Bernie loved Putin

[Thephoenix]

Clearly.
Like you know everything there is to know about Putin from BBC hit pieces by hack journos

You seem to be the expert for some reason.
Enlighten us!.... what are his qualities?

[Thephoenix]

and yet Labour membership went up when he was leader and down again when he was stabbed in the back

It's not the Labour membership or Union bigshots that win elections thank goodness.
We might have got the first Labour female PM.


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[Thephoenix]

It's not the Labour membership or Union bigshots that win elections thank goodness.
We might have got the first Labour female PM.


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I'm being led into another political comment 
Don't want to incur a ban.

[Lewwy]

and yet Labour membership went up when he was leader and down again when he was stabbed in the back

And that is relevant, why?

No one joins a political party these days who's remotely sane. You have to be be a bit unhinged, usually. Just means more of the lunatic radical left and gobby, self-entitled "right-on" students were joining - you don't seriously think he was attracting anyone remotely in touch with reality, do you? Also noteworthy that under his leadership Labour was absolutely shredded at the GE and lost seats which had never been anything other than red since their creation. 

[Lewwy]

Clearly.
Like you know everything there is to know about Putin from BBC hit pieces by hack journos

He's invaded his neighbour, a sovereign state, resulting in thousands of deaths on both sides. That's the biggest breech of international law - not to mention basic human decency - one could possibly imagine short of chucking nuclear weapons about.

To say that he is clearly deeply mentally unhinged is possibly the under statement of the millennia. Suffering from "Little Man Syndrome" is the least of his personality flaws, quite frankly. 

[Blackpool Rock]

And that is relevant, why?

No one joins a political party these days who's remotely sane. You have to be be a bit unhinged, usually. Just means more of the lunatic radical left and gobby, self-entitled "right-on" students were joining - you don't seriously think he was attracting anyone remotely in touch with reality, do you? Also noteworthy that under his leadership Labour was absolutely shredded at the GE and lost seats which had never been anything other than red since their creation.

As I recall when Labour were having their leadership campaign they only put Corbyn up as a candidate to keep the left of the party happy and never thought he stood a chance.
But then the Labour party membership suddenly shot up as for something like £2 you could get to vote on who became the party leader.
The rumour at the time was that a whole load of Tories got together and joined so that they could vote Corbyn as leader but basically knowing that he was unelectable by the population as a whole at a GE

I'm a Labour voter but couldn't stand Corbyn with his 1970's policies and agree he would have generally been a disaster

Got to hand it to the Tories if that's what did happen then they played a blinder

[Lewwy]

As I recall when Labour were having their leadership campaign they only put Corbyn up as a candidate to keep the left of the party happy and never thought he stood a chance.
But then the Labour party membership suddenly shot up as for something like £2 you could get to vote on who became the party leader.
The rumour at the time was that a whole load of Tories got together and joined so that they could vote Corbyn as leader but basically knowing that he was unelectable by the population as a whole at a GE

I'm a Labour voter but couldn't stand Corbyn with his 1970's policies and agree he would have generally been a disaster

Got to hand it to the Tories if that's what did happen then they played a blinder

Yeah, it was well accepted that that is what happened. I'm sure there were reports of the senior figures in Labour - along with the more rationally minded ones - trying to look for a way to change the rules as that was exactly what was happening.

[Jerboa]

Bernie, oh dear.!!
HMRC finally got you for potential fraud tax evasion 400m undeclared assets.
Too old to spend your last years in the Nick

Do we believe his positive remarks of Putin has any consequence of his prosecution? 

[lillythesavage]

Do we believe his positive remarks of Putin has any consequence of his prosecution?

Not a chance, the investigation would have started long before that.

[Lewwy]

Not a chance, the investigation would have started long before that.

Wasn't there a documentary/Newsnight thing on him being prosecuted in Germany for tax evasion? Figure was similar; something like 400m. I recall being surprised when it became clear that it wasn't the tax on 400 mil earnings he was evading - the tax was400m!!!

He basically got off by paying what was, to all intents and purposes, a legally sanctioned bribe.

[lillythesavage]

Wasn't there a documentary/Newsnight thing on him being prosecuted in Germany for tax evasion? Figure was similar; something like 400m. I recall being surprised when it became clear that it wasn't the tax on 400 mil earnings he was evading - the tax was400m!!!

He basically got off by paying what was, to all intents and purposes, a legally sanctioned bribe.

No idea but would not be surprised, or the 400 million being the tax figure HMRC are after, not the taxable value.

[WorcWarrior]

With two shabby daughters?

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Pretty sure the one on the right is on vs!! 

[mills_and_bhuna]

You seem to be the expert for some reason.
Enlighten us!.... what are his qualities?

