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Offline Pennine Rover

it does seem that many Thais and Romanians are brought here and "managed" and moved about by dubious people.  Many can't speak English and yet move about the country each week.
Recently a fairly small town near me suddenly had four Thai girls, all with more or less the same advert. It was complete overkill for a small town that had a couple of local girls.
Should we as punters be reporting girls that we think are trafficked by a net work of pimps?
Earlier this year there were a couple of Rom/Bulgaria people jailed for various related offences and since then the number of Rom girls had dried up.


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Do you really need to ask this?   :unknown:

26 Allegations of underaged /trafficked/forced sex workers
Contact law enforcement.

Every time someone posts that they think an SP is trafficked they are told to report it. I've lost count of the times I've posted how to actually report it.

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it does seem that many Thais and Romanians are brought here and "managed" and moved about by dubious people.  Many can't speak English and yet move about the country each week.
Recently a fairly small town near me suddenly had four Thai girls, all with more or less the same advert. It was complete overkill for a small town that had a couple of local girls.
Should we as punters be reporting girls that we think are trafficked by a net work of pimps?
Earlier this year there were a couple of Rom/Bulgaria people jailed for various related offences and since then the number of Rom girls had dried up.

What kind of scum wouldn’t want to report a trafficked girl and try to help them?

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I wouldn't be reporting the Thai girls as they seem to be happy enough doing the job they're doing. They've entered in a business agreement to do the job for a period of time in return for the money just like any other SP.

It's the SPs who are clearly uncomfortable with the job they're doing. The ones who appear overworked, tired, stressed, unhappy and possibly underfed.

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I wouldn't be reporting the Thai girls as they seem to be happy enough doing the job they're doing. They've entered in a business agreement to do the job for a period of time in return for the money just like any other SP.

It's the SPs who are clearly uncomfortable with the job they're doing. The ones who appear overworked, tired, stressed, unhappy and possibly underfed.
You do what you like but I would hope any decent punter would report anyone that they suspected were trafficked no matter what nationality.

To make such as sweeping that all Thais are happy and none are trafficked or coerced is well . . . . . . .

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The police barely seem able to get their fat arses into gear to investigate anything so I doubt it's worth it which is what you get when the police are useless.
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Offline MysteryManNo.7

The police barely seem able to get their fat arses into gear to investigate anything so I doubt it's worth it which is what you get when the police are useless.

I agree that the police are absolutely useless however you should still be reporting to them if you encounter a WG who you believe is being trafficked or coerced.

Offline Stevelondon

I agree that the police are absolutely useless however you should still be reporting to them if you encounter a WG who you believe is being trafficked or coerced.


Abso(bloody)lutely………. To make a statement saying the police are too lazy to do anything about it, so I won’t bother reporting it.

Makes me think the punter who thinks that way will go back and see a trafficked girl. 🤷🏼

Offline Colston36

I wouldn't be reporting the Thai girls as they seem to be happy enough doing the job they're doing. They've entered in a business agreement to do the job for a period of time in return for the money just like any other SP.

It's the SPs who are clearly uncomfortable with the job they're doing. The ones who appear overworked, tired, stressed, unhappy and possibly underfed.

How do you know they're perfectly happy? Speak and read Thai, do you? Read the business agreement you know they made? Any other piffle you'd care to add?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2024, 08:23:53 pm by Colston36 »

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The police might ignore one report.  But they might act if there are 3.  What if yours would be the third?  You don't even need to grow a pair since you can report anonymously.

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Saying it isn't worth reporting them because the police won't do anything is ridiculous, the more people reporting it the more notice the police will take.

Saying they don't investigate other crimes is totally irrelevant as I understand it most forces have separate sections to deal with modern slavery and human trafficking.

I honestly wonder what goes on the the minds of those who discourage reporting suspected trafficking or coercion.   :unknown:

Offline DastardlyDick

Of course you should report it, regardless of Nationality!
If you don't want to contact the Police direct, use Crimestoppers - with the current focus on VAWG, they're bound to at least start looking into it.

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Apart from anything else, it simply isn't true to say that the police "don't do anything" in these cases. Just the regular news stories about traffickers/pimps in court says otherwise.

