Buggery

[Vice Admiral]

While I was reading a recently bumped-up thread – “Tips and positions when punting a BBW” – I noticed that on 20 March last year David Good wrote this: “I had the pleasure of buggering this big beauty as she knelt on a chair at a party a couple of years ago.”

Seeing that word in print was like a breath of fresh air – in a manner of speaking – and prompts me to ask why buggery’s gone out of fashion? 

The word, that is, not the activity, which some surveys seem to suggest has never been more popular.

Buggery’s a good, honest, old-fashioned word, like fucking and fellatio – and definitely has, erm, a ring to it. 

Yet, when it comes to using the tradesmen’s entrance, terms more commonly used these days include: "A Levels" (too twee), "anal sex" (too biological) and “bum-fuck” (too informal).

Bring back buggery, I say!  Let's see more of it!

(I also like sodomy, but I guess it's probably best to ride one linguistic hobby-horse at a time.)

[sharpshoes78]

I recently used 'poop chute' 

[PumpDump]

I recall in a lot of news stories where children had been raped, the term buggery was always used in court. So in my experience it is not a word I would be comfortable to use as it has those negative connotations, in my mind at least.

[sparkus]

What first comes to mind are 19th century sailors or Winston Churchill's quip about a gay MP's sham marriage ("Buggers can't be choosers")

[sparkus]

I also think buggery was used in court and police reports for pre-1967 sexual offences by consenting gentlemen.

[Vice Admiral]

I also think buggery was used in court and police reports for pre-1967 sexual offences by consenting gentlemen.

It would have depended what the gentlemen in question were consenting to. 

I was about to respond by saying no more than that, in a court of law, the term "buggery" can only ever refer to anal intercourse.

I have, however, just probed a little more deeply (oo-er missus) and – interestingly – it appears that in law it is also applied to sexual penetration of an animal's anus or vagina.

So sheep-shaggers are buggers.

One learns something new every day.

[Doc Holliday]

I also think buggery was used in court and police reports for pre-1967 sexual offences by consenting gentlemen.

Yes it is it's historical usage in Law that taints it, including beastiality.

[willie loman]

the term anal sex seems fine to me, and every women i have  ever spoken to about the subject has used that term, its men exclusively who revel in all manner of of tasteless expressions, many of them frankly juvenile.

[JontyR]

many of them frankly juvenile.

Yeah well, Yo Mamma...

[sparkus]

Sodomy was also the favoured term for those looking down on, erm, sodomites.

[Waterhouse]

Get a grip, man!


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[cunningman]

the term anal sex seems fine to me, and every women i have  ever spoken to about the subject has used that term, its men exclusively who revel in all manner of of tasteless expressions, many of them frankly juvenile.

For me I'd think 'buggery' is 'my cock going where it wasn't designed to go' (and yes not in a throat).  And yet not 'anal rape'.

But 'anal sex' could include other things that are sexually gratifying with an anus.  I know we have 'Rimming (receiving)' on AW but who is this pleasuring?

How about fingering her anus, even fisting?  Or using a dildo?  Could be enjoyable for her, no cock involved.

To me those things are 'anal sex' and also so is buggery (and I guess sodomy - but isn't that essentially two males?  And, in these times, what does that make having fun with a TS?)

[Thephoenix]

To me those things are 'anal sex' and also so is buggery (and I guess sodomy - but isn't that essentially two males?  And, in these times, what does that make having fun with a TS?)

Painal sex?

[sensualencounter]

Yes it is it's historical usage in Law that taints it, including beastiality.

Exactly that. Sadly used to prosecute homosexuals in a bygone era but also used for bestiality as well as child sex offences. So, and this is only my personal opinion, it is a word that I don’t revel in hearing, on a similar level in my eyes to using the “n” word ignorantly.

Likewise, I’m not a big fan of religious things and that is where Sodomy comes from - Sodom and Gomorrah and, whilst not wishing to stray into religious territory for obvious reasons, I’m not keen on castigating certain sections of society or interpreting things in a certain way to fit whatever narrative one wishes to pursue. If anyone is interested then there is plenty of reading material on t’internet to fuel any further interest.

It saddens me that even in this day and age, whilst things have moved on from locking up Oscar Wilde or chemically castrating Alan Turing and driving him to suicide, there are still plenty of people who still regurgitate this vile ignorance.

[Vice Admiral]

Then up spoke the Bey of Algiers,
Who's been queer for a number of years:
"You may think it odd of me
To end all this sodomy,
But from now on it's fucking!" (Loud cheers.)

