Prince Andrew has now been arrested

[myothernameis]

The police have now arrested Prince Andrew

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[bigden40]

For sharing classified information rather than any sexual crime.

Mandelson should be next on the same basis.

[FiveKnuckles]

Happy birthday Pandy.  Enjoy the free cups of tea and Victoria sponge from his majesty 

[Vice Admiral]

The police have now arrested Prince Andrew

As often, I get the big news stories first from UKP!

What more is there to be said?  Other than that:

(a) The man is a wrong 'un with a capital W, and has only himself to blame.

(b) He has a case to answer, and it must be answered.  However I find it slightly odd that he has been arrested before Mandelson, in whose case the evidence for misconduct in public office is stronger.

(c) I take no pleasure in the downfall and disgrace of these two men.  Being a "distinguished person" and in the public eye has many benefits, but it does mean that if you bite the dust you do so in a particularly humiliating way.   I am probably a minority voice, but Mountbatten-Windsor and Mandelson are still human beings and, while they must get what they deserve, a little pity is not out of place. As Jonathan Dimbleby pointed out on Newsnight four days ago, Mountbatten-Windsor must be "a broken, finished man at best".  His mental state must be horrifying.

[Squire Haggard]

Its a big mistake to leave an email trail if involved in illegal activity. Methinks Andrew is not the sharpest tool in the box.

[badsin]

Whilst this takes up all the news media, what else is happening today that isn't getting any coverage??
Court archive revealing extent of grooming gangs scandal to be deleted External Link/Members Only

[RedKettle]

Whilst this takes up all the news media, what else is happening today that isn't getting any coverage??
Court archive revealing extent of grooming gangs scandal to be deleted External Link/Members Only

Careful, no politics on this thread.

[badsin]

Careful, no politics on this thread.

Oops....if someone could delete 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Hardly political, more entertainment;)..

AMW that is..

[Chazz]

As often, I get the big news stories first from UKP!

What more is there to be said?  Other than that:

(a) The man is a wrong 'un with a capital W, and has only himself to blame.

(b) He has a case to answer, and it must be answered.  However I find it slightly odd that he has been arrested before Mandelson, in whose case the evidence for misconduct in public office is stronger.

(c) I take no pleasure in the downfall and disgrace of these two men.  Being a "distinguished person" and in the public eye has many benefits, but it does mean that if you bite the dust you do so in a particularly humiliating way.   I am probably a minority voice, but Mountbatten-Windsor and Mandelson are still human beings and, while they must get what they deserve, a little pity is not out of place. As Jonathan Dimbleby pointed out on Newsnight four days ago, Mountbatten-Windsor must be "a broken, finished man at best".  His mental state must be horrifying.

I quite agree Admiral. Now would you mind holding my pitchfork for a second while I light up this torch in my other hand?

[JRWK]

Its a big mistake to leave an email trail if involved in illegal activity. Methinks Andrew is not the sharpest tool in the box.

In my days in the Royal Navy, I worked with a steward who had worked closely with Andrew in his Navy days -
his opinion of Andrew then was exactly as yours today !!

[Vice Admiral]

Now that Andrew has been arrested, the process will surely have to take its course – resulting in the very real possibility that he will have to serve a prison sentence.  There wouldn't have been an arrest if the powers-that-be did not take the view that there was a strong likelihood of conviction.

But could Andrew really serve his time in one of His Majesty's (!) Prisons?

I would have thought that the only appropriate location for a treacherous former Prince would be the Tower of London.

From where, indeed, he might never emerge.  As was the case with the Princes in the Tower, back in 1483.  In this case, though, it would not be a wicked uncle (allegedly) murdering his nephews, but an upright nephew, Prince William, putting paid to a wicked uncle.

(Remarkably, the last prisoners to be incarcerated in the Tower were apparently Ronnie and Reggie Kray, who were held there briefly in 1952 for failing to report for National Service.  Not many people know that.)

[DastardlyDick]

Its a big mistake to leave an email trail if involved in illegal activity. Methinks Andrew is not the sharpest tool in the box.

I believe it's well known that the Royals are not the brightest bears in the wood.

[Stevelondon]

@Vice Admiral.       I knew that. 

