Question: how to setup multiple Adultwork accounts and not have them linked

[galinsoga]

My question was inspired by seeing a line in a post by Infoseeker in which he indicated that he had several AW Accounts.

Quote from: infoseeker on August 05, 2014, 03:47:53 pm
I've probably got more adultwork accounts then she has cats, all with enough feedback built up that they'd merit a booking request from the fussiest escort.
With enough IT knowledge and computers to ensure they don't get linked.
With associated punting numbers and punting names too.

I have real reasons for wanting more than one AW account.  First I may leave negative feedback after seeing a girl and, as some will be aware, the girls sometimes retaliate by leaving negative feedback for the punter.  I have rather a good feedback record and I would not like that to be spoiled.  Second - I rather suspect a GF knows my profile name and there will be occasions when I do not want her to see what I have been up to in terms of visiting other places.

I would have thought that AW (and UKPunting) would pick up the IP or other addresses when you register an account and more than one registration per IP or whatever would be frowned on. 

Over to you Infoseeker - answers in English please for an IT pillock

Gali

[Gordo987]

I suppose its not too difficult to set up fake accounts as service providers as well as punters and that they could give each other ratings and positive FRs.

[infoseeker]

Hi galinsoga

Thanks for your query.

My experience and testing is that Adultwork do not currently link by IP alone.

So you just need to use different web browsers for the different accounts you setup and make sure never to forget which account is for which web browser.

eg

Mozilla Firefox - galinsoga
Internet Explorer - liverpoolpuntingexpedition
Google Chrome - superpunterforashortwhileatleast

There is evidence to indicate (from posts that I have read on the forum) that Adultwork used to in the past link account simply based on IP and that would be inconvenient to get around (possible but not worth the effort) but my experience is that they don't do it currently.

If you ever want to check if your accounts have become linked (which is called an "alias" on Adultwork speech) send a message to the inbox of a working girl friend and ask here whether it shows an alias on your account, if it does then there will be a number next to the number for your feedback showing how many aliases you have.

There is a good write up on what aliases look like on the side of escorts on this girls blog (who has in the past been criticised on here a lot for her high prices and prolific blogging including on Christmas day).
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Check her blog entry
Saturday, April 19th 2014
ALIASES & NO ESCORT FEEDBACK - Pandora x
I include a screenshot of the relevant Info for ease of reference in the next post.

[infoseeker]

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Thanks to NewIndependent aka Pandora for that helpful Info. 

[infoseeker]

So it is quite simple overall to setup multiple Adultwork accounts.
The issue is ensuring they don't get linked.

and make sure never to forget which account is for which web browser.

And this bit will be suprisingly hard and you only need to mess up once for all that hard work to go down the drain and get your seperate accounts linked.
As a practical suggestion I suggest you rename the Adultwork link/favourite/bookmark that you have in a given browser to the name of the Adultwork account you use on that browser to act as a reminder prompt.

So in this case I am using Google Chrome only with my Adultwork account superpunterforashortwhileatleast so have renamed my bookmark accordingly.  (Note I don't really use Google Chrome for anything else (on that computer) anyway so that is why it only has an Adultwork link in and nothing else).

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[infoseeker]

Assuming your computer is Windows then you likely have INTERNET EXPLORER installed.

Then you need to download and install other browsers

MOZILLA FIREFOX
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GOOGLE CHROME
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So with those three browsers on one laptop you can have three unlinked Adultwork accounts.
I doubt you need more then three unlinked Adultwork accounts.
BUT
There are other web browsers out there as well and of course you can have more then one laptop, or even just the same laptop but just switch harddrives if you have an easily accessible one which I do (just plug it in and out since I have in unscrewed).

[infoseeker]

I suppose its not too difficult to set up fake accounts as service providers as well as punters and that they could give each other ratings and positive FRs.

The Info provided above just relates to Seeking Services accounts which never interact with one another.
There could be further levels of security employed by Adultwork if two accounts with the same IP interact with one being Seeking Services and another being a Offering Services even if they are from different browsers.

[infoseeker]

Any follow up Queries please let me know.

[JV547845]

They can really only track your IP address which can be changed by off/on ing your router, log the browser string, which you can use multiple browsers or an app for, compare the email address you register each account to, potentially compare PWs (this would be very bad practise) and try to give you a cookie, so use incognito mode / in private browsing. 

[infoseeker]

Had a PM about this.

