Back Door Bunny - Paddington

[Adamstiles]

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I posted my ghost experience with this SP yesterday and duly informed her of my disappointment and the review itself - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=431852.0

I got a flurry of apologetic messages this morning with an offer to make things right. SP showed me some messages and it seems she's been dealing with a few personal things. I made it a point to inform her that regardless of this, a courteous message to let me know would have gone a long way. Despite this, I decided to give her a second chance and went along to see if I could sample the positive experience others have had.

We agreed a time for a 30 mins appointment and comms were spot on this time around - my hopes were high.

Arrived at the location near Paddington, got the flat info and made my way over. Up a flew flights of stairs and greeted by 'Yas'.

We got the greetings and apologies out the way and broke into action. Lots of kissing, fingering and my oh my can this girl give head - the whole thing disappeared and then some! No complaints from her as she kept going until I was ready to fuck.

Onto the bed, dom on and she hopped on top. Starting off slow, she rode me with her legs in various angles for the deepest penetration possible. She grabbed my body hard which made me go harder and eventually fill the dom. We had a couple of laughs, I took a quick shower and got out of there.

I'm glad I gave this one another chance, she did not disappoint. I found her to be extremely friendly and quirky. Will definitely be back!

[patelprat]

How much? Or was it all free to make up for the ghosting?! Truthfully.

[Insideman]

Glad she took responsibility for her actions. It’s pretty rare in this game.

Is her OWO Sloppy ?

[Adamstiles]

How much? Or was it all free to make up for the ghosting?! Truthfully.

It wasn't free but I was happy to pay the agreed amount.

[Adamstiles]

Glad she took responsibility for her actions. It’s pretty rare in this game.

Is her OWO Sloppy ?

Agreed, first time I've ever experienced this!

And yes, incredibly.

[patelprat]

It wasn't free but I was happy to pay the agreed amount.

So you paid £100 for 30 mins?

[Insideman]

How much? Or was it all free to make up for the ghosting?! Truthfully.

I don’t think a punter should take something like this for free, as nice as the gesture is, it could backfire

[Atrueyorkie]

“  and duly informed her of my disappointment and the review itself” - am I reading this right? You told her about Ukp and you’re UKP review of her?

[Adamstiles]

So you paid £100 for 30 mins?

As per my review, SP put forward an offer to apologise. There is no value to my review in stating the amount.

[Adamstiles]

“  and duly informed her of my disappointment and the review itself” - am I reading this right? You told her about Ukp and you’re UKP review of her?

To answer your question, you did not read it right.

I simply mentioned that I'd left a negative review without a mention of UKP. FYI, previous review of SP indicates she is already aware of UKP.

[patelprat]

As per my review, SP put forward an offer to apologise. There is no value to my review in stating the amount.

It's useful to track what was paid for the record in my opinion. Look at my reviews - the price is always stated, as they are on most others.

Useful to see how rates change over time.

But if you don't want to share I can only assume it wasn't at the advertised rate, even if not free.
The other punter who reported being ghosted said the SP offered him a free session (which he says he didn't take), so was just curious.

[Adamstiles]

I don’t think a punter should take something like this for free, as nice as the gesture is, it could backfire

Spot on. If it were free, I would not have left a review due to bias.

[Adamstiles]

It's useful to track what was paid for the record in my opinion. Useful to see how rates change over time.

I will try to be as clear as I can this final time. The SP, at her discretion, made an offer as a goodwill gesture ie. at a cost lower than advertised or at no cost at all. We agreed on a price and I did pay for my time with her. As this price is not an advertised rate to punters, it is not beneficial to disclose it.

[Insideman]

“  and duly informed her of my disappointment and the review itself” - am I reading this right? You told her about Ukp and you’re UKP review of her?

As seen in other reviews SP is aware of UKP, and she most likely reached out to the punter first regarding it and him probably admitting it.

UKP is more mainstream now, many SP’s Google their aw name and if there is anything on UKP it ranks forst on Google.

[patelprat]

I will try to be as clear as I can this final time. The SP, at her discretion, made an offer as a goodwill gesture ie. at a cost lower than advertised or at no cost at all. We agreed on a price and I did pay for my time with her. As this price is not an advertised rate to punters, it is not beneficial to disclose it.

Noted. Presumably in the expectation she'd get a positive on here from you after your negative and you tell everyone she made it good. Not complaining, but clearly her thought process.

If it ends up making her more reliable for other punters in future, that's good I guess.

[Adamstiles]

As seen in other reviews SP is aware of UKP, and she most likely reached out to the punter first regarding it and him probably admitting it.

UKP is more mainstream now, many SP’s Google their aw name and if there is anything on UKP it ranks forst on Google.

Spot on, once again.

[Insideman]

It's useful to track what was paid for the record in my opinion. Look at my reviews - the price is always stated, as they are on most others.

Useful to see how rates change over time.

But if you don't want to share I can only assume it wasn't at the advertised rate, even if not free.
The other punter who reported being ghosted said the SP offered him a free session (which he says he didn't take), so was just curious.

