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The point they're making is it's Poor VFM is in your opinion.

What's the V of a punt and how does it relate to the M?

If they're used to paying £300 ph then £140 is a better price and if the punter enjoys both meetings then £140 is great VFM.

It's quite simple in the amount of time you get for what you pay. £110 per hour but sensual is paying far more and acting like it's a good deal.

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It's quite simple in the amount of time you get for what you pay. £110 per hour but sensual is paying far more and acting like it's a good deal.

Why on earth are you paying even £10 for a basic bj, a kiss and a shag? That's terrible value for literally no services that I would pay for.

Offline Bat

It's quite simple in the amount of time you get for what you pay. £110 per hour but sensual is paying far more and acting like it's a good deal.

It could just be ‘relative’ values. If you’re earning £20 an hour then a £140 girl is going to feel expensive. Conversely, if you’re on £70 an hour then it might feel like good value.

Of course, this isn’t an exact definition of ‘value’ but it’s a common transactional mindset for many people.

My personal example would be watches. If I see a decent Omega for £2,500 I’d think it was a bargain. However, most people I know would never consider paying that kind of money for a wristwatch.

Offline Cheshuk

It's quite simple in the amount of time you get for what you pay. £110 per hour but sensual is paying far more and acting like it's a good deal.

I commend you for replying as most people don't try to back themselves up on this matter.

However your point reads to me the same as saying, all cars should be the same price because they go from A to B

Offline chadpitt

I commend you for replying as most people don't try to back themselves up on this matter.

However your point reads to me the same as saying, all cars should be the same price because they go from A to B

But it's not like the paying more meant a premium service or escort.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=338483.0

The girl in question has fake tits, mid to late 30s and size 12.

It's like paying the price of a mercedes for a used kia.

Yes, I punt at the lower end because often it's lower losses. Just like say the chinese phones which have mid range specs but budget friendly prices. So VFM.

Offline Cheshuk

But it's not like the paying more meant a premium service or escort.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=338483.0

The girl in question has fake tits, mid to late 30s and size 12.

It's like paying the price of a mercedes for a used kia.

Yes, I punt at the lower end because often it's lower losses. Just like say the chinese phones which have mid range specs but budget friendly prices. So VFM.

I understand your point, you want to argue that vfm is based on the average price in an area for a similar girl/service.

It's not a bad point, and I don't wholly disagree, however, there is also a personal aspect to vfm.

The phone example, if I could afford both, I'd prefer to pay more for the iPhone and get exactly what I want, than settle for something second-best and save some money.

It's the same here, if a punters first choice is slightly above the market norm, however, falls comfortably within their budget.. then it's perfectly logical for them to go with their first choice.

They got what they wanted at a price their comfortable with, there's nothing moronic about that line of thinking since they can''t get their first choice for less and you'd be out of order to tell them not to pay for what they want if they're fine with price.




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It's the same here, if a punters first choice is slightly above the market norm, however, falls comfortably within their budget.. then it's perfectly logical for them to go with their first choice.

They got what they wanted at a price their comfortable with, there's nothing moronic about that line of thinking since they can''t get their first choice for less and you'd be out of order to tell them not to pay for what they want if they're fine with price.

+1

VFM can't be defined by any set of universal parameters because it is subjective. There's nothing wrong with saying "above what I'd pay" because it's a statement about you but claiming another meet is not accepted VFM is not true.

Offline chadpitt

I understand your point, you want to argue that vfm is based on the average price in an area for a similar girl/service.

It's not a bad point, and I don't wholly disagree, however, there is also a personal aspect to vfm.

The phone example, if I could afford both, I'd prefer to pay more for the iPhone and get exactly what I want, than settle for something second-best and save some money.

It's the same here, if a punters first choice is slightly above the market norm, however, falls comfortably within their budget.. then it's perfectly logical for them to go with their first choice.

They got what they wanted at a price their comfortable with, there's nothing moronic about that line of thinking since they can''t get their first choice for less and you'd be out of order to tell them not to pay for what they want if they're fine with price.

Well it's not logical because they're paying more than they need to. That in turn fuels inflation and makes punters worse off.

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they're paying more than they need to

They're paying exactly what they need to, and are happy to, to get their first choice.

Any inflation is purely an unintended consequence, one that doesn't particularly bother everyone.

So you want them to not pay for what they want/can afford in order to keep prices at a level you're comfortable with.

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They're paying exactly what they need to, and are happy to, to get their first choice.

Any inflation is purely an unintended consequence, one that doesn't particularly bother everyone.