If you already use one of the three internet browsers above for specific purposes.
Other internet browsers are

OPERA
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SAFARI
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To ensure you do not accidentally mix things up it is probably safer to specifically install a new browser you don't already use just for that specific Adultwork account purposes.

[tantric talents]

They can really only track your IP address which can be changed by off/on ing your router, log the browser string, which you can use multiple browsers or an app for, compare the email address you register each account to, potentially compare PWs (this would be very bad practise) and try to give you a cookie, so use incognito mode / in private browsing.

I use private browsing in Firefox and Safari sometimes but where do you set "incognito mode" ?

[huskyone]

I use private browsing in Firefox and Safari sometimes but where do you set "incognito mode" ?

  It's the Chrome browser wording.. "New Incognito Window"  It's the same as you are used to with Private Window in other browsers already.

[infoseeker]

Personally I would be wary of thinking that Private Browsing / Incognito mode etc would ensure that accounts do not get linked unless you can confirm that by trial.

Also using such features may also diminish your browsing experience somewhat.

[JV547845]

Personally I would be wary of thinking that Private Browsing / Incognito mode etc would ensure that accounts do not get linked unless you can confirm that by trial.

Also using such features may also diminish your browsing experience somewhat.

It just means one session can't be tied to the next via a cookie and if anyone uses your laptop they cna't find AW in your history.  There's no reduction in browsing experience, don't be ridiculous.

[infoseeker]

It just means one session can't be tied to the next via a cookie and if anyone uses your laptop they cna't find AW in your history.  There's no reduction in browsing experience, don't be ridiculous.

I've not used such features and would personally never rely on them for my own online security and privacy, but as a general rule with IT, extra security always comes at the cost of lower functionality and convenience.

which can be changed by off/on ing your router

To my knowledge not every ISP provides a new IP address just by offing and oning the equipment, "don't be ridiculous". 

[JV547845]

To my knowledge not every ISP provides a new IP address just by offing and oning the equipment, "don't be ridiculous". 

It's easy to check by putting ip into google, but seeing as you've never even heard of porn mode browsing I wouldn't rely on anything you say.

[tantric talents]

It depends if your isp supplies a static or dynamically applied IP address, If its static, then rebooting your router will do nothing!

[huskyone]

If people really want to prove that different accounts are all the same person and they are motivated and funded well enough, then they can and they will. A common IP address is one way yes, but there are many, many others too. If you want or need to have different accounts within any kind of setup (I don't) that's absolutely fine, but just because you are using private windows on different browsers and so on and so on, definitely does not guarantee 100% immunity. In the end, it would probably come down to what's being done (or has been done already) with those different accounts that would decide if it then becomes important enough for it to be proven

A famous film quote was "Yes I'm paranoid.... but am I paranoid enough?" This maybe one way to approach multiple accounts within the same setup...

[infoseeker]

It depends if your isp supplies a static or dynamically applied IP address, If its static, then rebooting your router will do nothing!

Thanks tantric talents, with VirginMedia and Cable fibre optic providers generally there is a chance that the IP address will not change
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Back to the core topic though.

OP just wanted another account to avoid getting his original ruined due to a retaliatory negative.
I have similar reasons.

This was just a low level discussion on making sure Adultwork accounts don't get linked, and different browsers I can confirm will do that and that is proven fact, practical fact.

Porn mode / Private Browsing / Incognito will probably do that too but I haven't confirmed that and I don't believe anyone on this thread has confirmed that.  You'd need a wg friend to check a message from you in her inbox.

There is a difference between a Proven and a Theoretical method.

[virgil]

The Info provided above just relates to Seeking Services accounts which never interact with one another.
There could be further levels of security employed by Adultwork if two accounts with the same IP interact with one being Seeking Services and another being a Offering Services even if they are from different browsers.

This interests me most because, possibly like others, occasionally a WG might be without a computer and ask you to change a detail such as her location.

That is one harmless activity that could get you aliased, I think, when you're not actually trying to con anyone.

Obviously a quite different situation with pimps and multiple phantom profiles, sheer scams etc.

[threechilliman]

This interests me most because, possibly like others, occasionally a WG might be without a computer and ask you to change a detail such as her location.

That is one harmless activity that could get you aliased, I think, when you're not actually trying to con anyone.

Obviously a quite different situation with pimps and multiple phantom profiles, sheer scams etc.

