HOW TO - BAREBACK

[puntingking]

They aren't going to shag you mate.

That actually is very funny 

The ukp comment of the year contender I think 

[daveynolimits]

Did you mean Gonorrhea?

No, although that is true and thought most may know. Was informed by my local sexual health clinician.

Totally agree on the stigma with Herpes that wasnt my angle. I dated a women with hsv1 and had nothing but unprotected sex but on break up i proceeded with testing up to a year and didnt sleep with anyone for months. She did yake antivirals and never had an outbreak with me and given it was only 4months of a relationship i probably wasnt even exposed to shedding and i dont have it. The poor girl was soo scared to tell me which is sad. Filthy in bed mind haha
Either way for those cheating with SPs that would be a difficult convo if you did pick it up
Clearly though im a crap punter not sleping with 3 to 6 SPs bare every week day staying std free haha

Each to their own

[Lou2019]

My money was always on you to win 'brown-noser' of the year, and having just read this post, we might as well give you the trophy 3 months early 

You beat me to it  I feel embarrassed for him

[Insideman]

so when do you take the PEP doxy ? everyday ? or during event ?

[Strawberry]

so when do you take the PEP doxy ? everyday ? or during event ?

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[stampjones]

More than HIV?

Within the whole spectrum of disease the we humans face in life, it is somewhat trivial condition. Even among other STIs. The social stigma as discussed is huge.

Assuming you have a fairly high body count, the balance of probability is that you are already a carrier without knowing it.

Do you have the same fear of oral herpes?

Yeah definitely more than HIV for reasons you allude to. Engaging in hetro, mainly vaginal sex and using a condom there is virtually no chance of picking up HIV. Probably true even without a condom in the uk if you’re relatively careful about who you fuck. Same is definitely not true with herpes and the whole “have it forever” thing freaks me out. I picked up an sti from owo in my early punting days (cant recall the name but not one of the common ones) and that made me super paranoid. For years after that I only did HR so I do have a history of over reacting. Having said that Im still punting with gay abandon years later.

Not a big fan of oral herpes either. A previous partner suffered from that and I definitely stayed away during outbreaks

[JontyR]

That actually is very funny 

The ukp comment of the year contender I think 

I'm not going to shag you, mate.

[Doc Holliday]

Yeah definitely more than HIV for reasons you allude to. Engaging in hetro, mainly vaginal sex and using a condom there is virtually no chance of picking up HIV. Probably true even without a condom in the uk if you’re relatively careful about who you fuck. Same is definitely not true with herpes and the whole “have it forever” thing freaks me out. I picked up an sti from owo in my early punting days (cant recall the name but not one of the common ones) and that made me super paranoid. For years after that I only did HR so I do have a history of over reacting. Having said that Im still punting with gay abandon years later.

Not a big fan of oral herpes either. A previous partner suffered from that and I definitely stayed away during outbreaks

Thanks for the interesting reply 

I don’t wish to add to your anxiety, but genital herpes rates have increased more rapidly during the last two decades and this is thought to correspond with oral sex transmission.

HSV1 is primarily responsible for oral herpes and HSV2 for genital. There has however always been some crossover, mostly HSV1 related genital herpes. However the latter has been gradually increasing and HSV2 related genital herpes strangely decreasing.

It is now thought that at least half of new cases of genital herpes are caused by the HSV1 oral version. The good news is that this normally produces a milder version genitally. The bad news is that condom use which goes some way to mitigating HSV2 spread during sex is much less likely to be used during oral sex.

Having contracted HSV1 genitally it unfortunately does not give you immunity to contracting HSV2 although it is believed it may give partial protection and is also likely to make symptoms less severe.

Bear in mind that around 70% of the UK population have been infected with HSV1 (mostly initially in childhood) and are therefore carriers.

[Doc Holliday]

No, although that is true and thought most may know. Was informed by my local sexual health clinician.

I wasn't aware that there were any great concerns about impending antibiotic resistance in relation to Chlamydia?
I haven't been able to find anything online to that specific effect, other than concerns generally about future resistance.

Yes Gonorrhoea is a problem and likely to be made worse by use of DoxyPEP.

[Strawberry]

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I would like to draw attention to the contraindications and 'obtain medical advice' section, I need to ask someone in person - may ask this question at my next GUM screening. But given for myself Doxy would only be in an emergency situation (condom split or realising the person I have just given oral sex has an STI), it's still unlikely I would ever use this.

