Escorts refusing to see because of UKP

[Sunny]

 Was randomly looking at escort rankings the other day and noticed a service provider left a positive review of herself on her own profile (Mistakenly put her name down) Suspect she might have also “created” other reviews on her profile page as well. Thank god for UKP

[RandomGuy99]

Many see UKP as punters being two faced as they leave a positive on AW and then maybe a negative on here and then the drama starts. They also don't like the language and detailed descriptions some SSs use in their reviews. SPs tolerate UKP. None of them actually like it.

[myothernameis]

Many see UKP as punters being two faced as they leave a positive on AW and then maybe a negative on here and then the drama starts. They also don't like the language and detailed descriptions some SSs use in their reviews. SPs tolerate UKP. None of them actually like it.

Before Ukpunting there were other forums, and one particular forum, like UKP had a big section for reviews.   Some of the reviews were quite graphic in detail, and some punters would not tell what went on between escort and the punter

So when UKP wasn't around, and we relied on other forums for reviews, so with escorts did they have issues with these other forums

[RandomGuy99]

Before Ukpunting there were other forums, and one particular forum, like UKP had a big section for reviews.   Some of the reviews were quite graphic in detail, and some punters would not tell what went on between escort and the punter

So when UKP wasn't around, and we relied on other forums for reviews, so with escorts did they have issues with these other forums

I imagine that they did. SPs want to get on with servicing customers and making money with the minimum of drama. SSs just want to have a good time and spend their money wisely also with the minimum of drama. Some kind of review site is helpful to SPs as it drives work to good SPs and away from not so good ones and SSs as it helps us find the good ones although we all like different things so what one SS considers a bad looking SP might be exactly what another SS is looking for. You're never going to be able to please all SPs and SSs but I think UKP is a good resource for both although I agree that sometimes the language used by some can be offensive and reviews on here can cause drama for SPs and SSs. Reviews do set a SS's expectations and of the SP doesn't deliver a similar experience to all then SSs are disappointed and confused. They blame the SP and in some cases that is unfair.  I think it takes both SS and SP to be working well together on a booking to make it a good one.

[Munter84]

Many see UKP as punters being two faced as they leave a positive on AW and then maybe a negative on here and then the drama starts. They also don't like the language and detailed descriptions some SSs use in their reviews. SPs tolerate UKP. None of them actually like it.

That's because the AW review system is biased against punters and open to abuse. I would trust a UKP review over an AW one any day of the week. We punters know very well that any AW feedback we give had better be gushing praise, or else we can expect smears and blacklisting in revenge.

By the nature of sex work, a review is going to be personal, but beyond that I don't get what the big issue is that some WGs have with being reviewed? If I wanted to hire a plumber I'd seek out reviews that give an honest appraisal of their skill and VFM. 

[RandomGuy99]

That's because the AW review system is biased against punters and open to abuse. I would trust a UKP review over an AW one any day of the week. We punters know very well that any AW feedback we give had better be gushing praise, or else we can expect smears and blacklisting in revenge.

By the nature of sex work, a review is going to be personal, but beyond that I don't get what the big issue is that some WGs have with being reviewed? If I wanted to hire a plumber I'd seek out reviews that give an honest appraisal of their skill and VFM. 

Possibly being described as the back of a bus or fat isn't something anyone wants to read about themselves on the internet?

There are other less offensive ways of saying the SP like saying she was curvy.

Remember being an SP is a lonely job and sometimes to kill the time between bookings they read this site and it can be quite offensive and upsetting to read some of the things people have been known to say on it. There's no need to be offensive in a review. Also revealing personal information that was shared on a booking isn't good and can cause a lot of drama as it could be used to out the SP. 

[Munter84]

Possibly being described as the back of a bus or fat isn't something anyone wants to read about themselves on the internet?

Oh sure, I understand that, and surely it goes without saying that it's uncalled for. SPs are entitled to boundaries and privacy and in part that's why the mods here are (correctly) strict on not posting socials, exact addresses, photos that aren't in current ads, and so on.

But some SPs object to being reviewed at all - positive or negative - which is bizarre because they're literally advertising themselves on various platforms, setting prices for their services, laying out criteria for who they'll see and what their boundaries are. All business. But the one part of the transaction they object to is client reviews? Like, you'll offer sex for money, put face pictures on your AW, suck and fuck a guy, but the same guy posting "Not bad, 8/10" is the step too far? Bizarre.

This is just me moaning out loud btw, I'm not expecting SPs to change their attitude on this.

[RandomGuy99]

Oh sure, I understand that, and surely it goes without saying that it's uncalled for. SPs are entitled to boundaries and privacy and in part that's why the mods here are (correctly) strict on not posting socials, exact addresses, photos that aren't in current ads, and so on.

