand it somewhat as if you do not find the girl attractive, why would you book them in the first place?

when i started this hobby my initial thoughts were that i (and everyone else) would only book the best looking girls, but soon came to the realisation that the cream of the crop looks wise, may not give an equivalent level of service and (for me) that is just not enough.

[YorkshireLad]

I’ve had a crap first meeting then saw positive reviews on here & went back & had a good meet so it can happen.

[Munter84]

I take the OP's point, it's not logical to throw good money after bad. And when so much choice exists, any effort (and money) you'd put into having a better second punt is surely better invested in finding a different WG to have a great first punt with.

However, I've had many punts that were lacking for some reason, and (perhaps this is the punting version of Stockholm Syndrome) I've walked away convinced that if only the initial comms had been better, or my nerves had been put at ease, or the language barrier had been overcome earlier, it would and should have been a 10/10 experience; and I'll find myself mentally keeping that WG as an option for a future visit. In practice I rarely revisit these "missed connection" type punts, which is perhaps the proof of the pudding. Still... it's human to wonder if you really got the full mileage out of an encounter, or if you left leaving extra value on the table, isn't it? It's also testament to the sheer amount of goodwill and second chances women can achieve as long as they're hot.

When all's said and done I'm pretty bad at revisiting good WGs, the average ones don't need to worry unduly about me darkening their door.

[koshkaj]

I take the OP's point, it's not logical to throw good money after bad. And when so much choice exists, any effort (and money) you'd put into having a better second punt is surely better invested in finding a different WG to have a great first punt with.

However, I've had many punts that were lacking for some reason, and (perhaps this is the punting version of Stockholm Syndrome) I've walked away convinced that if only the initial comms had been better, or my nerves had been put at ease, or the language barrier had been overcome earlier, it would and should have been a 10/10 experience; and I'll find myself mentally keeping that WG as an option for a future visit. In practice I rarely revisit these "missed connection" type punts, which is perhaps the proof of the pudding. Still... it's human to wonder if you really got the full mileage out of an encounter, or if you left leaving extra value on the table, isn't it? It's also testament to the sheer amount of goodwill and second chances women can achieve as long as they're hot.

When all's said and done I'm pretty bad at revisiting good WGs, the average ones don't need to worry unduly about me darkening their door.

i have occasionally had a punt that was not great, but i think it was down to me. in these cases, i am more likely to return for a second visit when i feel i am on better form. i get easily annoyed by bad comms, so am likely to cancel the entire thing, as if i am already in a bad mood, that starts the punt off on a bad note, even if the SP is excellent.

i don't do much wondering, probably because as you said there is an overwhelming amount of choice out there. i suppose it is like online dating - why bother to put any extra effort in when you can just move onto someone else? i have lots of civvies moaning to me about this in the dating market.

i used to spend a lot of time wondering about punts for various reasons, but have realised that everyone has a different definition of pretty much everything. Seen many SPs that have reports of stunning beauty, amazing owo, DT capabilities, is a nympho etc, and when my experience did not match, assumed i was at fault somehow. now i just accept things on face value and don't look too much deeper into it, takes the fun out of things.

[Nomerzypuntr]

Recently i have been seeing a few comments from fellow punters about SPs who "improve" on subsequent bookings. i can't quite get my head around this.

If i visit an SP for the first time and the service is nothing special, i see no reason to go back. i don't get why would anyone return hoping for a better experience the second time around? but it seems that there are some who do just that.

what is the thought process? "OK, i just paid £200 for this punt, it was not great (it was not bad either, it was just middle of the road), but i will return anyway to spend another £200 because it might be better the second time"?

All of the SPs i have revisited have been above average on the first booking, that's why i returned. which seems logical in my view.

i am wondering if i should return to some of the SPs i have only seen once to see if they magically improve too.

also for the purposes of this question, let's assume that the SP has a limited amount of reviews available or none.

KK I won’t go back to SP if I got average experience or service is nothing special. I think you may return to those who are VFM acc to your budget. I hope you will get a amazing regular SP. Also I had read reviews abt SPs I revisited, honestly I was lucky enough like the way they treated others is entirely different how they treated me.

[koshkaj]

KK I won’t go back to SP if I got average experience or service is nothing special. I think you may return to those who are VFM acc to your budget. I hope you will get a amazing regular SP. Also I had read reviews abt SPs I revisited, honestly I was lucky enough like the way they treated others is entirely different how they treated me.

Thank you for your input and everyone else who has continued to comment.

A regular SP for the kosh? i am being a (subjectively) good boy and saying my prayers every night

[Nomerzypuntr]

i am being a (subjectively) good boy

I’m not