So you want them to not pay for what they want/can afford in order to keep prices at a level you're comfortable with.

Honestly the perverbial brick wall comes to mind, you can try every angle you want but you wont change his mind, he doesn't want to listen because he can't admit he's wrong.

There is an emoji just for him  :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash:

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Well it's not logical because they're paying more than they need to. That in turn fuels inflation and makes punters worse off.

You really should find something to read or listen to that explains how a market operates. They are paying a price set by the market,

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Well it's not logical because they're paying more than they need to. That in turn fuels inflation and makes punters worse off.
That is the most ridiculous statement yet, they are paying exactly what they need to to see the SP they want to see at that time, yes they could find a cheaper one but it wouldn't be the one they wanted to see.

If I fancy seeing a particular SP I have to pay the price she charges, if it ticks something off my bucket list or something like that then it has to be good value for money as far as I'm concerned.

Trying to speak for everyone is just crazy, what you see as good value is individual to you, you pay what you want and let others pay what they want, you can't tell someone else what they should class as good value..

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 because they're paying more than they need to. That in turn fuels inflation and makes punters worse off


What complete rubbish 🙄  punters pay what they want and determine what they see as value for money  :hi:
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You really should find something to read or listen to that explains how a market operates. They are paying a price set by the market,

And in turn validating that price. Its called supply and demand for a reason.

I've see one wg increase her rate from £80 hr to £150. That's almost double. External Link/Members Only

So saying paying higher prices isn't having an impact is quite naive at the least

Anyways to stay on topic I haven't seen "survival sex workers" or anyone pushed by desperation into escorting. No increase on the SW sites. In fact quite the opposite
« Last Edit: May 07, 2023, 04:28:21 pm by chadpitt »

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Honestly the perverbial brick wall comes to mind, you can try every angle you want but you wont change his mind, he doesn't want to listen because he can't admit he's wrong.

There is an emoji just for him  :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash:

+1

But even I want to as he is doing my nut in!  :D

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And in turn validating that price. Its called supply and demand for a reason.

I've see one wg increase her rate from £80 hr to £150. That's almost double
. External Link/Members Only

So saying paying higher prices isn't having an impact is quite naive at the least

Anyways to stay on topic I haven't seen "survival sex workers" or anyone pushed by desperation into escorting. No increase on the SW sites. In fact quite the opposite

Ffs this probably has more to do with her wanting to change the way she works

At £80 an hour she makes £400 seeing 5 men in a day
At £150 she only has to see 3 men and makes £450

For her its a no brainer, less stress on her body, more time, better screening as she doesn't have to see the volume.

Newsflash mate ....its not all about you
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And in turn validating that price. Its called supply and demand for a reason.

I've see one wg increase her rate from £80 hr to £150. That's almost double. External Link/Members Only


Not trying to be obtuse here but I don’t understand your point?

Are you saying that a local WG has responded to demand by putting here price up? IE, a perfect example of supply and demand?

A single girl on Vivastreet (which could potentially be an identity swap) doesn’t feel like a representative sample though?

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Ffs this probably has more to do with her wanting to change the way she works

At £80 an hour she makes £400 seeing 5 men in a day
At £150 she only has to see 3 men and makes £450

For her its a no brainer, less stress on her body, more time, better screening as she doesn't have to see the volume.

Newsflash mate ....its not all about you

There could be a valid argument she has set her rates based on what similar prossies offer in the area.

Although makes perfect sense in seeing less blokes for the same total income.

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Anyways to stay on topic I haven't seen "survival sex workers" or anyone pushed by desperation into escorting. No increase on the SW sites. In fact quite the opposite

Swiftly changing the subject  :D

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Swiftly changing the subject  :D

alas i think that maybe futile for some on here when it comes to rates and payments  :D

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And in turn validating that price. Its called supply and demand for a reason.

I've see one wg increase her rate from £80 hr to £150. That's almost double. External Link/Members Only

So saying paying higher prices isn't having an impact is quite naive at the least

Anyways to stay on topic I haven't seen "survival sex workers" or anyone pushed by desperation into escorting. No increase on the SW sites. In fact quite the opposite

So the conclusion of your argument is people should not see their first choice (even though they can afford their first choice), if their first choice is outside of the average price for an area.

Simply because prices may rise more, which bothers you but doesn't particularly bother them.

