uk-women-forced-into-survival-sex-by-cost-of-living-crisis

[Lou2019]

Totally, and the negative media doesn’t help

And sadly I can’t see it changing (I’m sure I’ve said this before)

[MissWolf]

And sadly I can’t see it changing (I’m sure I’ve said this before)

Sadly neither can I

Tbf I think we have all said it in a way, I do have a little bit more hope though and  I think sites like UKP and in a small way EH are making some steps towards that change even if they are tiny.
Which is why it's so important that the positive steps ukp has taken in recent times continue and we don't let the toxic masculinity seep back

[daviemac]

Brexit was bad for the £ and the Euro, you really need to like at the rates against a baskets of currencies, the USD/GBP is a good indication how badly we are doing. To deny that Brexit didn't hurt our economy is plain and stupid.

You obviously don't think the rules apply to you.

There is a politics thread where you can discuss politics..
Sure the rules say that they should only be discussed there..
Maybe the next person who posts needs to consider the consequences of their postings 

[Lou2019]

Sadly neither can I

Tbf I think we have all said it in a way, I do have a little bit more hope though and  I think sites like UKP and in a small way EH are making some steps towards that change even if they are tiny.
Which is why it's so important that the positive steps ukp has taken in recent times continue and we don't let the toxic masculinity seep back

Although I think OnlyFans is making the industry somewhat more acceptable, us real SW will always be frowned upon,  it’s been that way for hundreds of years  We can only hope for a change, the hypocrisy needs to change.

[MissWolf]

Although I think OnlyFans is making the industry somewhat more acceptable, us real SW will always be frowned upon,  it’s been that way for hundreds of years  We can only hope for a change, the hypocrisy needs to change.

100% Lou

[Lou2019]

100% Lou

 

[Lou2019]

100% Lou

Happy to fuck us, but talk/consider us as shit, crazy 

[finn5555]

Can’t you two private message your undying love and support for each other   

This whole thread has gone off on a right tangent

[Lou2019]

Can’t you two private message your undying love and support for each other   

This whole thread has gone off on a right tangent

Glad to see you are back on form I’ve missed you 

But it’s not off tangent is it? It’s all relevant? Sorry I missed your mod status 

[Lou2019]

Glad to see you are back on form I’ve missed you 

But it’s not off tangent is it? It’s all relevant? Sorry I missed your mod status 

@finn5555 

[sensualencounter]

@finn5555 

Are you on the sauce now, prodding Finn another time to get a reaction? Like one of those pissed up by 2pm women down the estate pub shouting “Go on Kevin, ‘it ‘im”! Is everyone shit faced, “celebrating” Charlie Boy’s rise to head of the household?   

[Lou2019]

Are you on the sauce now, prodding Finn another time to get a reaction? Like one of those pissed up by 2pm women down the estate pub shouting “Go on Kevin, ‘it ‘im”! Is everyone shit faced, “celebrating” Charlie Boy’s rise to head of the household?   

I beg your pardon

[sensualencounter]

On a separate note the forum seems to have an ever increasing toxic element polluting the discussions. As such is it regressing I wonder?

I really think that this site is way better than a few years back, when the “alpha” Neanderthals roamed around making toxic comments and the subsequent pile ons from the wannabe “alphas”. You wouldn’t have even been able to write what you’ve just written without them having a dig, calling you a whiteknight or softie or some other such nonsense.

Along with the constant slagging off of escorts and archaic views, it was a hotbed of toxic masculinity. There are still a few hangovers from that time but most of them have left or been banned. KT was a major recent turning point and that seems to have vastly reduced the number of “bitches” “sluts” etc posted by others too.

But sadly there are still plenty of these guys around so we will always be faced with some on here. But, going back to my original point, they are called out far more frequently and dealt with. A case in point is the WM rapey guy - in the past, someone like KT would have congratulated him on giving her a hard fucking and getting his money’s worth. But now people aren’t afraid to speak their mind and call out that shit for what it really is.

So I completely disagree about any kind of regression. Although maybe because many of us are less afraid to voice our opinions against these idiots it might look like there are more confrontations. But I think that’s a good thing as we really shouldn’t stand for these idiots.

And as for PYWM’s surmise that because of higher prices men are getting frustrated and this is spilling over into more toxicity on here, that is ridiculous and well in the realms of Andrew Tate’s crap. Blame the women for not giving out sex causing a man to get aggressive  Just stupid misogyny and potentially very dangerous rhetoric when that entitled man thinks he’s owed sex.