[Insideman]

where can i get doxy pep ?

[daviemac]

where can i get doxy pep ?

Online, the same as any other medication, just google it.

[puntingking]

As far as I know, you can only get pep or prep on the nhs if you are a sex worker or a gay man.

If you can get pep privately for a reasonable price then I may start feeling comfortable with doing bb. 

I would have to look into it more and see how effective it is.

I would not get prep as pep seems better as you can take it as and when you have sex.

Would other members feel comfortable in doing bb if pep is an option for them?
I would also have to look at the side effects of pep medication.

If pep is 100% effective at preventing HIV, then I may feel confident enough to not use a condom. 

Google AI -you cannot get PEP at a standard pharmacy, but you can get it at a sexual health clinic, an Accident and Emergency (A&E) department (especially outside clinic hours), or potentially from a GP under specific circumstances, though it's not typically available from GPs. You must be evaluated by a healthcare professional to determine if PEP is appropriate, as it must be started within 72 hours of a potential exposure for maximum effectiveness.


Would i be naive to think pep or prep would mean the end of HIV? or are there other serious stds that pose a serous risk other than HIV? 

At this moment in time, is no bb at all for me, till I do some research and see if I am 100% safe from serious infections.

[stampjones]

You can get prep on the nhs. I was planning a punting trip to africa a couple of years back and was concerned about high hiv rates (i wasnt planning to go bb but still wanted extra protection). I explained my situation at an nhs clinic and they prescribed me enough pills for a couple of trips. Not sure Id do it regularly as there are a whole bunch of side effects but for an occasional thing like that it certainly made me feel safer

[JontyR]

As far as I know, you can only get pep or prep on the nhs if you are a sex worker or a gay man.

If you can get pep privately for a reasonable price then I may start feeling comfortable with doing bb. 

I would have to look into it more and see how effective it is.

I would not get prep as pep seems better as you can take it as and when you have sex.

Would other members feel comfortable in doing bb if pep is an option for them?
I would also have to look at the side effects of pep medication.

If pep is 100% effective at preventing HIV, then I may feel confident enough to not use a condom. 

Google AI -you cannot get PEP at a standard pharmacy, but you can get it at a sexual health clinic, an Accident and Emergency (A&E) department (especially outside clinic hours), or potentially from a GP under specific circumstances, though it's not typically available from GPs. You must be evaluated by a healthcare professional to determine if PEP is appropriate, as it must be started within 72 hours of a potential exposure for maximum effectiveness.


Would i be naive to think pep or prep would mean the end of HIV? or are there other serious stds that pose a serous risk other than HIV? 

At this moment in time, is no bb at all for me, till I do some research and see if I am 100% safe from serious infections.

What do you call someone who fucks a sex worker bare and doesn't catch anything?   A scabby bastard.

[JontyR]

As far as I know, you can only get pep or prep on the nhs if you are a sex worker or a gay man.

If you can get pep privately for a reasonable price then I may start feeling comfortable with doing bb. 

I would have to look into it more and see how effective it is.

I would not get prep as pep seems better as you can take it as and when you have sex.

Would other members feel comfortable in doing bb if pep is an option for them?
I would also have to look at the side effects of pep medication.

If pep is 100% effective at preventing HIV, then I may feel confident enough to not use a condom. 

Google AI -you cannot get PEP at a standard pharmacy, but you can get it at a sexual health clinic, an Accident and Emergency (A&E) department (especially outside clinic hours), or potentially from a GP under specific circumstances, though it's not typically available from GPs. You must be evaluated by a healthcare professional to determine if PEP is appropriate, as it must be started within 72 hours of a potential exposure for maximum effectiveness.


Would i be naive to think pep or prep would mean the end of HIV? or are there other serious stds that pose a serous risk other than HIV? 

At this moment in time, is no bb at all for me, till I do some research and see if I am 100% safe from serious infections.

What do you call someone who fucks a sex worker bare and does catch something? A scabby bastard.

[puntingking]

You can get prep on the nhs.

it is good to know but Pep is better as you can take it once you are exposed to the risk.

However, I don't want to try this yet till i hear more people taking either prep or pep.

My view for now is, it is better to be safe than sorry. 

[Heph]

If you can get pep privately for a reasonable price then I may start feeling comfortable with doing bb. 

