Surcharge for ugly clients

[patelprat]

Iq - It seems to me as if seeing SPs is mostly a stress for you. For the rest of us, it's usually the opposite - it's a bit of naughty fun with no strings attached.

Honestly, if you get depressed after most new meets, just don't do it anymore. You have power of choice whether you do this hobby. If something causes you inner turmoil, choose another hobby.

Or, stick to the regs like Lisa who give you what you want. Keep just those who give you positive vibes around you.

[boardyhell]

Things are a lot clearer now Gary and I apologise for my comments towards you 

good on you for taking the time to do the research

[Massage Bloke]

Things are a lot clearer now Gary and I apologise for my comments towards you 

   

[MaxVerstappen]

The constant simping for members on this forum is really rather bizarre. Only makes sense if its the same guy with alternate accounts 

In all seriousness it’s only a bit of banter… I wouldn’t take everything so seriously 

[Garyhart]

Things are a lot clearer now Gary and I apologise for my comments towards you 

All good mate, no offence taken as you wasn’t aware and apologies on my end for my responses

[alabama1]

I am lucky OP, as i always negotiate a discount when they agree to view my WhatsApp profile pic pre -punt. I have saved a small fortune over the years using this technique.

[Massage Bloke]

You are a prolific poster on a forum for SPs.  I get the feeling you would like to say more on this thread. But SPs rightly operate under strict conditions on UKP. But be assured some of us know what the situation is with one of the punters on this thread.

[boardyhell]

lots of smoke

[Garyhart]

You are a prolific poster on a forum for SPs.  I get the feeling you would like to say more on this thread. But SPs rightly operate under strict conditions on UKP. But be assured some of us know what the situation is with one of the punters on this thread.

Not to come across as simpy but please let’s not chastise her and walk her into trouble with the mods if she responds to what I highlighted.

Agreed that she can rest assure that we know what’s what and why some of us react in a certain way to certain people of extremely questionable character

[iq129]

Iq - It seems to me as if seeing SPs is mostly a stress for you. For the rest of us, it's usually the opposite - it's a bit of naughty fun with no strings attached.

Honestly, if you get depressed after most new meets, just don't do it anymore. You have power of choice whether you do this hobby. If something causes you inner turmoil, choose another hobby.

Or, stick to the regs like Lisa who give you what you want. Keep just those who give you positive vibes around you.

You are 100% correct. The whole thing has become a burden on me. Sexual urges are my main problem. I will ask my GP if there is some medication that works the opposite to Viagra. I am better off without any sexual feelings. My mood swings and depression affect other things in life.

I go into a punt almost trembling with fear of rejection, and I cannot take this anymore. I also feel suicidal at times. This has to stop immediately.

As for Lisa, I don't know what she sees in me. Maybe I remind her of some old love that she may have lost earlier in life. Anyway, Lisa now works part-time, so my days with her are numbered too.

Thanks for putting up with my erratic behaviour.

[alabama1]

You are 100% correct. The whole thing has become a burden on me. Sexual urges are my main problem. I will ask my GP if there is some medication that works the opposite to Viagra. I am better off without any sexual feelings. My mood swings and depression affect other things in life.

I go into a punt almost trembling with fear of rejection, and I cannot take this anymore. I also feel suicidal at times. This has to stop immediately.

As for Lisa, I don't know what she sees in me. Maybe I remind her of some old love that she may have lost earlier in life. Anyway, Lisa now works part-time, so my days with her are numbered too.

Thanks for putting up with my erratic behaviour.

To be blunt mate , she see's th £££'s. As regards sexual urges, the internet has loads of porn sites to satisfy you. Have you considered massages with HE ?

[iq129]

To be blunt mate , she see's th £££'s. As regards sexual urges, the internet has loads of porn sites to satisfy you. Have you considered massages with HE ?

I have decided to destroy my sexual urges. I will ask my GP if there is any medication for this unwanted burden in my life. Porn sites work the opposite for me. They make me want to visit escorts more. That is not the solution. I need some hormonal treatment that completely destroys every inch of sexual desire that I have. Castration would be ideal but that will change me as a person and is not feasible.