Offline Thecunninglinguist

All police forces have dedicated full time department dealing with nothing else than people trafficking and modern slavery offences.
You only have to look at these pages and local papers, particularly in cities, where cases are reported weekly. Not always brothels but many types. Supposed inactivity is probably lack of resources, rather than intention.

Online RandomGuy99

How do you know they're perfectly happy? Speak and read Thai, do you? Read the business agreement you know they made? Any other piffle you'd care to add?
I talk to them.

Offline JontyR

I talk to them.

I still wonder about whether there is any value in a card which contains a statement in various languages in relation to the compliance and understanding of the SP concerned as to their situtation.

The very suspicion should disuade any punter as to not engage in any sexual activity. But I reckon the police should acknowledge that the punting community is their best engagement and investigation mechanism with this covert activity and engage accordingly.

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I still wonder about whether there is any value in a card which contains a statement in various languages in relation to the compliance and understanding of the SP concerned as to their situtation.

The very suspicion should disuade any punter as to not engage in any sexual activity. But I reckon the police should acknowledge that the punting community is their best engagement and investigation mechanism with this covert activity and engage accordingly.
I think I've seen one SP who might have been trafficked. I was a newbie and a maid showed me into the place and the room. That was the first time I'd experienced that situation. The SP didn't eeem all that happy and again that was a first for me. I'd never walked mid-booking, so I stayed. In hindsight she was possibly trafficked.

Offline Colston36

I talk to them.

Oh. They're trafficked, frightened, controlled - and you talk to them. Nice.

Offline willie loman

There is no doubt that many foreign girls are helped round the country, but that is not what i call trafficked. Obviously if you sense , coercion you report it. The police up here are pretty proactive, checking id at saunas etc.
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A  few basic facts
There are a lot of trafficked or exploited sex workers in this country. Not all of them are foreign as this weeks jailing of Nicholas Moxham shows. Online reviews of the girls he used show they were identified as being at risk, but were simply regarded as barebacking junkies and left to get on with life.
But besides cases like that, it's a simple matter to look at Vivastreet or Adultwork, do a bit of online research cross-correlating phone numbers and addresses and suddenly whole groups of trafficked women become apparent. (Some may regard these as "organised" rather than trafficked, but legally organised does mean trafficked.)
It's often asked, why don't the police do more to do this kind of analysis, but the simple fact is they don't have the manpower. Just take  Lancashire as an example, VS usually has around 270 listings, often more. AW maybe 60. Around 13 Chinese parlours with multiple girls. Over 20 Thai parlours with multiple girls.
Taken together and removing duplicates you've probably got around 250-300 individual girls which need checking (but remember a lot of them move every week). In reality at any one time between a third to a half would meet the legal definition of trafficked - so assume between 80-150, with the actual girls changing weekly.
That's one heck of a moving target for the police to crack, and don't forget in most forces the anti-exploitation teams who are tasked for this work also are responsible for targeting both "county lines" drugs shipments and taking down cannabis farms. In the last couple of years the numbers of convictions for sex-trafficking actually seems to have dropped nationally, now you know why. All it takes is for a new police chief constable or commissioner to prioritise their forces objectives differently, and all the anti-trafficking work goes out the window.
What does that mean in reality? Well, the police need help. They need reports from the likes of us as to who is at risk, who is trafficked. They don't have the resources to identify victims, they need information and that can only come from nosy neighbours - or the likes of us. And by the likes of us I mean reports of where we've been, physically seen exploited women. They only have the resources to investigate high risk cases. Merely cross-matching a bunch of profiles to one address and assuming trafficking isn't enough for them (even if we know they're trafficked), the police need hard actual tangible reports of real risk - which can only come from punters like us. It's down to all of us to try and remove the trafficking and exploitation from our hobby.
But how to recognise it? I'll return to that in a later post

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Oh. They're trafficked, frightened, controlled - and you talk to them. Nice.
Actually, they're not frightened or controlled. They are happy and joking and they seem fine. They know the job they're working to make money. They don't appear to be forced into it. They appear well looked after and they like travelling around the country seeing different areas and people.

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Actually, they're not frightened or controlled. They are happy and joking and they seem fine. They know the job they're working to make money. They don't appear to be forced into it. They appear well looked after and they like travelling around the country seeing different areas and people.
How many of the 1000's in this country have you spoken to in order for you to say they are all happy and working of their own free will.

It's because of people like you, and others who discourage reporting, that things don't get reported and the pimps get away with it.

