HOW TO - BAREBACK

[PilotMan]

popcorn time

That was quick, I've still got some popcorn left and some nachos too.

[Upsndowns79]

That was quick, I've still got some popcorn left and some nachos too.

I’ll be honest I’m surprised he lasted an hour and a half

[I like natural boobs]

I've just seen the comment from the punter who said that SP's who don't bareback lose out on a lot of money. It's a silly comment on a few levels in my opinion. Firstly, they make plenty without barebacking. If you think that an SP has a dusty phone because she doesn't bareback you're living in cloud cuckoo land. So why should they take risks to make more money when they're already making plenty? Secondly, how do you know that they'll make more money by barebacking? Many of us won't book an SP who has bareback on her list. Thirdly, most STI's don't show up in tests for around 12 weeks. To bareback responsibly would mean only seeing one client every 12 weeks and getting tested before seeing another client. SP's aren't going to make much money by doing that, but of course most SP's and punters who bareback don't do that. Most of them shag people far more often with no guarantee that they're not passing something on. That's irresponsible. And yes I know that you can catch something by doing OWO but you're far more likely to catch something by having unprotected sex.

[RedKettle]

That was quick, I've still got some popcorn left and some nachos too.

I had only just got back from the shop with mine!!

[SonofAJohn]

I've just seen the comment from the punter who said that SP's who don't bareback lose out on a lot of money. It's a silly comment on a few levels in my opinion. Firstly, they make plenty without barebacking. If you think that an SP has a dusty phone because she doesn't bareback you're living in cloud cuckoo land. So why should they take risks to make more money when they're already making plenty? Secondly, how do you know that they'll make more money by barebacking? Many of us won't book an SP who has bareback on her list. Thirdly, most STI's don't show up in tests for around 12 weeks. To bareback responsibly would mean only seeing one client every 12 weeks and getting tested before seeing another client. SP's aren't going to make much money by doing that, but of course most SP's and punters who bareback don't do that. Most of them shag people far more often with no guarantee that they're not passing something on. That's irresponsible. And yes I know that you can catch something by doing OWO but you're far more likely to catch something by having unprotected sex.

You answered your own comment
Keyword is irresponsible
I don't know your age but amongst younger punters, they tend to prefer sex workers who are offering bareback.

[Doc Holliday]

I don't know your age but amongst younger punters, they tend to prefer sex workers who are offering bareback.

What evidence do you have to support that?

[Blackpool Rock]

Hope you have a good appetite for humble pie mate.  BTW, if you do go down the ill-advised route of picking a fight with a Mod, I suggest you read what he actually writes

Been a few cases of "Suicide by Mod" lately 

[puntingking]

Been a few cases of "Suicide by Mod" lately 

+1

This forum is meant to be filled with like minded individuals who have a shared interest.
I am baffled by these so-called small minority of members who try to cause conflict on site or stir up any negative atmosphere here. 

[BrixtonBrewers]

This thread has been a truly thrilling read! I know everybody can make their own decisions but the risk of barebacking an escort seems much higher than the difference in pleasure you get from the sex. I'm assuming that most people doing it are not actively having sex with people they're in relationships with?

[SonofAJohn]

What evidence do you have to support that?

Speak to younger punters and they will tell you.

[PilotMan]

Speak to younger punters and they will tell you.

An easy copy out

[SonofAJohn]

An easy copy out

No, asking for "evidence" and thinking I'm going to provide you with a academic research journal is an easy cop out.
People demand bareback, people are having bareback sex with sex workers and people like you are ignorant to the fact.

[alabama1]

No, asking for "evidence" and thinking I'm going to provide you with a academic research journal is an easy cop out.
People demand bareback, people are having bareback sex with sex workers and people like you are ignorant to the fact.

We all know that this is happening, but you were asked to provide evidence of your claim... amongst younger punters, they tend to prefer sex workers who are offering bareback.

[SonofAJohn]

We all know that this is happening, but you were asked to provide evidence of your claim... amongst younger punters, they tend to prefer sex workers who are offering bareback.

This thread is literal evidence...
Some of you on here love to be willfully obtuse especially about bareback sex

[JontyR]

One thing that older punters have in common is that they have been, at some point in their lives, younger.

