Are WG's feeling the pinch?

[Moby Dick]

I generally shower (if available) at the SP’s place after punting, and last time I was at it I was thinking to myself “At what point will the post-punt shower become a chargeable ‘extra’ service also, due to the rising cost of gas/electric for SPs? 

Already discussed here:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=352544.0

Do you expect the SP to give you “free” extra time after the paid time to shower?
Or are you talking about the cost of hot water?

[ShamrockLDN]

Already discussed here:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=352544.0

Do you expect the SP to give you “free” extra time after the paid time to shower?
Or are you talking about the cost of hot water?

Cheers for the link. Wow.

No, not expecting free time. I was thinking about the cost to SPs of punters using hot water. Didn't think any of them would actually start charging for it though.

[estats]

So nobody is feeling the pinch?

WG's are just a subset of us all. They are not feeling the pinch?

Well someone tell me why the fuck the government are about to step in and pay half of everyones energy bills.

No ones feeling the pinch, but we'll stick another £100 billion onto national debt?

[daviemac]

So nobody is feeling the pinch?

WG's are just a subset of us all. They are not feeling the pinch?

Well someone tell me why the fuck the government are about to step in and pay half of everyones energy bills.

No ones feeling the pinch, but we'll stick another £100 billion onto national debt?

Maybe you could tell me why you are talking politics on a thread about escorts feeling the pinch and not on the dedicated politics thread.   

[JD1]

All the WGs I see seem to be busy.

Not all consumer facing services see a decline during recessions or "cost of living crises" - some in fact see an increase due to people wanting to treat themselves to escape from it, or potentially cut back on larger items (holidays, etc) but will spend some of that money on other things.

[estats]

Maybe you could tell me why you are talking politics on a thread about escorts feeling the pinch and not on the dedicated politics thread.   

Don't get me wrong daviemac, I'm not making a party political point, I'm not commenting whether it is right or wrong, I'm looking at the economics of it and how it is relevant to this thread.

That is, clearly a consensus has been reached we are all feeling the pinch, hence the stimulus we shall get this week which will be unprecedented in many ways. As I've long commented here I believe a short term stimulus poses longer term questions for the health of the UK economy, but equally I can see the scale of the problem does require intervention.

So returning to the point I've long made. I saw demand destruction based on the data I was seeing, but I always caveated that by saying it wouldn't surprise me if we saw central banks and governments pivot, infact I thought that most likely. It appears we shall see that (accepting we don't have details yet).

The medium term implications I suspect now is we shall see higher prices for longer, as any stimulus will support demand.

[daviemac]

Don't get me wrong daviemac, I'm not making a party political point, I'm not commenting whether it is right or wrong, I'm looking at the economics of it and how it is relevant to this thread.

That is, clearly a consensus has been reached we are all feeling the pinch, hence the stimulus we shall get this week which will be unprecedented in many ways. As I've long commented here I believe a short term stimulus poses longer term questions for the health of the UK economy, but equally I can see the scale of the problem does require intervention.

So returning to the point I've long made. I saw demand destruction based on the data I was seeing, but I always caveated that by saying it wouldn't surprise me if we saw central banks and governments pivot, infact I thought that most likely. It appears we shall see that (accepting we don't have details yet).

The medium term implications I suspect now is we shall see higher prices for longer, as any stimulus will support demand.

"Well someone tell me why the fuck the government are about to step in and pay half of everyones energy bills.

No ones feeling the pinch, but we'll stick another £100 billion onto national debt?"

is a political statement and a comment that should be on the dedicated politics thread.

A point to consider, if an escort is registered as a business then they won't qualify for any help with energy costs for their work premises.

[king tarzan]

"Well someone tell me why the fuck the government are about to step in and pay half of everyones energy bills.

No ones feeling the pinch, but we'll stick another £100 billion onto national debt?"

is a political statement and a comment that should be on the dedicated politics thread.

