Are WG's feeling the pinch?

[PilotMan]

Have seen a couple drop from £80hh/£160h to £70hh/£140h in my area over the last week.

Care to share those SP's with your fellow "cost of living" crisis affected punters,  and help ease their budgets.

[estats]

This is where you're wrong - not everyone is feeling the pinch.

I know lots of people who aren't affected by higher energy or fuel bills or food, their biggest problem is how to jump the waiting list for a new Defender. In my business, my biggest problem is sourcing stock, I can't get enough to satisfy demand.

The cost of living crisis disproportionately affects those whose expenditure is almost already accounted for with little disposable income. If my fuel and energy costs double it doesn't really affect me, I don't have to stop punting, or curtail any other discretionary spending - in 2020 my energy costs were over £6k P.A. - I've no idea how much they are now, it's not something I think about. I only use Super+ UL in my cars and I couldn't tell you the cost per litre of fuel, I don't even watch the £meter spin around when I fill the tank.

Because punting is an expensive discretionary spend, my assumption is (and it is an assumption) that the majority of frequent Punters would be less affected by the COL crisis than most. If you're in a family household with a tight budget already, you probably aren't punting (or very infrequently).

As for Prossies, the ones who offer a good service will always be in demand and will attract punters who have available discretionary funds for multiple hour bookings. My recent attempts to book girls has been challenging, so it would seem there are plenty of these punters around.

I suspect that you may well be right in that prossies who serve the cheaper end of the market will feel the pinch as some of their punters gradually dry up and therefore have to alter their business model. I see little change in the pricing of quality providers, their typical punter will not be affected by the COL crisis.

 ...........Waits for flaming from the local Trade Union Steward

Some interesting points.

I made somewhat of a facetious point earlier in saying "Russian millionaires cannot support an entire market", but the general gist of this and my main disagreement with you, is while I would say the average punter has more discretionary spend available than the median, that inflation and tighter monetary policy and yes recession will impact well into this cohort as well.

Indeed, reading your own post, you suggest you are not feeling the pinch, then say in your professional life you are struggling to source stock. Doesn't this mean, somewhere along the line these supply chain issues, be they related to labour issues, raw material costs, shipping or whatever demonstrate that business is running below its optimal operation to some large degree?

And that is my point. If our economy retains all these problems, even if you don't feel the pinch now, your situation is weaker than it otherwise would have been due to the COL and such issues. Ultimately magnify these macro issues across all income groups and you trigger downward movements in demand.

Even if you are in say a wealthy tech industry and think you are secure, the misallocation of capital due to loose monetary policy for a decade and more has brought about so many zombie companies, very quickly you could lose business, jobs and trigger a reverse wealth affect in even the higher paid industries.

But we shall see. My main point has always been people are still totally unprepared for how bad things will get in the winter.
 

[PilotMan]

There's truth in everything that's been said above, I always think of that old saying...............

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I tend to find that whatever you focus on becomes your reality. We almost always behave in a way that seeks to confirm our beliefs and if we believe things are going to get bad, then we behave accordingly, so our outcome will match that and we're not surprised.

Have a listen to Derren Brown - Bootcamp for the brain - he talks about expectation and outcomes

I'm looking forward to growing and thriving 

[estats]

There's truth in everything that's been said above, I always think of that old saying...............

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

I tend to find that whatever you focus on becomes your reality. We almost always behave in a way that seeks to confirm our beliefs and if we believe things are going to get bad, then we behave accordingly, so our outcome will match that and we're not surprised.

Have a listen to Derren Brown - Bootcamp for the brain - he talks about expectation and outcomes

I'm looking forward to growing and thriving 

Well tell that to the crypto investors who've lost most of their money in the last 6 months.

It's not about growing or thriving, I've shorted most markets since the turn of the year and have done nicely, thank you.

For me It is about analysing the reality of what is happening. Market sentiment is important, but there becomes periods where the reality of monetary policy will override it. I suspect we will enter one such period later this year.

[B4bcock]

The last few weeks have seen an increase in the number of SP's in Bristol showing AVAILABLE TODAY on their profile, so maybe a sign business is slower.

