Escorts refusing to see because of UKP

[alabama1]

There's a lot of SPs on here silently reading everything we write. I think posting any identifying photos on here is a bad idea as at some point the SP will retire and want a normal life. They don't want photos with their face posted on here forever. I think that's a reasonable thing for an SP to want.

It's not the members responsibility on here to ensure that the SP has 'a normal life' in retirement. If it's the SP's choice to show her face on her profile, then its her business not ours as regards the consequences.

[Buggys123]

Its been a while since i've last left a review and thats mainly due to a busy summer but partly due to the difficulty in arranging bookings. I have tried a few times over the last month to book with girls whose profiles seem half decent only to be told my number has flagged up as leaving fake reviews on UKP and for that reason I cannot be seen. Anyone else had similar experience? Im partly worried about my number floating around some SW forums - teaches me a lesson for not having a separate punting phone . I suspect I was "blacklisted" after my ?controversial? negative review of an eastern European girl as since then I have struggled to secure any bookings.

[Massage Bloke]

There is a thread running on the subject.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=458049.0

[Massage Bloke]

You've left a total of twenty reviews. Just three of them are positive!

Connections have no been made, and SPs have realised that they will almost certainly receive a neg or neutral from you.

Get a punting phone.

[southcoastpunter]

There is a thread running on the subject.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=458049.0

This happens too much - don’t people do a search pot look back a bit before starting a new thread?

[Fuzzyduck]

Its been a while since i've last left a review and thats mainly due to a busy summer but partly due to the difficulty in arranging bookings. I have tried a few times over the last month to book with girls whose profiles seem half decent only to be told my number has flagged up as leaving fake reviews on UKP and for that reason I cannot be seen. Anyone else had similar experience? Im partly worried about my number floating around some SW forums - teaches me a lesson for not having a separate punting phone . I suspect I was "blacklisted" after my ?controversial? negative review of an eastern European girl as since then I have struggled to secure any bookings.

So has it taught you? Have you now got a punting phone? If not, you're a bit of a fuckwit and you know why.

[Poopster]

There is a thread running on the subject.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=458049.0

Compare that thread to this one. 

[daviemac]

Compare that thread to this one.

I merged Buggys123's thread with this one after Massage Bloke posted a link to it.

[Upsndowns79]

Its been a while since i've last left a review and thats mainly due to a busy summer but partly due to the difficulty in arranging bookings. I have tried a few times over the last month to book with girls whose profiles seem half decent only to be told my number has flagged up as leaving fake reviews on UKP and for that reason I cannot be seen. Anyone else had similar experience? Im partly worried about my number floating around some SW forums - teaches me a lesson for not having a separate punting phone . I suspect I was "blacklisted" after my ?controversial? negative review of an eastern European girl as since then I have struggled to secure any bookings.

Just had a look at your reviews Buggsy 

10 Reds from 20 reviews and only 3 Greens

[Massage Bloke]

Just had a look at your reviews Buggsy 

10 Reds from 20 reviews and only 3 Greens

It's all very strange.

He still doesn't seem to realise that he has been "blacklisted" as a consequence of his reviews. Even though he says in his post that SPs have told him his number has been flagged for leaving those reviews.

Buggsy, if you are reading this, your number has been reported to Client Eye (and maybe elsewhere) because SPs know that if they accept a booking from you, they are almost certainly going to receive a neg or neutral review from you.

And even though you are an habitual leaver of bad reviews, it seems you've been using your main phone, and not a punting phone!

[Upsndowns79]

It's all very strange.

He still doesn't seem to realise that he has been "blacklisted" as a consequence of his reviews. Even though he says in his post that SPs have told him his number has been flagged for leaving those reviews.

Buggsy, if you are reading this, your number has been reported to Client Eye (and maybe elsewhere) because SPs know that if they accept a booking from you, they are almost certainly going to receive a neg or neutral review from you.

And even though you are an habitual leaver of bad reviews, it seems you've been using your main phone, and not a punting phone!

I’ll be honest if my punting experiences were as bad as his I’d either have quit a long time ago or do much more in depth research on here before booking.

Edit - on closer inspection there is a pattern where his neutrals tend to be well reviewed girls suggesting the OP has high standards and is perhaps difficult to please. His Negatives tend to be either TOFTT opportunities or girls with limited poor feedback.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Just a scanning through a few of them i think the neg nutural ones are quite justified, maybe he's not as tolerant as some here..

[Massage Bloke]

Just a scanning through a few of them i think the neg nutural ones are quite justified, maybe he's not as tolerant as some here..

But if you've had twenty punts, and only three were positive experiences, surely you would start to doubt the wisdom of continuing with the hobby. 