Then if they don't do this they're selfish morons. Pot calling the kettle i'd say

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Maybe a change in approach should be considered by Chapitt considering his review:

37 reviews:
Positive: 10
Neutral: 11
Negative: 16

Offline Cheshuk

Maybe a change in approach should be considered by Chapitt considering his review:

37 reviews:
Positive: 10
Neutral: 11
Negative: 16

So really he's paying at least triple the rate per positive, £330 minimum per positive hour. You've renamed him Chapitt, don't know why that I found that so funny  :D

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So really he's paying at least triple the rate per positive, £330 minimum per positive hour. You've renamed him Chapitt, don't know why that I found that so funny  :D

Indeed he is  :D

My bad re typo, but yes quite funny  :lol:

Offline Bat

Maybe a change in approach should be considered by Chapitt considering his review:

37 reviews:
Positive: 10
Neutral: 11
Negative: 16

The Frank Lampard of punters?

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But it's not like the paying more meant a premium service or escort.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=338483.0

The girl in question has fake tits, mid to late 30s and size 12.

It's like paying the price of a mercedes for a used kia.

Yes, I punt at the lower end because often it's lower losses. Just like say the chinese phones which have mid range specs but budget friendly prices. So VFM.
Well done for replying in a somewhat sensible manner. Now I’ll respond. To me, she was very attractive, just my body type, very pretty, had a lovely manner about her, did what I was looking for, was the age I was looking for, had great experience, turned me on immensely and I walked away a very happy man.

She won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, clearly not yours and so you don’t want to pay her fee. But she was exactly what I was looking for AND I was happy with her fee, else I wouldn’t have paid it. Now obviously I’d have rather she did all that for free but I’m not going to hold that against her.

Chadwick, you really need to understand that everyone is different.

Now you state that you go back to those escorts that you’re happy with and don’t review them multiple times. May I suggest that you stick to them and see that they are doing it for you and be happy with them?

That’s the end of me being nice to you as it’s quite hard work.

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Well done for replying in a somewhat sensible manner. Now I’ll respond. To me, she was very attractive, just my body type, very pretty, had a lovely manner about her, did what I was looking for, was the age I was looking for, had great experience, turned me on immensely and I walked away a very happy man.

She won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, clearly not yours and so you don’t want to pay her fee. But she was exactly what I was looking for AND I was happy with her fee, else I wouldn’t have paid it. Now obviously I’d have rather she did all that for free but I’m not going to hold that against her.

Chadwick, you really need to understand that everyone is different.

Now you state that you go back to those escorts that you’re happy with and don’t review them multiple times. May I suggest that you stick to them and see that they are doing it for you and be happy with them?

That’s the end of me being nice to you as it’s quite hard work.

£130 for 45 mins is bang on the average price for Bracknell and surrounding areas. This is my ‘home territory’ and £160 an hour seems to be the norm. Certainly not an excessive price in this environment.

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The Frank Lampard of punters?

For the umpteenth time. I see the positive ones more than once

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So the conclusion of your argument is people should not see their first choice (even though they can afford their first choice), if their first choice is outside of the average price for an area.

Simply because prices may rise more, which bothers you but doesn't particularly bother them.

Then if they don't do this they're selfish morons. Pot calling the kettle i'd say

Wanting lower prices in general, not just for me, is selfish? Someone tell the bank of England and the government when they try battle inlfation.

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For the umpteenth time. I see the positive ones more than once

I think Frank said that when he was at Derby. . .

Sorry, couldn’t resist 🙈

Offline Cheshuk

Wanting lower prices in general, not just for me, is selfish? Someone tell the bank of England and the government when they try battle inlfation.

The BofE do not go around telling people they're morons for buying things at inflated prices, they use tools interest rates etc to reduce spending capability.

Agreed lower prices are good.

It's not wanting lower prices that is selfish, its the fact you don't want people who spend their own money as they please that is selfish, because they indirectly cause you problems.

Anyway mate I'm out of this discussion, it's going round in circles.
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Wanting lower prices in general, not just for me, is selfish? Someone tell the bank of England and the government when they try battle inlfation.

no, but IMO where you are going wrong is:
- not seeming to understand that VFM is a personal thing, each punter will have their own view on this. Your opinion of VFM is not the definitive word on it.
-a few guys ffrom UKP doing or not doing something (like paying or not paying the current higher rates) makes very little or no difference to prices. The %age of the total punting market that contributes to these threads and agree with you is small.
- using disrespectful (and sometimes very disrespectful) language towards others that have a different oinion to you. IMO this just shows you are a rude arogant man.
- you seem to not understand or allow that somethings (and WG's are an example) don't always confirm to economic theories of supply  and demand. some WG's, maybe many, have other criteria that they apply such as their opinion of their financial self worth.