[sensualencounter]

I beg your pardon

You responded to his comment. Then a little while later responded again. Which doesn’t make sense to me unless you really want a reaction or you cocked up. Hence why I wrote my little joke.

[Payyourwaymate]

I really think that this site is way better than a few years back, when the “alpha” Neanderthals roamed around making toxic comments and the subsequent pile ons from the wannabe “alphas”. You wouldn’t have even been able to write what you’ve just written without them having a dig, calling you a whiteknight or softie or some other such nonsense.

Along with the constant slagging off of escorts and archaic views, it was a hotbed of toxic masculinity. There are still a few hangovers from that time but most of them have left or been banned. KT was a major recent turning point and that seems to have vastly reduced the number of “bitches” “sluts” etc posted by others too.

But sadly there are still plenty of these guys around so we will always be faced with some on here. But, going back to my original point, they are called out far more frequently and dealt with. A case in point is the WM rapey guy - in the past, someone like KT would have congratulated him on giving her a hard fucking and getting his money’s worth. But now people aren’t afraid to speak their mind and call out that shit for what it really is.

So I completely disagree about any kind of regression. Although maybe because many of us are less afraid to voice our opinions against these idiots it might look like there are more confrontations. But I think that’s a good thing as we really shouldn’t stand for these idiots.

And as for PYWM’s surmise that because of higher prices men are getting frustrated and this is spilling over into more toxicity on here, that is ridiculous and well in the realms of Andrew Tate’s crap. Blame the women for not giving out sex causing a man to get aggressive  Just stupid misogyny and potentially very dangerous rhetoric when that entitled man thinks he’s owed sex.

What? How did you conclude that? Listen here you pretentious know it all, go do one and stop dragging me into your narrative of challenging men who have something against women because I am not one of them.

[chadpitt]

I really think that this site is way better than a few years back, when the “alpha” Neanderthals roamed around making toxic comments and the subsequent pile ons from the wannabe “alphas”. You wouldn’t have even been able to write what you’ve just written without them having a dig, calling you a whiteknight or softie or some other such nonsense.

Along with the constant slagging off of escorts and archaic views, it was a hotbed of toxic masculinity. There are still a few hangovers from that time but most of them have left or been banned. KT was a major recent turning point and that seems to have vastly reduced the number of “bitches” “sluts” etc posted by others too.

But sadly there are still plenty of these guys around so we will always be faced with some on here. But, going back to my original point, they are called out far more frequently and dealt with. A case in point is the WM rapey guy - in the past, someone like KT would have congratulated him on giving her a hard fucking and getting his money’s worth. But now people aren’t afraid to speak their mind and call out that shit for what it really is.

So I completely disagree about any kind of regression. Although maybe because many of us are less afraid to voice our opinions against these idiots it might look like there are more confrontations. But I think that’s a good thing as we really shouldn’t stand for these idiots.

And as for PYWM’s surmise that because of higher prices men are getting frustrated and this is spilling over into more toxicity on here, that is ridiculous and well in the realms of Andrew Tate’s crap. Blame the women for not giving out sex causing a man to get aggressive  Just stupid misogyny and potentially very dangerous rhetoric when that entitled man thinks he’s owed sex.

This is the kind of sad nonsense that someone paying £140 for 45mins had to say to justify their overspending.

[sensualencounter]

What? How did you conclude that? Listen here you pretentious know it all, go do one and stop dragging me into your narrative of challenging men who have something against women because I am not one of them.

It’s exactly what you said. You’ve said men are getting frustrated because they can’t afford to have sex 

[Lou2019]

You responded to his comment. Then a little while later responded again. Which doesn’t make sense to me unless you really want a reaction or you cocked up. Hence why I wrote my little joke.

The thing with finn5555 is he will make a comment then doesn’t have the balls to continue to back it up when challenged, and being the arse I am it’s annoying 

[sensualencounter]

This is the kind of sad nonsense that someone paying £140 for 45mins had to say to justify their overspending.

Chadders, you’re like a broken record. Why are you so worried about what other people pay? Or what other people earn? Just worry about yourself to start with.

[sensualencounter]

The thing with finn555 is he will make a comment then doesn’t have the balls to continue to back it up when challenged, and being the arse I am it’s annoying

You replied to Finn in #158

Then about 40 minutes later you quoted your post #158 with “@Finn  “

I’d screenshot but I’m bollocks at that. Anyway, the moment has passed…

[Lou2019]

You replied to Finn in #158

Then about 40 minutes later you quoted your post #158 with “@Finn  “

I’d screenshot but I’m bollocks at that. Anyway, the moment has passed…

And …….. you don’t need to screenshot it’s all for here to see ? I used to to think you was ok but lately not so much

[finn5555]

Chadders, you’re like a broken record. Why are you so worried about what other people pay? Or what other people earn? Just worry about yourself to start with.

