Nottingham brothel raids

[Birdhunter]

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[NottsThaiLover]

Wow. Two well reviewed local weekly switch establishments by the look of it.

[Iloveoral]

Chinese guy and Yangs, interesting.
Think I’ll stick with the Thais this week 

[NottsThaiLover]

Disturbing to hear women may have been forced to work as sex workers

[Iloveoral]

Yes I agree
In all my visits I never got that impression at either place.

[GoldTop]

Only took the old bill 5 years to get involved

[GoldTop]

Wow. Two well reviewed local weekly switch establishments by the look of it.

Yeah a few of us swerved a near miss

[Iloveoral]

Yeah a few of us swerved a near miss

Yeah would have been difficult if caught on one of the girls when they raided.
Not quite sure if there would have been any charges to the punter.
I’ve not read of any punters charged as far as I know, but could be a mile out.

[RogerBoner]

I wonder why the location is reported as Pelham Road. The friends of Y always appeared happy and they did offer FFM punts together. I think she took a disproportionate amount of the fees but it would be sad to think of her behind bars. I will miss her. Both places are susceptible to tip offs from neighbours, especially the Chinese guy's gaff as the tiny houses are crammed together. People will know what's going on. No more Quality Street chocolates on the way out 

[Iloveoral]

I did wonder about the street name too but we know where it is 
Yeah it would be a shame if got as far as prison, I don’t know if anyone was forced into anything, though they might not all have a visa.
I though one girl in a place was legit, if they were there of their own accord, as the Thais, who have a big debt to pay off for travel visa/ lodgings/ management.

The report does say they were released.
His phones off so I guess the Christmas special will be off.

[NottsThaiLover]

I did wonder about the street name too but we know where it is 
Yeah it would be a shame if got as far as prison, I don’t know if anyone was forced into anything, though they might not all have a visa.
I though one girl in a place was legit, if they were there of their own accord, as the Thais, who have a big debt to pay off for travel visa/ lodgings/ management.

The report does say they were released.
His phones off so I guess the Christmas special will be off.

Working only because of a big debt would be concerning. Hopefully they choose the line of work for other reasons.

[Ennui Smith]

Working only because of a big debt would be concerning. Hopefully they choose the line of work for other reasons.

I believe the debt is that incurred to pay for the listed items ( travel/visa/lodgings ).  Most Thais I have met have a very practical and pragmatic attitude towards their work.  They take out a loan, pay it off quickly, and earn enough to buy them some business to live off for the rest of their lives and take care of elderly parents.

If they could get the money another way, I am sure they would choose it, but equally I don't think they have the same hang ups about sex generally or the notion of sex work as people might in other countries and cultures.

[Iloveoral]

Working only because of a big debt would be concerning. Hopefully they choose the line of work for other reasons.

As in the visa etc is arranged in Thailand and they are given cash up front for families etc, all willingly done, the debt is then removed weekly from the takings, like a big advance.
I don’t know if that’s how the Chinese work.

[scutty brown]

maybe this will help some of you look a bit more closely at what goes on at these places.

[j122]

So Yangs 46 as rather than 28?

[NottsThaiLover]

So Yangs 46 as rather than 28?

I think so. Always add at least 10-15 years for actual ages.

[shed]

maybe this will help some of you look a bit more closely at what goes on at these places.

So when you have visited these places what things do you look at more closely to make the decision if the girls /women have been trafficked or not ?. Particularly if they don't show any signs of anxiety or hardship as seems to be the case at these two establishments?

[scutty brown]

So when you have visited these places what things do you look at more closely to make the decision if the girls /women have been trafficked or not ?. Particularly if they don't show any signs of anxiety or hardship as seems to be the case at these two establishments?

We've been over this enough times before
Start here
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=407400.msg4105504#msg4105504

[RogerBoner]

I believe the debt is that incurred to pay for the listed items ( travel/visa/lodgings ).  Most Thais I have met have a very practical and pragmatic attitude towards their work.  They take out a loan, pay it off quickly, and earn enough to buy them some business to live off for the rest of their lives and take care of elderly parents.

If they could get the money another way, I am sure they would choose it, but equally I don't think they have the same hang ups about sex generally or the notion of sex work as people might in other countries and cultures.

I don't look down or judge Thais as many are happy and proud to be helping family back home. I've seen walk through videos of some of the family homes that a couple have bought. They are big and luxurious. They say that they have to enjoy sex to do the job. I probably judge an English lady of the night more harshly as a tart and a ho  Bangkok Dangerous with Nicholas Cage is on 5Action as I write with some nightclub beauties that may have affected my judgment though.

[Cappadonna]

Oh dear, not good.