[Thephoenix]

I have decided to destroy my sexual urges. I will ask my GP if there is any medication for this unwanted burden in my life. Porn sites work the opposite for me. They make me want to visit escorts more. That is not the solution. I need some hormonal treatment that completely destroys every inch of sexual desire that I have. Castration would be ideal but that will change me as a person and is not feasible.

I'm sorry you're in such a pickle chum.
You're doing the right thing by seeing your GP.

In the meantime why don't you contact ATSAC?  External Link/Members Only

[scutty brown]

No, not at all. Not when a person is blatantly ugly like the one on the photo.

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Is that Ken Dodd?

[scutty brown]

I have decided to destroy my sexual urges. I will ask my GP if there is any medication for this unwanted burden in my life. Porn sites work the opposite for me. They make me want to visit escorts more. That is not the solution. I need some hormonal treatment that completely destroys every inch of sexual desire that I have. Castration would be ideal but that will change me as a person and is not feasible.

you need psychiatric counselling and maybe a metaphorical kick up the ass to sort your head out, maybe along with antidepressants.
You don't want hormonal treatment - unless you want to turn into a fatty with tits

[Munter84]

I am not encouraging bribing escorts for their benefit.

I mean, are we not all "bribing" escorts to have sex with us, anyway? Very few of them would shag us if we weren't paying them.

Look, as long as you're polite and hygienic, I don't think the girls really care what you look like. They can always close their eyes and think of Henry Cavill if it helps - but then they're trying to get you off, they're not trying to get themselves off, are they? You really are overthinking this.

[john122350]

What you’re doing here sounds less like a “service quality issue” and more like you’ve turned this into a very harsh story about yourself.

Comparing yourself to other men and concluding “they get better because they look better, I get worse because I’m ugly” feels logical when you’re in that mindset, but it’s not a reliable way to understand how human interactions actually work. In real life, the quality of an interaction depends on a lot of things like expectations on both sides, communication, boundaries, chemistry, timing, even simple personality fit. Reducing it to looks alone will almost always lead you to the same painful conclusion, because it leaves no room for anything else.

The bigger concern is how strongly you’re turning that comparison inward and blaming yourself. Calling yourself “extremely ugly” and then building ideas like surcharges or punishment around that isn’t really about fairness. it’s about self-criticism looking for a framework to justify itself. That kind of thinking tends to get heavier the more you feed it.

On the sexual urge side: wanting relief from intrusive or frustrating sexual thoughts is understandable, but trying to “destroy” your sexuality or talking about castration is a sign things are feeling overwhelming rather than a realistic solution. Sexual drive isn’t something you’re meant to eliminate but it’s something you learn to manage when it becomes disruptive. A GP or therapist can actually help with compulsive patterns or unwanted intensity without you having to go to extremes.

If I had to summarise it simply: you don’t need a punishment system for yourself and you don’t need to rank your worth against other men. What you’re describing sounds like distress and self-criticism looping back on itself not an objective truth about you.

It might be worth stepping back from the comparisons for a bit and speaking to a professional about how intense this has become! especially since it’s clearly affecting how you see yourself and your choices.

[john122350]

You're assuming that your appearance is the single factor that determines how people respond to you but that's not how the real world works. There are plenty of men who are bald, short, overweight, unconventional-looking or considered unattractive by conventional standards who still have relationships, dates and positive interactions with women. What often separates them from men who struggle isn't that they're secretly handsome, It's that they don't spend every day telling themselves they're worthless because of their looks.

Confidence doesn't mean believing you're a model. It means accepting your imperfections without making them your entire identity.

At 62 being bald isn't even unusual. The bigger obstacle isn't necessarily your appearance; it's the fact that you've convinced yourself that every negative experience must be caused by your looks. Once someone starts viewing themselves through that lens then every interaction becomes evidence for the same conclusion.

If two men have the same appearance, but one thinks "I'm ugly, women won't like me! I need to pay extra just to be tolerated" while the other thinks "I'm not everyone's type but I still have value and deserve respect" which one do you think people will enjoy being around more?

[Stevelondon]

I know the same feeling mate 

I hope you are not using the same mask as me.