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Back to the point. There are no more UK women on AW or VS as far as I can see. Perhaps the journo could enlighten us as to where all these women are?

Offline Bat

Back to the point. There are no more UK women on AW or VS as far as I can see. Perhaps the journo could enlighten us as to where all these women are?

I think the core of the article infers that the girls they are referring to are at the lowest end of the punting game. Trading sex for rent, occasional escorting to cover essential bills etc.

That might suggest it’s a very casual approach so they wouldn’t be setting up AW profiles and/or undertaking much advertising of services.

Could just be offering sex as a local value exchange with landlords and others in the housing industry and then picking up the odd customer here and there via word of mouth.

Pure speculation on my part but there’s quite a lot in the article talking about paying rent etc.

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I think the core of the article infers that the girls they are referring to are at the lowest end of the punting game. Trading sex for rent, occasional escorting to cover essential bills etc.

That might suggest it’s a very casual approach so they wouldn’t be setting up AW profiles and/or undertaking much advertising of services.

Could just be offering sex as a local value exchange with landlords and others in the housing industry and then picking up the odd customer here and there via word of mouth.

Pure speculation on my part but there’s quite a lot in the article talking about paying rent etc.

Thats not really sex work but more like extortion.

It just sounds like unfounded hearsay to me unless they reveal their data and sources.

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Wanting lower prices in general, not just for me, is selfish? Someone tell the bank of England and the government when they try battle inlfation.

unlike you they know that price controls do not work.

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I think the core of the article infers that the girls they are referring to are at the lowest end of the punting game. Trading sex for rent, occasional escorting to cover essential bills etc.

That might suggest it’s a very casual approach so they wouldn’t be setting up AW profiles and/or undertaking much advertising of services.

Could just be offering sex as a local value exchange with landlords and others in the housing industry and then picking up the odd customer here and there via word of mouth.

Pure speculation on my part but there’s quite a lot in the article talking about paying rent etc.
Sex for rent is one of the few things that are illegal in the paid sex game.

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Sex for rent is one of the few things that are illegal in the paid sex game.

It’s a pretty shitty thing to do as well  :thumbsdown:

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Wanting lower prices in general, not just for me, is selfish? Someone tell the bank of England and the government when they try battle inlfation.

We wont have falling prices unless we enter deflation, which no one wants and certaibly not the BoE.

What we want is for inflation to fall back to target of 2% (prices still rise but at a slower pace than now) and for wages to slowly pick up so as to slowly get back to some sort of equilibirum
« Last Edit: May 07, 2023, 07:28:18 pm by jamiekinkxxx »

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It’s a pretty shitty thing to do as well  :thumbsdown:

Someone I know was in a shared halfway house (partially subsidised but transferred out to the private sector) for a while and knew that one girl there was trading sex once a month for rent with the, particularly unpleasant, landlord.

My friend spoke to her and said she should report this lowlife but she couldn’t afford the rent and was probably heading back to live on the street if she didn’t service him.

This was in a fairly expensive part of London near Battersea Park so her rent would have been way more than the average cost for an hour or so of sex. However, he would probably have been overcharging like crazy and still getting decent income from the property. He owned other properties and she was pretty sure he was doing the same with other girls as well.

I got my friend out of there as quickly as possible and let him move in with me for a while. He told me he tried to report the landlord but didn’t really much of a response.

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I don't know guys but I think you're all wasting your time trying to reason with Chadders here.

To me, he's not arguing, economics, inflation VFM or anything like that. That's just smokescreen to what, I think, he really feels, he hates having to pay for sex. His posts (54 and 67) are quite telling; he tends to name-call WGs he doesn't fancy and doesn't intend to visit. Why do that? His reviews sound like he really despises some of the WGs he's seen.

He's just an unhappy fella not suited for punting. Not sure he likes women that much.

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I don't know guys but I think you're all wasting your time trying to reason with Chadders here.

To me, he's not arguing, economics, inflation VFM or anything like that. That's just smokescreen to what, I think, he really feels, he hates having to pay for sex. His posts (54 and 67) are quite telling; he tends to name-call WGs he doesn't fancy and doesn't intend to visit. Why do that? His reviews sound like he really despises some of the WGs he's seen.

He's just an unhappy fella not suited for punting. Not sure he likes women that much.
I’ve been trying hard to be charitable. He and his misogynist pals are cunts, plain and simple. But for the sake of hope and charity, I’ve been trying to empathise. Very hard as it takes you to a miserable and dark place.