I've been hoping more will start to offer a 15 minute option, as a quick P&D is often all I require and a couple of SP's have told me there can be a good demand for it, especially over lunchtimes. So far, alas, I have seen no sign of it happening. 

[Moby Dick]

The last few weeks have seen an increase in the number of SP's in Bristol showing AVAILABLE TODAY on their profile, so maybe a sign business is slower.

Dunno, maybe Granny is looking after the kids during the school holidays?
Maybe they need to earn some spends for their luxury holidays this month?

[Moby Dick]

Well tell that to the crypto investors who've lost most of their money in the last 6 months.

It's not about growing or thriving, I've shorted most markets since the turn of the year and have done nicely, thank you.

For me It is about analysing the reality of what is happening. Market sentiment is important, but there becomes periods where the reality of monetary policy will override it. I suspect we will enter one such period later this year.

What are you analysing?

SPs will only feel the pinch if punters disposable income is reduced by the rising cost of living.
To some an extra £100 on electric, £50/month on shopping and other bills will mean one less punt a month. Whilst other punters who will have savings from not spending during COVID, or are earning more from the upturn in business/increase margins will carry on as normal.

[estats]

What are you analysing?

SPs will only feel the pinch if punters disposable income is reduced by the rising cost of living.
To some an extra £100 on electric, £50/month on shopping and other bills will mean one less punt a month. Whilst other punters who will have savings from not spending during COVID, or are earning more from the upturn in business/increase margins will carry on as normal.

We're going off topic here. But what am I analysing?

1 - Real take home pay
2 - Inflation by sectors
3 - Consumer borrowing
4 - Savings rates and draw down of savings
5 - Money supply (m1 and m2)

[petermisc]

People have been predicting price falls ever since we crested the pandemic, and I still see no signs of it happening.  None of the girls on my HL have reduced prices, but several have increased their rates from £100 to £120/hr in W Mids, and £160 to £180+ in London.

Although numbers have been rising slowly, the number of WGs available in my price bracket is still way below what it was pre-covid.  Until numbers get back to what they were, and the supply matches demand once again, I can only see prices rising.  Certainly not falling.

I am not convinced that financial pressures are going to significantly increase the number of UK providers, as the girls have so many other options available.  While there has been a rise in the number of foreign providers, the fact is that the UK is no longer as attractive a destination for WGs as it once was, for a number of reasons.  Looming financial pressures in the UK are only likely to make the UK even less attractive.

Some punters seem to think that if a WG is not earning enough, then she will drop her prices.  The more usual scenario is that she will either give it up as a bad job, or go somewhere else where she can earn more.  It is notable how many of the girls on my HL have been trying their luck elsewhere, where the grass appears to be greener.

[estats]

People have been predicting price falls ever since we crested the pandemic, and I still see no signs of it happening.  None of the girls on my HL have reduced prices, but several have increased their rates from £100 to £120/hr in W Mids, and £160 to £180+ in London.

Although numbers have been rising slowly, the number of WGs available in my price bracket is still way below what it was pre-covid.  Until numbers get back to what they were, and the supply matches demand once again, I can only see prices rising.  Certainly not falling.

I am not convinced that financial pressures are going to significantly increase the number of UK providers, as the girls have so many other options available.  While there has been a rise in the number of foreign providers, the fact is that the UK is no longer as attractive a destination for WGs as it once was, for a number of reasons.  Looming financial pressures in the UK are only likely to make the UK even less attractive.

Some punters seem to think that if a WG is not earning enough, then she will drop her prices.  The more usual scenario is that she will either give it up as a bad job, or go somewhere else where she can earn more.  It is notable how many of the girls on my HL have been trying their luck elsewhere, where the grass appears to be greener.

This is exactly my point, most people have the mindset they don't see a bubble bursting until it is too late, exactly like a lot of people didn't see inflation coming. Either they are too busy, cannot be bothered or are playing draughts, not chess.