A point to consider, if an escort is registered as a business then they won't qualify for any help with energy costs for their work premises.

They can pay mine any day..
Won't see that money anyway..
Less for the benefit scroungers

[king tarzan]

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Well at least an effort is being made..👍👌
Hopefully some comfort in future

[daviemac]

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Well at least an effort is being made..👍👌
Hopefully some comfort in future

So you link to a political statement relating to estats's political post. 

[Topgun1]

Interesting topic. Well and truly I think only WG's can answer this. But, imo you can't look at this collectively as everyone's situation is different.

1) You're earning but, in debt.
2) You're earning but, breaking even.
3) You're earning and are above your means (financially independent).

The same will apply to WG's and how they individually approach their finances I guess. From some interactions I've had with WG's I've been told things like:

"I spend as quickly as I earn."

"I have a lot of credit card debt." Yet, said WG would go out regularly to get her nails done, shopping and eating takeaways. Yes, the prerogative is to look good for the job however, her spending was in no means by moderation.

Sometimes when they have a boyfriend abroad... funnily enough he always needs money. Or Sergei is somewhere in the pic lol.

In a lot of cases from personal experience of when they've spoken on finances, I find they burn through their money really quick. Alongside, having really expensive spending habits based on their now 'lavish lifestyle.'

Yes, some I've spoken to are generally quite smart. In which they; invest, save and cut costs wherever possible. As well as having other sources of passive income. So, fair play!

Although, the trade itself will always have availability of men paying for sex. Statistically, 1 in 10 men in the UK pay for sex. Just depends on how popular the girl is, her luck and demographically the client base around. On a really quiet day they could possibly see a client or 2 for short bookings even. All factors to consider.

However, as I said earlier everyone's situation is different. Collectively, based on what's coming (not being political) the industry may feel a hit yet, individually it'll probably differ from WG to WG.   

[LLPunting]

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They are getting worse.   

[Whiteknight]

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They are getting worse.   

I often find, when French Kissing is extra, it is usually rubbish, never worth paying the extra for.

[signy]

Like pusdy 20 extra

I know there is some dodgy spelling going on (lick pussy?), but I first read that as dressing up in a large teddy bear costume. Like Pudsey indeed, for a very strange roleplay.

[estats]

There has been little discussion about the differences between how men and women view the product — or rather service if you like — but it is the product, the cunt, that is on offer, at least for the short time agreed and in a mutually acceptable manner.

The thread has wandered off over almost insoluble differences over whether standard market economics is the controlling factor, with more experienced punters declaring that it isn’t, even given the occasional seeming exception. We’ve all known a WG who has a ‘special offer’ or who clips her prices realising that she has oversold herself: but the exceptions have not shown a general trend. It’s even diverged into discussion of mortgages as clearly more interesting.

But to come back on topic: a big factor that contributes to the general “no cut prices” phenomena goes deeper: I suggest this is how men and women view the cunt. This is not only understandable, but especially prominent when it’s her main job. To a woman, her cunt is the highest prize, the supreme experience. Not only has she been ‘conditioned’ through 2000 years of patriarchy that commoditises: it represents to her her momentous award, the highest gift she can bestow on a male of the species, from losing her virginity to a worthy suitor or having it sold to a highest bidder; and it continues through the mating game, a power she can exert over the frustrated male. Offering this experience to a man is priceless. She is humiliated by charging so little for it rather than marrying an obedient male to provide for her. If she’s reduced to selling it by the hour and half hour, no way does she want to admit it is of even less value. But when a man shags a p4p, he is not being blessed with the previous jewel beyond all understanding: he is just getting a shag.

Perhaps I wouldn't have expressed it like this, and while my first instinct is that cannot be the right point of view, actually taking some time to consider I do think you have made a very strong proposition here on why this market does show slightly different reactions to traditional market force expectations, although I do believe all markets are ultimately subject to the market forces.

