The pound is crashing - WGs leaving

[thundercrackerxx]

My God you really do not have a clue.

I have sold a few cars to Brazilian guys, one a chef who gave it up, another with a 4 day full time job, some doing food delivery full time, every one enjoys the job, and pay is far better than most think.

I have 2 very good friends, truck drivers, who decided to work refuse collection because the hours are so good and the perks are brilliant.

No other job can compare to selling your body to strangers out of desperation, you doing so is wrong on every level, as is hoping that women are put in the situation of doing so, but you are willing to take advantage of them, would you be happy if your daughter was in that situation?

Go on, tell us you would encourage her, tell her it is just a job.

Calm yourself. I assume you do lots of research into every escort you see to make sure she is really happy and living a perfect life and only working as an escort because she loves the work? I think you're  living in a bit of a dream world if you think every escort you see is loving her work and every moment with you.
Do you boycott any business that doesn't ensure that all their workers are super happy with their job and enjoying every minute because it would be just dreadful to give business to a company that employs people who are desperate for money and don't enjoy their work.
There are lots of things I wouldn't like the thought of a daughter doing. But ultimately anything would be her choice depending on the situation she finds herself in in life. Just like for all of us and the decisions we have to make.
At least the escorts are making £120+ an hour over the poor woman stuck on a till at Aldi for £10 an hour. The escort could work one hour a day and have all the rest of the day to herself to enjoy while poor check out girl is sat there for ten hours, barely seeing daylight. I'd rather do a job I don't enjoy for one hour a day than ten.

[thundercrackerxx]

Can't believe how much over analysis went into my comment. It's not like I want some girl crying into my lap as she's sucking my cock. I just accept the reality that girls get into escorting as many of us get into unenjoyable and boring jobs because we need the money!

[Marmalade]

Stop being over sensitive
Go to your local pub and have a nice cold beer..
Relax

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[Home Alone]

I’m not the only one then! 

No indeed, tt. The problem comes with those who quote him. His - usually objectionable - posts are then quoted in full. 

[southcoastpunter]

Can't believe how much over analysis went into my comment. It's not like I want some girl crying into my lap as she's sucking my cock. I just accept the reality that girls get into escorting as many of us get into unenjoyable and boring jobs because we need the money!

that is, as far as i am concerned, fine. its Reality. But your post gave the impression that you were glad that some ladies got desperate for money because then some would have to become escorts to survive thus increasing the number available etc. That, if that is really what you meant, is rather different. So far you haven't come out and said "no that is not what i meant"

[thundercrackerxx]

So what level of needing money is acceptable for them to become escorts and for me to see them? As I'm pretty sure most of them are doing it because they need the money and not as a fun little hobby that fills their lives with joy.
Is it ok to see an escort who took up the job because they need the money badly, but not quite desperately? What level of financial hardship and need for money is acceptable and what level becomes too far? Do I need to ask them how much money they have in their bank account so I can judge exactly how much they need the money and then make my moral judgement on if it's acceptable for me to pay for their services? Though the more desperate they are for money, the more important it would be that I pay for their services as otherwise they may not be able to afford to feed themselves or heat their home that week. Now I am in even more of a moral conundrum.
A lot of girls took up onlyfans during lockdown when unable to work and now the economy is taking a nose dive because they really needed the money. Is it immoral to pay to subscribe to them if they aren't doing it just for fun?
I used to just rock up at an escorts place of business, pay my money and enjoy the services offered. I didn't realise everyone else put so much thought and analysis into it.

[Marmalade]

Good. Most of these girls from abroad are awful. Out dated pictures, poor attitude. This will hopefully clean out the trash.

Although there are exceptions and yes, Poles offering a lower rate (to start with) did change the landscape a bit; but in Scotland at least the thing that I suspect made the biggest difference was a wave of police harassment.

That put off many British women including students, most of whom gave an excellent service: but it opened up the market for desperados from abroad, the organised Romanian input especially -- and although there are exceptions, most were indeed trashy. So much so, that 'Romanian' become a euphemism for piss-poor punt. The Romanian 'traffickers' -- which included those facilitating mostly willing Romanians, some of them on repeat visits -- were not deterred by police attitudes whereas for students and housewives needing a few extra quid it was too much of a deterrent. So the police attitude acually achieved the opposite of what it set out to do.