She probably panicked as it was her first negative 

[Adamstiles]

Noted. Presumably in the expectation she'd get a positive on here from you after your negative and you tell everyone she made it good.

Possibly. If she did, it worked. Otherwise, my positive review is in-line with previous positive reviews of the SP.

[patelprat]

Possibly. If she did, it worked. Otherwise, my positive review is in-line with previous positive reviews of the SP.

It's just a shame it has to take a negative on here for SPs to respond like this.

You were ghosted and she should have made the apology, explanation and goodwill gesture either way imo. It's what a true professional escort would do, regardless of what is written here or not.

[Insideman]

Possibly. If she did, it worked. Otherwise, my positive review is in-line with previous positive reviews of the SP.

Like Marvellous said in his review, some credit to her for at least trying to make it right even if it was in expectation of a good review, having read all of them her service delivery is excellent. She just seems to have poor time management.

I think it’s refreshing.
usually an EE SP would not give a toss about a reputation let alone a punters time,

[Insideman]

It's just a shame it has to take a negative on here for SPs to respond like this.

You were ghosted and she should have made the apology, explanation and goodwill gesture either way imo. It's what a true professional escort would do, regardless of what is written here or not.

One can dream

[patelprat]

Like Marvellous said in his review, some credit to her for at least trying to make it right even if it was in expectation of a good review, having read all of them her service delivery is excellent. She just seems to have poor time management.

I think it’s refreshing.
usually an EE SP would not give a toss about a reputation let alone a punters time,

Yes good outcome in the end, but I feel some SPs seem to care more about salvaging their reputation than actually feeling bad for the ghosting in the first place.

[Insideman]

Yes good outcome in the end, but I feel some SPs seem to care more about salvaging their reputation than actually feeling bad for the ghosting in the first place.

True I guess most of them do come from shitty backgrounds with a lack of respect for many things, like you said a true professional would have just “felt” bad.

But yes a good outcome, maybe she did feel bad and care about her rep.

Either way it’s good that UKP is kind of considered the OfCom of punting and that SP’s can be held accountable.

[Atrueyorkie]

To answer your question, you did not read it right.

I simply mentioned that I'd left a negative review without a mention of UKP. FYI, previous review of SP indicates she is already aware of UKP.

Okay I get she may be aware of UKP prior. But why’d you tell her you left a negative review? To what purpose? To get a discount? To tell her you’re annoyed at her. I don’t understand why you told her you left her a review

[Payyourwaymate]

Informing the SP of the neg review to get a revisit makes it looks like you are leveraging UKP against her to get good service. Whether that is intentional from you or not only you will know this but, I do not really condone that line of action to be honest.

If you sorted out a revisit without leaving a negative review first and informing her, which probably made her panic thinking she will lose work now with a bad rep, that would make this review hold more weight but now she just knows your a UKP member and tried her best knowing you will review to counter balance the neg review, so she does not lose work from the negative review. Only really helped yourself there.

So now people who wanted to see her do not know if she is really reliable or not but will know if you mention UKP she will jolt to provide a good service  . 

[daviemac]

As per my review, SP put forward an offer to apologise. There is no value to my review in stating the amount.

Yes there is, how can anyone judge value if they don't know what you paid. What is an acceptable discount to you might not be for others.

Price paid is a requirement in a review and as it stands it looks like you have used the posting of a negative review on here to gain favour by way of a discount or even a free booking.

Why mention you left a review anyway if not for your own gain.

[Adamstiles]

Ah. The issue lies with informing a service provider that poor service or lack of communication from them not only loses them my business, but potentially business from other punters in future.

Selfish move, sorry lads.

[MrMohican]

Noted. Presumably in the expectation she'd get a positive on here from you after your negative and you tell everyone she made it good. Not complaining, but clearly her thought process.

If it ends up making her more reliable for other punters in future, that's good I guess.

Im in two minds about this while I accept the general proviso that no one should be going out there using UKP reviews as a way of getting discounts or better service or even letting WGs know that you have written reviews on here in the first place I think this is a bit more nuanced if you accept the OP's response. In fact I'd go so far as to say that this is how this site should work. Good service minded WGs are human and can still fuck up like the rest of us or just be having a bad day. This site gives them the chance to make good and to get credit for that when they do make amends. The best WGs are clever enough and service minded enough to do this. Everyone wins. She gets a customer back that might have otherwise not returned and gets the chance to convert negative reviews into positives ensuring a future stream of happy customers.

[daviemac]

Ah. The issue lies with informing a service provider that poor service or lack of communication from them not only loses them my business, but potentially business from other punters in future.

Selfish move, sorry lads.

If you aren't going to say what you paid, if anything, then the review is pointless.

All it shows is you've used UKP as a lever to get a free punt. If the SP has been in the wrong then it's up to her to offer to make it up by way of a discount it's out of order for punters to use reviews as a lever. If no recompense is offered then post a negative for the ghosting and don't go back.