[Vice Admiral]

Until the law was changed in 1994, consensual buggery between a man and a woman was a criminal offence, with a recommended "tariff" of three months in prison.

I quote from Hansard, 20 June 1994:
"However, where the sentencer decides that the offence either was or may have been consensual, the current edition of the Encyclopaedia of Sentencing gives advice to judges who have to sentence in those circumstances. It indicates that the proper sentence for consensual buggery between a man and a woman in private is one of an immediate custodial sentence of three months."

Not many people know that.

[WASA38]

buggery
Any sexual act other than normal intercourse. The term is derived from the Bogomils, a late Middle Ages sect who believed that creating children was a sin, and practiced any sexual action which prevented conception. They were eventually wiped out by The Church.
The Bogomils practiced buggery.

Source: Urban Dictionary

Funny. I'm sure that I once read that the term evolved as a slur on the citizens of Bulgaria.

[mr.bluesky]

Well bugger me I didn't expect to see this topic popping popping up on here 

[Bonker]

Wasn't there an old game called bugger my neighbour?

It may also be a corruption of beg her.

[Thephoenix]

In my experience, many ladies enjoy a good bumming.

[southcoastpunter]

Seeing that word in print was like a breath of fresh air – in a manner of speaking – and prompts me to ask why buggery’s gone out of fashion? 

The word, that is, not the activity,

shouldn't this be in off topic??

[S.X. MacHine]

Exactly that. Sadly used to prosecute homosexuals in a bygone era but also used for bestiality as well as child sex offences. So, and this is only my personal opinion, it is a word that I don’t revel in hearing, on a similar level in my eyes to using the “n” word ignorantly.

Likewise, I’m not a big fan of religious things and that is where Sodomy comes from - Sodom and Gomorrah and, whilst not wishing to stray into religious territory for obvious reasons, I’m not keen on castigating certain sections of society or interpreting things in a certain way to fit whatever narrative one wishes to pursue. If anyone is interested then there is plenty of reading material on t’internet to fuel any further interest.

It saddens me that even in this day and age, whilst things have moved on from locking up Oscar Wilde or chemically castrating Alan Turing and driving him to suicide, there are still plenty of people who still regurgitate this vile ignorance.

Ok, so you’ve helpfully explained that ‘sodomy’ comes from ‘Sodom’, the city. No argument there.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what they got up to in Gomorrah?
Can you enlighten us

[willie loman]

For me I'd think 'buggery' is 'my cock going where it wasn't designed to go' (and yes not in a throat).  And yet not 'anal rape'.

But 'anal sex' could include other things that are sexually gratifying with an anus.  I know we have 'Rimming (receiving)' on AW but who is this pleasuring?

How about fingering her anus, even fisting?  Or using a dildo?  Could be enjoyable for her, no cock involved.

To me those things are 'anal sex' and also so is buggery (and I guess sodomy - but isn't that essentially two males?  And, in these times, what does that make having fun with a TS?)

anal play tends to be the polite term that covers those activities, for the sophisticates, postillionage, and no reason why rimming shouldnt be enjoyed by the giver and receiver.

[Jonestown]

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what they got up to in Gomorrah?
Can you enlighten us

Gomorrah is a housing estate in Naples populated by would be and real gangsters.
The main activities seem to revolve around killing each other and shagging remaining relatives.

[mr.bluesky]

Everyone seems to be missing the point here. Vice Admiral is clearly saying its the TERM "buggery" not the ACT that that seems to have gone out of fashion  :dash.

[Vice Admiral]

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what they got up to in Gomorrah?

Endless promiscuous sex, with the result that in biblical times the city was a hot-bed of sexually transmitted diseases.

"Gonorrhoea" is a corruption of the word "Gomorrah".

[Vice Admiral]

There are many words that have different connotations and "mood music" for different people.

Some of those who have posted on this thread get a very negative feel from the word "buggery".  I don't.

For example, let's suppose that a man and his girlfriend go for dinner at a restaurant on St Valentine's day and, after a few glasses of champagne, the girl looks her man in the eye and says, "I'd like you to bugger me tonight."

That would be really rather romantic. 

However "I'd like you to sodomise me tonight" would not be at all a romantic thing to say.  (Nor indeed would, "Let's have anal intercourse later on.")

[Squire Haggard]

Until the law was changed in 1994, consensual buggery between a man and a woman was a criminal offence, with a recommended "tariff" of three months in prison.