It reminds me of my "lost" years supporting Leyton Orient. Despite the endless disappointment, I'd return week after week. 

It's a shame because Buggsy's reviews are eloquent and easy to read.

But he seems surprised that there are consequences for him. 

With that track record he should be changing punting phones regulary, and generally trying to prevent SPs from making connections.

[Fuzzyduck]

But if you've had twenty punts, and only three were positive experiences, surely you would start to doubt the wisdom of continuing with the hobby. 

It reminds me of my "lost" years supporting Leyton Orient. Despite the endless disappointment, I'd return week after week. 

It's a shame because Buggsy's reviews are eloquent and easy to read.

But he seems surprised that there are consequences for him. 

With that track record he should be changing punting phones regulary, and generally trying to prevent SPs from making connections.

All you know is he's posted 3 positive reviews out of 20, not that he's only had 20 punts. It's not unknown that some guys don't post reviews of their regulars or hidden gems. Only OP can comment on the overall positiveness of his punts but, given the examination his post has received, I doubt we'll hear from him about it.

[Upsndowns79]

As I said in my comment Buggsy may have high standards and there is nothing at all wrong with that. What I might perceive as a 8/10 experience someone else might think 6/10.

I was attempting to be helpful in what come across in a critical way of the majority of the Red reviews. As has been pointed out the comments about the experience support the rating but almost all of the SP’s have either no other reviews or limited sketchy feedback.

These types of bookings are high risk and if Buggsy has high standards as I perceive then these types of bookings might not be best suited.

We are all different and when it comes to reviews there’s no right or wrong way of doing it.

[Massage Bloke]

As I said in my comment Buggsy may have high standards and there is nothing at all wrong with that. What I might perceive as a 8/10 experience someone else might think 6/10.

I was attempting to be helpful in what come across in a critical way of the majority of the Red reviews. As has been pointed out the comments about the experience support the rating but almost all of the SP’s have either no other reviews or limited sketchy feedback.

These types of bookings are high risk and if Buggsy has high standards as I perceive then these types of bookings might not be best suited.

We are all different and when it comes to reviews there’s no right or wrong way of doing it.

The SPs clearly think he is doing something wrong, hence they've blacklisted him! 

[Heph]

The SPs clearly think he is doing something wrong, hence they've blacklisted him! 

Well, that's probably not quite what's happened. More likely 1 or 2 have taken offence, and, more importantly, retributive action.

It may be that he is too pernickety, but equally, most of us don't review to the majority of our encounters, because the good ones tend to encourage repeat bookings and (for good reasons) there's only so often we can re-review these occasions.

[Paul9144]

As I said in my comment Buggsy may have high standards and there is nothing at all wrong with that. What I might perceive as a 8/10 experience someone else might think 6/10.

I was attempting to be helpful in what come across in a critical way of the majority of the Red reviews. As has been pointed out the comments about the experience support the rating but almost all of the SP’s have either no other reviews or limited sketchy feedback.

These types of bookings are high risk and if Buggsy has high standards as I perceive then these types of bookings might not be best suited.

We are all different and when it comes to reviews there’s no right or wrong way of doing it.

Correct, there is absolutely nothing wrong with us having high standards. Especially, with this being an industry that provides services. However, we as punters should always be looking at our own standards and always looking at ways to improve our conduct too, and constantly looking at what reflects us and most importantly our escorting reviewing platform in the best way, e.g things that we can control such as good booking etiquette, clear and concise communications when reaching out to SP's that are strictly in adherence with the SP's advertising profiles. Good hygiene, being well groomed is important, and a good level of fitness etc is most beneficial (https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=449128.0), which in turn supports our mental health. These are all things that we can control that will put us in the best frame of mind from our side, which will also in turn get positively noticed by the SP's. Don't misconstrued me here, you'll always get a few incompetent SP's and SP managers, and when that happens, this is where we feed that information back through our reviews and regional discussions to warn others. Sure, we may get CE reviews against us for leaving negative reviews. Firstly, we can't control that and secondly, if them SP's want to damage their own income potential by not facing up to and rectifying the poor services that they provide and want to also damage other SP's income potential because then other SP's read them CE reports, and then in turn don't want to see us, then so be it. It makes no difference to us as long as we're following the correct process and doing what we should be doing as reviewers, then that's what counts. We'll just change our punting phone numbers every now and then, and steer clear of the bad eggs. To my final point as touched on before (https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=453985.msg4449209#msg4449209). As long as our reviews are done with total truthfulness, honestly and accuracy, then that's what ultimately matters regardless of the written style/format.

