HOW TO - BAREBACK

[Heph]

There would need to be a well funded, long term, large scale, academic study, invovling hundreds of SPs before any conclusions could be drawn on the matter.

There really wouldn't. Far too much blind credence is given to such things, most of which merely conclude that 'more study is needed', as the 'researchers' seek to pay their mortgages, like anyone else.

'There is no evidence a spear through the skull represents a significant danger, since I never saw a peer-reviewed academic paper to that effect'

I've clearly missed the parts of the thread were punters told SPs how to run their business; and make no call on that myself here; but I wouldn't necessarily rule it out on general principle either- given the number of AW profiles which can't orient their gallery photos the right way up.   

[LLPunting]

...- given the number of AW profiles which can't orient their gallery photos the right way up.

Where are you looking and what are your search terms?  I rarely see mis-oriented pics and there's usually several others on which to judge without the hassle of tilting my head or momentarily swiveling my phone.

[Strawberry]

There really wouldn't. Far too much blind credence is given to such things, most of which merely conclude that 'more study is needed', as the 'researchers' seek to pay their mortgages, like anyone else.

'There is no evidence a spear through the skull represents a significant danger, since I never saw a peer-reviewed academic paper to that effect'

I've clearly missed the parts of the thread were punters told SPs how to run their business; and make no call on that myself here; but I wouldn't necessarily rule it out on general principle either- given the number of AW profiles which can't orient their gallery photos the right way up.

There is a problem with the upload software, sometimes if uploaded from a mobile device the photo will initially upload correctly, but something in the process turns them around - but the SP may not realise this and it can be fiddly to correct.

[Doc Holliday]

There really wouldn't. Far too much blind credence is given to such things, most of which merely conclude that 'more study is needed', as the 'researchers' seek to pay their mortgages, like anyone else.

'There is no evidence a spear through the skull represents a significant danger, since I never saw a peer-reviewed academic paper to that effect'
 

I could be wrong but I suspect massage guy was being flippant?

I've clearly missed the parts of the thread were punters told SPs how to run their business; and make no call on that myself here; but I wouldn't necessarily rule it out on general principle either- given the number of AW profiles which can't orient their gallery photos the right way up.

It started with this on page 1

Sex workers who don't provide bareback lose out on a lot of money.

More escorts should take the approach that if you have a client who you have good working relationship with. If the client has clean recent tests, is hygienic and showers before/after then bareback sex can be negotiated. If a escort has a hour rate of £150 then a regular booking for bareback sex at £300 should be part of the business for example. That way an escort can see less clients for more money and guaranteed income as they are with regulars.
Obsessing over condoms can become off-putting plus can make clients not want extras because it comes across as the escort has STDs. I'm sure most clients will even punt less WGs if they knew they were getting bareback sex from trusted regulars. This business is like no other so things like this have to be taken into consideration.

For example, an escort can earn guaranteed £1500 from 5 regulars in one day versus waiting for new guys to come for half an hour to test the waters. The business has changed since the online safety act as evidenced on SAAFE. Escorts should be trying to develop a group of clients they can trust to provide bareback services so their income is even more guaranteed now in these uncertain times. Some escorts already operate like this and it is better financially for them.

Then PK's exchange more recently with an SP here https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=439162.msg4351176#msg4351176

[Massage Bloke]

Yes, Doc, I was being fippant!  I can't imagine a uni getting funding for a large scale study about sex workers doing owo!  But these days, you never know!

When I posted the bit about punters telling SPs how to run their business, I had on my mind a local SP, who has brought in a deposit rule.  She's been "advised" by some punters (in the most patronising way), that amongst other things she is "a silly girl" and will lose business.  I've not even had the chance to pay a deposit, and have not seen her since before Covid, because she is so shit busy. As well as working from her flat, she does some outcalls, some limited touring and also sugar babe type work.

I have mixed feelings about deposits, but I'm not going to tell a girl she will lose money, because I've got no idea if she will or not

[Massage Bloke]

Christ on a bike!  I hadn't seen that post by Son of a John.  That is really rather shocking, and he has even worked out the business model and sums involved!

[PilotMan]

Christ on a bike!  I hadn't seen that post by Son of a John.  That is really rather shocking, and he has even worked out the business model and sums involved!

If he isn't already,  maybe SOAJ should become a male prostitute.

He can take it BB up the arse and make double compared to his clients wearing a condom.

It makes perfect sense and it's just a money decision.

[SonofAJohn]

If he isn't already,  maybe SOAJ should become a male prostitute.

He can take it BB up the arse and make double compared to his clients wearing a condom.

It makes perfect sense and it's just a money decision.

No I will buy bitcoin before considering male prostitution.
More upside and less damage to the backside 

My figures weren't off.
Those Bareback sex workers who are going concerns year round will agree with me too!

[PilotMan]

No I will buy bitcoin before considering male prostitution.
More upside and less damage to the backside 

My figures weren't off.
Those Bareback sex workers who are going concerns year round will agree with me too!

There are plenty of SW's making excellent money year round, without doing BB.

[SonofAJohn]

There are plenty of SW's making excellent money year round, without doing BB.

How do you know?
Are you auditing their books?
Where's your evidence? 

[PilotMan]

How do you know?
Are you auditing their books?
Where's your evidence? 

Exactly the reason I posted that comment.

You have no evidence for your statement, your blagging it.

[MissWolf]

How do you know?
Are you auditing their books?
Where's your evidence? 

And the same questions back at you......how do you know that BB girls are making good money and better than non BB girls.

If you are that sure of your opinion being right, why don't you ask a few of your favorites to join here and back you up with some actual figures 

[daviemac]

My figures weren't off.
Those Bareback sex workers who are going concerns year round will agree with me too!

You are claiming to know an awful lot about escort's finances and business models, the only way you can know that for sure is if you are involved.

The rules state that members have to declare any interest they have in escorts beyond being a client, so what is your involvement? or are you just making it all up as you go along and you don't actually know anything about it.

[SonofAJohn]

You are claiming to know an awful lot about escort's finances and business models, the only way you can know that for sure is if you are involved.

The rules state that members have to declare any interest they have in escorts beyond being a client, so what is your involvement? or are you just making it all up as you go along and you don't actually know anything about it.

Someone can provide anecdotal evidence and you would dismiss it straight away.

[daviemac]

Someone can provide anecdotal evidence and you would dismiss it straight away.

You haven't answered the question, what is your involvement with the escorts you are stating 'facts' about?

Considering there's over 13,000 escorts listed on AW alone I don't think your anecdotal evidence carries much weight.

[MissWolf]

You haven't answered the question, what is your involvement with the escorts you are stating 'facts' about?

Considering there's over 13,000 escorts listed on AW alone I don't think your anecdotal evidence carries much weight.

He doesn't like actually answering questions he's been asked.

He hasn't answered mine either.

Maybe he's a pimp 

[Heph]

Where are you looking and what are your search terms?  I rarely see mis-oriented pics and there's usually several others on which to judge without the hassle of tilting my head or momentarily swiveling my phone.

No particular search terms or areas- I'd say it's common enough that I'll see it in 1-in-10 to 1-in-15 profiles. I can't recall any but the briefest of browses where I haven't seen something of the kind.

There is a problem with the upload software, sometimes if uploaded from a mobile device the photo will initially upload correctly, but something in the process turns them around - but the SP may not realise this and it can be fiddly to correct.

Yeah, I get that. Understandable that it might happen in a profile's genesis, and for a few photos- but utterly gobsmacking that it, or a series of clunking great typos, might survive more than a few weeks at most: it's their shop-window!