I don't think it is peculiar to punters but when younger blokes in general are much more inclined to braggadocio.

Older individuals can, but this is by no means guaranteeed, show a greater degree of self-awareness than in their earlier years.

Those, in younger years, are much more confident in the truths that they perceive.

[PilotMan]

No, asking for "evidence" and thinking I'm going to provide you with a academic research journal is an easy cop out.
People demand bareback, people are having bareback sex with sex workers and people like you are ignorant to the fact.

If what you are claiming is true and the  majority of "younger punters" prefer bareback sex, why are they not on this forum telling us that?

The fact is they're not, so that is evidence in itself.

The facts at the moment are, what you say is just that....what you say, and nobody else is backing you up.

When you get some support or can offer some evidence for your claim then please share that with those of us that are "ignorant".

[Barneypunt]

If what you are claiming is true and the  majority of "younger punters" prefer bareback sex, why are they not on this forum telling us that?

The fact is they're not, so that is evidence in itself.

The facts at the moment are, what you say is just that....what you say, and nobody else is backing you up.

When you get some support or can offer some evidence for your claim then please share that with those of us that are "ignorant".

They’re not telling the forum because it becomes world war 3 every time someone mentions bareback lol. The forum is generally very hostile and judgemental to anyone who writes a bb review. They’re obviously keeping it to themselves which is completely understandable.

[puntingking]

They’re not telling the forum because it becomes world war 3 every time someone mentions bareback lol. The forum is generally very hostile and judgemental to anyone who writes a bb review. They’re obviously keeping it to themselves which is completely understandable.

I actually agree with this.

People should be nicer to hearing from a barebacker. It is their choice after all.

Members should feel free to speak about their bareback experience, if someone is hostile to them they can ignore them or report them. That would be my advice. 


Most of the barebackers are only properly here because the other forum (which name or link we can't say or share) is closed to new members. Their loss, our gain. Barebackers reviews are still good reviews.
Every review and every information shared is good information shared. 

 

[puntingking]

The fact is they're not, so that is evidence in itself.

I would say that in general the younger you are, the more likely you are to take more risks. (under 25, as your brain doesn't fully develop till the age of 25)
My guess is that barebacking is no exception to this rule 

[Strawberry]

I havent found a correlation with age, some older punters new [assuming they are telling the truth/my assumption is accurate] to punting have never worn condoms, or aren't used to wearing them some older punters with ED suggest condoms are the problem which will be solved by not using one for intercourse. However my client base tends to be older, so I may not be getting a representative sample.

[Blackpool Rock]

I havent found a correlation with age, some older punters new [assuming they are telling the truth/my assumption is accurate] to punting have never worn condoms, or aren't used to wearing them some older punters with ED suggest condoms are the problem which will be solved by not using one for intercourse. However my client base tends to be older, so I may not be getting a representative sample.

I'm wondering if that's actually a way of asking for BB without seeming to outright / blatantly ask for it 

Perhaps it's viewed by some guys and indeed the reaction from some girls as less of a blunt weapon, so a punter says "I want BB, do you do no condom" is likely to receive the response "No, fuck off" whereas "I've got ED so struggle to get really hard, condoms don't help either" may get a less abrupt rebuttal more like "Sorry but everyone needs to use a condom" 

[Doc Holliday]

I havent found a correlation with age, some older punters new [assuming they are telling the truth/my assumption is accurate] to punting have never worn condoms, or aren't used to wearing them some older punters with ED suggest condoms are the problem which will be solved by not using one for intercourse. However my client base tends to be older, so I may not be getting a representative sample.

Condom use with casual or new partners has declined across all ages in civilian life over the last two decades. There is no evidence this varies greatly by age though some evidence it may be more likely with over 55's? Sexual activity is overall more frequent in younger ages so the total number of condomless encounters is considerably higher which is reflected in chlamydia rates especially.

Condom use in sex work is vastly higher than with civilians, so the total number of exposures is considerably reduced compared to civilian. it is undoubtedly on the increase though.

Although the demographic of punting is also undoubtedly changing in terms of age, the majorirty of punters still fall into the 40+ age bracket and so it is likely that the total number of condomless events within sex work are within this age bracket.



