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Offline Ivor Hunch

For me l enjoy giving RO. If the escort enjoys it we are all happy. Many make fake noises, get wet and say
they have cum but that’s all part of the fantasy.
One regular l see and know really well when l go down there l am about 20 minutes between her legs and l can
Put fingers inside as well as use my tongue. I also use toys and when she cums my face is covered in her warm liquid
and the towel under her is soaked. So when l am with others l know they have not cum.

different women orgasm in very different ways, so the fact that B does not soak you and the towel like A does, does not mean that B has not had an orgasm

Offline webpunter

It's a while ago now but another lady on saying she enjoyed the sex we had, invited me to stay with her the rest of the afternoon with no cost expectation. She told me at the time I was her last client, before preparing to return to Russia.

Just occasionally the punting stars line up
You've got be in it to win it
Ice broken things click
The burd is 'in the mood' her last day etc
She could have been thinking had some crap punters fancy a good seeing too & you walk in
She 'likes' you small margins when the magic door opens
You made your own luck being there in the 1st place
I've had a couple over the years where i depart thinking how the f*** did that just happen ?  :yahoo:
Certainly makes up for the crap meets [which TBF UKP does mostly help eliminate]
& when these ace meets have occasionally happened they are the least expected out of the blue which makes things even better
A very large slice of good luck helps

Offline Munter84

I'm sure we had a thread on this exact topic a couple of months back?

"I returned the favour" just means "I reciprocated", it's not some delusional belief that we're rocking the WG's world and we should be the ones getting paid.

(Although, for the record, some WGs do enjoy RO, not all, but when you find one who enjoys receiving it makes the giving that much better)

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different women orgasm in very different ways, so the fact that B does not soak you and the towel like A does, does not mean that B has not had an orgasm

Indeed. Conversely, it also doesn't conclusively mean that A has reached orgasm only that she has 'wet the bed'

Offline londonroad

different women orgasm in very different ways, so the fact that B does not soak you and the towel like A does, does not mean that B has not had an orgasm

I agree. I generally see girls for longer meets via the Seeking site, so plenty of opportunity for more intimate bedroom time. Before we get to the bedroom I ensure the girl is aware there is no need for her to fake it. I tell her if it happens, so be it. I agree with some of the earlier comments, that with some girls it is difficult to tell if she then does fake it. However, with some girls it is obvious and this is when you discover that different girls have different orgasms. I also agree with earlier comments that when a girl does cum it takes a lot out of her and this can reduce the chances of getting rounds two and three.

Offline WelshClipper

I just love hunting for the clitoris. That little upside down V  :yahoo:

Of course when she swings her leg over for 69 then it becomes a real V.

Plus there is the added bonus of having a starfish in your eyeballs.

Some clitores are easy to find, some take ages but it's all good fun.

And I am paying for fun  :)
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As a result of a recent 'nostalgic' conversation with someone, I am bumping this up again.

This is, even by my standards, a very long Doc H post and as such reading is optional  :D
It is also likely to be my last diatribe.

If I had a pound for every "do they orgasm" thread I have read over the last 20+ years ........

In relation to some of the replies, this discussion is about what happens during transactional sex and assuming the provider has given full consent, then the purchaser can choose the choreography they prefer. If their choice does not match yours then you may say so, but you should criticise their choice as the wrong one or delusional.

 

With those girls I've met who genuinely enjoy receiving it has certainly led to a lot of enhanced encounters with much increased and genuine engagement,


Agreed, although many SP’s will (understandably) vehemently deny publicly that this ever happens and it is a ‘can of worms’ topic.

Prior to me starting punting in my early fifties, (and for complex reasons) cunnilingus was my forte.
 
However, I viewed my skill set as irrelevant as part of paid sex. My rationale was (in common with many other SS’s and SP’s) that it should be primarily about the SP possessing the abilities (or not) to pleasure me.

So, for some time, reverse oral was, by choice, not something I engaged in as a punter. If suggested I turned it down.