I obviously cannot comment from the female or escort point of view, although I think what you say makes good sense. But I can comment from the male punter point of view. While it is obvious the genders view sex through different lenses, in general, and you throw money and power into the mix and you get a complex scenario, the only point I'd raise is does the male think "he is just getting a shag", and if the average punter does indeed think that, what do their actions show?

So, I just go to the gym, I just go shopping, but does the average punter just visit an escort? Look at the hours spent researching, discussing, reviewing, etc. My simple point is the male may just think he is getting a shag, but the reality is the average punter ( or a significant enough subset thereof) behave in such a way (rightly or not) that they clearly value "the cunt" much more than just a shag.

[Marmalade]

Perhaps I wouldn't have expressed it like this, and while my first instinct is that cannot be the right point of view, actually taking some time to consider I do think you have made a very strong proposition here on why this market does show slightly different reactions to traditional market force expectations, although I do believe all markets are ultimately subject to the market forces.

I obviously cannot comment from the female or escort point of view, although I think what you say makes good sense. But I can comment from the male punter point of view. While it is obvious the genders view sex through different lenses, in general, and you throw money and power into the mix and you get a complex scenario, the only point I'd raise is does the male think "he is just getting a shag", and if the average punter does indeed think that, what do their actions show?

So, I just go to the gym, I just go shopping, but does the average punter just visit an escort? Look at the hours spent researching, discussing, reviewing, etc. My simple point is the male may just think he is getting a shag, but the reality is the average punter ( or a significant enough subset thereof) behave in such a way (rightly or not) that they clearly value "the cunt" much more than just a shag.

Thank you for finally accepting my point. 

On the difference you suggest of valuing a cunt “more than just a shag”, I don’t think the laborious research time alters it. A lot of work can go into getting just a shag whether using pickups or social media or paying cash. It simply means that the ‘product’ deliberately keeps itself in short supply. You’d probably do the same to find a shop in some parts of Africa just to find drinking water — it’s still just drinking water. And if we pay over the odds for power in coming months, it’s still just stuff to heat homes and cook food. Basic requirements. (Though we could conceivably go without power or sex). More Maslow than Malthus.

[LLPunting]

Baltic massage in Dagenham (or wherever) are ignoring calls, texts and Whatsapp enquiries from a fresh number so guess they aren't feeling the pinch.

[Chazz]

I know there is some dodgy spelling going on (lick pussy?), but I first read that as dressing up in a large teddy bear costume. Like Pudsey indeed, for a very strange roleplay.

I know it's a bit niche, but it's the only way I can get over the line these days! 
To get my rocks off I also have to pay the SP with a huge oversized cheque!

[estats]

So many things to reflect upon today, but are people starting to get the seriousness of what is going on? Demand destruction moves ever closer, those who are not correctly positioned will be feeling a heavy pinch.

For the best part of a year I've warned of this day. If today wasn't a black friday, we very well may face a black monday. A 2% fall in the stock market is concerning enough, but sterling slumping to a near 40 year low against the dollar, our currency is being eviscerated.

But what worries the most and probably isn't even on most peoples radar is the gilts market. They now imply the bank rates needs to move towards 5.5% ! Furthermore, how the hell can the BOE move into selling guilts through QT into this market? The liquidity is drying up in this market rapidly, but if the BOE acts to loosen its monetary policy and indicate it will move back to purchasing guilts, sterling will be hammered further, driving inflation ever higher.

We have government fiscal policy in direct conflict with central bank monetary policy and that will mean something will break, maybe sooner than anyone realises.

As I've said for months, no good way out. Continue tightening until something breaks, or continue fiscally loose policy and let inflation run rampant.

Tonight I'm very concerned we may have to see emergency intervention on some level in very short order to try and sure up the British currency. The implications of all this could very well see us all suffer the deepest recession of our lifetimes.

[shed]

Think I'll go for a few beers

[Marmalade]

Maybe it could count as an extra.

“Is it ok if I pinch you?” 