If a report is made and it's checked but found to be all above board then no harm done, if it isn't reported and they are trafficked then it continues.

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Actually, they're not frightened or controlled. They are happy and joking and they seem fine. They know the job they're working to make money. They don't appear to be forced into it. They appear well looked after and they like travelling around the country seeing different areas and people.

i'd go alone with this on SOME Thai's and Chinese who rotate around (typically) massage shops. As an example - i see a Chinese lady who comes to a massage shop near me every 2 or 3 months or so. She is provided with shops to go work out of for a week or two (usually 2 weeks) and accommodation there. she does massage and some extras of her own choosing. I have known her for about 3 or 4 years now and invite her to my place for an overnight when she is local to me. She is free to move about as she wishes to, has her passport in her handbag and is happy enough. in fact she is reluctant to have sex in the shop as its against the shop rules (HE, B2B and BJ is ok in the shop but not sex).

She, like many of them, have family at home that they financially support and were either lent money at home to come over here to work in the massage/sex trade (and knowing that before coming) or married a Brit and since separated / divorced and is doing the job to maintain an income level that allows her to send money home!

Is she trafficked as her rotation around shops is organised by someone else and she doesn't know where exactly she is going and when until she is told - but is happy to do so? I don't know the answer - maybe legally she is but i don't consider her as such because she is happy with the arrangement she has. And she has told me she is free to leave or go home any time she wants.

However there are others (for example eastern european) where clearly the lady does not want to be doing the job and is probably trafficked in the worst conditions of the legal meaning. Those i clearly would report if i came across any.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2024, 10:38:54 am by southcoastpunter »

Offline FLYING BLUE

I am not going to debate this with anybody or respond to any comments.

The simple answer here is "yes of course" we should ALL report our suspicions.

To do anything else is to condone a heinous crime.

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Some of you are going to groan when I repost this yet again, but I think it's time for another reminder.
Basically a series of how-to-tell posts regarding trafficking / human slavery. But just remember: if things look wrong they probably are, but often you have to look really really deep. That happy smiley face  can be down to fear


Firstly a few instant giveaways

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Often it's very hard to tell. Sometimes the profile gives clues:
stolen photos
new/changing profiles
multiple profiles for the same address
explicit photos
language style
profile - does it fit a known pattern?
is the girl out of place - could she realistically get here and set up in business unassisted

but often you need to see for yourself to know, here's a deeper checklist
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first read these including the links re sex workers
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Significant Signs
There are a number of signs that are common across all types of exploitation.
Including, if a person:
*acts as if instructed by another, as though they are forced or coerced to carry out specific activities
*demonstrates signs of physical or psychological abuse, such as lacking self esteem, seeming anxious, bruising or untreated medical conditions
*seems to be bonded by debt or has money deducted from their salary
*has little or no contact with family or loved ones
*is distrustful of authorities
*has threats made against themselves or family members
*is not in possession of their own legal documents

Significant signs for individuals potentially selling sex:
*Is the person closely guarded?
*Does the person have any signs of physical abuse, such as cigarette burns or tattoos indicating ownership?
*Is the person allowed to keep the money they make? A trafficked sex worker will have restricted or no access to earnings
*Is there any evidence that the person has been forced, intimidated or coerced into providing sexual services?
*Does the person have an English vocabulary of only sexualised words?
*Are there any signs the person is experiencing emotional trauma as a result of the work they are doing?

Some of the above may be unclear or contradictory, below are explanatory notes dating from 2019

Travel
With EE girls what you are looking for are girls with no obvious means of transport, who are moving location frequently. Usually a courier comes to pick them up with no prior notice and takes them to the next location. The girls usually won't know where they've been or when or where they're going. "Frequently" can mean anything between a couple of days to a couple of weeks. But don't assume static girls are OK, some teams will stay until the utility bills arrive and then jump ship every three or four months.
Chinese girls are less obvious, they're often sent out by train from London on 1-2 week shifts, sometimes unsupervised during the journey. They're held in check by the lack of language, threats to themselves and family, and debt bondage. And often they don't realise they're being exploited. Age comes into it as well -the ones at risk are mainly in the 18-28 age range.

