Haywards Heath goes vegan

[King Nuts]

If you want an example of how a once-respectable media outlet has descended into activism, propaganda, and peak virtue signalling, look no further: External Link/Members Only

The town 'has committed to veganism'. No, it hasn't. The council has. Are there are no more potholes to fix, no more homeless people to look after, and are all the public lavs and clocks working?

'A pioneering step in the fight against climate crisis'? Lordy, where does one begin.

'Experts agree that...animal agriculture causes climate change'. Whenever I see a sentence that makes some grand claim and that starts with 'experts agree', I know it's activism masquerading as news.

'As a vegan journalist...' Oh OK, so this IS a bit of activism then.

It goes on and on.

I really liked the Independent when it started out in 1986. it was a proper newspaper. Didn't treat its readers like cunts. And now look at it.

[chrishornx]

Moan moan moan

[Liverpool]

If you want an example of how a once-respectable media outlet has descended into activism, propaganda, and peak virtue signalling, look no further: External Link/Members Only

The town 'has committed to veganism'. No, it hasn't. The council has. Are there are no more potholes to fix, no more homeless people to look after, and are all the public lavs and clocks working?

'A pioneering step in the fight against climate crisis'? Lordy, where does one begin.

'Experts agree that...animal agriculture causes climate change'. Whenever I see a sentence that makes some grand claim and that starts with 'experts agree', I know it's activism masquerading as news.

'As a vegan journalist...' Oh OK, so this IS a bit of activism then.

It goes on and on.

I really liked the Independent when it started out in 1986. it was a proper newspaper. Didn't treat its readers like cunts. And now look at it.

Seeing as you're such an expert on climate change perhaps you can enlighten us where the article has gone wrong?

If you don't like the article/newspaper why are you still reading it? (Ironically you could say the same about me reading your tedious posts on a punting forum that you don't contribute to. Over 3 years ago for anything punting related. Over 7 years since you last reviewed).

[JontyR]

If you want an example of how a once-respectable media outlet has descended into activism, propaganda, and peak virtue signalling, look no further: External Link/Members Only

Hang on, I've got my King Nuts translation book here....ah yes..."virtue signalling" that means "media coverage of positive social activity"

The town 'has committed to veganism'. No, it hasn't. The council has. Are there are no more potholes to fix, no more homeless people to look after, and are all the public lavs and clocks working?

I'll let Mods quote the site rules to you.

Whenever I see a sentence that makes some grand claim and that starts with 'experts agree', I know it's activism masquerading as news.

You complain that the article goes on and on and yet you object to "experts agree", which is clearly shorthand that there is evidence and research that has been analysed and scrutinised and can be freely accessed.

Whereas your statements have no evidence to back up what you say. Or as we had yesterday quoting someone who is either you or one of your mates on twitter.

I really liked the Independent when it started out in 1986. it was a proper newspaper. Didn't treat its readers like cunts. And now look at it.

Are you being treated like a cunt? Awwww....poor little snowflake. Did the nasty newspaper print something you didn't like? Did it make you think or consider a different view? Did it try and provide you with information about things going on in the world or tell you what other people might be doing that may be different to you?

Maybe you could take the advice of so many who frequent your normal echo chambers..."If you don't like it here, go and live somewhere else." I reckon Orban's Hungary may be a good fit.

[mr.bluesky]

I've got no idea where this place is , never likely that I'm  going to visit it so it's totally irrelevant to me. 

[King Nuts]

Moan moan moan

Might have know you'd be first out of the traps with some sort of asinine comment.

I know how much you and my other acolyte, Jonty, like to trail me around the forum, nitpicking and whinging as you go. At least he makes some sort of effort, even though it's guaranteed to be wide of the mark, but neither of you ever come close to actually landing a decent punch.

Need to do better.

2/10.

See me.

[King Nuts]

If you don't like the article/newspaper why are you still reading it? (Ironically you could say the same about me reading your tedious posts on a punting forum that you don't contribute to. Over 3 years ago for anything punting related. Over 7 years since you last reviewed).

That old chestnut. Again. We're in 'off topic', the clue being at the top of the page.

Yawn.


OK, I'll fess up. I lost my penis in a bizarre gardening accident. There you go. No more punting.