I quote from Hansard, 20 June 1994:
"However, where the sentencer decides that the offence either was or may have been consensual, the current edition of the Encyclopaedia of Sentencing gives advice to judges who have to sentence in those circumstances. It indicates that the proper sentence for consensual buggery between a man and a woman in private is one of an immediate custodial sentence of three months."

Not many people know that.

I didn't.
I suppose that its one of those laws that got forgotten about because nobody could be arsed changing it 

[Colston36]

Yes it is it's historical usage in Law that taints it, including beastiality.

I believe the word is bestiality.

[Doc Holliday]

I believe the word is bestiality.

It is indeed

[Jonestown]

It’s always referred to as buggery when it involves public school boys or certain sections of the armed forces, i.e. guardsmen or sailors, indeed the naval fashion for having a tuft of hair on each facial cheek was known as “buggers grips”.

[sensualencounter]

Ok, so you’ve helpfully explained that ‘sodomy’ comes from ‘Sodom’, the city. No argument there.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what they got up to in Gomorrah?
Can you enlighten us

No because this is way too far into religion and off topic imo. But just Google Sodom & Gomorrah and read up on all the different interpretations of the historical myths. Were the towns really full of certain types? Were they persecuted? Are the stories even true?

What does fascinate me is everybody’s different reactions to the “swear” words. Etymology fascinates me but it’s just one tiny piece of everything that makes us who we are today.

[mills_and_bhuna]

For example, let's suppose that a man and his girlfriend go for dinner at a restaurant on St Valentine's day and, after a few glasses of champagne, the girl looks her man in the eye and says, "I'd like you to bugger me tonight."

That would be really rather romantic. 

I think Hallmark Cards are missing a trick here if you're expressing a popular view

[Vice Admiral]

It’s always referred to as buggery when it involves public school boys or certain sections of the armed forces, i.e. guardsmen or sailors, indeed the naval fashion for having a tuft of hair on each facial cheek was known as “buggers grips”.

I suspect that buggery at public schools is largely a thing of the past.  Now that most public schools are co-educational, the majority of the boys have presumably reprogrammed their adolescent sexual urges. 

Equally, "rum, sodomy and the lash" are no longer at the heart of the Royal Navy.  Perhaps that's why it's no longer the admiration of the world?

[willie loman]

I suspect that buggery at public schools is largely a thing of the past.  Now that most public schools are co-educational, the majority of the boys have presumably reprogrammed their adolescent sexual urges. 

Equally, "rum, sodomy and the lash" are no longer at the heart of the Royal Navy.  Perhaps that's why it's no longer the admiration of the world?

 a pub fact used to be, "after 90 days at sea, sodomy was not an offense in the royal navy", girls as scottish boarding schools, eg fettes college, are all put on the pill by the matron, some medical excuse is cited,

[davidgood]

It has been amusing to see that my use of an old, less used, word has created so much interest and comment.

Those of you who read my reviews will know that it is not a word I tend to use for the things I get up to.

I think that when I threw it into that post last year it was to make it more punchy and also for a bit of alliteration. If I was to write it again now I may describe Jayne as a big buxom blonde beauty.

Since I last had the pleasure of last playing with her she has done quite a few MF or MMF shoots rather than the solo stuff she used to do. if you want to see more of her in action I slipped a link of one of her vids into the  'favourite porn clip' thread last week.

Regards,
davidgood

[GreyDave]

I had to explain this word to a Serbian worker who had been working with a collegue MISTAKE CAUTION SHOULD BE USED ...

The two of them an older English bloke and him in his 40`s worked well they were mates and when the Serbian chap made small mistakes or wanted some thing out of reach the English guy used the phrases

You daft bugger...silly bugger ...akward bugger ...stupid bugger ...youve buggered it... thats buggered ...I could go on these were always said by English chap with that sort of sighing voice and a smile ...

When I explained that the word was a sort of FILL IN word a word that was used as a friendly insult to good mates  He still asked YES but what is it? I explained well its sticking a cock in an anus 

He hit the roof " metaphoricly speaking "  stormed over to his (what I would of said buddy or mate ) and told him he was an Orthodox Christian and homosexuality was a sin ect...they fell out...its taken a while now and I tried to explain the lost in transllation bit but 

Anyway fast forward to early this week and check out my last reveiw  I did a MMF meet and decided to take the cock up the bum by squating  Cowboy style on a good 6 inches of it I took lead in the act so I surpose reverse buggery? I thought anal sex was for consent and buggery slips in ( done that a few times in mish with various girls by accident when going for it Opps

[Colston36]

It’s always referred to as buggery when it involves public school boys or certain sections of the armed forces, i.e. guardsmen or sailors, indeed the naval fashion for having a tuft of hair on each facial cheek was known as “buggers grips”.