[estats]

Lets call a spade, a spade, global markets who finance British debt have basically looked at plans today and said no thanks, no way, dumped our debt, companies and currency, that was always my biggest fear.

If the BOE don't act to support sterling, the market will peg it for them by the looks, $1 = £1.

What happens if no one comes forward to buy guilts to finance UK borrowing?

These are exactly the kind of setup weekends where corporates suffer major liquidity issues, and that means financial crisis follows in short order. I suspect today is going to be talked about for a long, long time, as the starting point of 1- a financial crisis and 2- a major economic recession.

[daviemac]

Lets call a spade, a spade, global markets who finance British debt have basically looked at plans today and said no thanks, no way, dumped our debt, companies and currency, that was always my biggest fear.

If the BOE don't act to support sterling, the market will peg it for them by the looks, $1 = £1.

What happens if no one comes forward to buy guilts to finance UK borrowing?

These are exactly the kind of setup weekends where corporates suffer major liquidity issues, and that means financial crisis follows in short order. I suspect today is going to be talked about for a long, long time, as the starting point of 1- a financial crisis and 2- a major economic recession.

What has this and reply #368 got to do with escorts feeling the pinch.   

[estats]

What has this and reply #368 got to do with escorts feeling the pinch.   

Just saying everyone feeling the pinch starts with financial events in markets (normally these dry, boring guilt markets) many months before, so I'll leave it there and as always we shall see how things play out.

[daviemac]

Just saying everyone feeling the pinch starts with financial events in markets (normally these dry, boring guilt markets) many months before, so I'll leave it there and as always we shall see how things play out.

Very wise, posting about politics anywhere except in the dedicated thread comes with a ban, next time no warning.

[Thephoenix]

So many things to reflect upon today, but are people starting to get the seriousness of what is going on? Demand destruction moves ever closer, those who are not correctly positioned will be feeling a heavy pinch.

For the best part of a year I've warned of this day. If today wasn't a black friday, we very well may face a black monday. A 2% fall in the stock market is concerning enough, but sterling slumping to a near 40 year low against the dollar, our currency is being eviscerated.

But what worries the most and probably isn't even on most peoples radar is the gilts market. They now imply the bank rates needs to move towards 5.5% ! Furthermore, how the hell can the BOE move into selling guilts through QT into this market? The liquidity is drying up in this market rapidly, but if the BOE acts to loosen its monetary policy and indicate it will move back to purchasing guilts, sterling will be hammered further, driving inflation ever higher.

We have government fiscal policy in direct conflict with central bank monetary policy and that will mean something will break, maybe sooner than anyone realises.

As I've said for months, no good way out. Continue tightening until something breaks, or continue fiscally loose policy and let inflation run rampant.

Tonight I'm very concerned we may have to see emergency intervention on some level in very short order to try and sure up the British currency. The implications of all this could very well see us all suffer the deepest recession of our lifetimes.

Yes but did you know that Fagash Lill down at Birkenhead docks still only charges a tenner for knee tremblers plus £5 for BJ (with or without).

[Topgun1]

Think I'll go for a few beers

Think I’ll down a bottle of scotch. Some people take life wayyy too seriously. Chill the fuck out and go have fun with an escort. Oh wait… you might start talking politics with her too!

🤦‍♂️

[LLPunting]

Yes but did you know that Fagash Lill down at Birkenhead docks still only charges a tenner for knee tremblers plus £5 for BJ (with or without).

Whose knees would be trembling and for what reason?

[Marmalade]

Yes but did you know that Fagash Lill down at Birkenhead docks still only charges a tenner for knee tremblers plus £5 for BJ (with or without).

I don't know the area... but is that true?

[Thephoenix]

I don't know the area... but is that true?

Maybe I should have explained.... it's with or without her top set.
She'll also do 4 H with her mate Lilo Lill. You must have heard of her.
She's the one who loves RO, once you've removed her incontinence pants.