Sleeping
This ones hard to pick up on.............sometimes there is a separate house acting as the pimps residence which the girls use for sleeping, sometimes complete with a training / breaking in room where the girls are intimidated, brainwashed raped and indoctrinated into the trade. You're most likely to find this where EE girls work from long-established houses, where the house remains in use but the girls change. Also where EE girls are hired out to parlours for the day: they get dropped off in the morning, collected next morning and the pimp pockets the price for renting her out.
However a lot of EE girls are handled differently: those in short-term lets or in hotels or serviced apartments will eat sleep and fuck in the same room.

Limited clothing
Most obvious in hotels or short term lets where the girl is living from a suitcase and may well have only the knickers she greets you in..........often what little clothing she has is totally impractical and is commonly thin £2 leggings and such like from the market. You can see what's strewn on the floor or in open suitcases
Sometimes clothes are removed from a girls reach to prevent her escaping.......I've seen this with chinese girls where the only clothes in the flat were lace bodysuits

Money collection
Sometimes there's a second person who grabs the money off you before the working girl has a chance to touch it.......indicates she's not trusted.

There are other signs as well
*does the girl look healthy, well fed?
*state of teeth, fingernails?
*what's the decor of the building? Is it a shithole, does the bath and toilet work?
*is there any furniture in the house?
*how clean is the bedding?
*are there any toiletries in the bathroom? how many razors? how many men's razors?
*what's the state of the kitchen, is there any food in the house or is she living on pot noodles or beans supplied by the pimp?
*does she know what town she's in, or what the last town was, or the next one?
*what's her hygiene like?
*how does she appear mentally? depressed? sad? brainwashed?
*does she seem scared?

none of these things on their own can conclusively prove anything, but as a mental checklist they help to give a feeling as to whether a girl is at risk.
But remember - if you have the slightest suspicion, make the call

finally this footnote which mainly applies to Asian girls, mainly Chinese (or fake Koreans or Japanese) rather than Thai - though some younger Thais with no language skills can end up in this trap

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Its very hard to tell
The problem is that Chinese women are often complicit in their own exploitation - take the Morecambe cockle pickers, they paid a fortune to be smuggled into the country in containers only to end up as debt-bonded slaves. Language problems, the need to service the debt, and fear of the smugglers stopped them complaining
Chinese women tend to come in via various routes:
smuggled in via container
on tourist / student visas (on which its illegal for them to work)
illegal via Ireland (Irish visas are easier to get than UK ones)
Many of them, especially the older ones seem to be here willingly, but the reality is that often they're paying off a debt-bond - and know that complaining isn't safe. What you've got to ask yourself when you meet a Chinese girl is "how the fuck did she get here"?
Its unrealistic to expect an uneducated girl with no English language from Zhejiang, or Guangong, or Sichuan to have raised the cash to have flown into the UK, and then organised herself to get to a serviced flat in Blackpool, Preston, Leeds or wherever............The truth is someone is organising and financing them and inevitably that organisation and finance comes from chinese organised crime.
By definition the girls are working illegally (unless they have UK residence status through marriage or parents) and are scared of telling anyone the truth. They're between a rock and a hard place: getting caught, chucked out and still having to service the debt -or carry on working, suffer the abuse and brutality of the minders and hope it comes to an end.
Often though the girls are tricked into sex work..........they get a paid flight to the UK on the belief they'll be working in a restaurant, only to find that "noodle bar girl" has a hidden meaning. They arrive, in debt, and have to fuck to survive.
Or you'll get cases like the one I've reported before: a girl flies legitimately into Heathrow on what she thinks is a holiday but the girl she's supposed to meet isn't there. Instead she gets befriended by a pimps agent who offers her a bed and a tour of London. Next day she ends up at an illegal gambling den, doesn't understand the exchange rate, is helped rack up a debt of thousands..........day after she forced to start repaying her debt by working in brothels around the country.
In short its damned hard to tell at times............all you can say for sure is that the older the girl is, then the less likely she is to be forced. Also in Liverpool (which is what you asked about) at least some of the girls are actually British - remember there has been a Chinese population there since the 1700's. However even then there's a good chance the finance comes from Triad-type gangs.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2024, 10:47:59 am by scutty brown »

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Some of you are going to groan when I repost this yet again, but I think it's time for another reminder.
Basically a series of how-to-tell posts regarding trafficking / human slavery. But just remember: if things look wrong they probably are, but often you have to look really really deep. That happy smiley face  can be down to fear


Firstly a few instant giveaways

but often you need to see for yourself to know, here's a deeper checklist
finally this footnote which mainly applies to Asian girls, mainly Chinese (or fake Koreans or Japanese) rather than Thai - though some younger Thais with no language skills can end up in this trap

Excellent & very helpful post :hi:
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How many of the 1000's in this country have you spoken to in order for you to say they are all happy and working of their own free will.