Time will tell, but I think the UK economy goes so bad in late 2022, 2023 we will see a range of things happening we didn't think possible 12 months before in so many markets, it won't be business as usual and so many have their head in the sands over it. Just like people would have laughed at someone saying we would get 10% inflation just 12 months ago.

It's amazing for me to see post after post here of people thinking the financial pressures on all cohorts won't be significant moving forward over the next 6-12-24+ months. I honestly don't know what data they are looking at, most of it is flashing red on a scale not seen for decades. Still, I suppose I should be grateful, it's actually that wrong analysis since the turn of the year that has enabled me to short against them.

[chadpitt]

People have been predicting price falls ever since we crested the pandemic, and I still see no signs of it happening.  None of the girls on my HL have reduced prices, but several have increased their rates from £100 to £120/hr in W Mids, and £160 to £180+ in London.

Although numbers have been rising slowly, the number of WGs available in my price bracket is still way below what it was pre-covid.  Until numbers get back to what they were, and the supply matches demand once again, I can only see prices rising.  Certainly not falling.

I am not convinced that financial pressures are going to significantly increase the number of UK providers, as the girls have so many other options available.  While there has been a rise in the number of foreign providers, the fact is that the UK is no longer as attractive a destination for WGs as it once was, for a number of reasons.  Looming financial pressures in the UK are only likely to make the UK even less attractive.

Some punters seem to think that if a WG is not earning enough, then she will drop her prices.  The more usual scenario is that she will either give it up as a bad job, or go somewhere else where she can earn more.  It is notable how many of the girls on my HL have been trying their luck elsewhere, where the grass appears to be greener.

Sadly I agree. This is the current situation

Thought I hope estats is right about price drops, that's only the case in some massive economic crash. Even then, wgs are just delusional. They would rather sit around all day or quit before lowering prices.

The biggest problem is we cut off our supply of overseas talent in favour of rubbish domestic dregs. Until the borders open up and the exchange rate improves, we're not really going to see price corrections.

[lillythesavage]

Sadly I agree. This is the current situation

Thought I hope estats is right about price drops, that's only the case in some massive economic crash. Even then, wgs are just delusional. They would rather sit around all day or quit before lowering prices.

The biggest problem is we cut off our supply of overseas talent in favour of rubbish domestic dregs. Until the borders open up and the exchange rate improves, we're not really going to see price corrections.

Same old boring story  , the place is flooded with Thai, Roms and South Americans, very few new Brits, so how do they make it work?

Everyone has a price where they decide to do any job or not, Delusional? some maybe, others are not prepared to do the job for less and handle the rush that comes with it. 

[petermisc]

Same old boring story  , the place is flooded with Thai, Roms and South Americans, very few new Brits, so how do they make it work?

If the place really is flooded with WGs, then why are prices still rising?

While there has been an uptick in Thais recently, neither W Mids nor London have anywhere near the number there were a few years back.  Look at the roster on Olina's or the like, and most have been there for years.  Where are all the Thai flats there used to be in central Brum not that long ago?

We were flooded with Roms awhile back, but that flood seems to be ebbing.  And they are no longer offering the really cheap deals that they once were.  How many still offering a £20 quickie?   South Americans do seem to be taking over, numbers-wise, from the Roms.  However, the only reason there seems to be a flood of them is because there are so few others.  Where are all the Poles, Hungarians, etc? 

Even with the Roms and S Americans, there are still significantly less WGs available than there were a few years ago, certainly in the sub-£200/hr range.

[chadpitt]

Same old boring story  , the place is flooded with Thai, Roms and South Americans, very few new Brits, so how do they make it work?

Everyone has a price where they decide to do any job or not, Delusional? some maybe, others are not prepared to do the job for less and handle the rush that comes with it. 

Most of those people came and settled before brexit or just people smuggled. The supply is definitely worse than before Brexit. I'd say we'll over 70% less supply.

There definitely isn't a rush at lower prices. Not with the cost of living crisis  putting things on the backfoot. Certainly better than a dusty phone.