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[Doc Holliday]

They’re not telling the forum because it becomes world war 3 every time someone mentions bareback lol. The forum is generally very hostile and judgemental to anyone who writes a bb review. They’re obviously keeping it to themselves which is completely understandable.

There is truth in that, but that applies to any members who are pro BB and is not age related 

[Doc Holliday]

I would say that in general the younger you are, the more likely you are to take more risks. (under 25, as your brain doesn't fully develop till the age of 25)
My guess is that barebacking is no exception to this rule 

See my post above.

Under 25s fear pregnancy more than STIs and use condoms more for this reason 

[Strawberry]

See my post above.

Under 25s fear pregnancy more than STIs and use condoms more for this reason 

Some older men have had a vasectomy, one or two post-coitally one after I adjusted our position to avoid relaxing genital contact said "You don't have to worry about pregnancy with me". I reminded him it's not all about pregnancy.

[Strawberry]

Condom use with casual or new partners has declined across all ages in civilian life over the last two decades. There is no evidence this varies greatly by age though some evidence it may be more likely with over 55's? Sexual activity is overall more frequent in younger ages so the total number of condomless encounters is considerably higher which is reflected in chlamydia rates especially.

Condom use in sex work is vastly higher than with civilians, so the total number of exposures is considerably reduced compared to civilian. it is undoubtedly on the increase though.

Although the demographic of punting is also undoubtedly changing in terms of age, the majorirty of punters still fall into the 40+ age bracket and so it is likely that the total number of condomless events within sex work are within this age bracket.



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I have been told by GUM staff that behaviour has changed since the pandemic, more risks being taken, and one particular STI rarely seen in pregnancy now increasing in pregnancy as well as outside of pregnancy.

[Iloveoral]

None of the mods have to put up with crap like this, there's even a rule about it, perhaps you should have concentrated on making some useful contributions by way of reviews over the last 4 years.

[MissWolf]

I'm wondering if that's actually a way of asking for BB without seeming to outright / blatantly ask for it 

Perhaps it's viewed by some guys and indeed the reaction from some girls as less of a blunt weapon, so a punter says "I want BB, do you do no condom" is likely to receive the response "No, fuck off" whereas "I've got ED so struggle to get really hard, condoms don't help either" may get a less abrupt rebuttal more like "Sorry but everyone needs to use a condom" 

My age demographic is 28 and over, personally I find its the over 65s who ask for BB most often and they tend to use the ED excuse as to why they cant wear a condom when I refuse them BB, when the trot out the ED excuse I trot out the 'not to worry there are plenty of other ways to achieve orgasm without penetration ' invariably they opt to try with a condom and a large percentage of the time there is no issue.  I frequently advise guys who get condom wilt to practice using them by having a posh wank.

I also get a little spike around the early 40s age demographic, possibly newly divorced and or new to punting its very much a willy waving thing or feel like it lol

[puntingking]

See my post above.

Under 25s fear pregnancy more than STIs and use condoms more for this reason 

 

[LLPunting]

They’re not telling the forum because it becomes world war 3 every time someone mentions bareback lol. The forum is generally very hostile and judgemental to anyone who writes a bb review. They’re obviously keeping it to themselves which is completely understandable.

The known bbers on the London board get little pushback for their contributions.  What causes more argument is the attitude that new ones might show in their review.  Those wearing hoods who lay in with too much condemnation get a correction.

[Barneypunt]

The known bbers on the London board get little pushback for their contributions.  What causes more argument is the attitude that new ones might show in their review.  Those wearing hoods who lay in with too much condemnation get a correction.

I get that but I’m sure it’s easier for the undercover bbers to just stay quiet and review their covered bookings instead. They gain nothing but drama otherwise.

[LLPunting]

I actually agree with this.

People should be nicer to hearing from a barebacker. It is their choice after all.

Members should feel free to speak about their bareback experience, if someone is hostile to them they can ignore them or report them. That would be my advice. 


Most of the barebackers are only properly here because the other forum (which name or link we can't say or share) is closed to new members. Their loss, our gain. Barebackers reviews are still good reviews.
Every review and every information shared is good information shared. 