[Fitsarahgfe]

It’s not always that simple. A few days ago, I got a message from a guy who:

- threatened one girl a bad review on UKP because she wouldn’t do an outcall to his house (she only does incalls)

- enjoyed 10 minutes of OWO with another girl, then demanded a full refund and threatened her with a bad review

-tried to pressure another girl into bareback anal, and when she refused, threatened her with a bad review too.

Is he wondering why I blocked him? Probably.
Is he here complaining that he is struggling to make a booking? Possibly.
Will he ever change his phone number? I hope not.

[scutty brown]

It’s not always that simple. A few days ago, I got a message from a guy who:

- threatened one girl a bad review on UKP because she wouldn’t do an outcall to his house (she only does incalls)

- enjoyed 10 minutes of OWO with another girl, then demanded a full refund and threatened her with a bad review

-tried to pressure another girl into bareback anal, and when she refused, threatened her with a bad review too.

Is he wondering why I blocked him? Probably.
Is he here complaining that he is struggling to make a booking? Possibly.
Will he ever change his phone number? I hope not.

Sarah
I hope you've reported these details and his ID to  the Admin team here

[Upsndowns79]

Sarah
I hope you've reported these details and his ID to  the Admin team here

100% this

[Fitsarahgfe]

Sarah
I hope you've reported these details and his ID to  the Admin team here

Unfortunately, all I’ve got is his phone number.

[Upsndowns79]

Unfortunately, all I’ve got is his phone number.

That’s a shame.

Weasels like this make all of our lives more difficult. Hopefully the fact he has 3 reports of this nature mean he is already struggling with bookings but as you say Sarah he I’ll probably just ditch his number 

[Paul9144]

It’s not always that simple. A few days ago, I got a message from a guy who:

- threatened one girl a bad review on UKP because she wouldn’t do an outcall to his house (she only does incalls)

- enjoyed 10 minutes of OWO with another girl, then demanded a full refund and threatened her with a bad review

-tried to pressure another girl into bareback anal, and when she refused, threatened her with a bad review too.

Is he wondering why I blocked him? Probably.
Is he here complaining that he is struggling to make a booking? Possibly.
Will he ever change his phone number? I hope not.

Sarah,

I appreciate your points and understand them as I do go on the SAAFE forum every now and then - I do see the wider picture.

Just because I'm a punter myself, I'm not at all biased here.

However, our experienced forum moderators and administration team here won't tolerate this type of behaviour from our members on this forum. There are a few examples of members like this under 'reason for ban' for what you've mentioned here.

Sarah
I hope you've reported these details and his ID to  the Admin team here

As @scutty brown has mentioned, you can get in touch with our moderating team on here or through 'Punter Punter' via email.

[Fitsarahgfe]

That’s a shame.

Weasels like this make all of our lives more difficult. Hopefully the fact he has 3 reports of this nature mean he is already struggling with bookings but as you say Sarah he I’ll probably just ditch his number 

Those warnings, and many others about him, have been added over the past few years, so I guess he’s not that clever after all. But that’s why I’m not a fan of advising guys to change their phone numbers. You never know what they might have done.

[finn5555]

But that’s why I’m not a fan of advising guys to change their phone numbers. You never know what they might have done.

Its always a catch 22 with mobile numbers, yes it helps you report wronguns on CE etc. but equally some WG's post fake reports on guys if they leave negative feedback for instance (even if the service was shit)

[Paul9144]

Its always a catch 22 with mobile numbers, yes it helps you report wronguns on CE etc. but equally some WG's post fake reports on guys if they leave negative feedback for instance (even if the service was shit)

Yes, you're correct regarding false/wrongful CE reports against punters as it has been documented on here by our members.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459570.msg4492809#msg4492809
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459570.msg4493746#msg4493746
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=459570.msg4493770#msg4493770

The above links I'm sure are just a few examples of this.

But, I do however see and recognise the importance of SP safety and totally acknowledge the benefits of their safety platforms.

Ultimately, we've collectively as an industry got to play by the rules and the follow the correct process each way.

[JonasG]

A half regular of mine showed me my CE reports for my number and it's all this really harsh stuff lol. That paints me as troublemaker when I'm anything but. I get the impression some escorts just jump the gun to flag us on there.

A few saying I'm JonasG from UKP who's a twat and should be avoided as I go into too much detail lol.

When my reviews are always fair and going into detail is to help other punters. Seems unfair to say avoid me for that reason.

A few saying I'm a prick for cancelling and that i collect postcodes. But when i always cancel in good time because of work stuff/meetings. Surely it's respectful to cancel instead of ghosting?

Feels like reports should only be entered by escorts for actual shit behaviour in meetings. Not this arbitrary stuff.