[babehunter66]

I don't think they are feeling the pinch..I've recently got back into this(now massive expensive hobby) and tend to go for 2+ hr bookings ..ive had 5 wg's pencilled in for 4hrs bookings(from 450 - 700) and they all fell through at last minute .. if they can afford to not work  for 4hrs and get 500 and its outcall so no extra cost they must b doing OK. Sorry I started again now 😅

[Hobbit]

Not sure if they are feeling the pinch or not. But I have not punted a hooker for a while now and the last one I saw was Silver Monica and when I last looked, even she had put her rates up. I'm getting fed up of seeing SA girls and wanted to go back to my roots and see an escort but all of the ones that I have listed are charging around £400 for a 1.5-hour booking. I tend to do outcalls so it's even worse for me. I used to prefer having two-hour appointments but now they are going to be too expensive and sticking to one-hour appointments ends up being less satisfying and not worth it.

[shagmore]

If they are feeling the pinch, then common sense should dictate that they lower prices, but they do not have common sense so prices remain high. I am not prepared to pay over £150 for an hour, a few years ago you cold get good WG's for £110 /hr

[Coriniumstud]

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[Home Alone]

I doubt it
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[Justjim1987]

I don't think SP are currently feeling the pinch, but come October & January the amount of punters with disposable cash will be few & far between. With the cost of living going up dramatically it's bound to have an effect on SP.

I think early next year will be the real test

[big-al93]

I don't think SP are currently feeling the pinch, but come October & January the amount of punters with disposable cash will be few & far between. With the cost of living going up dramatically it's bound to have an effect on SP.

I think early next year will be the real test

^^This!^^  As the cost of living starts to bite, (at the moment probably only those with very little disposable income are truly suffering) most will try or be able to maintain the hobbies that are most important to them, punting included, it'll not be until it starts hitting those with medium to high disposable incomes that the WG's will truly start to feel the pinch, starting with those that charge the least as they have clients from all walks. It will take the longest to reach those withplenty of clients at sky high rates. As many others have said what the effect of this will be in terms of rates is totally unpredictable. What effect will dropping rates by say £10/hh really have? Extra clients? Existing ones being more loyal? Bringing in new clients? Probably not much effect at all, imho, then there is self esteem issues encountered by having to lower rates, which may just motivate SP's to either leave the game, or actually try to up rates to compensate for the lack of clients.

Much as I hate to say it, I think the overall trend is going to be decided by Sergei and Mr Lee, who will figure out (eventually) the best way to maximise profits out of the poor souls that they control, and the brazillians will either follow what they are doing or go home. That will leave everyone else to decide whether to follow suit, and charge less but be busy, stick where they are making less than before or to up rates.

So while we would all welcome lower prices, please remember who may just suffer most for them to drop.
But then it's hard to think about that while we are getting our dicks sucked 
And all the above is just my thoughts on it, with sweet FA to back it up.

[king tarzan]

Its Simpletto

You can either afford it or you can't

Simpletto signor 🙌🙌🙌

[alabama1]

Its Simpletto

You can either afford it or you can't

Simpletto signor 🙌🙌🙌

I'd have thought its more about VFM more so than wether you can afford it. 

[king tarzan]

I'd have thought its more about VFM more so than wether you can afford it. 

Its a luxury not a necessity...
If I was scrimping and saving to get buy then punting would be a very very rare luxury

[alabama1]

Its a luxury not a necessity...
If I was scrimping and saving to get buy then punting would be a very very rare luxury

Its not a luxury for me, its a hobby.

[big-al93]

Its Simpletto

You can either afford it or you can't

Simpletto signor 🙌🙌🙌

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True, but not the point of the thread. That is are WG's feeling the pinch?
There is little doubt that most of us will start to feel it soon, and that will begin to trickle through to SP's.Only time will tell how they are going to deal with it.

[king tarzan]

Its not a luxury for me, its a hobby.