Silly me. Of course you’re not.
You don’t know where I keep it for starters. 😂

[Stevelondon]

If two men have the same appearance, but one thinks "I'm ugly, women won't like me! I need to pay extra just to be tolerated" while the other thinks "I'm not everyone's type but I still have value and deserve respect" which one do you think people will enjoy being around more?

The bloke who thinks he’s ugly, obviously.
He’s gonna make me feel even more attractive.

Besides. He sounds like the sort of bloke who might need friends and will quite possibly pay for more drinks in the pub. 🤷🏼

[Jonestown]

If SPs declined to see balb / balding blokes most of them would be out of business in short order.

[Doc Holliday]

Excellent posts from John above Do you have any available bookings 

I realise now after a little more reading that there is something of a much longer historical backstory here too.

This is a general comment at 'simping' and not aimed at anyone, but while those who make a considerable contribution in the way of reviews should be thanked for such contributions, they should not be put on a 'sex god' pedestal for what is perceived as their sexual prowess based on the content of their reviews. The reader simply has no idea about that unless you were there.

The main reason it is not good, is not because it may contribute to highly unusual cases such as the under discussion in this thread, but it can have a very negative impact on the person on the pedestal. I can say that having once been placed on one.

On the subject of physical appearance I have seen scores of punters and there have been very few Adonises. Despite what SP's say publicly, they can indeed find some punters physically attractive when they meet, but that normally has little bearing on the outcome of the meeting. In fact sometimes it can have a negative effect.

Also what defines a 'handsome' man means different things to different women far more variable than the average male perspective. Being good looking also does not relate to sexual prowess. All SPs will tell you that the most 'gifted' punters in that respect are way more likely to be of very average or below appearance. They also tend to be few in number. Ultimately the cliche of them being there to satisfy the punter generally holds true.

Finally, albeit in a different era decades ago, I have met and spoken to at least 40 punters where I also knew their online identity. When you read posts and reviews, especially those of prolific contributors, your may subconsciously put together a mental image (albeit vague) of what that person looks like. I did and I can only recall one or two instances of where it was anywhere near close when I met them. I don't really compile this image any more, although also I am never likely to meet any of you either 

This meant I could also put a face to the 'super stud swinging from chandelier' content of some reviews and I frequently thought 'no way' 

[Fuzzyduck]

You're assuming that your appearance is the single factor that determines how people respond to you but that's not how the real world works. There are plenty of men who are bald, short, overweight, unconventional-looking or considered unattractive by conventional standards who still have relationships, dates and positive interactions with women. What often separates them from men who struggle isn't that they're secretly handsome, It's that they don't spend every day telling themselves they're worthless because of their looks...

Some well considered posts there, john. There's a nuanced but important point here. I agree many men have successful relationships because they are positive about life and have other, attractive features (sense of humour, kindness etc) but I would argue that women see this over time and not in the first 10 seconds on meeting a stranger. With someone you've not met or interacted with before, it is physical attractiveness that mostly leads. A punting scenario is very different to people getting to know each other over time. Unfortunately it is not easy to identify the SPs who don't have an issue with this versus the ones who will give a visible reaction in those first few seconds. I can understand iq129's fear everytime he meets a new SP.

However, throwing money at it is not the way forward and nor is castration of any kind. As others have suggested seeking professional help with your mental health/attitude/self-confidence is the starting point. I would also seek to build positive social relationships where my other qualities might shine. I'd stick to the SPs that made me feel comfortable and would certainly not try to delude myself that they liked me (it's paid sex). I'd find ways to weed out the SPs who would reject me even if they take my money. For example, this could be asking them up-front and only going for 15 minute appointments to test the water. I would certainly not offer them a premium to pretend to find me attractive nor would I send my photo to them in advance. I would also spend more time on massage and HR.

[massagepuntingfan]

This is a general comment at 'simping' and not aimed at anyone, but while those who make a considerable contribution in the way of reviews should be thanked for such contributions, they should not be put on a 'sex god' pedestal for what is perceived as their sexual prowess based on the content of their reviews. The reader simply has no idea about that unless you were there.