The excerpt below is from: House of Commons Home Affairs Committee Prostitution Third Report of Session 2016–17

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“Government priorities and policies on prostitution
8. We commend the police service for its focus on protecting sex workers, and for seeking to gain their assistance in targeting those who exploit them or commit other crimes. However, there is considerable variation in the policing approach to prostitution throughout the country, not all of which is consistent with national policy, as the National Police Chiefs' Council lead for prostitution and sex work, Assistant Chief Constable Nikki Holland, indicated to us. Moreover, police forces often have to choose whether to enforce offences for soliciting or brothel-keeping in order to reduce negative impacts on the local community, or to focus on building up the confidence and cooperation of sex workers in order to protect them from crime, and to help identify and convict criminals. While it is right that communities choose their policing priorities, it is not right that the police have to choose which laws to enforce and which to overlook. (Paragraph 57)

“9. We are very concerned that, despite there being no clear evidence that it reduces demand for prostitution, the current practice of treating soliciting as an offence is having an adverse impact, in terms of preventing sex workers from seeking help to exit prostitution, exposing them to abuse and Violence, and damaging other areas of their lives, such as access to health and Welfare benefits. Having a criminal record for prostitution-related offences also often creates an unsurmountable barrier for sex workers wishing to exit prostitution and to move into regular work. It is wrong that sex workers, who are predominantly women, should be criminalised, and therefore stigmatised and penalised, in this way. The current law on brothel-keeping also means that some sex workers are often too afraid of prosecution to work together at the same premises and as a result often compromise their safety and put themselves at considerable risk by working alone. (Paragraph 58)

“10. We therefore recommend that, at the earliest opportunity, the Home Office change existing legislation so that soliciting is no longer an offence and so that brothel- keeping provisions allow sex workers to share premises, without losing the ability to prosecute those who use brothels to control or exploit sex workers. There must be zero tolerance of the organised criminal exploitation of sex workers. The Home Office should also legislate for the deletion of previous convictions and cautions for prostitution from the record of sex workers by amending the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. In our final report, we will consider the purposes of the law on prostitution and what the research shows about how those purposes can best be fulfilled, including whether a different approach should be taken to on-street and off-street prostitution. (Paragraph 59)”
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I would suggest that when "police forces often have to choose whether to enforce offences for soliciting or brothel-keeping in order to reduce negative impacts on the local community" that although that might apply to SWs, the 'negative impacts' are often overstated; and in the case of brothels, at least in Edinburgh, the local community was very largely on the side of supporting the (very low-key, unobtrusive) brothels and against the police harassments. The police tactic of informing neighbours that sex workers were using a flat in a particulart stair for instance acturtally produced the negative impact (that wasn't there before).


The government report did not recommend any changes to the law including the silly and dangerous ‘sex buyers’ law favoured by abolitionists. After examining the various suggestions they did not find enough evidence to recommend any of them. Local authorities would do well to take note.

[Marmalade]

that is, as far as i am concerned, fine. its Reality. But your post gave the impression that you were glad that some ladies got desperate for money because then some would have to become escorts to survive thus increasing the number available etc. That, if that is really what you meant, is rather different. So far you haven't come out and said "no that is not what i meant"

But what you are saying afterwards is about impressions. It's thought police stuff. It resulted from casual reading, like  a glance at the DM  picture of the bar with misleading bar-stools. When we read it more critically, it's not what was there.

I'm not attacking you: it's human nature. It's easy to form impression, not always the most accurate ones. And of course, you may have an opinion about what he meant even if he corrects you. But I also think it might be appropriate to back off from the language. Almost calling someone a Nazi for what you thought they meant, or the impression you had (but I didn't) is a bit over the top. Let's just let it rest eh? and put our heads together for productive discussion. This is a unique forum. We can exchange both information and different ideas. No need to jump down each other's throats.

[daviemac]

So what level of needing money is acceptable for them to become escorts and for me to see them? As I'm pretty sure most of them are doing it because they need the money and not as a fun little hobby that fills their lives with joy.
Is it ok to see an escort who took up the job because they need the money badly, but not quite desperately? What level of financial hardship and need for money is acceptable and what level becomes too far? Do I need to ask them how much money they have in their bank account so I can judge exactly how much they need the money and then make my moral judgement on if it's acceptable for me to pay for their services? Though the more desperate they are for money, the more important it would be that I pay for their services as otherwise they may not be able to afford to feed themselves or heat their home that week. Now I am in even more of a moral conundrum.
A lot of girls took up onlyfans during lockdown when unable to work and now the economy is taking a nose dive because they really needed the money. Is it immoral to pay to subscribe to them if they aren't doing it just for fun?
I used to just rock up at an escorts place of business, pay my money and enjoy the services offered. I didn't realise everyone else put so much thought and analysis into it.

If I were you I'd give it up, the more you post the worse you come across. In my opinion you have a diabolical attituded.

The issue I have is with your first post. -

Good. Most of these girls from abroad are awful. Out dated pictures, poor attitude. This will hopefully clean out the trash. May make UK girls a bit more desperate for cash so they'll take up escorting.

You want to get rid on the ones you class as trash then hope more English girls turn to prostitution out of desperation so you can take advantage of them.   

Apart from anything else I wouldn't wish desperation on anyone.

[Marmalade]

Davie, there's sincerely held conflicting opinions on this that aren't going anywhere except producing discord.

My personal opinion is that the only point where he hopes anything is the middle sentence.
I'm not quite clear what it is that will "clean out the trash" so I am not sure that his hope is well-founded.