[Liverpool]

That old chestnut. Again. We're in 'off topic', the clue being at the top of the page.

Yawn.

That old chestnut. Again. This is a punting forum, the clue being in the rules at the bottom of the page.

Yawn.

[JontyR]

I lost my penis

This is the first thing you've said in a long time that I can truly believe.

[King Nuts]

Hang on, I've got my King Nuts translation book here....ah yes..."virtue signalling" that means "media coverage of positive social activity"

I'll let Mods quote the site rules to you.

You complain that the article goes on and on and yet you object to "experts agree", which is clearly shorthand that there is evidence and research that has been analysed and scrutinised and can be freely accessed.

Whereas your statements have no evidence to back up what you say. Or as we had yesterday quoting someone who is either you or one of your mates on twitter.
Are you being treated like a cunt? Awwww....poor little snowflake. Did the nasty newspaper print something you didn't like? Did it make you think or consider a different view? Did it try and provide you with information about things going on in the world or tell you what other people might be doing that may be different to you?

Maybe you could take the advice of so many who frequent your normal echo chambers..."If you don't like it here, go and live somewhere else." I reckon Orban's Hungary may be a good fit.

Your devotion to analysing my posts, researching some of which I made years ago, and coming up with detailed though petulantly combative responses, is, in some ways, laudable.

If I actually gave a rat's, I'd be flattered to think I have so much influence.

But your responses are neither amusing nor enlightening. Try and aim for at least one of those. You'll feel better for it and this place'll be less like a school playground.

[Liverpool]

If I actually gave a rat's,

And yet you're taking the time to respond to us 

[JontyR]

Your devotion to analysing my posts, researching some of which I made years ago, and coming up with detailed though petulantly combative responses, is, in some ways, laudable.

If I actually gave a rat's, I'd be flattered to think I have so much influence.

But your responses are neither amusing nor enlightening. Try and aim for at least one of those. You'll feel better for it and this place'll be less like a school playground.

Awwww... look at you, trying to be superior and patronising. Isn't that what annoys you about the woke?

Awwww... look at you suggesting others play the man and not the ball and yet you never back up anything with any evidence or facts. There's an occasional straw man, the odd bit of deflection, snide retorts but nothing that progresses a debate.

Influence...don't underestimate yourself. You are proving very useful. Now the biggotted and ill-informed know that they won't get a free pass on their bollocks. Others who may feel a little intimadated by the bombast may feel more empowered to challenge.

As I detailed before, whilst your indirect influence may be higher than you think, you shouldn't flatter yourself as to attracting any special attention. It's just that you spout more bollocks and you seem to revel in attracting attention to yourself. 

I feel just fine thank you, your critique is accepted, but I know plenty welcome my contributions on the main boards as well as this little side show.

And as for a school playground? Yo Mamma....

[Blackpool Rock]

Might have know you'd be first out of the traps with some sort of asinine comment.

I know how much you and my other acolyte, Jonty, like to trail me around the forum, nitpicking and whinging as you go. At least he makes some sort of effort, even though it's guaranteed to be wide of the mark, but neither of you ever come close to actually landing a decent punch.

Need to do better.

2/10.

See me.

Yeah sorry I was out getting some exercise on my bike  The fact that i was cycling will probably also offend you 

Anyway do you ever wish that you hadn't started a thread   

[David1970]

If you want an example of how a once-respectable media outlet has descended into activism, propaganda, and peak virtue signalling, look no further: External Link/Members Only

The town 'has committed to veganism'. No, it hasn't. The council has. Are there are no more potholes to fix, no more homeless people to look after, and are all the public lavs and clocks working?

'A pioneering step in the fight against climate crisis'? Lordy, where does one begin.

'Experts agree that...animal agriculture causes climate change'. Whenever I see a sentence that makes some grand claim and that starts with 'experts agree', I know it's activism masquerading as news.

'As a vegan journalist...' Oh OK, so this IS a bit of activism then.

It goes on and on.

I really liked the Independent when it started out in 1986. it was a proper newspaper. Didn't treat its readers like cunts. And now look at it.

So King Nut you would rather the newspaper didn’t publish this story because you don’t like it.
I think that is the definition of horrible phrase “cancel culture”

[Bigwilts]

What are the escort and/or massage services like in Haywards Heath?