I wouldn't let anyone use my account, never mind a WG.

tcm

[infoseeker]

This interests me most because, possibly like others, occasionally a WG might be without a computer and ask you to change a detail such as her location.

Has happened to me in the past after I logged into a WGs Adultwork account for her (she even told me the password!) on my computer using the same browser that I use for my at that time sole Adultwork account.  She wanted to upload pics that we took when she came to my place for an outcall (pics did not include me in!).
To make it worse her account had aliases some of them with negatives so I was also linked to them as well as hers ruining my account.
It was because of that I ended up trying to work out how accounts get linked and setting up alternative ones.

Her alias dropped off after 6 months.

I wouldn't let anyone use my account, never mind a WG.

As in my example I think virgil is referring to a WG logging into her own account but using his computer and/or internet connection.

Lesson from my experience is don't let WG use your computer it will be better for her and for you.

[clarryblue]

new user...but

websites generally track visitors and therefore multiple accounts if they want to by the use of potentially three things :-

1) Ip address
2) Cookies
3) what are known as flash cookies...

they may use some or all of those...I suspect from the content of the thread so far that AW use number 2) alone...

most Ip's can be changed by turning your router off for a minute then turning back on...if your provider has a static IP then use a broadband dongle instead...check your new IP has changed via numerous free IP checking sites.

cookies / flash cookies can be TOTALLY removed by various programs, search google for ccleaner for example

If you are 100% convinced that AW doesn't log IP's then you can alleviate the need for seperate laptops by having seperate windows user accounts on the same computer.........and seperate browsers via each account

[OldAdmin]

This thread is missing something crucial - that is phone number.
If two accounts submit escort bookings with the same number, both become aliases.
At least that was the case back in 2008 when I tested their alias system thoroughly.

[OldAdmin]

cookies / flash cookies can be TOTALLY removed by various programs, search google for ccleaner for example

They can also be removed by the browser. If you clear your cookies in recent Firefox/Chrome browsers then they will also delete flash cookies (proper name is LSO).

[galinsoga]

Thanks guys.

The amount of USEFUL info in this thread is amazing.  Being non-techy I have some trouble getting my head around all the detail - but I am learning fast.

Thanks again

Gali

[tantric talents]

Has happened to me in the past after I logged into a WGs Adultwork account for her (she even told me the password!) on my computer using the same browser that I use for my at that time sole Adultwork account.  She wanted to upload pics that we took when she came to my place for an outcall (pics did not include me in!).
To make it worse her account had aliases some of them with negatives so I was also linked to them as well as hers ruining my account.
It was because of that I ended up trying to work out how accounts get linked and setting up alternative ones.

Her alias dropped off after 6 months.

As in my example I think virgil is referring to a WG logging into her own account but using his computer and/or internet connection.

Lesson from my experience is don't let WG use your computer it will be better for her and for you.

This happened to me too and I ended up with Red Aliases on AW without knowing wtf they were or how to get rid of them!

[infoseeker]

This thread is missing something crucial - that is phone number.
If two accounts submit escort bookings with the same number, both become aliases.
At least that was the case back in 2008 when I tested their alias system thoroughly.

I use different numbers on mine, I have a lot of numbers, so wouldn't have noticed about this.

But from my chatting to a wg I know she was unable to use the old number for a new Offering Services profile after the old was closed so if Adultwork systems still match numbers for Offering Services it is very likely they still do for Seeking Services accounts.

If I get the chance I will report back on this on this thread after conducting a test, half the difficulty is getting a reliable truthful wg to tell me whether she sees aliases on the other side.

In the interim galinsoga I suggest you use a different number for the new account.

But I do know of a work around for this which in all likelyhood will allow you to in practice use the same number but I won't post on here since it might lead to loophole closure, any forum posters on here, who wants to know are welcome to PM me.  I haven't tested it yet but knowing how their matching systems work I am quite sure it would work.

[infoseeker]

It just means one session can't be tied to the next via a cookie and if anyone uses your laptop they cna't find AW in your history.  There's no reduction in browsing experience, don't be ridiculous.

A problem with cleaning your browser history and using Porn mode / Private Browsing / Incognito is that it does lead to a reduction in browing experience.

On a low level you can't rely on Auto Complete and password to be remembered which can be annoying.