A luxurious hobby..
Its not bread and butter first to fill the stomach

[sim0256]

Living in NI nothing is cheap especially the WG's .
I still class myself as a relative newbie, first anniversary coming up soon.  I am used to high prices usually 180+ph.  What I see now post pandemic etc. is that the higher end local girls who have been about a while have not increased their prices but the touring blow ins are arriving for a few days posting profiles of how brilliant they are with very little to back it up and charging £200+ ph.  They push the fact that they the best ever and only around for a few days, they give a background review of some exotic origin Brazil etc. and expect their phone to be jumping.

Frankly while I enjoy a bit of variety I will stick with the local girls I know . One benefit of punting in a small city is that local girls speak to each other and if you ask your regular for any suggestions as to who try they will give a name or two who they think might suit you or be worth a try.  They are nice like that , lol.  It has worked for me . Of course occasionally I get to try anew girl but it s after you guys decide to post a positive review so thanks for that and keep the reviews coming.
Better than  a shot in the dark (pun , yes I know)  A bird in the hand and all that, or even a bush in the hand !!!

[alabama1]

A luxurious hobby..
Its not bread and butter first to fill the stomach

No, not luxurious. Many hobbies can cost more. ' bread and butter to fill the stomach' isn't a hobby either, its a necessity.

[babehunter66]

If you look on the wg dedicated site there's lots complaining about bookings drying up so maybe that will mean prices come down

[petermisc]

If you look on the wg dedicated site there's lots complaining about bookings drying up so maybe that will mean prices come down

WGs will also be seeing their fuel and food bills increasing.  If you think that they are going to drop their prices just when they need to earn more, then you are delusional.  It didn't happen during previous financial troubles, and it won't happen this time either.  What will happen if a WG isn't earning enough, is that she will either give up, or relocate to somewhere where she thinks she can earn more.  The chances of WGs dropping their prices is about as likely as Tesco putting all its prices down, or the RMT accepting a pay cut.

[Marmalade]

Greggs are putting up their prices. That and the Netflix increase is bound to have them panicking. Then there’s wet wipes for all the dust on their phones. Being crap at adding up, that probably equate for them to an extra 30 quid an hour on their prices. The internet has created a near monopoly. If some put their prices up, many of the others feel they have to, to ‘show’ they’re not ‘cheap’.

But they’re not sex “workers”: they’re just prostitutes.

[Marmalade]

If you look on the wg dedicated site there's lots complaining about bookings drying up so maybe that will mean prices come down

Common misconception.

Prostitute logic works like this:

i) some people can afford to pay.
ii) if others can’t, there’s always some that can.
iii) therefore, to maintain the same income, I have to charge the ones that can afford it, more.

[estats]

Common misconception.

Prostitute logic works like this:

i) some people can afford to pay.
ii) if others can’t, there’s always some that can.
iii) therefore, to maintain the same income, I have to charge the ones that can afford it, more.

We've chatted about this previously, this logic does work in a scenario of marginally lower demand, such as a reduction in 10% in demand.

However, this logic doesn't work if, say, demand drops 50% +.

Many valid points, but the one I state again is much of this price stability argument and it will be "business as usual" people are basing on the very benign economy we've had for probably 40 years now and most can only remember. Even through the financial crisis most people were protected through it.

I think things get so bad in the next 18 months, it isn't business as usual.

I've always caveated this with the central banks pivoting and dreaming up another financial stability tool that kicks economic problems down the road, in fact I'd say this most likely. However, most major economies on the current path are heading for, or already in recession and most economic indicators are flashing big danger signals.

Just think about America for example, they are already in a technical recession. But the scary fact is they were in this recession with interest rate at 0.25%. Where does the USA economy end up with interest rates closer to 4% and further QT? The federal reserve, and most western central banks now have a very clear choice, continue to fight inflation with 4-5-6% interest rates and see massive recessions and asset bubbles burst, or lose the battle with inflation and focus on fighting economic recession. Either way, they lose and economic demand, especially in discretionary spend is decimated, for a period.

The fairy tale that central banks told us about the fact they could raise interest rates to fight inflation and they could win this battle quickly without triggering a recession is about to be exposed. As always, most people don't see it coming and are ill prepared for it.