That may be more topical than ranting that a council is encouraging people to reduce food waste and possibly try some vegan

[David1970]

What are the escort and/or massage services like in Haywards Heath?

That may be more topical than ranting that a council is encouraging people to reduce food waste and possibly try some vegan

Your hopeful if you expect punting information from King Nut, he hasn’t done a review for over 7 years.

[scutty brown]

If you want an example of how a once-respectable media outlet has descended into activism, propaganda, and peak virtue signalling, look no further: External Link/Members Only

The town 'has committed to veganism'. No, it hasn't. The council has. Are there are no more potholes to fix, no more homeless people to look after, and are all the public lavs and clocks working?

'A pioneering step in the fight against climate crisis'? Lordy, where does one begin.

'Experts agree that...animal agriculture causes climate change'. Whenever I see a sentence that makes some grand claim and that starts with 'experts agree', I know it's activism masquerading as news.

'As a vegan journalist...' Oh OK, so this IS a bit of activism then.

It goes on and on.

I really liked the Independent when it started out in 1986. it was a proper newspaper. Didn't treat its readers like cunts. And now look at it.

Actually...........the Independent has always run this kind of scientific campaigning story. When it started up it picked up a number of journalists from "New Scientist" and ever since the two publications have shared scientific, technology and environmental reports and sources.
In this particular report in a general way the report is valid, but overlooks the fact that a large proportion of UK cattle and sheep production is on hill farms unsuitable for other forms of food production. Nothing wrong with meat production as long as it is restricted to those areas.

Back to the Independent: It stopped being a proper newspaper when it changed hands and ended it's rule of not reporting anything related to the Royal Family.
Since then of course it's become Kremlin controlled  under the ownership of Lebedev, which means you have to question the political motive for running the story

[scutty brown]

Your devotion to analysing my posts, researching some of which I made years ago, and coming up with detailed though petulantly combative responses, is, in some ways, laudable.

If I actually gave a rat's, I'd be flattered to think I have so much influence.

But your responses are neither amusing nor enlightening. Try and aim for at least one of those. You'll feel better for it and this place'll be less like a school playground.

You're fucking nuts

[King Nuts]

Your hopeful if you expect punting information from King Nut, he hasn’t done a review for over 7 years.

It's been even longer since there's been a coherent sentence in any of your posts.

[Liverpool]

It's been even longer, and possibly never, that there's been a coherent sentence in any of your posts.

At least he doesn't contravene rule 1 and 27.

1 Site ethos/mission
This Forum puts the interests of Punters first through the sharing of Reviews. The Forum does not endorse or promote any service provider or any other site. This site is totally independent. No favouritism, no special treatment, no vested interests and no pandering to service providers. Members are expected to post Reviews, although there is no formal quota (see rule 27). General chat relating to Punting is allowed on the appropriate Board.

27 Lurking / Dormant Accounts
Members that do not contribute Reviews or where their accounts become dormant may have their membership revoked.

[tynetunnel]

It does appear to be an awfully long time since King Nuts added a review. Too busy starting new threads in Off Topic to punt,  I expect 

[chrishornx]

Might have know you'd be first out of the traps with some sort of asinine comment.

not long before other followed   - gosh you are popular Nuts

[tynetunnel]

In the last year KN has made 687 posts, all in Off Topic. Not one post in the rest of the forum, not one review - on a punting forum! 

[chrishornx]

In the last year KN has made 687 posts, all in Off Topic. Not one post in the rest of the forum, not one review - on a punting forum! 

most leeches don't last that long he seems immune

[webpunter]

External Link/Members Only

'If you want vegan food, go to a vegan restaurant':
Award-winning eaterie slams 'holier than thou' vegan customers after they were left outraged over lack of plant-based dishes on menu

I cant imagine vegan customers getting stuck into the vino
Especially expensive bottles
Oooh think of the social inequality we really should think about others before spending excessive amounts
Boring twats

A car park full of EVs
Gets a mention over dinner, now what EV have you gone for
& all the bollocks bout what they are doing to help the climate
Boring cunts
Haywards Heath is boring central

Indeed fuck off to a vegan restauarant 
& use their EV charging points while-u-dine
Meanwhile i'll stick to meat seafood & super unleaded