Then from the start of one booking the SP was annoyingly insistent that I do it. My perception was that, together with other actions this was a time-wasting tactic. So, I relented. She was very ‘easy to read’ and within minutes she orgasmed. Nothing spectacular, but genuine.

However, she seemed more than a little taken aback by this rapid outcome and I sensed this was not a common occurrence for her? In particular her attitude for the remainder of the session became quite different.

So, from that booking, I gradually embarked on a different punting MO and a ‘journey of discovery’. The introduction of RO was to significantly affect the positive outcomes of my bookings. Some negatively also.

As a consequence, the subsequent sessions with hundreds of different women of all ages, types etc led to many ‘honest’ conversations with SPs on the subject of their orgasms …. or lack of them!

Here are the results of the Norwegian jury  :D

Inevitably there is no ‘black and white’ with the ‘orgasm’ topic, but much grey individual variation.

There is the aspect of 'choice' to first consider.

In general, the ability for women to orgasm is hugely variable. This produces a very large spectrum which ranges from ‘very easily’ to ‘rarely’ (or never) and everything in between. Some women may enjoy stimulation without reaching orgasm. Others do not and may find it frustrating. The method of achieving it is also similarly variable, as are the presenting signs of the orgasm itself. Move this reality to within the paid sex arena and another complicating dimension is introduced.

Consider why the ‘average’ SP would actually wish or seek to orgasm with a broad cross section of punters or indeed cope with the common ‘after effects’ including a potential female refractory period, tiredness, possible sensitivity, frustration or even ‘guilt’ and then carry on working and seeing other men in the same day etc.

As a consequence of these factors, SP’s, whatever their own personal capabilities in relation to their orgasms, may often choose not to do so while working and for a variety of reasons including the above.

This choice is usually not a practical problem for them to achieve, as I was consistently told the average punter does not have the necessary skills/technique anyway.

If with a punter who it seems is capable, then SP's will normally simply stop them by either saying so, or diverting in another way. Occasionally they may change their default choice and proceed.

It is difficult to quantify how many choose not to allow orgasm and also why? This choice may also be subject to daily variations etc.

So, of those who may choose to allow orgasm (should the situation arise) then how often does it actually happen?

A very small minority will orgasm fairly frequently with a cross section of punters who possess basic and adequate skills. This may mirror their personal life.

Another small minority will never orgasm or only orgasm extremely rarely and with just a very small number of punters. This also may mirror their civilian experinence.

Most SPs are likely to be grouped somewhere in between on this spectrum, but the majority of this group will tend to still only orgasm fairly infrequently and once again often with just a relatively small number of punters.

With the rise of the GFE especially, there can be huge pressures on SP’s by some punters to reach orgasm. As a result, faking is commonplace. There are good actresses who fool the majority. Others are not and fool nobody. Some find this pretence difficult and choose not to attempt the deception.

Does it matter if it is faked? For many punters it does not and I refer to my opening paragraph.

To be able to have any chance of accurately determining if an orgasm is genuine or not, you need to have a good deal of knowledge and experience of the ‘real thing’ outside of sex work. If you don’t and you are unsure whether an SP has orgasmed, then the balance of probability is that she hasn’t.

Pretty much all the physical signs mentioned can be faked (though this is a complex discussion) and are not therefore always reliable indicators. Equally in some cases none of the usual physical signs may be present but orgasm can still occur.

One memorable extreme example of this and one I have mentioned before, was after circa 15+ minutes of attention, there were almost no feedback 'indicators' present to assist me, other than her repeatedly asking me to please carry on.

Then she suddenly and in complete silence, gave a couple of very small tremors. She then briefly apologised and told me to speak to the receptionist before falling asleep. End of session.

Many reviews have always given the impression it was quite commonplace for the SP to orgasm, although often the phrase ‘I think’ is used. My view has always been this is inaccurate and is distorted by a combination of fantasy by the authors or being faked by the SP.