[Iloveoral]

So Yangs 46 as rather than 28?

That surprised me too

[Iloveoral]

I don't look down or judge Thais as many are happy and proud to be helping family back home. I've seen walk through videos of some of the family homes that a couple have bought. They are big and luxurious. They say that they have to enjoy sex to do the job. I probably judge an English lady of the night more harshly as a tart and a ho  Bangkok Dangerous with Nicholas Cage is on 5Action as I write with some nightclub beauties that may have affected my judgment though.

You sent me that video of a popular WG’s home, wow what a fucking house.
Absolutely beautiful and for family, I just thought, respect.

[chandlerhandler]

the police want to get round the car washes & nail bars too, get some tax dodgers rounded up, now we've got plenty of prison spaces

[tigerhoods]

Isn’t it only a brothel if more than one person working? In these places thought they only had one girl working so never thought of it as a brothel. My worse nightmare getting caught there if these guys were raided, how you’d explain that. I thought it was a matter of time before these were looked at?

[scutty brown]

Isn’t it only a brothel if more than one person working? In these places thought they only had one girl working so never thought of it as a brothel. My worse nightmare getting caught there if these guys were raided, how you’d explain that. I thought it was a matter of time before these were looked at?

You're wrong in your understanding. There may be only one girl at a time, but multiple girls use it at different times. That makes it a brothel. But that's the least of the worries here: the action seems to result from worries about human slavery, which ratchets up the severity of the crime. And as someone has already said, they're switch joints - which means almost by definition that there's a trafficking element to the way the girls are managed.
One things certain: this will have been a long time in the planning

[TrainGuy]

SHITTTTT!!!!!! I’ve been to both loads recently.
Close call…
Gutted.

Should we be worried about Spangles and DL?

[Ennui Smith]

I don't look down or judge Thais as many are happy and proud to be helping family back home. I've seen walk through videos of some of the family homes that a couple have bought. They are big and luxurious. They say that they have to enjoy sex to do the job. I probably judge an English lady of the night more harshly as a tart and a ho  Bangkok Dangerous with Nicholas Cage is on 5Action as I write with some nightclub beauties that may have affected my judgment though.

I certainly wasn't intending to judge them.  I think many do but they don't really see the whole person.  I think the attitude of many I have met is worthy of respect, particularly going back a few years. 

[NottsThaiLover]

I certainly wasn't intending to judge them.  I think many do but they don't really see the whole person.  I think the attitude of many I have met is worthy of respect, particularly going back a few years.

There have been issues with Thai’s being mislead about how the debt would be repaid. That’s why I am not too keen on the places that operate in this way.

[Ennui Smith]

There have been issues with Thai’s being mislead about how the debt would be repaid. That’s why I am not too keen on the places that operate in this way.

The Thais I am talking about tend to move around, some even control their own comms.  They usually have genuine pics and have some English.  I am not sure they are working in the kind of places you are talking about.

[scutty brown]

As in the visa etc is arranged in Thailand and they are given cash up front for families etc, all willingly done, the debt is then removed weekly from the takings, like a big advance.
I don’t know if that’s how the Chinese work.

Many Chinese are brought in that way, totally illegal of course as they don't have work visas. However with the Chinese gangs the debt and ongoing charges for accommodation etc are set up so the girl has no chance of repaying them. Classic debt bondage (i.e. slavery)

[Iloveoral]

Not really sure of the set up at Yangs, a few times I’ve offered money to be told pay the girl etc nothing to do with her.
I can honestly say in both place I’ve never met anyone that I felt wasn’t there if their own free will, how they got there I’d guess most are illegal, some students that still shouldn’t have been working but everyone happy, smiley and enthusiastic especially this years girls.
The only miserable  unhappy girl ever, who was on a student visa was gone the next day mid week.
Just goes to show you never know what’s happening behind closed doors.

I’d hope the girls are ok I’d imagine sent back home.

I see the 4 arrested are released on bail
Serous shit

[scutty brown]

Are there still any VS or other adverts still up for the places that were raided?

==edit==
I see VS is currently showing 19 profiles for what are probably really Chinese girls in Nottingham.

Of those seven are listed as belonging to one pimping group "Star Lights".
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Nationally they're actually running around 120+ profiles

[Iloveoral]

Chinese guy / Warton still up with last weeks girl
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Yangs profile up though she don’t work now
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The additional profile for Yangs girl is down

[NottsThaiLover]

Chinese guy / Warton still up with last weeks girl
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Yangs profile up though she don’t work now
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The additional profile for Yangs girl is down

I cannot imagine they are currently operating given bail conditions etc.