I'm not the one claiming to be an expert.
But I've heard the words mad, insane, monster, psychopath, murderer, war criminal, etc. being bandied about.
And from people on here who seem to have a blind spot when it comes to spotting empire propaganda.
I don't think he's a demigod contrary to popular belief.
I think he's way more enlightened than MBS.
Or Netanyahu. Or Netanyahu. Or quite a few members of the Ukrainian government.
Guess who are NATO allies.......

[mills_and_bhuna]

 

And that is relevant, why?

No one joins a political party these days who's remotely sane. You have to be be a bit unhinged, usually. Just means more of the lunatic radical left and gobby, self-entitled "right-on" students were joining - you don't seriously think he was attracting anyone remotely in touch with reality, do you? Also noteworthy that under his leadership Labour was absolutely shredded at the GE and lost seats which had never been anything other than red since their creation.

as usual. A rant totally divorced from reality.
He was undermined by his own party. Emails proved this.
He was smeared by the press who amplified the Antisemitism BS. Helped by the security state.
His own party joined the fray stabbing him in the back.
Even his so-called supporters turned out to be imperialist hacks(Paul Mason).
If you shout lies long and loud enough they become reality.
Just as well we dodged that bullet though isn't it?
Only 200,000 deaths and billions of pounds funnelled to BoJos cronies for PPE which turned out to be a write off.
Subservience to Uncle Sam in his proxy war.
The health service run down in preparation for the vultures.
Inflation.
Strikes coming down the line.
Thanks Boris.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Do we believe his positive remarks of Putin has any consequence of his prosecution?

would we be surprised if so?

[mills_and_bhuna]

He's invaded his neighbour, a sovereign state, resulting in thousands of deaths on both sides. That's the biggest breech of international law - not to mention basic human decency - one could possibly imagine short of chucking nuclear weapons about.

To say that he is clearly deeply mentally unhinged is possibly the under statement of the millennia. Suffering from "Little Man Syndrome" is the least of his personality flaws, quite frankly.

Are you saying he was totally unprovoked?
That the Ukrainians were minding their own business?
That they weren't doing the US bidding?

[RedKettle]

Are you saying he was totally unprovoked?
That the Ukrainians were minding their own business?
That they weren't doing the US bidding?

Pretty much yes.

[Jerboa]

You seem to be the expert for some reason.
Enlighten us!.... what are his qualities?

The truth is the majority of what is reported on western media regarding what Putin has said is either a lie or nicely edited, always go to the source.
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[Thephoenix]

The truth is the majority of what is reported on western media regarding what Putin has said is either a lie or nicely edited, always go to the source.
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I used to occasionally watch RT before it was taken off air.
I particularly enjoyed the interview with the Russian agents about their sightseeing trip to Salisbury didn't you?

Just to confirm you're seriously telling me that the majority of what is reported on RT about Putin isn't 'nicely edited'?
Has there ever been ANY criticism of Putin on RT?

Our media can include daily attacks on our government and leaders with democratically elected opposition politicians allowed free speech without fear of reprisals.

Anyone with any sense will read between the lines in MSM reporting and be open minded,  but why is there so much obsessive criticism on here and yet little or no criticism of the Russian media.

If I had to choose between the imperfect BBC or the RT to provide me with fair reporting of international and domestic news I know which I'd pick.

The BBC even allows the clown of the Russian Ambassador to be regularly interviewed and spout is laughable prepared propaganda spiel.
Does that happen on RT?

For all it's imperfections and bias give me MSM (with a healthy pinch of salt & cynicism) any time.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Pretty much yes.

if after reading even a modicum of alternative news sources you can say that then there's no point  arguing with you.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Our media can include daily attacks on our government and leaders with democratically elected opposition politicians allowed free speech without fear of reprisals.

Anyone with any sense will read between the lines in MSM reporting and be open minded,  but why is there so much obsessive criticism on here and yet little or no criticism of the Russian media.

absolutely laughable. Democratically elected opposition.....a bit like the US where 99% of congress agree to sanctions, upping the military budget and sending arms to Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and Israel . A percentage which bears no relation to public support for these policies.
And we have Starmer . Enough said.

[Adoniron]

absolutely laughable. Democratically elected opposition.....a bit like the US where 99% of congress agree to sanctions, upping the military budget and sending arms to Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and Israel . A percentage which bears no relation to public support for these policies.
And we have Starmer . Enough said.

Well the electorate emphatically decided it didn't want Corbyn so yes now we have Starmer.

[Thephoenix]

absolutely laughable. Democratically elected opposition.....

Sorry are you talking about the democratically elected opposition in Russia or the absolutely laughable Corbyn/Abbot duo?

[RedKettle]

Do we believe his positive remarks of Putin has any consequence of his prosecution?

Christ you are so riven with your prejudices. No HMRC have been working on it for ages.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Well the electorate emphatically decided it didn't want Corbyn so yes now we have Starmer.