The first sentence is an observation, which many will agree with, some won't. It's no worse than someone saying "Romanian WGs are rubbish".

The third sentence seems to be an observation of likelihood over the predicted economic environment. It's a common one. Many people will become desperate. Some will use food banks, some will become WGs. There's many other reasons women become WGs but that is probably one of them since time immemorial.

My interpretation obviously differs from yours. Maybe as I have a very analytic approach. If you are objecting as a mod, you are entitled to give him a ban or lock the thread. Your opinion has to be respected, even if someone else finds it irrational. In this case, it could also be justified by the fact that more people agree with your interpretation than don't. While I am apparently one that doesn't, I still think the mod's decision is more important than my opinion on here.

[Marmalade]

Going over the posts, here's another way of looking at it.

A woman is desperate to maintain or improve her standard of living. She is put off by the number of foreign p4ps who give the industry a bad name. If the EEs stopped coming, she feel that bit more 'desperate' as she is free to do it but with less stigma. What she does and why she does it is none of my business. I hope women are not pushed into prostitution through desperation.
But EEs leaving is hardly something that makes people 'desperate'.

I think that's how I connected it logically to the economic discussion earlier in the thread. e.g.:

if the pound tanks compared to the euro, that will make the UK a less attractive place to come and work compared to say Germany.  So girls would be less likely to come here in the first place, or return here after a stint back home.

[daviemac]

Can I just clarify my posts on this thread are my own personal opinions and are posted as a member not as a mod.

[king tarzan]

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[Moby Dick]

Can I just clarify my posts on this thread are my own personal opinions and are posted as a member not as a mod.

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[thundercrackerxx]

If I were you I'd give it up, the more you post the worse you come across. In my opinion you have a diabolical attituded.

The issue I have is with your first post. - You want to get rid on the ones you class as trash then hope more English girls turn to prostitution out of desperation so you can take advantage of them.   

Apart from anything else I wouldn't wish desperation on anyone.

So it's upset you that I hope the economy may clean out the trash (terrible service EEs)
You also don't like that I stated that the economy may make more UK girls take up escorting as they need the cash more (mustn't use the word desperate)
My questioning your moral reasoning on what level of financial need is moral for punting/escorting makes me diabolical?

I don't like being dictated on how I can phrase things by pedantics and I find moralizing others on a forum about paying women to suck our cocks and fuck us (many whilst married) silly.

[king tarzan]

So it's upset you that I hope the economy may clean out the trash (terrible service EEs)
You also don't like that I stated that the economy may make more UK girls take up escorting as they need the cash more (mustn't use the word desperate)
My questioning your moral reasoning on what level of financial need is moral for punting/escorting makes me diabolical?

I don't like being dictated on how I can phrase things by pedantics and I find moralizing others on a forum about paying women to suck our cocks and fuck us (many whilst married) silly.

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[daviemac]

So it's upset you that I hope the economy may clean out the trash (terrible service EEs)
You also don't like that I stated that the economy may make more UK girls take up escorting as they need the cash more (mustn't use the word desperate)
My questioning your moral reasoning on what level of financial need is moral for punting/escorting makes me diabolical?

I don't like being dictated on how I can phrase things by pedantics and I find moralizing others on a forum about paying women to suck our cocks and fuck us (many whilst married) silly.

I don't know who is dictating to you but it certainly isn't me, I gave an opinion on what I would do if I were in your shoes.

The reason I think you have a diabolical attitude has already been explained and there's nothing you can say that will change that opinion.

BTW to be really pedantic the term is pedants not 'pedantics' 

[estats]

it wasn't that at all that i (and, i think,) a few others were commenting on. It was thundercrackersxx's comment that he was GLAD some women would become desperate as then more would have to become escorts to survive. (at least that it was how it read to me) .

If this comment was made, and I think there is some question if how the comment has been interpreted is accurate, I or others may not find it a moral one, but as we have already covered, going down the morality wormhole is so subjective.

Consider this, what I actually find immoral is the inequality that means people will have financial difficulties from entirely preventable stuff. And actually the real immoral position is people saying it is OK for people to be desperate working on a checkout, but if sex work gave the better solution to someone removing themselves from financial hardship and it was done within the law, well they wouldn't agree with that on moral grounds, even though it was the better solution.

This is exactly the sort of illogical thinking that causes hardship in the first place. Consider, we intervene in giving people money for energy bills, so many run around thinking great, free money, a "moral" intervention. However, the reality is this pushes inflation ever higher over the medium term and the savings made in energy are then made ineffective by the consequences of that intervention in pushing interest rates higher. A "moral" intervention has created a worse problem.

I only demonstrate this point to give example, enforcing a "moral" view doesn't mean you give a better solution. Morality isn't even a matter of "law" and the concept of morality often shifts with the times, so I often believe it is best avoided.