[Fitsarahgfe]

Feels like reports should only be entered by escorts for actual shit behaviour in meetings. Not this arbitrary stuff.

Many of the reports are stupid and pointless, I just ignore them. 

[Upsndowns79]

Many of the reports are stupid and pointless, I just ignore them.

I guess it’s much the same as us on here. If there’s the odd “time waster, never books” or “cancelled on me” comment but the communication seems genuine etc you would probably be ok. Like if a girl has a stack of good reviews but gets a red due to poor admin or just not connecting.

Whereas, if a punter has reports for been unclean or violent it’s a straight block.

[RandomGuy99]

Many of the reports are stupid and pointless, I just ignore them.

Well if SPs are misusing CE and posting any old complaints they have because someone enquired and then didn't make a booking, then it seems like we should all be changing our numbers regularly to avoid the fake reports.

[Upsndowns79]

Well if SPs are misusing CE and posting any old complaints they have because someone enquired and then didn't make a booking, then it seems like we should all be changing our numbers regularly to avoid the fake reports.

The issues is though as has been pointed out that changing numbers protects the bullies, weasels and arseholes which in turn makes it difficult for us all.

To this point I’ve not had any issues with SP’s not responding or cancelling on me and I’m still on my 1st burner number that I’ve had for nearly 2 years.

I’ve no idea if I have any bad reports but if I do then as suggested they must be trivial.

[RandomGuy99]

The issues is though as has been pointed out that changing numbers protects the bullies, weasels and arseholes which in turn makes it difficult for us all.

To this point I’ve not had any issues with SP’s not responding or cancelling on me and I’m still on my 1st burner number that I’ve had for nearly 2 years.

I’ve no idea if I have any bad reports but if I do then as suggested they must be trivial.

I'm still on the same number from 4 yrs ago. but I recently had an SP I had successfully seen twice before not respond to messages and then tell me my UKP username as an explanation for why she wasn't going to see me. I had mistakenly left her a positive review on here. Either she didn't like the review or she didn't like the idea of me being a UKP member.

[Fitsarahgfe]

Well if SPs are misusing CE and posting any old complaints they have because someone enquired and then didn't make a booking, then it seems like we should all be changing our numbers regularly to avoid the fake reports.

Just trust that girls are able to make their own judgment when reading those reports. Not seeing someone who writes pointless/angry/stupid ones, or someone who takes them seriously, might actually mean you’ve dodged a bullet 

[RandomGuy99]

Just trust that girls are able to make their own judgment when reading those reports. Not seeing someone who writes pointless/angry/stupid ones, or someone who takes them seriously, might actually mean you’ve dodged a bullet 

[JonasG]

Well if SPs are misusing CE and posting any old complaints they have because someone enquired and then didn't make a booking, then it seems like we should all be changing our numbers regularly to avoid the fake reports.

Yeah it's shit.

A good few times I've tried to book an escort and not got a reply using the number with my CE reports of nonsense. And then used another number and they reply and i see them.

It may be being a member on here spooks escorts?

But it seems shit to me escorts slagging you off on CE for being on here. If you're faking reviews fair enough, but the tone of the CE reports on me for being a UKP member was quite insulting.

Because I've actually done nothing wrong. From what i recall at least 2 of the reports called me a twat for being on here.

[Jonestown]

What’s the nationality of the girls getting stroppy about UKP ?

[Nomerzypuntr]

Yeah it's shit.

A good few times I've tried to book an escort and not got a reply using the number with my CE reports of nonsense. And then used another number and they reply and i see them.

It may be being a member on here spooks escorts?

But it seems shit to me escorts slagging you off on CE for being on here. If you're faking reviews fair enough, but the tone of the CE reports on me for being a UKP member was quite insulting.

Because I've actually done nothing wrong. From what i recall at least 2 of the reports called me a twat for being on here.

Can’t believe this. Is your any reg doing this?? There’s only 49p for SIM in Lidl, I think you approach SPs who uses whtsapp. There’s no way of tracking this.

[MissWolf]

Just trust that girls are able to make their own judgment when reading those reports. Not seeing someone who writes pointless/angry/stupid ones, or someone who takes them seriously, might actually mean you’ve dodged a bullet 

Absolutely,  I check every number and read the reports and then I decide if I want to see them. For me CE is one tool I use for screening, not the only tool and by far not the most important tool, communication and gut instinct are definitely more important to me.

Reports like, idiot, time waster, doesn't read profile,  asking for times I don't do, asking for days I'm not working, ased stupid questions,  postcode collector etc mean nothing to me, unless of course there are dozens of reports like that along with a few more detailed ones.