A common view: 'I may consider high-risk sexual excursions, providing I have the assurance my fellow citizens are on the hook to pick up the tab'   

Per your above approach to payment - correct: up to a point! It's our personal health, and we are responsible for it personally, rather than burdening the public system for our misadventures, at the cost of those who are more generally ill & injured, and in need of scarce resources and medical expertise.
If we can afford >£200p/hr of our private entertainment, we can certainly afford to pay for the attendant prophylactic costs.

[scutty brown]

it is good to know but Pep is better as you can take it once you are exposed to the risk.

Wrong thinking
Playing catchup and trying to get rid of an infection is never as comprehensive as trying to prevent the infection occurring.

[PepeMAGA]

Even if all STIs were curable I still wouldn't be interested tbh.
1) I don't want to stir another man's porridge with my spoon
2) I don't want the possible risk of unwanted pregnancy hanging over me. Which many might see as a small risk of the girl is on the pill, but id rather not take the risk.

[Strawberry]

What do you call someone who fucks a sex worker bare and does catch something? A scabby bastard.

Equally he could pass something to the sex worker.

[Doc Holliday]

Wrong thinking
Playing catchup and trying to get rid of an infection is never as comprehensive as trying to prevent the infection occurring.

Indeed. From memory (I cannot be arsed looking it up to check) PREP is judged to be 98%+ PEP around 85%+

Apparently, there is a new drug regime which is completing trials and which can reduce the effects of nicotine causing lung cancer by around 95%. It does have side effects and the patient will need regular blood tests and monitoring. It will probably be available on the NHS, but will be costly to the taxpayer.

I have never smoked as I am wary of the consequences, but I am thinking of starting when this drug becomes available.

[I like natural boobs]

Equally he could pass something to the sex worker.

True. And more common. I just looked it up. It's more common for STIs to be transmitted from a man to a woman, primarily due to biological differences that make women more vulnerable to infection.

[Strawberry]

True. And more common. I just looked it up. It's more common for STIs to be transmitted from a man to a woman, primarily due to biological differences that make women more vulnerable to infection.

Correct or more specifically the person receiving penetration, if an SP has an STI it has to have been transmitted in someway in the first place.

[OakTree]

Even if all STIs were curable I still wouldn't be interested tbh.
1) I don't want to stir another man's porridge with my spoon
2) I don't want the possible risk of unwanted pregnancy hanging over me. Which many might see as a small risk of the girl is on the pill, but id rather not take the risk.

Agreed. I know it’s pointless being a bit squeamish when indulging in this pastime but the thought of my dick slopping around in another guys spunk is off putting to say the least.

As a side note, I read somewhere that the shape of the penis head is designed or has evolved (depending on your beliefs) to scoop out previous cum to ensure yours is the one to hit the target.

[Doc Holliday]

Agreed. I know it’s pointless being a bit squeamish when indulging in this pastime but the thought of my dick slopping around in another guys spunk is off putting to say the least.

I would say that is probably a majority viewpoint, but when it comes to sexual activity, it would, for others, be part of the attraction.

[Strawberry]

I would say that is probably a majority viewpoint, but when it comes to sexual activity, it would, for others, be part of the attraction.

Certainly a fantasy for many, I hear this online, in the phone chat arena, and on webcam platforms, including cuckold 'cleaning' roleplays. I don't know how many do this in-person, in reality because I don't offer this in-person, it's all dildos and words when I'm performing remotely

[puntingking]

Even if all STIs were curable I still wouldn't be interested tbh.
1) I don't want to stir another man's porridge with my spoon

A good sex worker would make sure she cleans herself up in between punters. This should include washing her pussy.

That being said, I would much rather what you said then french kissing a woman who have swallowed some other guys cum. But as long as the sex worker cleans herself off such as using mouthwash and showering then I have not really got a problem with either to be honest.

If it did bother me that much, then I would change my hobby.

 

[puntingking]

Back to the original topic -

Bareback sex is still risky in my personal opinion and even with prep or pep it would still feel me with fear till my test results come back.

To avoid feeling fear and to avoid using pep or prep and making sure I take them right I will still be avoiding bareback sex.
It is just not worth the risk for me. Safety should be the main priority. 
That being said, if others want to do bareback then they can if they feel the risk is small for them. But I'd rather not. 

 

[MissWolf]

A good sex worker would make sure she cleans herself up in between punters. This should include washing her pussy.

That being said, I would much rather what you said then french kissing a woman who have swallowed some other guys cum. But as long as the sex worker cleans herself off such as using mouthwash and showering then I have not really got a problem with either to be honest.