Buggers' Grips were not a fashion particular to the navy, but throughout society, as many photographs show.

As to naval tradition, my uncle joined in the 1920s in his late teens. Within days he was buggered. "Bend over. Bang!" as he put it.

This led to him offering his arse up for dosh, but he was not particularly partial to males. I asked him what was the best sex he ever had, and he said it was "with a 16 stone negress in Jamaica".

When I knew him he was the verger in a church in Fleet Street, where I stayed when I got my first good job in London.

Eventually he worked at the Royal Chapel, Windsor Castle, where he lived happily with a lady. A wonderful man.

[sparkus]

Given the subject heading and the intense interest it has generated, it's a pity that OP's name on here isn't Rear Admiral

[Thephoenix]

As to naval tradition, my uncle joined in the 1920s in his late teens. Within days he was buggered. "Bend over. Bang!" as he put it.

Ah yes!
Beware of the killick stoker encouraging you to search for the golden rivet.

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[Colston36]

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I asked my uncle why he went from the navy to the church. Was he religious? Not at all. He said the church had one quality in common with the navy which was what mattered to him: it was organised; you didn't have to think what to do.

[davidgood]

Yesterday afternoon I had the pleasure of buggering three ladies who enjoy it up the bum as much, if not more so, than in other places.

Regards,
davidgood

[Vice Admiral]

On Thursday, with barely a pause,
Mr Good went and buggered three whores.
That's amazing! No shit!
He must be well fit,
Give that man a round of applause.

[WASA38]

 

On Thursday, with barely a pause,
Mr Good went and buggered three whores.
That's amazing! No shit!
He must be well fit,
Give that man a round of applause.

[willie loman]

"bugger bognor" famous last words of george v.

[Bonker]

Yes but bogna, from romania £50 hr, is not on ye AW - account deleted.

And Georgev didn't leave a review.
Hence the ban.

[davidgood]

On Thursday, with barely a pause,
Mr Good went and buggered three whores.
That's amazing! No shit!
He must be well fit,
Give that man a round of applause.

Thank you VA, I didn't know you were a poet.

Actually only one of the girls I played with last week is on AW and does porn shoots.

The other two have their own businesses and attend parties for the sex as much as the money.

Regards
davidgood

[catweazle]

Until the law was changed in 1994, consensual buggery between a man and a woman was a criminal offence, with a recommended "tariff" of three months in prison.

I quote from Hansard, 20 June 1994:
"However, where the sentencer decides that the offence either was or may have been consensual, the current edition of the Encyclopaedia of Sentencing gives advice to judges who have to sentence in those circumstances. It indicates that the proper sentence for consensual buggery between a man and a woman in private is one of an immediate custodial sentence of three months."

Not many people know that.

Sexual  Offences (Amendment) Act 2000 states that buggery between two consenting persons, over the age of 16 in private is no longer an offence.

[akauya]

There are many words that have different connotations and "mood music" for different people.

Some of those who have posted on this thread get a very negative feel from the word "buggery".  I don't.

For example, let's suppose that a man and his girlfriend go for dinner at a restaurant on St Valentine's day and, after a few glasses of champagne, the girl looks her man in the eye and says, "I'd like you to bugger me tonight."

That would be really rather romantic. 

However "I'd like you to sodomise me tonight" would not be at all a romantic thing to say.  (Nor indeed would, "Let's have anal intercourse later on.")

That made me chuckle 

I never associated anal sex with romanticism. Most often than not whenever I had anal sex with girlfriends/etc. it was always more raw, animalistic sex.

[Vice Admiral]

"bugger bognor" famous last words of george v.

Although we all grew up on the “Bugger Bognor!” story, I’m afraid that it is apocryphal.  According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, George V's last words, which the king's doctor recorded in his private journal, were: “God damn you!” 

The official version, however, was that he used his last words to inquire after the state of the Empire.  A somewhat broad inquiry, it might be argued.  ("Don't fret, Your Majesty. The Empire's doing fine.")

And Georgev didn't leave a review.
Hence the ban.

George V was not banned from this site because he didn’t leave a review.  He was banned for casting lubricious aspersions at David Lloyd George and refusing to withdraw them.