[Atrueyorkie]

Im in two minds about this while I accept the general proviso that no one should be going out there using UKP reviews as a way of getting discounts or better service or even letting WGs know that you have written reviews on here in the first place I think this is a bit more nuanced if you accept the OP's response. In fact I'd go so far as to say that this is how this site should work. Good service minded WGs are human and can still fuck up like the rest of us or just be having a bad day. This site gives them the chance to make good and to get credit for that when they do make amends. The best WGs are clever enough and service minded enough to do this. Everyone wins. She gets a customer back that might have otherwise not returned and gets the chance to convert negative reviews into positives ensuring a future stream of happy customers.

I read it as OP could have used Ukp leverage to not only get a discount but curry favour for himself. If you’ve been on the site long enough you’ll know there’s has been a type of people who abuse Ukp membership and sometimes threaten publishing bad reviews. Blackmail essentially.

In my personal opinion there’s absolutely no need to tell her you’re writing a bad review. Only way I see why OP did why is because he was being vindictive and wanted to use the negative review as leverage for a discount, this is exactly how I read the review.

If he just wanted to let the general Ukp public she ghosts then a simple review stating that would have sufficed. To go and tell the WG you’ve left a negative review is where it raises questions.

There’s been many people banned for trying to do this exact thing.

[MrMohican]

Having considered this bit further. I totally understand why admin on here might be worried that the OP used the site to leverage a discount and a better service when he returned. Is that what he actually did? based on his response I would say no - but thats because I think he made an honest mistake about the order he should have done this in rather than he was genuinely trying to use the site to leverage special favours. Mind you Im also conscious we only have the OP's word that he didnt mention UKP or promise to do a better review in return for putting things right which would obviously would have been a no-no. Obviously it is the admins job on here to read between the lines and issue warnings where they see fit.

So for the sake of clarity and so no one else falls into this same trap innocently if a punter has an issue with an SP you go back to her direct and complain but you dont leave a negative review UNTIL the WG has been given a fair opportunity to offer recompense - at this stage do not mention a review or suggest you will get your own back by leaving one. If she doesnt make amends as she should and you are still aggrieved then its fair game to leave a negative review but under no circumstance do you let her know you have done so or go back to her. I think this is the correct summary, right?

[Atrueyorkie]

Having considered this bit further. I totally understand why admin on here might be worried that the OP used the site to leverage a discount and a better service when he returned. Is that what he actually did? based on his response I would say no - but thats because I think he made an honest mistake about the order he should have done this in rather than he was genuinely trying to use the site to leverage special favours. Mind you Im also conscious we only have the OP's word that he didnt mention UKP or promise to do a better review in return for putting things right which would obviously would have been a no-no. Obviously it is the admins job on here to read between the lines and issue warnings where they see fit.

So for the sake of clarity and so no one else falls into this same trap innocently if a punter has an issue with an SP you go back to her direct and complain but you dont leave a negative review UNTIL the WG has been given a fair opportunity to offer recompense - at this stage do not mention a review or suggest you will get your own back by leaving one. If she doesnt make amends as she should and you are still aggrieved then its fair game to leave a negative review but under no circumstance do you let her know you have done so or go back to her. I think this is the correct summary, right?

 No. In my opinion you can leave a negative review before recompense. It’s genuine negative at the time. You can even revisit if you want to and  mention review the positive one ontop. My gripe is he told the SP he is leaving her a negative review before. Did he spell out UKP, that’s yet to be 100% confirmed i think he said no, but if he didn’t book via AW and leave a review there, and she’s already aware of UKP, then let’s not be retarded and think that the WG would not know it would be a negative Ukp review he’s referring to.

[notcalledchris]

In my view this is one of those situations where there is no right answer.  The OP was upfront about the situation which is appreciated.  Others can therefore use their own judgement as to whether or not they trust the review.  We are all adults here.

[chingaling]

How did you pay? Cash or bank transfer, she told me no cash

[patelprat]

How did you pay? Cash or bank transfer, she told me no cash

Sounds like the biggest red flag ever! I personally would avoid sending someone with her apparent track record any transfer up front.

[Iloveoral]

Moved to discussion as no fee disclosed, using UKP to bargain a free / cheap punt for a positive review after a negative, won a fortnight holiday

[PilotMan]

Obvious case of using UKP as leverage for a favourable outcome.

As the OP said, "selfish move".

[Iloveoral]

How did you pay? Cash or bank transfer, she told me no cash

I don’t see any reviews from you in the 18 months of membership, could you explain please?

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[LauraHoD]

Moved to discussion as no fee disclosed, using UKP to bargain a free / cheap punt for a positive review after a negative, won a fortnight holiday

I agree this is really sketchy behaviour from OP...also people might now threaten her with bad reviews to get discounts etc. Since they will think that is something she is likely to to do.

[LLPunting]

I agree this is really sketchy behaviour from OP...also people might now threaten her with bad reviews to get discounts etc. Since they will think that is something she is likely to to do.

If she's managed and the call-taker is making commitments on her behalf after bad reviews then the sooner she quits or the cops intervene the better and hopefully safer for her.