[webpunter]

WTF is going on
I've mentioned a year or two no reviews & its off you fuck
Five years is being very generous
Seven is taking the piss
So why on earth is this UKPer allowed to be on here
Contributing the square root of fuck all
Oooh i remember back in the day [7 years ago] i saw a lady called apple or lilly at the local AMP
This might work for 7 days maybe 7 weeks
Not 7 months or incredibly 7 years
Waste of bandwidth

most leeches don't last that long he seems immune

[shed]

WTF is going on
I've mentioned a year or two no reviews & its off you fuck
Five years is being very generous
Seven is taking the piss
So why on earth is this UKPer allowed to be on here
Contributing the square root of fuck all
Oooh i remember back in the day [7 years ago] i saw a lady called apple or lilly at the local AMP
This might work for 7 days maybe 7 weeks
Not 7 months or incredibly 7 years
Waste of bandwidth

If you are not happy report it 

[Blackpool Rock]

Looks like KN has reached critical mass with this thread, perhaps it the excessive heat getting to everyone but i'll not say it's due to global warming and run the risk of being called whatever by him 

I previously posted this on the politics thread a few days ago which didn't get any response from anyone but looks like this thread is the catalyst for an outpouring of pent up annoyance with someone who always has plenty to say but contributes the sum total of fuck all at least with the KN profile.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=339931.msg3634562#msg3634562

[Liverpool]

His last review was before I joined UKP.

There's not even any attempt to talk about punting or contribute any help about punting. We just get threads like this.

[scutty brown]

His last review was before I joined UKP.

There's not even any attempt to talk about punting or contribute any help about punting. We just get threads like this.

He's the last of the old wasters who thinks he's got grandfather rights to post crap
All the rest, his mates, have gone. Notably JimmyRedCab and NIK. The site benefits from their absence

[webpunter]

Do you think that 7 years doing the square root of fuck all reviews is acceptable to be a member on here  ?

Its not just KN that my post is aimed at

Tho he is fantastically useless at contributing on the focus of this forum

Its the sponger twats who do fuck all reviews & accompany this by getting over involved in off topic

Clearly they aint punting & have little or nothing else better to do

If you are not happy report it 

[Liverpool]

He's the last of the old wasters who thinks he's got grandfather rights to post crap
All the rest, his mates, have gone. Notably JimmyRedCab and NIK. The site benefits from their absence

Unfortunately NIK still posts.

[RedKettle]

Unfortunately NIK still posts.

Whilst I disagree with much of what NIK posted he should get some respect as the founder of this site.

Again I disagree with a lot, but not all, of what KN posts. But why bang on about his lack of punting in recent years? You do not know why he no longer punts. If the owner, admin and mods are ok with him being a member there is no need for us to go on about it.

Some of his threads start interesting debates which are lost when you alll pile in with this stuff.

There was a great line in the recent Tom Daly documentary when discussing banning anti gay countries from hosting the Commonwealth games that said something like nothing positive comes from negativity. (Far better expressed in the programme.) If we engage with his threads in a positive way I think the forum will be better. Maybe we will also improve his view of the world.

[King Nuts]

Maybe we will also improve his view of the world.

Thank you. So my view needs 'improving'? OK, I didn't know that.

[RedKettle]

Thank you. So my view needs 'improving'? OK, I didn't know that.

I meant that as in lightening your view, making you feel more cheerful and positive rather than indoctrination! But I suspect you took it as the latter!

You do tend to see the worst.

[King Nuts]

So many people here seem to have obsessed about (a) the lack of reviews from me, and (2) the nature of and comments in my posts.

I see loads of threads on there I have zero interest in, started by and contributed to by people who, in my opinion, bang on about things I either completely disagree with, or in some cases, are just too incoherent to debate with. Other threads I just have no interest in whatsoever and I don't see the point in commenting on. So guess what? I don't engage with them.

I come here for a bit of a laugh (v short supply, given the generally unpleasant and humourless tone a great many posters on here have) and for some lively banter (again, in short supply, given the forum seems to have a lot of people who turn very nasty when certain narratives get challenged.)