 

I strongly suspect, based on their posts, that the known bbers here in London at least, were aware of and members of the other forum at the time they started reviewing their bb adventures here.  They have remained here and continued such accounts even if they lost access tor the other one.  There are other UKPers who have indicated their knowledge and access to the other place even if they aren't (confessed) bb punters.
Not sure if the stats bear it out but the noticeable increase in bb reviews by more members is because the mods have been ensuring this action has been policed for over-reaction.  The new posters have not been exclusively recent joiners either.

[LLPunting]

I get that but I’m sure it’s easier for the undercover bbers to just stay quiet and review their covered bookings instead. They gain nothing but drama otherwise.

suspect it's more to limit access to the SP so risk and availability isn't compromised, it has little to do with hurt feelings from kbd warriors throwing judgement

[LLPunting]

Supporting Doc H and Strawbs comments, Sex health reporting has for a good many years been reporting a rise in STI rates for the over 50 cohorts coincident with a downturn in sexual activity amongst younger ones who still manage to show an upturn in sti rates.
My own dabblings in civvie hook-up sex (some seekings too) through the years have encountered rare mention or insistence of condoms pretty much irrespective of age.  Contrastingly SPs have almost universally been the first to mention if not apply protection in decades of encounters.  In the rare instances we transitioned to dating or fuck buddies then protection often went out the window once we were both (foolishly) confident enough that we were being exclusive.  Civvies have always been responsible for most of the few infections I've had, both incidences and type, and the fewer SP incidents almost entirely from oral given or received.

[Barneypunt]

suspect it's more to limit access to the SP so risk and availability isn't compromised, it has little to do with hurt feelings from kbd warriors throwing judgement

Yeah probably that too 

[RedKettle]

My age demographic is 28 and over, personally I find its the over 65s who ask for BB most often and they tend to use the ED excuse as to why they cant wear a condom when I refuse them BB, when the trot out the ED excuse I trot out the 'not to worry there are plenty of other ways to achieve orgasm without penetration ' invariably they opt to try with a condom and a large percentage of the time there is no issue.  I frequently advise guys who get condom wilt to practice using them by having a posh wank.

I also get a little spike around the early 40s age demographic, possibly newly divorced and or new to punting its very much a willy waving thing or feel like it lol

I tend to struggle to cum when wearing a condom and like to let the WG know that so she is aware, does not think it is her and does not spend time flogging a dead horse so so speak. We can always finish another way. I realised early on it could sound like a request for BB so I am careful with what I say and stress I want to try with one on.

[Hottest Kat]

I honestly wonder where some clients get their info. As an SP, I'm sure I've dealt with more BB requests than any SS.
Most of them are from men over 40. In my experience the younger ones are less knowledgeable about STD's and therefore more frightened of catching them.
Also if I offered BB, I can guarantee my income would drop massively. I'm certainly not losing any money by not offering BB. Quite the opposite in fact x

[MissWolf]

I tend to struggle to cum when wearing a condom and like to let the WG know that so she is aware, does not think it is her and does not spend time flogging a dead horse so so speak. We can always finish another way. I realised early on it could sound like a request for BB so I am careful with what I say and stress I want to try with one on.

And those conversations are great, you are aware, we are aware and we can go from there.

When I first started doing this the occasions when a client couldn't get or stay hard enough for penetrative sex haunted me a little,  I worried it was me, was I too old, too fat, not hot enough,  not sexy enough bla bla bla, however it didn't take too long to realise its not me per say its just the way it is and conversations like those you are talking about really helped me to understand the male psychy and ED.

Remarkably I've often found that once the elephant in the room is discussed the pressure is off and things work a lot better than anticipated.
Long may communication continue and fun be had in many many ways 

[Massage Bloke]

"Long may communication continue and fun be had in many many ways"

Unless you are punting with a budget moody Rom!  Communication and fun are not their strong points!  But it's all some of us can afford. 

[puntingking]

I honestly wonder where some clients get their info. As an SP, I'm sure I've dealt with more BB requests than any SS.
Most of them are from men over 40. In my experience the younger ones are less knowledgeable about STD's and therefore more frightened of catching them.
Also if I offered BB, I can guarantee my income would drop massively. I'm certainly not losing any money by not offering BB. Quite the opposite in fact x

maybe not but in London for example there is a big market for oral without condom so I would've thought those few sps in London who only do oral with condom would be missing out on a lot of custom. 