Does any of that really matter? Probably not  :hi:

If you got this far thanks for reading  :D

Good luck with your future endeavours  :hi:

Offline webpunter

@DH i hope you dont mind here's a simpler summary
Contractions & leaking like a knackered freezer are good signs

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@DH i hope you dont mind here's a simpler summary
Contractions & leaking like a knackered freezer are good signs

If you one can tell the difference between involuntary spasms and faked rapid, erratic voluntary ones
If you one can tell the difference between vaginal secretions (in all their guises and varieties) and piss from a well/over hydrated bladder.
AND as Doc points out only might be useful if the lady actually does either of these to a significant/any degree when she cums.

Edited as it wasn't about WP's specific expertise with the ladies
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Offline webpunter

If you can tell the difference between involuntary spasms and faked rapid, erratic voluntary ones
If you can tell the difference between vaginal secretions (in all their guises and varieties) and piss from a well/over hydrated bladder.
AND as Doc points out if the lady actually does either of these to a significant/any degree when she cums.

I didnt suggest our in house doc was wrong
I but provided a summary

With your prompt defence [IYCTTDB - twice] seems like i haven't got a scooby  :rolleyes:
Usually CBA however on the odd occasion think i just about know what to look for, paid & civvy action

Offline midspunter

I'm with Doc on this.

A lot of punters like to give cunnilingus because a. they just enjoy it and b. they hope there can be a degree of mutuality to the sex they are paying for.

Among escorts who allow the man to go down on them, some lie there waiting for the punter to get bored and stop, some get pleasant-ish sensations and are happy for him to continue, some fake orgasm and some actually cum. There is no way of anyone knowing how many fall into each category but I think we all probably agree the "actually cum" category is easily the smallest.

There is hopefully no harm to any of this. If a chap walks away from a faked orgasm with a spring in his step feeling like a balding Casanova, the escort has satisfied a customer. If she did cum or just have a nice time, it's a bonus for everyone.

It's not too complicated and, as ever, punting is an interaction between two humans in a vulnerable situation and just about anything that you can imagine might happen, probably does. As long as it is all consensual, judging them is missing the point.

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Edited as it wasn't about WP's specific expertise with the ladies

 :hi: or rather lack of it  :D

Offline MLawro93

I'm with Doc on this.

A lot of punters like to give cunnilingus because a. they just enjoy it and b. they hope there can be a degree of mutuality to the sex they are paying for.

Among escorts who allow the man to go down on them, some lie there waiting for the punter to get bored and stop, some get pleasant-ish sensations and are happy for him to continue, some fake orgasm and some actually cum. There is no way of anyone knowing how many fall into each category but I think we all probably agree the "actually cum" category is easily the smallest.

There is hopefully no harm to any of this. If a chap walks away from a faked orgasm with a spring in his step feeling like a balding Casanova, the escort has satisfied a customer. If she did cum or just have a nice time, it's a bonus for everyone.

It's not too complicated and, as ever, punting is an interaction between two humans in a vulnerable situation and just about anything that you can imagine might happen, probably does. As long as it is all consensual, judging them is missing the point.

I do find it odd that some guys really want to make a girl cum. If she is seeing multiple clients a day, then that's so much work. Imagine how sore she would be at the end of every day. Kind of crazy to think about, death by orgasms.

I personally enjoy RO, but it leading to a SP orgasming is actually not my goal. I just get orally fixated. I tell them its okay for you to tell me to stop, but better to enjoy it a little bit, etc. If not enjoying it, or you want me to adjust, then say so. No one wants shit oral, plus you're helping the next woman I happen to give RO to, by not reinforcing bad technique  :D

Some SPs genuinely can and will enjoy orgasming, but I always take it with a pinch of salt, because ultimately there is no incentive to be completely honest here. I am not a partner, lover, etc, I am a paying client. The main focus is going to be me.

Offline dutch

A lot of the time the girl claims she came and sometimes its so vocal its believable but i'm no idiot .If a girl cums like she does with me for every guy then there is some obviously fakery going on here other wise she'd be shattered at the end of the day with a red raw fanny and contracting muscles . But if she fakes ,its fine ,this is my fantasy after all and i'm willing to suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy it and maybe for a brief second think i'm a love god and not a overweight 50 year old .