The reason I haven't punted for some years is down to a combination of health and of relationship issues. I don't have to explain anything further. If the people who run this forum want to have some sort of rule that you're banned if you don't post 'x' number of reviews over a 'y' period of time, that's their call and I'll of course have no choice but to accept that.

I was on this forum almost from day one, was even briefly a mod. It's changed a lot since then. It was always a place for some lively exchanges, but I don't recall it being as bad-tempered as some of the threads are these days. I start threads on subjects I am interested in, always hoping for some lively debate, and..... well, look at how this thread has gone.

The Defence rests.








 

[RedKettle]

The subject is interesting.  I would never be vegan but I have started having a vegetarian meal a few times a week having found some recipes that are great.  I think it is beneficial health, financial and (sorry KN) for the environment.   Personally I think this is where some effort should go, getting a lot of people to make a small change that could have a large benefit.

The activists bang on about being Vegan but that is simple unrealistic for most people (and unwanted) and starts to create a them and us culture (again - we get there for almost every issue) rather than being positive about the small changes.

I have not looked closely at the Haywards Heath story but I suspect it is more than simply being encouragaing!

[King Nuts]

The subject is interesting.  I would never be vegan but I have started having a vegetarian meal a few times a week having found some recipes that are great.  I think it is beneficial health, financial and (sorry KN) for the environment.   Personally I think this is where some effort should go, getting a lot of people to make a small change that could have a large benefit.

The activists bang on about being Vegan but that is simple unrealistic for most people (and unwanted) and starts to create a them and us culture (again - we get there for almost every issue) rather than being positive about the small changes.

I have not looked closely at the Haywards Heath story but I suspect it is more than simply being encouragaing!

You're right in that getting people to take small steps to change/improve their lives can be a very good thing. The 'nudge theory' worked well with things like the smoking ban and workplace pensions. But my beef ('scuse the pun) with the article is that made certain assumptions that are not necessarily either true or accurate, and pointed out that the way to goodness and sanctimony was very much at the top of the council's agenda.

I've nothing against veganism and everything against limiting personal choice when those limits are imposed by science that doesn't quite add up, and by sanctimony. The issue of cow and sheep farts warming up the planet aside, eating meat can be very beneficial to most people's diets. 'Eat less but eat better' ought to be the mantra. Not 'ban meat'.

[Blackpool Rock]

Thank you. So my view needs 'improving'? OK, I didn't know that.

RK's post was basically supporting you whereas the other posts weren't however you still chose to pick up on the last comment which could have been taken differently as being yet another "Attack" on you 

Isn't that what you would call someone else out for being a snowflake 
Seriously i'm starting to think you may actually have some issues surrounding a persecution complex or similar, if so then you're not doing yourself any favours continually posting on here in the manner that you do as it just draws attention

[King Nuts]

RK's post was basically supporting you whereas the other posts weren't however you still chose to pick up on the last comment which could have been taken differently as being yet another "Attack" on you 

Isn't that what you would call someone else out for being a snowflake 
Seriously i'm starting to think you may actually have some issues surrounding a persecution complex or similar, if so then you're not doing yourself any favours continually posting on here in the manner that you do as it just draws attention

Jeez. Talk about Analyse-To-Death. What are you, a shrink?

I have a very dry sense of humour. Dry bordering on arid. And I ain't using emojis to signpost my attempts at wit, however futile they clearly are.

[Liverpool]

Given the amount of bannings recently for people's length of membership verses their lack of reviews would suggest otherwise. If the owners are content for King Nuts to remain then so be it.  Anyway, will try to avoid these banal threads of his for now on.

[webpunter]

In addition to being one of the founding members he also was very active in our fave sport
500+ punts & an author of a book all about punting no less
As his punting wound down some of the threads were perhaps dreary
Nothing worse than this
Given his history IMO its like winning a golf major, where players always get invited back to play
Until they retire & even then they are on the periphery of the event

No loss on JRC & neither J999 *
A few saw their star shine brightly before imploding, like Sir Frank [his cunts thread was epic] & YebhoahsLeftFoot

Unfortunately NIK still posts.

* if newer UKPers think they are treated harshly they dont have a clue, it was always the best to stay on the right side of J999

[King Nuts]

* if newer UKPers think they are treated harshly they dont have a clue, it was always the best to stay on the right side of J999

I thought J999 was highly amusing. He had a Withnail-ite thick skin and could stick it to anyone foolish enough to think they could take the verbal beating.