Don't tend to take notice of the ones that say, asking if I do BB, because the client may have been asking to rule it out as something an escort offers, not because they wanted it. Sadly its a bit of a shoot yourself in the foot question.

The postcode collector one always makes me scratch my head, how else is a guy to know if he can get to you, granting a large city a single accommodation block can have its own postcode but the one next door or across the road is good enough.

I have had calls and messages off guys with 100s if reports,  the largest was over 300, mostly for creepy calls and wanking on the phone 

[Thephoenix]

I assume unlike UKP, CE reports are only negative.
I assume there's no such thing as positive reports to add balance or any kind of challenges from other SPs against what appears to be a spurious report.

I'm trying to keep a straight face, but it is rather depressing.

I believe in Angels. Are there any SP Angels?

[jamiekinkxxx]

I believe that CE serves a purpose and was 100% set up for the right / correct reasons, however it is so easy to navigate around it with burner phones / emails that the  dodgy punters that it is their to expose can play the system.

Alas for genuine punters what CE also inadvertently facilitates is that it gets exploited with retaliatory / malicious reports from disgruntled SPs with zero recourse for the punter affected.
 
However UKP and other 'review' sites can suffer from the same double edged sword due to a few rouge members (e.g. those suffering from EA, refused services or just plain wrong-uns).

[Upsndowns79]

Agreed that both CE and UKP can get incorrect info but and I think it’s a big but. This place does provide balance. Punters can provide feedback ranging from horrendous to amazing.

The mods do a good job of ensuring that the site rules are adhered to and I think a lot of the low life’s get weeded out or called out by other members.

This place also offers SP’s a voice on here and the few that take up this option I think add value to the debate and discussion.

I 100% see the need for CE and fully support SO’s using it for their own safety but think it would be better if SP’s could leave positive feedback to balance things out. I get that SP’s probably aren’t interested in writing of reading detailed reviews but the ability to leave  :thumbsup:or  would help I think.

[Strawberry]

Agreed that both CE and UKP can get incorrect info but and I think it’s a big but. This place does provide balance. Punters can provide feedback ranging from horrendous to amazing.

The mods do a good job of ensuring that the site rules are adhered to and I think a lot of the low life’s get weeded out or called out by other members.

This place also offers SP’s a voice on here and the few that take up this option I think add value to the debate and discussion.

I 100% see the need for CE and fully support SO’s using it for their own safety but think it would be better if SP’s could leave positive feedback to balance things out. I get that SP’s probably aren’t interested in writing of reading detailed reviews but the ability to leave  :thumbsup:or  would help I think.

CE isn't a review app, and positives are likely to obscure information, plus scope to be abused.

[MissWolf]

I believe that CE serves a purpose and was 100% set up for the right / correct reasons, however it is so easy to navigate around it with burner phones / emails that the  dodgy punters that it is their to expose can play the system.

Alas for genuine punters what CE also inadvertently facilitates is that it gets exploited with retaliatory / malicious reports from disgruntled SPs with zero recourse for the punter affected.
 
However UKP and other 'review' sites can suffer from the same double edged sword due to a few rouge members (e.g. those suffering from EA, refused services or just plain wrong-uns).

Absolutely this and thats why on there as on here its always a case of YMMV and take from it what you need, a sea of reds on here, 30, 50, 100 or upwards of 200+ reports on CE and its probably a hard no on there too.

I've seen clients with 10+ reports and they have been perfect with me, but we all have different criteria,  ive also seen clients with 0 or 1 who have been a bloody nightmare or ghosted me 

[Strawberry]

Absolutely this and thats why on there as on here its always a case of YMMV and take from it what you need, a sea of reds on here, 30, 50, 100 or upwards of 200+ reports on CE and its probably a hard no on there too.

I've seen clients with 10+ reports and they have been perfect with me, but we all have different criteria,  ive also seen clients with 0 or 1 who have been a bloody nightmare or ghosted me 

Exactly - zero reports does not = safe.

[Upsndowns79]

CE isn't a review app, and positives are likely to obscure information, plus scope to be abused.

I get that strawberry & believe me I’m 100% an advocate in girls having tools to help protect them.

I also understand that you are not going to spend time writing reviews but in light of the examples of numbers appearing with the occasional “time waster or post code collector” comment. If you could see a visualisation of 35 x 👍 2 x 👎 it would provide some reassurance that the comments were potentially flippant.

In terms of scope to be abused as I understand it to get access you must have to be advertising for adult services? This must make it difficult to abuse directly and I’m sure it would be possible for the site owners to monitor irregular patterns?

Anyway I digress I guess what is important is that it provides a service for you that’s useful.