I’d like to think that perhaps they can open their minds and see what wankers they are and I live in hope….

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I’ve been trying hard to be charitable. He and his misogynist pals are cunts, plain and simple. But for the sake of hope and charity, I’ve been trying to empathise. Very hard as it takes you to a miserable and dark place.

I’d like to think that perhaps they can open their minds and see what wankers they are and I live in hope….

That's how I feel sometimes. I tried to engage when I asked for clarification to his first posts, I was going to follow up but then I saw the rest of the posts and others getting into the mix and I thought nahh just wasting my time, never going to get through that. Sadly some people are just dead set in their ways and nothing anyone says is going to change that.


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Wanting lower prices in general, not just for me, is selfish? Someone tell the bank of England and the government when they try battle inlfation.
The problem is, what is the guy supposed to do if he wants to see her? Not pay her rates?

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Apologies. From my reading of sensualencounter posts they come across as written by a female. which is why I used she and her. Just my opinion as I stated.

You are not the only one.
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You are not the only one.
I think so too, The way he/she accused me of things. Has a feminine touch to the words.

Oh well. not up to us to decide. I have moved on from all this posting. Concentrating on reviews and seeing people now.
Few may pop up.

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You are not the only one.
Report me then if you think I’m female  :wacko: because then all my reviews and posts would be made up and I might even be an escort too. Double banning there. Likewise with punting2022. Idiots both of you. In fact all three of you, including hotdog  :dash:

Shall I get the bandwagon round for you all to ride together?

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Just a reminder the policy now is to report anything a member thinks is suspicious or out of order and let those who are tasked with the job sort it out.

Making unfounded accusations is out of order. Nobody has reported anyone on this thread.

Making the same comments that got someone a temp ban not long after the were banned is plain stupidity.
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Report me then if you think I’m female  :wacko: because then all my reviews and posts would be made up and I might even be an escort too. Double banning there. Likewise with punting2022. Idiots both of you. In fact all three of you, including hotdog  :dash:

Shall I get the bandwagon round for you all to ride together?

I’ve read quite a few of your reviews, as you’ve seen SPs local to me and reviewed a massage place I had my eyes on.

Quite clearly not written by a woman. Feels like some people are just trying to discredit your opinions simply because they don’t agree with them.

Seems pretty insulting to me. Or maybe I’m female, and/or an SP, as well and we are organising a mass  infiltration of UKP. . . 🤣🤣🤣
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Well I thought I had and also your further clarification of “However I am talking about all discussion threads and the interactions between members becoming increasingly toxic in presentation.”

Maybe I should ask increasingly from what point? But if I haven’t understood then perhaps you could explain further and maybe give some specific examples?

Apologies I had forgotten to reply to this.
 
Firstly it is not necessarily what people say, but how they say it. Rather than reply with “I disagree” and explaining why, they will begin with "What a load of bollox" or 'clueless idiot' etc ie deliberately confrontational.
In the context of many discussions (including this one) it is opinion based and there is very little dependable data and evidence to progress an opinion more towards a fact. This means there is no end point to a ‘discussion’ and it just goes around in circles.

Now before anyone tells me this is all normal on an anonymous online platform then yes it is, but the next stage is the creation of factions. I believe this is where I am noticing a more serious deterioration recently and hence toxic. It ultimately does not matter what the discussion is because if you are part of one faction, you weigh in to support your fellow faction members, but more importantly to attack an opposing faction member even if sometimes you may actually agree with them.

With regard to examples, this thread is now typical. We have a member who has completely lost all reason by saying he thought you were a female and has been banned. Then remarkably two others have committed ‘suicide by Mod’ by saying the same thing in support of their faction ‘buddy’.

What you need to ask yourself is why three people would seem to lose all rational thought processes to accuse you of something which, as Davie has pointed out, has absolutely no relevance to the topic, but is purely a personal unfounded attack?

Now you are going to say it is because you have strong opinions and don’t shy away from giving them etc, but many others can express strong opinions without being chased around a forum by an opposing faction. You maybe need to look at how you express yourself and be a little less confrontational.

Finally in your other post you said I was being oversensitive? I can assure you I am probably one of least sensitive members on here in terms of what people say to me personally. However I am looking at this from the perspective of others who may well be sensitive and therefore not contributing to threads through fear of being set upon. More likely though many just don’t contribute because the discussion is polluted by warring factions. Worse still they too get drawn into the war.