[webpunter]

This puts a different tilt on things
2010 
I hadnt noticed this, apologies 

As for being bad tempered my interpretation is that historically posts could be way more direct
As with everything times change
Now you've gotta be more creative to rip it outta whichever UKP'er it is who is being a bell end [Camel & Boner spring to mind]
Being creative exercises the mind & is good for lateral thinking

The reason I haven't punted for some years is down to a combination of health and of relationship issues. I don't have to explain anything further. If the people who run this forum want to have some sort of rule that you're banned if you don't post 'x' number of reviews over a 'y' period of time, that's their call and I'll of course have no choice but to accept that.

I was on this forum almost from day one, was even briefly a mod. It's changed a lot since then. It was always a place for some lively exchanges, but I don't recall it being as bad-tempered as some of the threads are these days. I start threads on subjects I am interested in, always hoping for some lively debate, and..... well, look at how this thread has gone.

The Defence rests.

[webpunter]

It was hilarious seeing him taking whoever it was to the cleaners

I thought J999 was highly amusing. He had a Withnail-ite thick skin and could stick it to anyone foolish enough to think they could take the verbal beating.

[JontyR]

Sorry, but this is just bullshit.

You can contribute without punting. Look at all the requests for info. Look at the posts from new punters or from those that are looking to expand their sexual horizons. Are you seriously saying that you couldn't contribute to any of those discussions?

You seem so very capable of wanting to sharing your life experiences with the class on the off topic forums - why not on the punting ones? There are plenty of folks here who are unable to punt, but still contribute massively to the forum. 

You say that this forum is bad tempered but every single posting is about you being angry about something, someone or who sections of society.

You are clearly erudite. But it strikes me that you are only actually here for the conflict.

[JontyR]

The subject is interesting.  I would never be vegan but I have started having a vegetarian meal a few times a week having found some recipes that are great.  I think it is beneficial health, financial and (sorry KN) for the environment.   Personally I think this is where some effort should go, getting a lot of people to make a small change that could have a large benefit.

The activists bang on about being Vegan but that is simple unrealistic for most people (and unwanted) and starts to create a them and us culture (again - we get there for almost every issue) rather than being positive about the small changes.

I have not looked closely at the Haywards Heath story but I suspect it is more than simply being encouragaing!

If there was a massive move to veganism (volutary or mandated) it wouldn't achieve the immediate aims that a lot of those advocating would want. After all, what indeed is the point of a dairy herd in a capitalist society if it isn't producing milk for consumption or processing. You keep a couple for museums, but the rest would be slaughtered. The size of the chicken holocaust doesn't bear thinking about.

[King Nuts]

It was hilarious seeing him taking whoever it was to the cleaners

Quite. I was on the receiving end more than once. He just saw it all as a bit of game. Nothing much bothered him, and if he riled everyone, he didn't care.

[RedKettle]

Sorry, but this is just bullshit.

You can contribute without punting. Look at all the requests for info. Look at the posts from new punters or from those that are looking to expand their sexual horizons. Are you seriously saying that you couldn't contribute to any of those discussions?

You seem so very capable of wanting to sharing your life experiences with the class on the off topic forums - why not on the punting ones? There are plenty of folks here who are unable to punt, but still contribute massively to the forum. 

You say that this forum is bad tempered but every single posting is about you being angry about something, someone or who sections of society.

You are clearly erudite. But it strikes me that you are only actually here for the conflict.

I think you are missing the point - it is not up to you.  You are just creating conflict and derailing threads that others may find interesting.  I suggest if you have a problem with a KN thread report it to the mods.

[Liverpool]

I think you are missing the point - it is not up to you.  You are just creating conflict and derailing threads that others may find interesting.  I suggest if you have a problem with a KN thread report it to the mods.

I asked KN for his evidence that the report he linked was wrong. Derailed thread or not he hasn't produced any.

The idea that KN gets a free pass just because he was around at the start is rubbish. Like the rest of us he's a member of a punting forum where we are expected to contribute to punting. He doesn't do this. Regardless of whether his posts are interesting or not, they are never punting related. Those who have been banned for not reviewing must have wondered why the have been singled out.