Thanks for articulating this so well DH. It's something that occasionally happens on UKP and has always rankled for the sheer delusion.
At the end of the day none of us punters should be seen as 'sex gods'. We are after all paying to have sex and retaining a sense of reality should be encouraged.

[Doc Holliday]

Some well considered posts there, john. There's a nuanced but important point here. I agree many men have successful relationships because they are positive about life and have other, attractive features (sense of humour, kindness etc) but I would argue that women see this over time and not in the first 10 seconds on meeting a stranger. With someone you've not met or interacted with before, it is physical attractiveness that mostly leads. A punting scenario is very different to people getting to know each other over time. Unfortunately it is not easy to identify the SPs who don't have an issue with this versus the ones who will give a visible reaction in those first few seconds.

That is also a very valid point. The best providers can and do compartmentalise any negative reaction to the physical appearance of the punter. They have to. The individual cut off level to which they can do this will vary. In this case on the available evidence I very much doubt he is as ugly as he thinks and there are other reasons for his demise 

In relation to DFK oral hygiene and really poor uncomfortable technique, is more likely to be poorly tolerated by an SP than what you look like. This is also more difficult to compartmentalise.

[Billy no mates]

I will be honest and say I haven’t read every reply.

I think it’s quite possible that a SP would provide a slightly differing service to someone they ‘liked’ compared to someone they didn’t like, I think that’s a reasonable assumption. I was guilty of this when I was working, I didn’t treat anyone poorly but someone I liked did get preferential treatment.

However I am not sure many SP’s would judge ‘like’ based solely or purely on looks, some may, but I would hazard a guess this would be few and far between.

The problem for the OP is he believes they will, they all will, and this will affect his experience. The issue is it becomes self prophesying as the OP’s tension will add to the atmosphere with the lady in question, and may affect her service. Even if it does not, the OP and his raised tension will not enjoy the session. He will come on here and read 20 positive reviews of a provider and think, ‘why did I not enjoy my time with her?’, this would leave him to then confirm it was his original suspicion that it was purely based on looks.

I know some bondage fans would wear leather masks etc, could the OP request a booking where he wears a mask to cover his face, this would remove his own tensions and preconceptions.

[Massage Bloke]

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[Nomerzypuntr]

damnn 

[Brokenshed]

Assuming a facial disfigurement is seen as a disability, try this service External Link/Members Only
Please note there are various agencies that provide services specifically for disabled people. They usually charge more, dealing with colostomy bags, or someone with a nervous tick probably requires additional skills.
Please note the advice I was given by an escort years ago was be clean, polite and do NOT haggle.
It’s been good advice.

[jimbobted]

Most punters and almost all escorts deny that the quality of the service offered by an escort depends on the client’s looks. I have always disagreed with this because of my own experience compared to those of handsome muscular men.

Rather than have punters and escorts get into this debate again, I would like to invite punters and escorts to debate the idea of an “ugly punter surcharge”. I am a 62 year old extremely ugly man and therefore I am all for paying twice as much as handsome punters if I am guaranteed to receive the same level of service as these fortunate punters.

Airlines have various surcharges. Cars that emit pollution are subject to a surcharge, certain imported goods are levied a surcharge, so why can’t ugly punters be made to pay a surcharge for being ugly?

At least extremely ugly men like me would benefit from such an innovative idea. It will be a win win situation for both escorts and ugly punters.

What do you people think of my suggestion?

Nope, most of them don't give a shit. I've spoken to a few escorts about it "There must be times you open the door and think 'Oh no'?". The most revealing answer was "No, never. There's always something positive to focus on. Maybe he has a nice nose, so I just focus on that"
Another escort told me she didn't care about looks at all, but couldn't cope with guys grunting and making "ridiculous noises", when it happened she'd just imagine monster manga porn  .
The thing that absolutely does matter is hygiene and not being weird or entitled. Be clean, smell nice and treat her with respect is much more important than how you look.

[victor989]

If ugly punters have to pay a surcharge, shouldn't ugly WG's also offer a discount !