If it did bother me that much, then I would change my hobby.

 

Honestly sometimes I truly think you have no clue and just say whatever you think the crowd want to hear, your completely wrong regarding washing.

A 'good sex worker' can clean herself as much as she likes BUT unless she douche's her vaginal canal and uses copious amounts of water to do so (which btw is really bad for vaginas) then there will be sperms present inside the vaginal passage if she has had bareback sex with a CIP finish.

My daughter in-law is a forensic nurse,  she deals with rape and sexal assault cases, gathering the medical evidence from the victim,  sperm or semen can live in and be present inside the vagina for up to a week after it has been deposited there.,  they are mostly dead at a week old with no tails but they are there. So you are going to be stirring for a long time if all she does is wash the outside.

Now when it comes to oral, OWO, CIM etc thats very different,  if someone swallows cum and then rinses their mouth, cleans their teeth and uses a mouthwash there will likely be zero evidence left of any sexual activity and no spunk or sperm  (i will check with my daughter in-law to make sure I'm right) making owo much cleaner in terms of not coming into contact with another man's baby batter. 

I will add teeth cleaning can create mico abrasions in the gums and are potentially an open route to allow infection transfer so personally I choose mouthwash between clients.

I will let Doc deal with you next post cos he's good at quote finding, you  have gone from one opinion to the other on if you would or wouldn't BB more times than I've changed knickers this week I swear.

[hamchang]

I will check with my daughter in-law to make sure I'm right) making owo much cleaner in terms of not coming into contact with another man's baby batter. 

Bet its a right laugh at your Christmas dinner table.

"Veronica, if I take a couple of loads of cum in my mouth from random fee paying punters, but I use some mouth wash, when I kiss your hubby, my little baby, what is the chance that remnants of that cum will be transferred to his cheek?"

"Well mummy in law, not much chance at all"

"good oh... more gravy Johnny?" 

Anyway - when will the next barely disguised as a bareback thread be along?

[Massage Bloke]

hamchang beat me to it.

The first thing that came to my mind when reading Miss Wolf's post was a mental image of a family dinner party, and the accompanying conversation!

I'm guessing that some of us on here come from a time when sex wasn't mentioned in the family.

Growing-up, my family never talked about sex or money, but I knew they didn't have much of either!

[hamchang]

Growing-up, my family never talked about sex or money, but I knew they didn't have much of either!

"heh sis, you know you are broke and never get any action... well I now a load of blokes who would pay to stand in a line and cum up your vagina. They'd report it as pounding you for an hour but the reality would be about 72 second each. If you can convince mum to join you it would certainly make your responses to being asked how your day was a lot more interesting"

Something like that?

[MissWolf]

You lot to make me 

I have very open conversations with my kids,  they are both early 30s now but before I began escorting I sat down with them both and discussed the fact I was planning to do this and did they have any objections or concerns.

We went over a few minor things but they were both supportive and happy for me to do what I wanted.

The fact is, forewarned is forearmed and 18 months in when someone messaged my daughter on a fake messenger account to say your mother is a whore she simply replied 'so, don't message me hun, if you want a booking call her lol' she was never bothered again.

I've never understood families who don't talk about the awkward stuff and who's kids don't feel they can ask them anything,  it makes no sense, I'm super close to a lot of my daughters female friends because they can and have asked me anything,  I've talked pregnancy,  condom use, boys, consent, STI's and many many more things, none of which they felt they could talk to parents about.

[puntingking]

A 'good sex worker' can clean herself as much as she likes BUT unless she douche's her vaginal canal and uses copious amounts of water to do so (which btw is really bad for vaginas) then there will be sperms present inside the vaginal passage if she has had bareback sex with a CIP finish.

My daughter in-law is a forensic nurse,  she deals with rape and sexal assault cases, gathering the medical evidence from the victim,  sperm or semen can live in and be present inside the vagina for up to a week after it has been deposited there.,  they are mostly dead at a week old with no tails but they are there. So you are going to be stirring for a long time if all she does is wash the outside.

Ok, thanks for your well put response.
I did not know that washing the inside of the vagina is bad for the vagina.
 

Now that you told be that is it bad for the vagina, I would have thought then that this is because the Vagina is a self cleaning Organ and is therefore not meant to be cleaned. 

 

[Heph]

The fact is, forewarned is forearmed and 18 months in when someone messaged my daughter on a fake messenger account to say your mother is a whore she simply replied 'so, don't message me hun, if you want a booking call her lol' she was never bothered again.