On a higher level you can't rely on searching within your history for girls profiles.
The reality is the practical challenge on Adultwork is sifting through all the girls profiles to find the ones suitable for you,

I never clean my browser history for the browsers that I use on Adultwork and if I ever lost browser history it would be pain.
I often search within my browser history for profiles and without being able to do that my browsing experience would be diminished.

As mentioned the general point applies with IT, extra security always comes at the cost of lower functionality and convenience.

[infoseeker]

Thanks guys.

The amount of USEFUL info in this thread is amazing.  Being non-techy I have some trouble getting my head around all the detail - but I am learning fast.

galinsoga this point applies specifically to you but could generally to others as well.

When you register an adultwork account it asks for your Date of Birth.

This remains within the system and is available Info to Offering Services when you submit a booking (at least age is), so since you age of being in your 70s is quite rare in punting it will make you quite distinctive, for others with more common ages it is much less of an issue.

The simple solution is to translate your age into working girl years and you'll be good to go.

[galinsoga]

Info

Excellent advice as always
Be assured I do "adjust" my age on AW

Gali

[infoseeker]

This thread is missing something crucial - that is phone number.
If two accounts submit escort bookings with the same number, both become aliases.
At least that was the case back in 2008 when I tested their alias system thoroughly.

If I get the chance I will report back on this on this thread after conducting a test, half the difficulty is getting a reliable truthful wg to tell me whether she sees aliases on the other side.

According to my latest testing in this last month using the same telephone number when making a booking at present doesn't lead to the seperate accounts becoming aliased.
THOUGH
Since Adultwork have done that before (2008 based on Admin testing see quote above) I'd think they could so again at any time so I'd still highly recommend using different numbers for your different Adultwork accounts as a precaution, though if it was only a one off based on my testing you should be fine in the short term.

Aliasing accounts due to the same telephone numbers does make a lot of sense and would not be expected to lead to too many false positives.
BUT
I doubt that they'd alias accounts due to the same IP again (assuming that they have done it in the past) since that could lead to a huge amount of false positives, like for example with shared internet connections at hotels which Pro$$ies must often use.

[Qwerty]

When you register an adultwork account it asks for your Date of Birth.

I can't remember entering a DOB when I first registered, and the field on my profile is blank. Is there a way of checking if AW has one on their file?

I'm 'an age' but don't look it, so can get away with telling SPs I'm younger. But if they see something on my profile, that might explain why sometimes I get no reply to a friendly enquiry.

BTW likewise thanks to everyone for the extremely useful info.

[infoseeker]

If you click on Register for a new account currently it does ask for DOB maybe it didn't in the past.

As to where to find it within your existing account check the screenshots below, click on thumbnail for a larger view.

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[Qwerty]

Yes mine is blank - but in view of previous posts was wondering if I might have entered something when first registering (years ago now), that WGs can still see...

[infoseeker]

My take on it is that if it is blank they see nothing.
In that example above I have blanked it out from the JPEG there was something there.

If you want to be sure and knowing how databases work the best policy would be to stick some date in there using working girl years (ie what suits you) and that will then make it more likely any (possible but unlikely) old redundant entry which gives your age away is overwritten.

[radrats]

I have never thought about this before as i have only ever had one AW account but could you end up with an alias if you your iphone in a public wifi area.

And also if at home using you laptop you could quite easily just use a VPN

[infoseeker]

...could you end up with an alias if you your iphone in a public wifi area.

According to the Info on this thread aliases are not added just due to having the same IP at present, they may have been in the past and they may again in future (unlikely in my opinion).

[mcb]

I think it’s a bit hypocritical seeing punters moan about WGs having multiple profiles when asking how to do the same trick themselves.

Don’t leave negative reviews and you won’t receive any back. And if WGs refuse appointments with you because they know your name, you might want to reconsider how you act on punts.

[infoseeker]

Don’t leave negative reviews and you won’t receive any back.

And what if the wg has deserved a negative review.

I have a more broad ranging "solution".... do what mcb does, just don't review at all, stick to making self-righteous fluffy comments on threads which you have no interest. 

[Sedlmayer]

I think it’s a bit hypocritical seeing punters moan about WGs having multiple profiles when asking how to do the same trick themselves.
Who cares what you think? This forum is about putting the punter first - if you don't like it, there's always PN

Don’t leave negative reviews and you won’t receive any back. And if WGs refuse appointments with you because they know your name, you might want to reconsider how you act on punts.
Disgraceful advice - it is vital that there is a free exchange of information. Negative reviews are, in some ways, even more important than Positives.