[Marmalade]

So you were winding me up Phoenix. What a shame! 

I should have spotted it as the standard for SWs is to charge extra, if they do, for FS, not BJ (OW being the easiest for outdoors). A fiver was once the standard in Glasgow in a time long ago. A very civilised price. 

[Garage man]

I have been trying to arrange a pre Christmas punt and made various initial enquiries (British girls in their 20’s in London). Most of them I had seen before. Three of them came back offering up sell to a duo with their mate and another who was going to be away immediately suggested an alternative.

I have been offered duos before but not often.

I am wondering if times are getting tough and they are trying to help each other out.

[king tarzan]

Cooking my curries costs me about £2 more per curry
I like using top ingredients

Curries and beautiful women are two that are compulsory mandatory in my life..
Has to be done as the lads used to say back in the 80's and 90's

[PilotMan]

Cooking my curries costs me about £2 more per curry
I like using top ingredients

Do the other residents in the hostel ever complain about the smell when you're cooking, or are you cooking for all the residents? 

[king tarzan]

Do the other residents in the hostel ever complain about the smell when you're cooking, or are you cooking for all the residents? 

I live in a quiet suburban street..
Some have commented on nice aroma
Cooking curry is about the love and time you take to cook the curry with.
All residents we look out for each other and any strangers as to why they are here on the street

[LLPunting]

Do the other residents in the hostel ever complain about the smell when you're cooking, or are you cooking for all the residents? 

Is "hostel" the new sensitized word for asylum?

[Marmalade]

Every time I see the title of this thread in "new replies" I think about pinching a WG's arse...

[MrMatrix]

And she kindly provides a link to "Tip me with an Adultwork voucher."

Cheeky mare!!

Some guy in August paid £1000 for 2hours.. Yes she does look great
And she says if you are shocked at my fees, then you are probably not for me.... Few people can afford £500 an hour and alas I'm not one of them

[PilotMan]

Is "hostel" the new sensitized word for asylum?

We have to be PC and Woke these days, so I cannot confirm.

If it was a younger me many years ago, the word(s) would have been Looney Bin  but I don't use those words any more 

Sounds like it's in a nice location by all accounts.

[akauya]

And she kindly provides a link to "Tip me with an Adultwork voucher."

Cheeky mare!!

+  "Call 0908 122 0200 and when prompted enter my User ID: 2317575.  Calls cost £1.55/min + access charge"

She doesn't miss a trick!

[Home Alone]

Bet that's the definition of a "dusty phone". Certainly hope so; it deserves to be!

[daviemac]

+  "Call 0908 122 0200 and when prompted enter my User ID: 2317575.  Calls cost £1.55/min + access charge"

She doesn't miss a trick!

Bet that's the definition of a "dusty phone". Certainly hope so; it deserves to be!

That number's only for you to leave a voicemail and why would anyone want to do that instead of sending a message they can get a reply to.   

[Yankee21]

Market is getting bigger according to FT

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[Massagetugga]

Market is getting bigger according to FT

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I wouldn’t say I’ve seen a substantial increase in AW profiles but maybe I’m wrong?

[MrMatrix]

I wouldn’t say I’ve seen a substantial increase in AW profiles but maybe I’m wrong?

Let alone the increase in hourly rate and extras which seem to be creeping in more frequently

[chadpitt]

Market is getting bigger according to FT

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They must be jokers trying to charge £100 for 30 mins because I haven't noticed more sps.

[britman]

FT piece here - free to read: External Link/Members Only

[daviemac]

FT piece here - free to read:

It's behind a paywall?


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[chadpitt]

FT piece here - free to read: External Link/Members Only

Nothing but poverty pimping in the article. If women are so hard up then why are prices at an all time high.

Then there's the stupid online safety bill which is the biggest censorship and curtailing of civil rights in living memory and anyone backing this document should be forced to give up the Internet.

[chadpitt]

Another sob story puff piece which doesn't mention hourly rates.

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