Whatever next. Former prince’s being arrested.

Maybe we might even see Presidents in America being charged etc

Who knows 😂

[badsin]

@Vice Admiral.       I knew that. 

Whatever next. Former prince’s being arrested.

Maybe we might even see Presidents in America being charged etc

Who knows 😂

As well as ex presidents, and previous first ladies.
There's also tech billionaires with questions to answer.
AMW is low hanging fruit 

[mr.bluesky]

This is already filling all the news spots today, I care as much for him as I do about Brooklyn Beckham's fall out with his parents and bloody Kate Price. A waste of bloody space all of them 

[Chazz]

I thought that when AMW was stripped of his title that the Royals were preparing to throw him to the dogs. Is this the first time that a royal has been arrested since Charles I? 

[bigden40]

I thought that when AMW was stripped of his title that the Royals were preparing to throw him to the dogs. Is this the first time that a royal has been arrested since Charles I? 

Yes, he is the first senior royal arrested since Charles I

Princess Anne was also convicted of an offence under the dangerous dogs act a couple of years ago, and various royals have driving convictions.

[southcoastpunter]

  There wouldn't have been an arrest if the powers-that-be did not take the view that there was a strong likelihood of conviction.

Not sure you are right in that- isn’t that an issue at the point of determining whether to formally charge him or not!

At this stage isn’t it only whether there is a case to investigate?

[myothernameis]

What next for former prince Andrew, and will he face jail time, and will King Charles intervene

So if Andrew was to face jail time, could he be put under house arrest and does his time in Buckingham palace, under the watch of King Charles

But if he goes to jail, we will find out if Andrew can sweat, as in a interview, has said due to a medical condition, he cant sweat

[finn5555]

Highly unlikely he will get any form of prison sentence, at the most suspended I would expect.

Community Payback maybe 

[Thephoenix]

He'll also miss a lot of his patronages, not least of all many of the  country's top golf clubs.
He was patron and one time captain of The Royal Liverpool GC in Hoylake and played there regularly.

He was a decent golfer with a single handicap but I think the ball and chain may slow him down a bit now.

[starman]

...But if he goes to jail, we will find out if Andrew can sweat, as in a interview, has said due to a medical condition, he cant sweat

He'll be sweating when he meets Big Vern in the showers with a bar of soap in one hand and his cock in the other...

[Jonestown]

He'll be sweating when he meets Big Vern in the showers with a bar of soap in one hand and his cock in the other...

We don’t know that, he could be a man for all seasons.

[advent2016]

The police have now arrested Prince Andrew

I read this and at first thought he had had his titles restored, and then he was arrested. Sadly it's all about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, a non entity that few people care about.

[timsussex]

He'll be sweating when he meets Big Vern in the showers with a bar of soap in one hand and his cock in the other...

The 'education' he got at Gordonstoun might prove useful at last !

[Blackpool Rock]

Do we really need another new separate thread on this when people are already posting about it on the Maxwell thread 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Seems they've let him out on bail from Aylesham nick, and that the most exciting event there ever!..

[daviemac]

Not sure you are right in that- isn’t that an issue at the point of determining whether to formally charge him or not!

At this stage isn’t it only whether there is a case to investigate?

Arrest allows for searches to take place, invited for a voluntary interview under caution doesn't unless they obtain a warrant. The arrest has to be justified though.

[Adoniron]

Meanwhile in the USA nobody linked to Epstein has been arrested.

[timsussex]

Meanwhile in the USA nobody linked to Epstein has been arrested.

Nobody ???

I assume you mean in the shirking classes ?

I was watching a Youtube short with the head of Yale addressing Oxford university noting that something like 80% of Oxford students were privately educated while only 7% of the UK were - but 90% of Yale students came from families in the top 1% of USA income. Parents can buy places with endowments, buildings etc

 

[Adoniron]

Nobody ???

I assume you mean in the shirking classes ?

I was watching a Youtube short with the head of Yale addressing Oxford university noting that something like 80% of Oxford students were privately educated while only 7% of the UK were - but 90% of Yale students came from families in the top 1% of USA income. Parents can buy places with endowments, buildings etc

There was a US Senator (the one chairing the committee which wants to interview Andrew) on Radio 4 last night and he said nobody in the US had been arrested (except Epstein himself and Maxwell obviously). A few have had to resign directorships etc, but that's it.