[JV547845]

I think it’s a bit hypocritical seeing punters moan about WGs having multiple profiles when asking how to do the same trick themselves.

Show me an example of one specific individual punter who's both moaned about WGs having multiple profiles and asked to do it themselves, or stop making stupid generalisations.

[Daffodil]

I think it’s a bit hypocritical seeing punters moan about WGs having multiple profiles when asking how to do the same trick themselves.

As JV points out, can you show an example? Do you know what the word hypocritical means?

Don’t leave negative reviews and you won’t receive any back. And if WGs refuse appointments with you because they know your name, you might want to reconsider how you act on punts.

You are fucking stupid. What if she deserves a negative? It's punters like you (if you are one  ) who undermine the whole feedback system.

You are a fluffy twat in my view. Suggesting prossies won't see a punter in future because it's how the punter behaved? A prossie apologiser. I think you'd be happier on prossienet. 

[infoseeker]

half the difficulty is getting a reliable truthful wg to tell me whether she sees aliases on the other side.

A wg gave me a free run to dig around her Adultwork.
Thanks to that wg. 


As far as I could see the only Info of note that Service Providers see for the basic profile that Service Seekers set up is age
Some Service Seekers add extra info to their profile but age is the only one that is mandatory.

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As regards linking profiles by telephone numbers used when booking are entered as mentioned above my testing in the last two months indicates it is no longer done but I noticed the below which was interesting.
That is the Client Number Lookup feature.

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Numbers are dragged and dropped from the booking and after a search it feedbacks if there are any Notes related to that number, I got no hits or Info for numbers that I had used as part of my testing across profiles.

[JV547845]

Good work, interesting stuff.  Thanks to this lady too.  Was she verified on AW?

[infoseeker]

Was she verified on AW?

Yes.
I think you will know but for the benefit of others only Verified Service Providers on Adultwork can use the Notes system though all see aliases.
The second point I made about the Client Number Lookup is perhaps only for the use of Verified Service Providers.

[Wowgeek]

As far as I could see the only Info of note that Service Providers see for the basic profile that Service Seekers set up is age
Some Service Seekers add extra info to their profile but age is the only one that is mandatory

Mainly right, but age is not mandatory

[infoseeker]

Mainly right, but age is not mandatory

DOB is, naturally age comes from that.

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Please could you check your "Facts" before posting them especially easily testable ones like this!
All Facts I have posted on this thread I have checked/tested them including the not so easily testable ones.

Also noteworthy is that when you submit a booking you will have to enter a forename and surname so don't enter your real one since the wg receives that... unless you want her to have it. 

Based on what Admin has posted above in regards to testing in 2008 a point to bear in mind is that their system and process is subject to change.... so far since 2008 it just seems they have relaxed their systems perhaps they could tighten it again in future.

[Wowgeek]

DOB is, naturally age comes from that.

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Please could you check your "Facts" before posting them especially easily testable ones like this!
All Facts I have posted on this thread I have checked/tested them including the not so easily testable ones.

All my facts are right, I wouldn't post them if they weren't. I have had a seeking services profile on AW for over 10 years. It does not show my date of birth, if I could paste a screen shot from my iPad I would show you. If you look at my profile from a service provider's one the age box says 'not specified'

Maybe things are different for new users but the fact remains, not every profile shows an age/dob. Not looking to argue, just like to be accurate 

[infoseeker]

Hi Wowgeek,

Thanks for your considered input (this time).....

Mainly right, but age is not mandatory

.... since I don't tend to consider 7 word posts on a technical thread much of an effort as a Geek hopefully you will appreciate that. 

Maybe things are different for new users......

There are no "maybes" about it since I have already shown that beyond reasonable doubt!
Currently DOB on new accounts is mandatory as shown in the screenshots and which anyone can easily check.
Also some further Info if after registering you try and blank it out, it reverts to 01/01/1900 setting age as 114.
Obviously this isn't an issue since you can stick any DOB in there BUT the wg will see an age and that is the point I made.


For anyone with a legacy account like yours maybe it isn't an issue this was touched upon in Replies 32 to 35 above.

Now if you could do what I did and
- Co-opt a wg to let you dig around her account
- Post screenshots showing what you saw
Then perhaps you can verify your claim.....

If you look at my profile from a service provider's one the age box says 'not specified'

..... maybe