It's because of people like you, and others who discourage reporting, that things don't get reported and the pimps get away with it.

If a report is made and it's checked but found to be all above board then no harm done, if it isn't reported and they are trafficked then it continues.
I didn't say all. Obviously my opinion is based only on the ones I have seen. Probably around 40, but only 1 seemed like she was not happy doing the job and the setup seemed odd.

If I visited an SP and she was in a dirty room, looked scared or unhappy and looked malnourished or in any other way distressed then I would report it.

Different cultures seem to have a different view of the provision of sexual services.

I'm no expert on the matter. I am just contributing what I have experienced.

The ones I have spoken to are well educated and have other jobs back home. They have chosen to do this secret job in a distant country to make money to help their family or to make money to fund their education. That's what a lot of British indies do too, so I can only respect their commitment to their goals.
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I didn't say all. Obviously my opinion is based only on the ones I have seen. Probably around 40, but only 1 seemed like she was not happy doing the job and the setup seemed odd.

If I visited an SP and she was in a dirty room, looked scared or unhappy and looked malnourished or in any other way distressed then I would report it.

Different cultures seem to have a different view of the provision of sexual services.

I'm no expert on the matter. I am just contributing what I have experienced.

The ones I have spoken to are well educated and have other jobs back home. They have chosen to do this secret job in a distant country to make money to help their family or to make money to fund their education. That's what a lot of British indies do too, so I can only respect their commitment to their goals.
The fact remains nobody should be saying they wouldn't report x y or z, we should be encouraging reporting of anything suspicious so it becomes the norm.

Telling people not to report a certain nationality based on very limited experience is counter productive.

Yes some are here willingly and happy to provide a service but an awful lot aren't and we are in a better position than most to do something about it and that is something we need to encourage.

From the article linked to above. -

“Furthermore, we would urge members of the public to be vigilant of the signs that someone could be being exploited and to report any concerns to police.”

Note the 'could be' and report concerns.
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The lack of resources issue is partly why brothels are tolerated in some areas like (for example) Milton Keynes - the BiB know the girls in the various establishments there are well treated and can give valuable information about more dubious operators in the area, even if that is partly to protect their interests.

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The lack of resources issue is partly why brothels are tolerated in some areas like (for example) Milton Keynes - the BiB know the girls in the various establishments there are well treated and can give valuable information about more dubious operators in the area, even if that is partly to protect their interests.

That would be believable if the rogue operators in Milton Keynes were regularly harassed and closed by the police, with subsequent legal action. However in reality that never seems to happen.
In reality the "toleration" is really just a convenient way of ignoring the problem and doing SFA.
If you check the numbers, today MK lists 119 Vivastreet girls - most foreign, while AW lists 63 non-British girls. If you allow for duplicates that's probably around 120-130 discreet phone numbers, of which you'd probably find 35-50% meet the legal definition of trafficked. OK a lot of guestimates there, but past research puts it in the right numerical area. You're looking at around 40-70 girls in need of help in the town.
When did you last hear of a trafficking arrest related to sexual exploitation in Milton Keynes? I can find two, one by the Met, one by ERSOU - i.e. neither by the local police. Only evidence of local police activity I can find is in 2022 when they visited 57 parlours during the two weeks of Operation Aidant and arrested no-one. In other words the non-specialist local bobbies went in, chatted to the pimp, had a coffee and fucked off after finding nothing............And that's because they don't know what they're looking for.

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of which you'd probably find 35-50% meet the legal definition of trafficked. OK a lot of guestimates there, but past research puts it in the right numerical area. You're looking at around 40-70 girls in need of help in the town.
Your own words kill your argument.  It could equally be that no girls need help in MK.
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Your own words kill your argument.  It could equally be that no girls need help in MK.

Except that would go against what is known about the realities in other parts of the country, and would quite simply go against common sense.