To many moan about prices. Maybe Chadders is hoping those going into prostitution for survival sex are going to lower prices. I for one doubt it will happen.

[Blackpool Rock]

This thread appears to have gone a bit OT with a free for all squabble the end result 

Ironic with people claiming about how things have apparently gone back to being toxic but are then also happy to add fuel to the fire and "pile on" while complaining about the exact same thing 

The site is nothing like it used to be years ago and i'd even say 6 months ago, perhaps time for everyone to just take a deep breath, stand back and chill 

[sensualencounter]

And …….. you don’t need to screenshot it’s all for here to see ? I used to to think you was ok but lately not so much

It was a joke. That you clearly didn’t get and have taken offence to. So apologies for that.

[sensualencounter]

This thread appears to have gone a bit OT with a free for all squabble the end result 

Ironic with people claiming about how things have apparently gone back to being toxic but are then also happy to add fuel to the fire and "pile on" while complaining about the exact same thing 

The site is nothing like it used to be years ago and i'd even say 6 months ago, perhaps time for everyone to just take a deep breath, stand back and chill 

Threads go off on a tangent all the time, it’s the nature of chat forums. When someone says something slightly off track and it requires a response then that’s what happens.

As for the “people” claiming things are toxic, it was only Doc who raised it and I don’t see a pile on anywhere? A few retorts between a few different people and a joke I made that Lou didn’t get. And someone deciding to stupidly bring up politics again 

I do agree with you, this site is way better, hence my response to Doc. I personably think he’s being a bit over sensitive if he feels it’s worse but yes there are still toxic people here and there always will be as there are toxic people everywhere. However, don’t mistake differences of opinion and personalities as toxicity.

[Doc Holliday]

I do agree with you, this site is way better, hence my response to Doc. I personably think he’s being a bit over sensitive if he feels it’s worse but yes there are still toxic people here and there always will be as there are toxic people everywhere. However, don’t mistake differences of opinion and personalities as toxicity.

You haven't understood my post 

[chadpitt]

Chadders, you’re like a broken record. Why are you so worried about what other people pay? Or what other people earn? Just worry about yourself to start with.

Because if WGs have morons willing to pay over the odds than they will keep pushing prices and reducing services.

[finn5555]

Because if WGs have morons willing to pay over the odds than they will keep pushing prices and reducing services.

What do you class as over the odds?

[sensualencounter]

You haven't understood my post 

Well I thought I had and also your further clarification of “However I am talking about all discussion threads and the interactions between members becoming increasingly toxic in presentation.”

Maybe I should ask increasingly from what point? But if I haven’t understood then perhaps you could explain further and maybe give some specific examples?

[Hotdogboy88]

What? How did you conclude that? Listen here you pretentious know it all, go do one and stop dragging me into your narrative of challenging men who have something against women because I am not one of them.

Mate if I was you I’d try to ignore sensualencounter as in my opinion she is the biggest troll on here, only have to look at how many threads she trolled on and whipped up a lot and toxic in fighting. Her mask is slipping now and even her own supporters starting to see her true colours shinning through. She and KT (who she seems obsessed with) are both so far from the centre that they all more alike and closer to each other in so many respects. Both entertaining but not taken very seriously by most I would imagine.

[daviemac]

Mate if I was you I’d try to ignore sensualencounter as in my opinion she is the biggest troll on here, only have to look at how many threads she trolled on and whipped up a lot and toxic in fighting. Her mask is slipping now and even her own supporters starting to see her true colours shinning through. She and KT (who she seems obsessed with) are both so far from the centre that they all more alike and closer to each other in so many respects. Both entertaining but not taken very seriously by most I would imagine.

Who are you talking about, you have named sensualencounter but then you say 'she' and 'her'. 

If you have a problem with any other member then report it do not start name calling.

[Hotdogboy88]

Who are you talking about, you have named sensualencounter but then you say 'she' and 'her'. 

If you have a problem with any other member then report it do not start name calling.

Apologies. From my reading of sensualencounter posts they come across as written by a female. which is why I used she and her. Just my opinion as I stated.

[Bat]

Because if WGs have morons willing to pay over the odds than they will keep pushing prices and reducing services.

Surely it’s simply basic ‘supply and demand’ in a free marketplace.