[jaj909]

As everyone else has commented, you would certainly benefit from talking therapy, BUT if you are truly as hideous as the photo you posted then there is plenty of cosmetic work you can have done to soften the harsher edges. It wont transform you into Clavicular or anything but correcting some objectively ugly features may be worth considering - and if you take a break from punting (or just blow your pension) then perhaps that money can be diverted towards a trip to turkey for hair, nose, teeth fixing. 62 aint that old - i know people in their late 60's who have had work done and it boosted their confidence a lot...not to mention trans friends of mine for whom surgery quite literally saved their lives.
As an aside, my own preference for SP's are actually a butters face combined with an insane body - ive found this remarkably hard to find mind you..

[Nomerzypuntr]

Nice joke, spending money on yourself to look better. Look we are not model or actors.
Stick to regular SPs, tell them what fantasies to do and they will provide you better service.
If not, try with Brazilians in Viva, they do everything and cost is less compared to AW escorts.

[alabama1]

Nice joke, spending money on yourself to look better. Look we are not model or actors.
Stick to regular SPs, tell them what fantasies to do and they will provide you better service.
If not, try with Brazilians in Viva, they do everything and cost is less compared to AW escorts.

That's a sweeping statement, and factually incorrect. They are not cheaper, and don't do everything. 

[EmmaJ]

I've been keeping an eye on this thread pretty much such it went up, and had looked at the OPs feedback once it had been put up by himself. I thought the whole thing was pretty hilarious! However when I received an email from the OP earlier today I knew it was him straight away. The email demanded that I removed 'if you're not into kissing please don't book me' from my profile because apparently no one would want to kiss a ugly 62 year old non white Asian guy.

As an SP I can't say it enough, we really don't care for a client's looks as long as you turn up on time, and you're clean and respectful.....

Given that it has been suggested already and hope I'm not in boundaries that could result in me getting banned however I think it is pretty clear the OP has some personal issues that need to be addressed and I don't think punting is the answer to he's problems.

I also don't think emailing or contacting SPs about how ugly you believe you are helps any situation, it just comes across as you're hard work and slight unhinged.

[Nomerzypuntr]

EmmaJ he needs help so don’t mind him, he’s like that

[EmmaJ]

EmmaJ he needs help so don’t mind him, he’s like that

  

[Snagbadjer]

Many blokes confuse ugly with disgusting. You can be ugly but be athletic and perform well in the sack. You can be good looking but perform woefully in the bedroom because of nerves.

I never spoke to any SP about this subject, but they clearly like hygiene and cleanliness above all (except money, ofc). I've seen loads of punters and more than half of them were scruffs, dressed like tramps, unshaven, and just generally looked unattractive - I can see why SPs try and get them out ASAP.

I'll never be accused of looking like Brad Pitt, but I'm tall and fit and nearly always shave before a punt. I also treat the SP with a bit of respect (yes, I know they're a hooker - but I'm a punter, so can't judge). I have been rewarded with loads of extras for free, going over my time, getting messaged with offers of bookings etc.

So yeah, spare us the self-pity.

[Snagbadjer]

That's a sweeping statement, and factually incorrect. They are not cheaper, and don't do everything. 

It is sweeping, but has some truth. I definitely get more from Brazilian SPs than Thais, on average. Kissing for example, is usually included with the Latinas - almost never with the Thais.

[scutty brown]

....... because apparently no one would want to kiss a ugly 62 year old non white Asian guy.........................

Just beginning to wonder if that was the reasoning behind King Tarzan's infamous £20 DFK kiss test?
He was a supposed ugly 60+ non white Asian guy who would walk away if the girl didn't DFK him adequately on arrival
Oh and he stank of Kouros. Allegedly.

Is this the ghost of Tarzan?

[pythondan]

Clean? Yes, I always take a big bath before leaving home, then a shower at the escort’s place. I don’t smoke and I chew half a bottle of mints before the punt. I also use anti bacterial wipes and gel all the time as I have hygiene related OCD. I wash my hands a hundred times a day.

Polish Sara is an attractive lady. Why would she come anywhere near me?

She gives me great service and I am no oil painting.