But some SPs object to being reviewed at all - positive or negative - which is bizarre because they're literally advertising themselves on various platforms, setting prices for their services, laying out criteria for who they'll see and what their boundaries are. All business. But the one part of the transaction they object to is client reviews? Like, you'll offer sex for money, put face pictures on your AW, suck and fuck a guy, but the same guy posting "Not bad, 8/10" is the step too far? Bizarre.

This is just me moaning out loud btw, I'm not expecting SPs to change their attitude on this.

I think SPs can easily spot when a review has been posted on here as they're getting bombarded with requests and they probably go "Oh FFS, not another review on UKP! Those bastards are always demanding and if anything goes wrong like I'm running late because a previous SS finished late or I give someone a toothy BJ, then I'll get a negative review". Reviews on here put pressure on SPs and nobody really likes pressure.

[Charliehutton]

I think SPs can easily spot when a review has been posted on here as they're getting bombarded with requests and they probably go "Oh FFS, not another review on UKP! Those bastards are always demanding and if anything goes wrong like I'm running late because a previous SS finished late or I give someone a toothy BJ, then I'll get a negative review". Reviews on here put pressure on SPs and nobody really likes pressure.

Do you think so? The vast majority of punters aren't members of UKP, so I'm not sure how big an impact reviews have on them, be they positive or negative. Some girls have had lousy reviews on here, to the point where you'd imagine no member would bother, but they seem to carry on regardless.

[RandomGuy99]

Do you think so? The vast majority of punters aren't members of UKP, so I'm not sure how big an impact reviews have on them, be they positive or negative. Some girls have had lousy reviews on here, to the point where you'd imagine no member would bother, but they seem to carry on regardless.

SPs can get 100s a message a day. I think a positive review on here makes more impact. Any review on here can cause them drama as well as driving work their way.

[MLawro93]

SPs can and will refuse to see you for a number of reasons. No point trying to rationalise it too much. It is their decision in the end.

Some girls are savvy and can easily ID your UKP profile just by how you write/talk, or identical AW and UKP aliases, or they can just look at your review history and connect the dots with your AW feedback. Girls do flag numbers on CE as having a UKP account, as many aren't a fan for obvious reasons.

I think SPs can easily spot when a review has been posted on here as they're getting bombarded with requests and they probably go "Oh FFS, not another review on UKP! Those bastards are always demanding and if anything goes wrong like I'm running late because a previous SS finished late or I give someone a toothy BJ, then I'll get a negative review". Reviews on here put pressure on SPs and nobody really likes pressure.

All I ask for is respect for my time. Its what I primarily give a negative for unless I vibe terribly with the SP. I think some can be a demanding lot, but I think the rest aren't. Its just no one likes to be judged, people naturally get defensive when they get rightly criticised, plus there is the lack of owning ones own mistakes and proactively taking accountability. But that really does depend on ones personality. Some SPs can take it on the chin and others simply won't.

[Zimbaman]

Possibly being described as the back of a bus or fat isn't something anyone wants to read about themselves on the internet?

There are other less offensive ways of saying the SP like saying she was curvy.

That generally happens when an escort advertises as size 8 with 15 year out of date pics. If they are honest, the reviews tend to reflect that. I suspect there is a direct correlation between imaginative advertising and ‘back of a bus’ comments in reviews 

[Blackpool Rock]

That generally happens when an escort advertises as size 8 with 15 year out of date pics. If they are honest, the reviews tend to reflect that. I suspect there is a direct correlation between imaginative advertising and ‘back of a bus’ comments in reviews 

I was just about to post exactly the same, if I turn up to what's advertised as a size 8 (I like petite girls) and find a size 14 girl then i'm naturally going to be pissed off and report it warts and all 

[Blackpool Rock]

Before Ukpunting there were other forums, and one particular forum, like UKP had a big section for reviews.   Some of the reviews were quite graphic in detail, and some punters would not tell what went on between escort and the punter

So when UKP wasn't around, and we relied on other forums for reviews, so with escorts did they have issues with these other forums

If it's the now defunct forum that was being discussed a few days ago then yes there were reviews however if the girl didn't like it (basically if it wasn't a glowing Positive) and she worked for an establishment who paid to advertise on the forum then it'd get deleted 

Not much use in having a forum with only glowing positives as there's no balance, that's the difference with UKP it's a punters forum to benefit punters but if a girl is good and gets positive reviews then she also benefits in more business 

[JonasG]

This is a brilliant source of information.

With the most part with fair, spot on reviews where you know exactly the type of service you're looking for you'll get.

If some WGs won't see UKP members, so be it. Shit happens.

Happened to me this week, tried to book a WG I'd seen once before she worked out it was me from my review i guess. No worries, see you later.