[scutty brown]

I cannot imagine they are currently operating given bail conditions etc.

Give it four weeks and the gangs will have replaced them with new local managers, probably in different houses/locations.
In the meantime you've got seven definite Chinese working addresses still operating in the local area plus possibly another four or five.
Star Lights are involved in at least three of them, possibly more.

[Iloveoral]

I cannot imagine they are currently operating given bail conditions etc.

Agreed they are done
Chinese guys whatsapp last on at 12,45am last Wednesday

I get how serious it all is but hope him and Yang are ok

[Newtothisstuff]

Agreed they are done
Chinese guys whatsapp last on at 12,45am last Wednesday

I get how serious it all is but hope him and Yang are ok

If those girls were trafficked or coerced, I hope they're okay and everyone else gets the book thrown at them.

[NottsThaiLover]

If those girls were trafficked or coerced, I hope they're okay and everyone else gets the book thrown at them.

Well said.

[Mansfieldman]

I guess good things never last! I hate to think that any girl I’ve seen has been trafficked … I’m sure one or two have and they will be the ones who probably don’t give 100%…
I hope Chinese guy is back up and running soon!

[Charliehutton]

Should we be worried about Spangles and DL?

I doubt it, TG, because there's no chance of any girls being trafficked in places like those. They run with the tacit consent of the police and local authority and have to be meticulously above board. One of the girls at Victoria House told me they had regular visits from the taxman and the DSS - always blokes, "Ooh, they love coming here!" - to make sure the girls were all completing tax returns and that none were claiming benefits.

[Ennui Smith]

I doubt it, TG, because there's no chance of any girls being trafficked in places like those. They run with the tacit consent of the police and local authority and have to be meticulously above board. One of the girls at Victoria House told me they had regular visits from the taxman and the DSS - always blokes, "Ooh, they love coming here!" - to make sure the girls were all completing tax returns and that none were claiming benefits.

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[Charliehutton]

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It's fair to say, Ennui, that whatever I may have been expecting from the youtube clip, it wasn't that

[midspunter]

I think if you go to places where the girls have come from overseas apparently specifically to work in parlours, there is no way of knowing that they haven't been trafficked and a good chance that they have (or that the arrangements under which they are working are far from favourable and possibly coercive). That's why I don't go.

[GoldTop]

I think if you go to places where the girls have come from overseas apparently specifically to work in parlours, there is no way of knowing that they haven't been trafficked and a good chance that they have (or that the arrangements under which they are working are far from favourable and possibly coercive). That's why I don't go.

I guess one might consider the outside possibility this is the case and not totally discount the theory due to the fact "they sucked my cock nicely and seemed ok".
That said, there is no way of being certain of anything with this hobby.

[Stoking]

Tbf, these types of charges rarely stick. Looked at a study (admittedly a few years ago now). Out of just over a thousand only 8 cases ended up in front of a judge. Of those 5 were thrown out, 2 women prosecuted for trafficking themselves and the final man to be prosecuted, turned out he was arrested before the study so had to exclude him from the findings 

[scutty brown]

Tbf, these types of charges rarely stick. Looked at a study (admittedly a few years ago now). Out of just over a thousand only 8 cases ended up in front of a judge. Of those 5 were thrown out, 2 women prosecuted for trafficking themselves and the final man to be prosecuted, turned out he was arrested before the study so had to exclude him from the findings 

I think you're being misled there.
I can think of around 15 cases that came to trial in Lancashire alone in the last few years. Each case with multiple defendants.

[Iloveoral]

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Based on that a couple that arranged it all got 18 months each and the “nanny” as such the Chinese guy, was deported.

Quite a few if you Google it

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[midspunter]

That said, there is no way of being certain of anything with this hobby.

This is no doubt true and I suspect we've all had experiences with British girls where things didn't seem quite right but, with overseas women, you've got people who - if they are under some kind of duress - literally have nowhere to turn to, probably know no-one else in the country, and can't walk into the local police station. The idea that they've all happily signed up to some kind of paid-sex version of the Erasmus scheme and arrived to find everything as promised seems to me unlikely.

[Jonesy69]

Man I tried the number the other day and did wonder why the radio silence, it’s a sad reality of punting I guess that some of the girls could be trafficked. Always liked Yang though, I never got the impression she was up to that

[NottsThaiLover]

Man I tried the number the other day and did wonder why the radio silence, it’s a sad reality of punting I guess that some of the girls could be trafficked. Always liked Yang though, I never got the impression she was up to that

Also, Yang was a working girl herself who moved into the nanny role in recent years. Not sure if that means she’s more or less likely to show empathy for the victims. She may have been a victim herself at some point.