The market will determine its own price. Some people will try a higher price and, if the demand is there, be able to maintain it. If the demand slackens off then they’ll reduce again.

Same with levels of service. If the service is good then punters will come back, if it isn’t, they won’t return. The worst thing here, of course, is if they’re caught out at a high price and poor service  - hopefully that’s what this forum is here for, to advise on good service and warn about the poor sessions

[daviemac]

Apologies. From my reading of sensualencounter posts they come across as written by a female. which is why I used she and her. Just my opinion as I stated.

Provocative posts such as yours are totally out of order, in fact there was no reason for you to get your self involved on behalf of another member.

Are you now trying to say sensualencounter is an SP and not declared it.   

[jay121]

Surely it’s simply basic ‘supply and demand’ in a free marketplace.

The market will determine its own price. Some people will try a higher price and, if the demand is there, be able to maintain it. If the demand slackens off then they’ll reduce again.

Same with levels of service. If the service is good then punters will come back, if it isn’t, they won’t return. The worst thing here, of course, is if they’re caught out at a high price and poor service  - hopefully that’s what this forum is here for, to advise on good service and warn about the poor sessions

Adding on to this not every punter has the same budget, what may seem expensive to some may not actually seem expensive to other punters. That always has and always will be the case.

[Hotdogboy88]

Provocative posts such as yours are totally out of order, in fact there was no reason for you to get your self involved on behalf of another member.

Are you now trying to say sensualencounter is an SP and not declared it.   

Again apologises if it came across as provocative. It was merely my opinion which seems to be what this whole thread is pretty much full of opinions. seems a lot of other posts could be viewed as provocative.

In Regards to sensualencounter I don’t anything about the person it never crossed my mind that sensualencounter is a SP. Mind you a few posts back sensualencounter  did say they would engage in sexual activity for cash. So I guess it’s possible, but I don’t know, in my opinion I would say no.

Hope that clears everything up.

[daviemac]

Again apologises if it came across as provocative. It was merely my opinion which seems to be what this whole thread is pretty much full of opinions. seems a lot of other posts could be viewed as provocative.

In Regards to sensualencounter I don’t anything about the person it never crossed my mind that sensualencounter is a SP. Mind you a few posts back sensualencounter  did say they would engage in sexual activity for cash. So I guess it’s possible, but I don’t know, in my opinion I would say no.

Hope that clears everything up.

No it does not clear anything up, you have called another member 'she' and 'her' and the sole reason for that that I can see is to provoke a reaction.

[Hotdogboy88]

No it does not clear anything up, you have called another member 'she' and 'her' and the sole reason for that that I can see is to provoke a reaction.

Ok. So what can I do to clear things up?

[sensualencounter]

Just logged back in….

Thanks davie for calling out this wind up merchant. Although I feel somewhat conflicted as I do like to fight my own battles! But I feel you’ve summed this one up perfectly well, so no need to add anything else.

[daviemac]

Ok. So what can I do to clear things up?

You have not made any comments on the subject of this thread, your two other posts were how they made you laugh and that you agree with another comment, then for no discernible reason you involve yourself with something perceived by you as an issue between two others.

Totally out of order and uncalled for.

[ulstersubbie]

Adding on to this not every punter has the same budget, what may seem expensive to some may not actually seem expensive to other punters. That always has and always will be the case.

This is a salient point, all punters on UKP are individuals and will make their own monetary decisions. What I choose to spend on a session is ultimately my choice, reviewing the said encounter is what matters.

[Bat]

Adding on to this not every punter has the same budget, what may seem expensive to some may not actually seem expensive to other punters. That always has and always will be the case.

I mentioned this on a previous thread about SP earnings relative to how much I am currently able to earn.

I’m a ‘service provider’, albeit in a different field. I am also 100% independent and operate as a freelancer. Based on my current net charge out rates it takes me approximately half a day to cover the costs of an hour or so with a quality SP. I consider this good value for money and am happy to pay it.

 If demand for my services falls then I’ll either see less SPs or reduce the time per booking to match my own day rates.

[Atrueyorkie]

Thank you for keeping it short and straight to the point, I was expecting another 10 paragraphs long response from you. Respect!

  HAHAHA

[Cheshuk]

Adding on to this not every punter has the same budget, what may seem expensive to some may not actually seem expensive to other punters. That always has and always will be the case.

This is exactly how I see it too. I've seen people call people cunts for overpaying or in this thread morons. I'd love to hear the logic, of why what they class as vfm is objective truth.. however they usually don't explain further after name-calling.