The most important thing is to keep up the great reviews and never be fearful of reviewing and being found out.

If you do, who cares. There's loads of great WGs about who offer great services who don't mind being reviewed on UKP.

[Bighornyone]

UkP reviews seem far more reliable that the short scripted reviews on AW. I was contacted by an irate SP who lied about age and told me she would not see me again. Any SP deliberately misdescribing themselves or their service must know they run the risk of a negative review. AW does not easily appear to allow that.

[Charliehutton]

Happened to me this week, tried to book a WG I'd seen once before she worked out it was me from my review i guess. No worries, see you later.

I'm guessing your review wasn't negative, or you wouldn't have wanted to see her again. Just out of interest, what was her issue? Any idea?

[JonasG]

I'm guessing your review wasn't negative, or you wouldn't have wanted to see her again. Just out of interest, what was her issue? Any idea?

Yeah it was positive.

I knew before booking her the first time she didn't like seeing UKP members, as her other reviews stated that.

Think she was a member on here 10 years back and she got into a few arguments etc. And most likely has had bad vibes since.

Even though the forum is different and more respectable these days.

[scutty brown]

Before Ukpunting there were other forums, and one particular forum, like UKP had a big section for reviews.   Some of the reviews were quite graphic in detail, and some punters would not tell what went on between escort and the punter

So when UKP wasn't around, and we relied on other forums for reviews, so with escorts did they have issues with these other forums

Possibly not as many as you might think as to an extent those older forums were not necessarily working in our interests.
Remember
1) The guy who ran Pnet very much delegated moderation to a small number of SPs who had a habit of deleting uncomplimentary reviews or comments. Negative reviews often disappeared into a black hole.
2) The old Manchester forum administration was very closely linked to the management of some of the Manchester brothels and parlours, again resulting in sanitisation of reviews. The site originally really existed as a marketplace, the reviews were secondary. It was a front for the Manchester crims who ran the brothels.
3) Even what is arguably the earliest site - George FlasherMac's, was written to favour those who paid him for a listing, or gave him free fucks. Girls may well have been exploited by him but they'd have a valid reason for not complaining loudly about it.

[Sperminator22]

2-3 years ago I booked a meeting with an AW girl, it should have been 90 minutes + extra for filming the encounter.
The communications happend via whatsapp, but I've also made the booking on AW in order to have a feedback from her.
The day before she cancelled, explaining she found my UKPT profile (which has almost the same nickname as my AW profile), and didn't want to see me as my reviews here are way too explicit and detailed for her likings.

[NotTooOld4It]

Does she state that she doesn't see UKP members. If not I'd say name and shame. If she does then she's pushing people who don't know better to come and look at the site 

As to how they know, they seem to often be able to tell who wrote their reviews, and I believe some have a whatsapp group sharing the numbers and/or AW ID's of reviewers, there night also be notes left on the likes of client eye.

I a girl a while ago and got told off like a naughty schoolboy. Best to say nowt.

[LLPunting]

2-3 years ago I booked a meeting with an AW girl, it should have been 90 minutes + extra for filming the encounter.
The communications happend via whatsapp, but I've also made the booking on AW in order to have a feedback from her.
The day before she cancelled, explaining she found my UKPT profile (which has almost the same nickname as my AW profile), and didn't want to see me as my reviews here are way too explicit and detailed for her likings.

Why do you choose to use an easily discerned identity?

[Punting2022]

If they dont see you. Its thier loss. Plenty more around in the sea of adultwork etc.

[Ivor Hunch]

Let’s face it. SP’s who have anything to fear from a review forum are obviously the ones who give crap service and are afraid of negative feedback.

I know it’s not as simple as that but it’s certainly one of the criteria’s.

for sure, for some,  but i think there are low volume sp\s who dread positive reviews on here, because they get bombarded with shit as a result

[alabama1]

for sure, for some,  but i think there are low volume sp\s who dread positive reviews on here, because they get bombarded with shit as a result

I think you are overestimating the percentage of punters who are members of UKP

[MLawro93]

I think you are overestimating the percentage of punters who are members of UKP

182,204 members is a good chunk. With 255,002.23 average page views per day, with an overall total of 1,480,797,971 views. Definitely enough members for an SP to get overwhelmed after one or two positives, especially for one that is low volume and prefers to operate a bit under the radar.

[Mr Garmin]

I think you are overestimating the percentage of punters who are members of UKP

And your evidence for that is?  Even if not members then I would bet that well over half of all active punters are aware of this site.  It would be like the majority of holidaymakers not being aware of TripAdvisor - unlikely.