Well it did have a little 'help' in coming to that decision.
The 'left-wing 'press played their part.
The press who have the balls to admit they're right-wing played their part.
The Blair/Mandelson wing of the LabourParty (that still sounds weird calling these utter cunts representatives of the workers)did their bit by causing friction and setting small fires that Corbyn had to keep addressin.
Our wonderful secret service did their part by feeding little titbits to their minions in the press giving the impression to the more gullible members of the electorate (some of them clearly on this forum) that Kim Philby's love child was in charge of Labour.
All propaganda.
And propaganda can be very effective.
Otherwise they wouldn't spend all that money spreading it

[RedKettle]

if after reading even a modicum of alternative news sources you can say that then there's no point  arguing with you.

Perhaps you should try reading them with a more questioning frame of mind. Stop being so gullible.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Sorry are you talking about the democratically elected opposition in Russia or the absolutely laughable Corbyn/Abbot duo?

If you're so hung up on whether other countries have democracy I take it you'll be protesting about our close friendship and subservience to that beacon of democracy, Saudi Arabia.
And if Corbyn is laughable but you consider Johnston, Hunt, Rees-Mogg,  Truss, Dorries, Williamson, and Zahawi to be competent and trustworthy I really don't know what to say.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Perhaps you should try reading them with a more questioning frame of mind. Stop being so gullible.

I do. I read as much as I can from various sources.
I try to align their views with reality and identify contradictions in their reporting.
I try to ascertain their agenda.
I take note of which sources the media are trying to silence via demonetisation and algorithmic suppression.
When they ban or suspend a site for having a different opinion I ask myself why I as an adult can't be exposed to it.
I always bear in mind that some of these 'trusted' sources have lied, misled, suppressed, skewed, and misrepresented the news on multiple occasions.
And that particularly goes for government sources and especially when it comes to wars for regime change and control of resources and commodities.
I consistently find the mainstream press wanting.
Some sterling work comes out of the mainstream press but it is hidden under a shit load of guff.
As Jerboa said. They're lying bastards.
You should maybe take your own advice.
Put that quote of yours on a fridge magnet

[Thephoenix]

If you're so hung up on whether other countries have democracy I take it you'll be protesting about our close friendship and subservience to that beacon of democracy, Saudi Arabia.
And if Corbyn is laughable but you consider Johnston, Hunt, Rees-Mogg,  Truss, Dorries, Williamson, and Zahawi to be competent and trustworthy I really don't know what to say.

I'm sure you'll think of something.
....... How about "I'm always right and the British electorate are all thick for not voting for comrade Corbyn".

[Jerboa]

I used to occasionally watch RT before it was taken off air.
I particularly enjoyed the interview with the Russian agents about their sightseeing trip to Salisbury didn't you?

Just to confirm you're seriously telling me that the majority of what is reported on RT about Putin isn't 'nicely edited'?
Has there ever been ANY criticism of Putin on RT?

Our media can include daily attacks on our government and leaders with democratically elected opposition politicians allowed free speech without fear of reprisals.

Anyone with any sense will read between the lines in MSM reporting and be open minded,  but why is there so much obsessive criticism on here and yet little or no criticism of the Russian media.

If I had to choose between the imperfect BBC or the RT to provide me with fair reporting of international and domestic news I know which I'd pick.

The BBC even allows the clown of the Russian Ambassador to be regularly interviewed and spout is laughable prepared propaganda spiel.
Does that happen on RT?

For all it's imperfections and bias give me MSM (with a healthy pinch of salt & cynicism) any time.

Obviously RT has their pro Russian line, and they will be running propaganda, they must be good if Europe banned them, did you ever watch their documentaries on the Maidan and the Donbas revolt? Western media are very silent about 14,000 civilians killed in the Donbas since 2014, another inconvenient truth, when it's the wests ally targeting civilian areas.

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'm sure you'll think of something.
....... How about "I'm always right and the British electorate are all thick for not voting for comrade Corbyn".

how about "the British electorate are busy getting on with life and might appreciate not being lied to when they sit down to watch and read the news"?

[Lewwy]

Do we believe his positive remarks of Putin has any consequence of his prosecution?

Do you genuinely think that the IR starts false prosecution against some immensely wealthy chap in a matter of days due to some irrational political comments someone made? Really?   

[Lewwy]

as usual. A rant totally divorced from reality.
He was undermined by his own party. Emails proved this.
He was smeared by the press who amplified the Antisemitism BS. Helped by the security state.
His own party joined the fray stabbing him in the back.
Even his so-called supporters turned out to be imperialist hacks(Paul Mason).
If you shout lies long and loud enough they become reality.
Just as well we dodged that bullet though isn't it?
Only 200,000 deaths and billions of pounds funnelled to BoJos cronies for PPE which turned out to be a write off.
Subservience to Uncle Sam in his proxy war.
The health service run down in preparation for the vultures.
Inflation.
Strikes coming down the line.
Thanks Boris.