Online alabama1

A lot of the time the girl claims she came and sometimes its so vocal its believable but i'm no idiot .If a girl cums like she does with me for every guy then there is some obviously fakery going on here other wise she'd be shattered at the end of the day with a red raw fanny and contracting muscles . But if she fakes ,its fine ,this is my fantasy after all and i'm willing to suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy it and maybe for a brief second think i'm a love god and not a overweight 50 year old .
Are you saying that she will only have a 'red raw fanny' if she orgasms ?  :unknown:

Offline KermitLeFroggy

I am sure there are other people who, like me, do not consider an orgasm to be the be all and end all of any sexual encounter. I can have a very satisfactory sexual encounter without cumming. I have been massaging people, mainly wives and girlfriends, for many decades. I've had training and I know I'm pretty good at it. I have one MT in particular that asks me for a massage. It's difficult to deny that one naked person massaging another naked person is not a sexual encounter. This MT seems to enjoy it as do I. Perhaps she really hates it but puts on a show because she knows I enjoy it. I take the principle of Occam's Razor that the easiest interpretation is that she really does enjoy it. In the worst case she's using up the time without having to do any work. It's a win/win situation. But things become complicated when orgasms are expected from either party.

Offline webpunter

I am sure there are other people who, like me, do not consider an orgasm to be the be all and end all of any sexual encounter. I can have a very satisfactory sexual encounter without cumming. I have been massaging people, mainly wives and girlfriends, for many decades. I've had training and I know I'm pretty good at it. I have one MT in particular that asks me for a massage. It's difficult to deny that one naked person massaging another naked person is not a sexual encounter. This MT seems to enjoy it as do I. Perhaps she really hates it but puts on a show because she knows I enjoy it. I take the principle of Occam's Razor that the easiest interpretation is that she really does enjoy it. In the worst case she's using up the time without having to do any work. It's a win/win situation. But things become complicated when orgasms are expected from either party.

Training & good at it eh ? like an NVQ with a certificate
Do you advertise on Vulvastreet there are blokes on there ?
Do you mean like your wives how many times have you been married ?
Or do you massage mates wives [& GFs] ?
Thats assuming you have any mates, obvs
It must be jargon from your set MT not that i'm interested
Do you get paid or are you one of the weird blokes you see advertising who offer it for free ?
Final Q do you massage blokes & get into cock action ?
 ;)

Offline B4bcock

As a result of a recent 'nostalgic' conversation with someone, I am bumping this up again.

This is, even by my standards, a very long Doc H post and as such reading is optional  :D
It is also likely to be my last diatribe.

Hopefully I'm misinterpreting this, Doc, but does it mean you are planning to cease giving your insightful views or, perish the thought, leave the forum?  Either way would be a great loss to us all, so I hope I'm wrong.  I appreciate that, under site rules, anybody leaving should go quietly and not make any fuss or announcements, so you may not be able to reply fully to this post.  It is certainly a great last diatribe, as ever, full of useful and thought provoking content.

Offline Malvolio

I can't be the only person on here who enjoys a 69 when punting - face full of fanny and the opportunity to run your hands all over her body whilst she sucks away.

Offline Thephoenix

Hopefully I'm misinterpreting this, Doc, but does it mean you are planning to cease giving your insightful views or, perish the thought, leave the forum?  Either way would be a great loss to us all, so I hope I'm wrong.  I appreciate that, under site rules, anybody leaving should go quietly and not make any fuss or announcements, so you may not be able to reply fully to this post.  It is certainly a great last diatribe, as ever, full of useful and thought provoking content.

The Doc's quite a smart Alec, but in my case I know they've orgasmed when they go gozzy eyed and start speaking in tongues.