I think it's down to the fact there is no logic behind the statement except people with bigger budgets who have no issues with prices are causing them problems with their lesser budgets.

[jamiekinkxxx]

This is exactly how I see it too. I've seen people call people cunts for overpaying or in this thread morons. I'd love to hear the logic, of why what they class as vfm is objective truth.. however they usually don't explain further after name-calling.

I think it's down to the fact there is no logic behind the statement except people with bigger budgets who have no issues with prices are causing them problems with their lesser budgets.

+1

[sensualencounter]

This is exactly how I see it too. I've seen people call people cunts for overpaying or in this thread morons. I'd love to hear the logic, of why what they class as vfm is objective truth.. however they usually don't explain further after name-calling.

I think it's down to the fact there is no logic behind the statement except people with bigger budgets who have no issues with prices are causing them problems with their lesser budgets.

I agree, it’s the lack of substantiating their accusations. At least if there was some proper logic to it, it would be more understandable. And this “if we all refuse to pay them they will drop their prices” is utter tosh imo.

I’d go one stage further and say that not only is it a jealousy of other punters willing and able to pay what they deem as value for money but also a real chip on their shoulders about women commanding that kind of price.

It’s interesting to note that a lot of the price moaning comes from those punters who tend to punt at the lower price range and do 15-30 minute meets. Nothing wrong with punting like that per we and I’ve done the odd one in the past. But take chadders’ reviews for example. They tend to be random vivastreet bookings, usually EE and tend to result in neutrals or negatives for B&S, poor service, poor attitude and so on.

So, is that really good value? And then why continually repeat that kind of booking, with similar results each time?

[finn5555]

It’s interesting to note that a lot of the price moaning comes from those punters who tend to punt at the lower price range and do 15-30 minute meets. Nothing wrong with punting like that per we and I’ve done the odd one in the past. But take chadders’ reviews for example. They tend to be random vivastreet bookings, usually EE and tend to result in neutrals or negatives for B&S, poor service, poor attitude and so on.

So, is that really good value? And then why continually repeat that kind of booking, with similar results each time?

Value for money is always going to be subjective, of course there is more risk in punting the conveyor style prossies. Although some have found and reported on real gems!

I am sure the women who choose this path in life would love to have low volume high priced meetings but sadly that’s not always the case.

I know one who charges £250 an hour and has regular clients who she meets just for lunch with no sexual contact whatsoever, that would boil the piss of some guys on here 

[Cheshuk]

I agree, it’s the lack of substantiating their accusations. At least if there was some proper logic to it, it would be more understandable. And this “if we all refuse to pay them they will drop their prices” is utter tosh imo.

I’d go one stage further and say that not only is it a jealousy of other punters willing and able to pay what they deem as value for money but also a real chip on their shoulders about women commanding that kind of price.

It’s interesting to note that a lot of the price moaning comes from those punters who tend to punt at the lower price range and do 15-30 minute meets. Nothing wrong with punting like that per we and I’ve done the odd one in the past. But take chadders’ reviews for example. They tend to be random vivastreet bookings, usually EE and tend to result in neutrals or negatives for B&S, poor service, poor attitude and so on.

So, is that really good value? And then why continually repeat that kind of booking, with similar results each time?

Agreed, certainly seems an emotional reaction from them rather than a logical one. Their lack of self-awareness is truly astonishing 

[chadpitt]

I agree, it’s the lack of substantiating their accusations. At least if there was some proper logic to it, it would be more understandable. And this “if we all refuse to pay them they will drop their prices” is utter tosh imo.

I’d go one stage further and say that not only is it a jealousy of other punters willing and able to pay what they deem as value for money but also a real chip on their shoulders about women commanding that kind of price.

It’s interesting to note that a lot of the price moaning comes from those punters who tend to punt at the lower price range and do 15-30 minute meets. Nothing wrong with punting like that per we and I’ve done the odd one in the past. But take chadders’ reviews for example. They tend to be random vivastreet bookings, usually EE and tend to result in neutrals or negatives for B&S, poor service, poor attitude and so on.

So, is that really good value? And then why continually repeat that kind of booking, with similar results each time?

Take your reviews where you pay £140 for just 45mins. Poor VFM.

As always you miss the point that I see the positive ones multiple times.

[datwabbit]

Take your reviews where you pay £140 for just 45mins. Poor VFM.

The point they're making is it's Poor VFM is in your opinion.

What's the V of a punt and how does it relate to the M?

If they're used to paying £300 ph then £140 is a better price and if the punter enjoys both meetings then £140 is great VFM.