[Doc Holliday]

I've been keeping an eye on this thread pretty much such it went up, and had looked at the OPs feedback once it had been put up by himself. I thought the whole thing was pretty hilarious! However when I received an email from the OP earlier today I knew it was him straight away. The email demanded that I removed 'if you're not into kissing please don't book me' from my profile because apparently no one would want to kiss a ugly 62 year old non white Asian guy.

As an SP I can't say it enough, we really don't care for a client's looks as long as you turn up on time, and you're clean and respectful.....

Given that it has been suggested already and hope I'm not in boundaries that could result in me getting banned however I think it is pretty clear the OP has some personal issues that need to be addressed and I don't think punting is the answer to he's problems.

I also don't think emailing or contacting SPs about how ugly you believe you are helps any situation, it just comes across as you're hard work and slight unhinged.

In well over 20 years of involvement with punting forums this is possibly the strangest fixation I have ever encountered

[EmmaJ]

In well over 20 years of involvement with punting forums this is possibly the strangest fixation I have ever encountered

Honestly in the whole 6 years I've been doing this job, I've come across some truly bizarre stuff. Nothing quite like this.

[iq129]

I've been keeping an eye on this thread pretty much such it went up, and had looked at the OPs feedback once it had been put up by himself. I thought the whole thing was pretty hilarious! However when I received an email from the OP earlier today I knew it was him straight away. The email demanded that I removed 'if you're not into kissing please don't book me' from my profile because apparently no one would want to kiss a ugly 62 year old non white Asian guy.

I requested in the most polite way that you ‘kindly change your services tab’. I DID NOT DEMAND IT. Please see a copy of that text.

I am ugly but I am not rude or ill mannered. You just accused me of being ill mannered and threatening. Please read the last paragraph and see if I ‘demanded’ you in any way.

Please don’t portray me as a nasty person in a public forum.

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[daviemac]

I requested in the most polite way that you ‘kindly change your services tab’. I DID NOT DEMAND IT. Please see a copy of that text.

I am ugly but I am not rude or ill mannered. You just accused me of being ill mannered. Please read the last paragraph and see if I ‘demanded’ you in any way.

Please don’t portray me as a nasty person in a public forum.

You really need to stop posting and get help, I'm tempted to put a block on you posting for your own good.

Don’t worry. I won’t post at all.

[boardyhell]

Just beginning to wonder if that was the reasoning behind King Tarzan's infamous £20 DFK kiss test?
He was a supposed ugly 60+ non white Asian guy who would walk away if the girl didn't DFK him adequately on arrival
Oh and he stank of Kouros. Allegedly.

Is this the ghost of Tarzan?
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tarzan has been mentioned on another sire recently
I am not linking him to iq129

[iq129]

For Daviemac.

Dear Sir, this accusation by Emma J went too far. I did not want to reply but the accusation had to be replied to.

[EmmaJ]

I requested in the most polite way that you ‘kindly change your services tab’. I DID NOT DEMAND IT. Please see a copy of that text.

I am ugly but I am not rude or ill mannered. You just accused me of being ill mannered. Please read the last paragraph and see if I ‘demanded’ you in any way.

Please don’t portray me as a nasty person in a public forum.

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It doesn't matter how you word it, emailing a SP you've never met or spoken to suggesting to change their profile to reflect you, still comes across as demanding and unhinged

[daviemac]

For Daviemac.

Dear Sir, this accusation by Emma J went too far. I did not want to reply but the accusation had to be replied to.

Not up to you to message escorts and tell them to change their profiles.

[Garyhart]

I requested in the most polite way that you ‘kindly change your services tab’. I DID NOT DEMAND IT. Please see a copy of that text.

I am ugly but I am not rude or ill mannered. You just accused me of being ill mannered and threatening. Please read the last paragraph and see if I ‘demanded’ you in any way.

Please don’t portray me as a nasty person in a public forum.

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What does you being a non white asian man have to do with anything? Why would that be a reason for them to not want to kiss you? I’d understand it if you was black and you’ve seen multiple SPs profile which says no black men allowed in all caps, but I’ve never even seen a no Asian allowed on an SP’s profile before.

On a more serious note, please do take time out from seeing SPs and this forum. It’s hard to read your posts and it’d do you a lot of good to seek professional help or just spend more time with friends and family