I don't care about the rules.
The Doc's contributions to this forum are too important to simply peter out like one of my Happy Endings. :rolleyes:

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Hopefully I'm misinterpreting this, Doc, but does it mean you are planning to cease giving your insightful views or, perish the thought, leave the forum?  Either way would be a great loss to us all, so I hope I'm wrong.  I appreciate that, under site rules, anybody leaving should go quietly and not make any fuss or announcements, so you may not be able to reply fully to this post.  It is certainly a great last diatribe, as ever, full of useful and thought provoking content.

I meant it will be just my last long diatribe, for reasons I may explain later.

I also heard a rumour that I am being replaced by AI  :D

Offline KermitLeFroggy

Training & good at it eh ? like an NVQ with a certificate
I have certificates but not for that.
Do you advertise on Vulvastreet there are blokes on there ?
Never needed to.
Do you mean like your wives how many times have you been married ?
Three.
Or do you massage mates wives [& GFs] ?
Yes
Thats assuming you have any mates, obvs
Not any more.
It must be jargon from your set MT not that i'm interested
Why are you then asking me so many questions?
Do you get paid or are you one of the weird blokes you see advertising who offer it for free ?
Yes. Would you like one?
Final Q do you massage blokes & get into cock action ?
Not recently but I'll make an exception for you. Seems like you need something fulfilling in your life.

Offline Thephoenix

I have certificates but not for that. Never needed to. Three. Yes Not any more. Why are you then asking me so many questions? Yes. Would you like one? Not recently but I'll make an exception for you. Seems like you need something fulfilling in your life.

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Offline Nomerzypuntr

In reading reviews I see a lot of the following type of thing:

"[she gave good OWO]...so I returned the favour by giving her RO"
"I think she came and showed her appreciation with some nice kissing."

Obviously outside of punting you want to ensure that your partner is happy. However in the punting world we are paying clients, so, obviously to a degree and all done with the best of respect, we can ask for/do what we want? What I mean by that is if a SP gave you great OWO for example, I wouldn't feel then need to "return the favour" by giving her RO for example. If I want to, then great, but wouldn't feel obliged to. Equally just because you made her cum, I wouldn't expect 'better' service? The service should be the service, yes?

I could be overthinking this but I've seen it for a while now and while everyone is entitled to do whatever they like, it's their money after all, just thought I would see what everyone else thought. Would a SP provide better service if she also had a great time as well?

I don’t think returning the favour here OWO = RO, we pay to do these things, SPs don’t mind that. They actually looking for men who are clean, get in time, stay in boundaries, being respectful in meets. They will please.. it’s their part of job. They usually see many men, sometimes if we are lucky we get good vibe with them, which makes us seeing them again. Keep in mind we are nobodies favourite, just one of their clients, boundaries needed to be there. If their service is good, we can appreciate them verbally, can give kiss/hugs with their consent, regular visits/gifts. And if you don’t do these, still doesn’t matter to SPs.

Idk how it’s like SP cumming? Once I gave a SP RO, she was shivering, movement of thighs, legs over me, her hands on my head, she sounds strange, makes sound, her fingers on her mouth, banging the bed towards wall, but didn’t saw vaginal discharge. After I fucked her, she kissed my neck, then I got full control on her, pressing boobs hard, long DFk, spanking her ass, she kissed me more before leaving her room.

With other SP, tried vibrator on her, they make sound, I put my one finger then two fingers, I felt wetness there, fingering was good while kissing her DFK. No discharge seen, maybe too much watching porn..

I had many other experiences from diff SPs like this, one said go hard on her while fucking, switch positions, spanking. Saliva exchanges during DFK. One SP refused kissing my neck in Round 1, but Round 2 I was unable to finish so I tried switching positions, she kissed my neck, scratched my back. When I cum, didn’t rushed to get rid of me.

I don’t have a complaint on SPs fake moaning or cumming, coz me also act as male porno :D , I always tried to make full use of each SPs, bt sometimes it won’t end well. TBH I’m tired of punting new.


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On the OPs post, I would hazard a guess that most prossies, when they realise that the punter wants to eat them out, internally groan and not in a good way. Number of reasons for this in no particular order.