We knew a pandemic would come again, we were not prepared. We knew inflation would come again, we were not prepared. We knew a war would come again, but were not prepared. We know fossil fuels and our dependency on them is a problem, but are not prepared. And we know economic recessions and depressions will come again, but once again we won't be prepared!

[lamboman]

Common misconception.

Prostitute logic works like this:

i) some people can afford to pay.
ii) if others can’t, there’s always some that can.
iii) therefore, to maintain the same income, I have to charge the ones that can afford it, more.

About right.

[Colston36]

Common misconception.

Prostitute logic works like this:

i) some people can afford to pay.
ii) if others can’t, there’s always some that can.
iii) therefore, to maintain the same income, I have to charge the ones that can afford it, more.

This is just commercial logic, not peculiar to any industry. Greggs, quoted elsewhere, and a bell wether, have put up their prices.

[Moby Dick]

If they are feeling the pinch, then common sense should dictate that they lower prices, but they do not have common sense so prices remain high. I am not prepared to pay over £150 for an hour, a few years ago you cold get good WG's for £110 /hr

Will you change your username to Shagless?

[king tarzan]

Greggs are putting up their prices. That and the Netflix increase is bound to have them panicking. Then there’s wet wipes for all the dust on their phones. Being crap at adding up, that probably equate for them to an extra 30 quid an hour on their prices. The internet has created a near monopoly. If some put their prices up, many of the others feel they have to, to ‘show’ they’re not ‘cheap’.

But they’re not sex “workers”: they’re just prostitutes.

I love Gregg's cheese onion pasties with latte in the morning on way to work

[king tarzan]

No, not luxurious. Many hobbies can cost more. ' bread and butter to fill the stomach' isn't a hobby either, its a necessity.

Its luxurious

Simpletto signor 🙌🙌🙌

[big-al93]

This is just commercial logic, not peculiar to any industry. Greggs, quoted elsewhere, and a bell wether, have put up their prices.

True, the difference being that Greggs have no option but to increase prices,(due to energy prices, world market prices of wheat for flour ect) and will be trying to walk a tight rope of how much they should increase to maintain margins, and keeping rises to a minimum to avoid alienating customers.

The difference with SP's being that the margins are not tight and most should easily be able to absorb the increase in operating costs without increasing prices, yet there has generally been an increase since the pandemic. Any increasing more now either have dusty phones and need to rinse the few to cover costs, are in high demand and increasing prices will control demand for them so that they can control work/life balance. I.e. an extra £20/hr will still get them as many clients as they want and they make more money or finally and worst they are seeing the headlines about cost of living and are simply seeing an opportunity to justify a price increase.

[estats]

This is just commercial logic, not peculiar to any industry. Greggs, quoted elsewhere, and a bell wether, have put up their prices.

It's not at all. The notion most companies are price gouging their customers is just a fallacy, in fact the reverse is true, if you look at the data.

In most industries with tight margins, you'll see the producer price indices are running well above consumer inflation.

Greggs might well put their sausage rolls up 10%, but I assure you their costs are inflating at twice that.

High margin industries general have to take price cuts to adapt to a rapid decline in demand, this is economic reality.

[Moby Dick]

It's not at all. The notion most companies are price gouging their customers is just a fallacy, in fact the reverse is true, if you look at the data.

In most industries with tight margins, you'll see the producer price indices are running well above consumer inflation.

Greggs might well put their sausage rolls up 10%, but I assure you their costs are inflating at twice that.

High margin industries general have to take price cuts to adapt to a rapid decline in demand, this is economic reality.

Do you work at Greggs?

[lillythesavage]

 

Do you work at Greggs?

 

He is correct though, they are struggling to find a balance between price increases and losing customers across the board of retail and services.
independent take away food shops are already closing, no bad thing, their are too many of them, only the money laundering ones are not affected, retail in general is going to suffer from lack of disposable income.

Price gouging is being done by oil and gas suppliers though, someone mentioned that market price dictates their profits, but they control the market price by the amount they put on the market and a little world unrest helps that cause, they were giving it away through lockdowns.