[DastardlyDick]

Seems they've let him out on bail from Aylesham nick, and that the most exciting event there ever!..

Probably "released under investigation". As a minimum, any arrest has to be Proportionate, Lawful, Accountable and Necessary. Unless suspected of a serious crime like murder, someone can only be held for 24 hours without a Court Authorization.
I'm surprised he wasn't given an "arrest by appointment" option, but it's possible he was and decided to ignore it.

[Vice Admiral]

I'm surprised he wasn't given an "arrest by appointment" option, but it's possible he was and decided to ignore it.

Apparently the reason for this was that they wanted to be able to search his former and present homes at the same time as arresting him.

What more is there to be said?  Other than that:
(a) The man is a wrong 'un with a capital W, and has only himself to blame.
(b) He has a case to answer, and it must be answered.
(c) I take no pleasure in the downfall and disgrace of these two men.  Being a "distinguished person" and in the public eye has many benefits, but it does mean that if you bite the dust you do so in a particularly humiliating way.   I am probably a minority voice, but Mountbatten-Windsor and Mandelson are still human beings and, while they must get what they deserve, a little pity is not out of place. As Jonathan Dimbleby pointed out on Newsnight four days ago, Mountbatten-Windsor must be "a broken, finished man at best".  His mental state must be horrifying.

On the one hand, no-one, I imagine, would dissent from the view that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor needs to be treated like anyone else being investigated for criminal behaviour.

On the other hand, that is an impossibility, in view of his status (or, rather, ex-status).

In addition, it might be pointed out that the offence is in itself a fairly minor one.  If the protagonists were not AMW and Epstein, it wouldn’t merit even a paragraph.

Either way, there is a spiteful relish in reproducing unattractive photos of AMW.  Last night, several TV news outlets repeatedly – and in at least one case for an unnecessarily extended period – showed the photo of him slumped in the back of a car after he was released from custody, looking utterly broken. 

Showing it was, I suppose, par for the course.  Revelling in it, not so much.

However I see no justification whatsoever for today’s Times again reproducing (at extra-large size, covering about 25% of a double-page spread) – that hideous photograph of AMW on all four above a recumbent female.  Not least because it had almost no relevance to the rest of the material of the page.  AMW was arrested for misconduct in public office, not for illegal sexual activity.

It’s the journalism of the gutter.

Incidentally, from what some informed commentators are saying, even the misconduct matter may never reach the courtroom, let alone result in a guilty verdict.  The law on this is apparently not as clear as it might be, and the offence is difficult to prove.   

[daviemac]

I'm surprised he wasn't given an "arrest by appointment" option, but it's possible he was and decided to ignore it.

That's a voluntary interview and doesn't give powers to search. You can be arrested during a voluntary attendance or consent to a search but by the fact they have given notice it gives the chance to dispose of evidence.

Turning up announced and making the arrest gives instant authority to search any premises they think might hold evidence.

[Mr Garmin]

Either way, there is a spiteful relish in reproducing unattractive photos of AMW.  Last night, several TV news outlets repeatedly – and in at least one case for an unnecessarily extended period – showed the photo of him slumped in the back of a car after he was released from custody, looking utterly broken. 

I know that it's easy to say but if it was me I'd have sat upright, smiling and waving for the press.  Yes, I know that it would have lead to headlines of arrogance but that can't have been any worse than what they did publish which only makes him look dodgy and guilty.
 

Incidentally, from what some informed commentators are saying, even the misconduct matter may never reach the courtroom, let alone result in a guilty verdict.  The law on this is apparently not as clear as it might be, and the offence is difficult to prove.

Yes, but who knows what other offences a search may unearth.

[southcoastpunter]

In addition, it might be pointed out that the offence is in itself a fairly minor one. 

is it? it carries a sentence of upto life imprisonment.

[scutty brown]

 
Yes, but who knows what other offences a search may unearth.