1 - Delays the ejaculation and ending of proceedings. Counter argument "not my prossies, they keep going... i last an hour... i pumped her for 30 minutes...i get a massage...i only use Elite high class...". No, they want you to cum and fuck off as soon as possible more or less. Otherwise they'd be dating you.
2 - Risks. Not just thrush and STDs. Rips, tears, bruising, stubble cuts, stubble hair impaling and remaining stuck in. Fingers and nails. Arse to Cunt shit transfer.
3 - When a man find the clit, what they do with it. Pain certainly, and repeated daily attacks on it is painful. Non circumcised blokes give it a go with the base of your bellend or 10 minutes of hard rubbing on one tiny point 12 times in a day.
4 - And if they actually are liking it, cumming, getting sleepy which is not just a male preserve, or getting carried away and connects in a way they do not want to.

The idea that we have of strutting into a room with a stranger, after 3 mins of them sucking your cock believing that you then spending 5 minutes lashing around in her gusset will bring her an orgasm is as laughable as the men claiming they are pumping away for 30 minutes in one position. Of course we have all had time when you are down there, and you persist, you know what you are doing, and she gets beyond the initial fakery that they get into it, but it takes time and certainly not the 60 seconds of boner dying lapping that is the reality  :cool:

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On the OPs post, I would hazard a guess that most prossies, when they realise that the punter wants to eat them out, internally groan and not in a good way. Number of reasons for this in no particular order.

1 - Delays the ejaculation and ending of proceedings. Counter argument "not my prossies, they keep going... i last an hour... i pumped her for 30 minutes...i get a massage...i only use Elite high class...". No, they want you to cum and fuck off as soon as possible more or less. Otherwise they'd be dating you.
2 - Risks. Not just thrush and STDs. Rips, tears, bruising, stubble cuts, stubble hair impaling and remaining stuck in. Fingers and nails. Arse to Cunt shit transfer.
3 - When a man find the clit, what they do with it. Pain certainly, and repeated daily attacks on it is painful. Non circumcised blokes give it a go with the base of your bellend or 10 minutes of hard rubbing on one tiny point 12 times in a day.
4 - And if they actually are liking it, cumming, getting sleepy which is not just a male preserve, or getting carried away and connects in a way they do not want to.

The idea that we have of strutting into a room with a stranger, after 3 mins of them sucking your cock believing that you then spending 5 minutes lashing around in her gusset will bring her an orgasm is as laughable as the men claiming they are pumping away for 30 minutes in one position. Of course we have all had time when you are down there, and you persist, you know what you are doing, and she gets beyond the initial fakery that they get into it, but it takes time and certainly not the 60 seconds of boner dying lapping that is the reality  :cool:
Well said.. :hi:

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Non circumcised blokes give it a go with the base of your bellend or 10 minutes of hard rubbing on one tiny point 12 times in a day.

At first I thought this must be an error by Hamchang, but I now see that he is right - the reason being that the foreskin (being there to serve a number of useful purposes) protects the glans and keeps it sensitive (as nature intended); whereas circumcision, by removing the essential protection and means of natural lubrication, enormously reduces the glans' sensitivity, as the surface keratinises in response to constant friction with clothes and skin.

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At first I thought this must be an error by Hamchang, but I now see that he is right - the reason being that the foreskin (being there to serve a number of useful purposes) protects the glans and keeps it sensitive (as nature intended); whereas circumcision, by removing the essential protection and means of natural lubrication, enormously reduces the glans' sensitivity, as the surface keratinises in response to constant friction with clothes and skin.

or, male genital mutilation destroys the majority of the pleasure men get from sex.  :cry:

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or, male genital mutilation destroys the majority of the pleasure men get from sex.  :cry:

Yes indeed. A barbaric, medically unnecessary and pleasure-reducing downgrade. What slender efficacy it was once imagined it might have in reducing the rates of STIs, largely comes from incapacitating the adults on whom it's inflicted - they usually can't have sex for 6-9months at all - and those are the lucky ones who escape the further complications that can often arise.

I'm looking forward to the day that it's outlawed.

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