Just my observation 

[puntingking]

I strongly suspect, based on their posts, that the known bbers here in London at least, were aware of and members of the other forum at the time they started reviewing their bb adventures here.  They have remained here and continued such accounts even if they lost access tor the other one.  There are other UKPers who have indicated their knowledge and access to the other place even if they aren't (confessed) bb punters.
Not sure if the stats bear it out but the noticeable increase in bb reviews by more members is because the mods have been ensuring this action has been policed for over-reaction.  The new posters have not been exclusively recent joiners either.

 

[PilotMan]

maybe not but in London for example there is a big market for oral without condom so I would've thought those few sps in London who only do oral with condom would be missing out on a lot of custom. 

Just my observation 

Which is it, just your thoughts, or an actual observation?

[Massage Bloke]

Which is it, just your thoughts, or an actual observation?

Perhaps they are thoughtful observations.

[Heph]

Which is it, just your thoughts, or an actual observation?

With almost no exceptions, I've swerved anyone providing OW only - and my impression from reading comments on this site is that the majority of us do likewise: - I'd hazard a guess that approaching 9/10ths of us would consider OWO our punting preference. I occasionally see comments where members say, in effect, 'oral does nothing for me, so NP that OWO wasn't available',, but they seem very much in a minority. I'd be very surprised if someone had formed the opposite impression from looking at these boards. Then (and this may be easier to get data for), my impression is that AW profiles which only serve OW are, at minimum, 1:4 vs those that also offer OWO.

[Strawberry]

maybe not but in London for example there is a big market for oral without condom so I would've thought those few sps in London who only do oral with condom would be missing out on a lot of custom. 

Just my observation 

Assuming they are not busy with OW bookings, missing out on custom is only a concern if the provider has spare capacity. If the SP has sufficient, or more than sufficient business the 'missed out' can be irrelevant.

[Doc Holliday]

With almost no exceptions, I've swerved anyone providing OW only - and my impression from reading comments on this site is that the majority of us do likewise: - I'd hazard a guess that approaching 9/10ths of us would consider OWO our punting preference. I occasionally see comments where members say, in effect, 'oral does nothing for me, so NP that OWO wasn't available',, but they seem very much in a minority. I'd be very surprised if someone had formed the opposite impression from looking at these boards. Then (and this may be easier to get data for), my impression is that AW profiles which only serve OW are, at minimum, 1:4 vs those that also offer OWO.

The UK market undoubtedly has a strong leaning towards OWO, but to try and quantify is both difficult and as you say guesswork.

It really doesn't matter. The message here with unsafe sex (including OWO) is that it is everyone's personal choice. This applies to  both SP's and punters.

To suggest that those SP's who have taken the decision not to provide OWO, have not taken into account any possible reduction in client base is highly unlikely for most. They will have decided that balance favours their health rather than any loss of income.

It is ludicrous for punters to suggest they have made the wrong decision.

[Doc Holliday]

Assuming they are not busy with OW bookings, missing out on custom is only a concern if the provider has spare capacity. If the SP has sufficient, or more than sufficient business the 'missed out' can be irrelevant.

Indeed. Many SP's who have provided OWO for some time and are established then decide that the balance tips in favour of health.

This is often as a result of succumbing to at least one STI and the consequences that has on their occupation, both short term and potentially long term.

[PilotMan]

Assuming they are not busy with OW bookings, missing out on custom is only a concern if the provider has spare capacity. If the SP has sufficient, or more than sufficient business the 'missed out' can be irrelevant.

Exactly, people are making assumptions that an SP is less busy because she doesn't offer OWO.

And as Doc said, it's ludicrous for us to make that assumption.

[Massage Bloke]

Exactly, people are making assumptions that an SP is less busy because she doesn't offer OWO.

And as Doc said, it's ludicrous for us to make that assumption.

There would need to be a well funded, long term, large scale, academic study, invovling hundreds of SPs before any conclusions could be drawn on the matter.

But it doesn't stop some punters telling SPs how to run their business.

[alabama1]

There would need to be a well funded, long term, large scale, academic study, invovling hundreds of SPs before any conclusions could be drawn on the matter.

But it doesn't stop some punters telling SPs how to run their business.

And we all know who is 'king' of assumptions on here