It's a holding charge enabling the police to dig for real dirt.
There will be more charges, espionage related maybe

[Vice Admiral]

is it? it carries a sentence of upto life imprisonment.

I'm not a lawyer, but I would have thought that, on the basis of the evidence so far presented (although, as Mr Garmin and Scutty Brown have pointed out, more may follow), AMW’s offences were at the lower end of the scale.

The website for Farleys Solicitors has this:

"Misconduct in public office ... technically carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment.

"In practice, sentencing depends on:
- The seriousness of the misconduct
- The level of responsibility held
- The duration of the offending
- Any personal gain or harm caused
- Breach of trust and reputational damage to public institutions

"Sentences can range from suspended sentences and community orders to lengthy custodial terms in the most serious cases."

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Google didn’t offer me much when I searched for actual sentences in actual cases, but I did find one case of interest.

In October last year a police officer was sentenced to nine years because he “unlawfully accessed police systems and disclosed sensitive information to members of an organised crime group. He facilitated the transfer of over £1.5 million in cash from the United Kingdom to the United Arab Emirates and under instruction from a Dubai-based offender, he continued to move funds, with others, within the UK in excess of £3.5 million.”

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[WARSZAWA16]

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[Blackpool Rock]

I know that it's easy to say but if it was me I'd have sat upright, smiling and waving for the press.  Yes, I know that it would have lead to headlines of arrogance but that can't have been any worse than what they did publish which only makes him look dodgy and guilty.
 
Yes, but who knows what other offences a search may unearth.

Perhaps the look of horror on his face as he left the police station wasn't for the questioning he'd just had but the reality that they can now look at his computers / electronic devices and he know there's "Something" on there that he or nobody would want found 

So imagine what happens if they do find something that basically means he's almost certain to go to prison 

[alabama1]

The police have now arrested Prince Andrew

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Thread title is incorrect. He is not a Prince 

[webpunter]

Do we really need another new separate thread on this when people are already posting about it on the Maxwell thread 

Nope, I would suggest that threads are merged to avoid duplication

[daviemac]

Nope, I would suggest that threads are merged to avoid duplication

The easiest thing would be for people to stop posting about it on the Jizzlane maxwell thread and only post on the one with the Andrew title, as it is people are posting on both. 

[Adoniron]

is it? it carries a sentence of upto life imprisonment.

There have been quite a few prosecutions for misconduct in public office, mostly prison officers taking drugs into prison or having sex with prisoners and police officers using the police national computer to check out their neighbours or their daughter's new boyfriend.

[Vice Admiral]

Yesterday a much-publicised YouGov poll (a headline about it covers the entirety of the front page of today’s Daily Express) posed the question, “Do you think Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor should or should not be removed from the royal line of succession?”

It must be about the most pointless poll ever commissioned.  Nonetheless the results are astonishing. 

82% said he should be removed from the succession, 6% said he shouldn’t, and 12% didn’t know.

The UK population is about 69 million.  Therefore over 4 million sentient people (not all of them toddlers) would appear to think that – if Prince William and Prince Harry, together with their children, should perish in a couple of unlucky accidents – AMW acceding to the throne would be an OK idea.  And a further 8 million have no view on the matter.

Mind you, removing AMW from the succession would mean Princess Beatrice being bumped up to eighth and that, er, four-year-old Sienna Mozzi would be ninth.

We’d better hope that King Charles, the Prince of Wales and Prince George always travel on separate planes when they go abroad...

[catweazle]

King Charles and Queen Camilla are said to be "utterly distraught" at AMW's death in a car accident next Thursday.

[catweazle]

Oh, the Grand old Duke of York
He had 12 million quid
He gave it someone he'd never met
Because of something he never did

[webpunter]

The easiest thing would be for people to stop posting about it on the Jizzlane maxwell thread and only post on the one with the Andrew title, as it is people are posting on both. 

Sound logic

On the Jizzer thread should something new surface linked to her
That side of the pond etc

& on this thread / this side of the pond its the paedo nonce
IMO best to include Mandy the paedo nonce here too

[DastardlyDick]

Sound logic


IMO best to include Mandy the paedo nonce here too

Hopefully, Mandy is absolutely shitting himself after this!