[king tarzan]

 

He is correct though, they are struggling to find a balance between price increases and losing customers across the board of retail and services.
independent take away food shops are already closing, no bad thing, their are too many of them, only the money laundering ones are not affected, retail in general is going to suffer from lack of disposable income.

Price gouging is being done by oil and gas suppliers though, someone mentioned that market price dictates their profits, but they control the market price by the amount they put on the market and a little world unrest helps that cause, they were giving it away through lockdowns.

So your saying they sell organised crime pasties?
Gun cakes?

[chadpitt]

Common misconception.

Prostitute logic works like this:

i) some people can afford to pay.
ii) if others can’t, there’s always some that can.
iii) therefore, to maintain the same income, I have to charge the ones that can afford it, more.

True. That's why it's called prossie logic.

They could make more money by seeing one or two more customers using a lower price but they are lazy and egotistical.

[king tarzan]

True. That's why it's called prossie logic.

They could make more money by seeing one or two more customers using a lower price but they are lazy and egotistical.

Arrogant self entitled sluts

[Marmalade]

Arrogant self entitled sluts

Mostly laziness and a why bother attitude.

Can only ever think of one. Top totty in a fast-service place. Wtf? A 9-5 20mins sessions paid more than working / hanging around at the classy joint across the road (BA85 vs 4x4 for those in the know).

[Hobbit]

Arrogant self entitled sluts

It's worse after Brexit. A lot of these girls believe they're so self-entitled that they can't even bother going to the gym as they all think they deserve to be a size 8 or 10. UK's Obesity rate is higher than ever before. What's this world coming to???

[lillythesavage]

Most of those people came and settled before brexit or just people smuggled. The supply is definitely worse than before Brexit. I'd say we'll over 70% less supply.

There definitely isn't a rush at lower prices. Not with the cost of living crisis  putting things on the backfoot. Certainly better than a dusty phone.

Absolute rubbish, there has been an influx from Thailand and South America since travel opened, even a few yanks.

If the EU is such a Utopia, why do immigrants and asylum seekers not settle there, they cross it with eyes closed and risk life to get here.

Why can you not accept some have made money here and settled back home with the money, or went home in the pandemic and decided to stay?

Open borders and free movement was invented to supply cheap non union labour to big business, the business the rule makers are invested in and to put local workers wages lower, no thought for the damage done to poorer nations that lose all their brains and brawn.
No thought about the conditions they live in, or them living on tinned Sardines, pasta and dry bread, Health and Safety is largely ignored and gang masters have thrived.

Those that have made something of themselves and worked in other countries would have done so regardless, always have, free movement exploited those that could not.

As long as you have cheap whores, then all is good in the world  , thriving on the misery of others 

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Absolute rubbish, there has been an influx from Thailand and South America since travel opened, even a few yanks.

If the EU is such a Utopia, why do immigrants and asylum seekers not settle there, they cross it with eyes closed and risk life to get here.

Why can you not accept some have made money here and settled back home with the money, or went home in the pandemic and decided to stay?

Open borders and free movement was invented to supply cheap non union labour to big business, the business the rule makers are invested in and to put local workers wages lower, no thought for the damage done to poorer nations that lose all their brains and brawn.
No thought about the conditions they live in, or them living on tinned Sardines, pasta and dry bread, Health and Safety is largely ignored and gang masters have thrived.

Those that have made something of themselves and worked in other countries would have done so regardless, always have, free movement exploited those that could not.

As long as you have cheap whores, then all is good in the world  , thriving on the misery of others 

Maybe Thais where you live but that doesn't make back the numbers lost from the EU.

Asylum seekers do go to Europe. They really come to here because English is the lingua franca and there are immigrant communities where they can settle down in.

The working conditions are better here than in other countries. Can you imagine how bad it would be for Czechs in Romania or Ukraine.

If your saying punting is better now than before brexit, well you would be one of scant few.

As for the cheap whores comment.  It's the quality that's also missing. One of the comments said British wgs are among the fattest in Europe. By all means support local produce, but nobody from Asia is flying here for sex tourism