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Recently a fairly small town near me suddenly had four Thai girls, all with more or less the same advert. It was complete overkill for a small town that had a couple of local girls.

You should read the posts of Scutty Brown.

Four Thais arriving at the same time doesn't mean trafficked. It looks borderline racist to assume this.

The Police will ask you why you think they're trafficked...and what are you going to say?

There's already plenty of actual cases of trafficking to investigate.
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But I do think its dangerous to think the problem is confined to thai, chinese or romanians when the NCA figures show the most common referral is British

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of course we should report suspicions of trafficking - External Link/Members Only

But I do think its dangerous to think the problem is confined to thai, chinese or romanians when the NCA figures show the most common referral is British


Most of those British referrals aren't for sex work though.
A large proportion of them relate to kids being used on county lines drug routes, girls being used as domestic slaves (often within the extended family - enforced marriages and suchlike), cannabis farms, off-the-books labouring jobs (farms, builders, garages)


Offline DrGFreeman

Most of those British referrals aren't for sex work though.
true on the NCA data no there is no breakdown of type of exploitation by country of origin
yet there were 4000 reports of british people being exploited but only around 350 vietnamese and 250 Romanian
based on this data, it is non-sensical to say the problem of sexual exploitation is limited to the Chinese community

what data source as you basing your analysis on ?

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true on the NCA data no there is no breakdown of type of exploitation by country of origin
yet there were 4000 reports of british people being exploited but only around 350 vietnamese and 250 Romanian
based on this data, it is non-sensical to say the problem of sexual exploitation is limited to the Chinese community

what data source as you basing your analysis on ?

from a combination of different historic sources - some private - over many years.
Best you can claim from the list you cite is that there's a massive underreporting of modern slavery, but also a misunderstanding of where to look. Most of the Romanians cited will probably be men working in car washes. For the Vietnamese a combination of girls working in nail bars, and men (and boys) in cannabis farms. Again, not sex work.
It's further complicated by listing "Albanians" - does that include Albanian women being sold as Romanian? Or Albanian male members of Albanian gangs falsely claiming "slavery" to get refugee status?
You can't believe a basic table like this: the details are misleading

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from a combination of different historic sources - some private - over many years.
Best you can claim from the list you cite is that there's a massive underreporting of modern slavery, but also a misunderstanding of where to look. Most of the Romanians cited will probably be men working in car washes. For the Vietnamese a combination of girls working in nail bars, and men (and boys) in cannabis farms. Again, not sex work.
It's further complicated by listing "Albanians" - does that include Albanian women being sold as Romanian? Or Albanian male members of Albanian gangs falsely claiming "slavery" to get refugee status?
You can't believe a basic table like this: the details are misleading

So the national crime agency is the government agency responsible for investigating human trafficking.
I trust the data published on their website more than your 'different historic sources - some private' You think you know better than the NCA ?

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So the national crime agency is the government agency responsible for investigating human trafficking.
I trust the data published on their website more than your 'different historic sources - some private' You think you know better than the NCA ?

No, I'm just explaining that chart to you
8,166 incidents there are non-sexual reports
1048 were sexual

By far the largest national groups there will be listed for non-sexual reasons - which means you can't assume an even distribution of nationalities across types. Attempting to correlate the data to nationalities of sex workers is a nonsense.

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Can I just state again, forget about nationalities, if you suspect ANY sex worker has been trafficked, coursed, forced or is underage then report it.

How many of a given nationality have been reported is irrelevant.


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Apart from anything else, it simply isn't true to say that the police "don't do anything" in these cases. Just the regular news stories about traffickers/pimps in court says otherwise.
watched a pimp /rapper called frenzo harami on YouTube bragging after years.


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It's very simple. You would report it like any other crime and do so anonymously if you wish.

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Eaves For Women is a charity that specialising in helping trafficked women. They have a helpline

External Link/Members Only


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Eaves For Women is a charity that specialising in helping trafficked women. They have a helpline

External Link/Members Only

But they're not going to be able to free someone from a trafficking/slavery environment.
That needs police action, and that's who you need to report to when you find something

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But they're not going to be able to free someone from a trafficking/slavery environment.
That needs police action, and that's who you need to report to when you find something

I presume they are clued up on what action to take - including not accepting inaction from police - as well as helping the girl, which is probably the most important thing