I'm pretty sure that when new girls that later become forum darlings start out and receive favourable reports on here, their enquiries will increase exponentially (I have no empirical evidence for that but trying to book them says that it's so)

It doesn't take much of an increase to overwhelm, a SB girl I know set up a very thin AW profile without rates and she tells me it generates 100+ emails a day!

[alabama1]

And your evidence for that is?  Even if not members then I would bet that well over half of all active punters are aware of this site.  It would be like the majority of holidaymakers not being aware of TripAdvisor - unlikely.

I'm pretty sure that when new girls that later become forum darlings start out and receive favourable reports on here, their enquiries will increase exponentially (I have no empirical evidence for that but trying to book them says that it's so)

It doesn't take much of an increase to overwhelm, a SB girl I know set up a very thin AW profile without rates and she tells me it generates 100+ emails a day!

And your evidence for that is ? 

[daviemac]

And your evidence for that is ? 

182,210 members of the site.

860 members online at the moment.

9156 visitors viewing the site at the minute

The above stats give an indication of how well known the site is. Over 10,000 using the site as we speak.

[Private Parts]

Alabama-
If it looks a lot
Sounds a lot
Is a lot.

Then it's a lot.

With apologies to the pig waiting and wearing a dress.

Hidden Image/Members Only

[Jonestown]

Alabama-
If it looks a lot
Sounds a lot
Is a lot.

Then it's a lot.

Nice avatar, Bill Lomas and Guzzi V8 ?

[RandomGuy99]

182,210 members of the site.

860 members online at the moment.

9156 visitors viewing the site at the minute

The above stats give an indication of how well known the site is. Over 10,000 using the site as we speak.

Are the 182,000 active members or is it the total number of members including banned and haven't logged in for 3 years type members?

I'm guessing that a lot of the visitors come via Google after doing a search of an AW profile name.  That's how I found UKP.

[daviemac]

Are the 182,000 active members or is it the total number of members including banned and haven't logged in for 3 years type members?

I'm guessing that a lot of the visitors come via Google after doing a search of an AW profile name.  That's how I found UKP.

Forget the number of members, there 12,088 users online at this minute. That is not an insignificant number of people who are aware of this site which would go some way to support Mr Garmin's views.

[stampjones]

182,210 members of the site.

860 members online at the moment.

9156 visitors viewing the site at the minute

The above stats give an indication of how well known the site is. Over 10,000 using the site as we speak.

That's just raw numbers for ukp. The comment was about that number as a proportion of all punters which as Alabama pointed out no-one knows.  With your stated ukp numbers, if there are above 400,000 odd punters in total in the UK then the statement about half being on here is false.

[alabama1]

Alabama-
If it looks a lot
Sounds a lot
Is a lot.

Then it's a lot.

With apologies to the pig waiting and wearing a dress.

Hidden Image/Members Only

You need to get some perspective.

[daviemac]

That's just raw numbers for ukp. The comment was about that number as a proportion of all punters which as Alabama pointed out no-one knows.  With your stated ukp numbers, if there are above 400,000 odd punters in total in the UK then the statement about half being on here is false.

The point is nobody knows how many punters there are but what we do know for a fact is there were 12,088 of them using this site at 10.43 this evening and like I said that is not an insignificant number.

Mr Garmin did not say half were on this site, he estimated that over half would be aware of the site and to me given the numbers who are online at any given time that does not seem an unreasonable estimation.

[DastardlyDick]

This could backfire on the SPs, and possibly benefit the site. The SP asks a punter 'do you use UKP?' SS says no, but thinks hmm I wonder what that is - has a look and decides he likes it and stays. SP has lost a punter because she won't see UKP members.

[RandomGuy99]

This could backfire on the SPs, and possibly benefit the site. The SP asks a punter 'do you use UKP?' SS says no, but thinks hmm I wonder what that is - has a look and decides he likes it and stays. SP has lost a punter because she won't see UKP members.

They don't ask you. They sit on here silently reading the reviews and connecting our numbers and profiles on CE.

[Michelle Independent]

I will let You know a little secret of how members slip and how girls figure it out.

I have seen few new people in June ( usually stick to regulars) and most of them when leaving would say “I will leave You a good review on AW please do the same, see You next time”.

And just like that it’s obvious.
They forget on AW it’s feedback not a review

When majority of Your customers are regulars it’s also REALLY easy to figure out who left You a review.

[Thephoenix]

I will let You know a little secret of how members slip and how girls figure it out.


When majority of Your customers are regulars it’s also REALLY easy to figure out who left You a review.

How do you feel about that?
Do you ever mention it, even if it's a negative?

[Michelle Independent]

No. Why would I? Everybody is entitled to voice their own opinion and experience.

[RandomGuy99]

And just like that it’s obvious.
They forget on AW it’s feedback not a review

D'oh!!!!