Astonishing malice

[Strawberry]

Ok, thanks for your well put response.
I did not know that washing the inside of the vagina is bad for the vagina.
 

Now that you told be that is it bad for the vagina, I would have thought then that this is because the Vagina is a self cleaning Organ and is therefore not meant to be cleaned. 

 

Yes and soap can alter the pH, has a direct impact on natural defenses. Washing too much can lead to thrush or the stinking BV sometimes reported.

Advice for condom splits, situations involving pre-cum and ejaculate on or into the vagina is do not rub, do not wash, washing and wiping can push fluids further in. Instead let the body's natural defenses do their job.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Girl i once went out with many years ago she made a really good job of it, stuffed a bloody garden hose up there!.

No long lasting effects !.

[JontyR]

Girl i once went out with many years ago she made a really good job of it, stuffed a bloody garden hose up there!.

Was it bloody before hand or when it came out?

[MissWolf]

Girl i once went out with many years ago she made a really good job of it, stuffed a bloody garden hose up there!.

No long lasting effects !.

On one or two occasions in my youth I've douched with the shower hose with no lasting effects, but doing so a few times a day to flush out spunk would be bad news and likely leave a woman with a very sore vagina.
Not least because they would need to then use extra lube to replace the natural vaginal fluid that had been washed away.

[Blackpool Rock]

Girl i once went out with many years ago she made a really good job of it, stuffed a bloody garden hose up there!.

No long lasting effects !.

So i'm wondering if her blossoms grew when she watered her garden 

[drillaaaa]

Yes, I wish bareback sex wasn't looked at so negatively on here.
Especially if you test often, have vaccines and take care of your health.
Sex workers who don't provide bareback lose out on a lot of money.

mainly stems from davie the jobsworth mod

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

[Upsndowns79]

mainly stems from davie the jobsworth mod

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

Incoming 

[scutty brown]

popcorn time

[southcoastpunter]

mainly stems from davie the jobsworth mod

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

strange why you have taken a post from nearly 3 weeks ago to comment on and its never a good idea to try to pick a fight with a Mod!

and actually you are wrong - any "viewing BB in a negative way" comes from many/most guys on here. If you think about it, most guys on here are either married or in a long term relations and what are the 2 things that concerns this group the most? probably
- slipping up and getting caught "cheating" or
- catching something and inadvertently passing it on to the OH.

BB sex carries more risk than covered sex, even covered sex with a SB who BB's many other punters still involves increased risk - ok it can be argued about how much additional risk but there is more risk. So naturally others who increase that risk is not going to be greeted with open arms!

Personally, I am single but still do not have BB sex with SP's - personal choice based on my personal approach to risk. We all have our own "risk level" that we are prepared to accept and levels that we are not prepared to accept!

[puntingking]

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

that is good for you, what you want - a medal 

people can say their disapproval of such activities.

as someone who doesn't bareback. i still appreciate reviews of such activities. Every review is a good review to me as it adds value to this site whether I or others don't do such activities.
Every bit of information shared is good information. 



 

[scouting]

mainly stems from davie the jobsworth mod

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

Hope you have a good appetite for humble pie mate.  BTW, if you do go down the ill-advised route of picking a fight with a Mod, I suggest you read what he actually writes

BTW if you read my posts you will see I have not passed an opinion on barebacking, I have pointed out what reception the subject is likely to get on here, pointed out there is a site dedicated to it, pulled one member up (not you) for trying to post banned links and pointed out the rules on bareback discussions.

[puntingking]

mainly stems from davie the jobsworth mod

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

people can have disagreements - this is a forum after all.

But discord can be civil.

Since I have joined this forum, a bunch of people disagreed with my opinions on a whole range of topics. The odd occasion they have agreed with me but I never throw insults as it would be boring if we are all the same with the same interests in things and the same opinions.

In a nutshell - if you like bareback then good for you but if others rather not bareback then good for them too. 

[PilotMan]

Hope you have a good appetite for humble pie mate.  BTW, if you do go down the ill-advised route of picking a fight with a Mod, I suggest you read what he actually writes

That's probably where he struggles, all that BB must have addled his brain 

[daviemac]

mainly stems from davie the jobsworth mod

I've done a bunch raw and never had an issue.

None of the mods have to put up with crap like this, there's even a rule about it, perhaps you should have concentrated on making some useful contributions by way of reviews over the last 4 years.