Divorced from reality?

I said; ...under his leadership Labour was absolutely shredded at the GE and lost seats which had never been anything other than red since their creation.

That is the reality of the situation. To say otherwise is absolutely untrue. You clearly inhabit some other "reality" to the actual real one.

Do you deny that Labour were absolutely shredded at the GE whilst under his leadership?

You are suggesting also that internal party emails caused the most catastrophic loss of ground in Labour history. If you believe that the good people of places like Blyth Valley (Blyth Valley ffs, literally the most "red" constituency ever) voted Tory due to some alleged internal emails you are clearly unhinged.

[Lewwy]

Are you saying he was totally unprovoked?
That the Ukrainians were minding their own business?
That they weren't doing the US bidding?

I honestly cannot believe that anyone who isn't being coerced or threatened into saying it is actually defending/justifying the invasion of a neighbour state that poses no threat to the invader what-so-ever. It's honestly mind boggling that anyone who can rationally assess a set of facts (but clearly you can't) can come to the conclusion that literally the most egregious contravention of international law, not to mention basic human decency, is at all justified in these circumstances. Tens of thousands of entirely innocent people have been killed, ffs! I honestly find it rather depressing - not to mention very sad - that anyone could actually think like that. Seriously mate, give your head a wobble and join regular society. You genuinely seem to have some sort of mental illness or personality disorder. Get help.

You bang on about "Imperialism" on the part of the west yet entirely fail to see that this is precisely what Putin is doing as regards Russia.

[Thephoenix]

I honestly cannot believe that anyone who isn't being coerced or threatened into saying it is actually defending/justifying the invasion of a neighbour state that poses no threat to the invader what-so-ever. It's honestly mind boggling that anyone who can rationally assess a set of facts (but clearly you can't) can come to the conclusion that literally the most egregious contravention of international law, not to mention basic human decency, is at all justified in these circumstances. Tens of thousands of entirely innocent people have been killed, ffs! I honestly find it rather depressing - not to mention very sad - that anyone could actually think like that. Seriously mate, give your head a wobble and join regular society. You genuinely seem to have some sort of mental illness or personality disorder. Get help.

You bang on about "Imperialism" on the part of the west yet entirely fail to see that this is precisely what Putin is doing as regards Russia.

Nice post but like scores of others it will just fly over his head, and eventually you'll get tired like the rest of us and give up.
One thing he's not short of is stamina so when when we've all given up or put him on ignore he'll happily believe he's won the argument.
Then eventually there'll only be the 3 amigos left to agree with each other until they eventually vanish up each others arseholes.

[Lewwy]

absolutely laughable. Democratically elected opposition.....a bit like the US where 99% of congress agree to sanctions, upping the military budget and sending arms to Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and Israel . A percentage which bears no relation to public support for these policies.
And we have Starmer . Enough said.

You do realise, do you not, that representatives are democratically elected to do a job of making decisions and are supposed to do so on the basis of their best judgement, conscience and lawfulness and not merely slavishly because they think it's what the fickle majority might want today? Modern democracies do not make every decision by referenda or opinion poll. Please tell you you know this.

[Lewwy]

Well it did have a little 'help' in coming to that decision.
The 'left-wing 'press played their part.
The press who have the balls to admit they're right-wing played their part.
The Blair/Mandelson wing of the LabourParty (that still sounds weird calling these utter cunts representatives of the workers)did their bit by causing friction and setting small fires that Corbyn had to keep addressin.
Our wonderful secret service did their part by feeding little titbits to their minions in the press giving the impression to the more gullible members of the electorate (some of them clearly on this forum) that Kim Philby's love child was in charge of Labour.
All propaganda.
And propaganda can be very effective.
Otherwise they wouldn't spend all that money spreading it

Yes, it had an election campaign, lawfully conducted according to the rules laid down in law. What is your point here?

I notice that you have avoided a rather important point about Comrade Korbyn that I mentioned before. As we all know, he attempted to physically violently assault a female journalist who was doing nothing but going about her lawful business. Do you think that a person who has such a lack of self control - not to mention clear tendencies towards unnecessary violence - should be allowed to become leader of the United Kingdom? Genuine question.

[Lewwy]

how about "the British electorate are busy getting on with life and might appreciate not being lied to when they sit down to watch and read the news"?

So Comrade Korbyn didn't try to physically attack someone in public and doesn't have a history of loosing his shit in interviews? That's quite some video editing there!

[Jerboa]

Do you genuinely think that the IR starts false prosecution against some immensely wealthy chap in a matter of days due to some irrational political comments someone made? Really?

No I don't, however it can be put on file ready to be used if someone gets out of line.

[Lewwy]

No I don't, however it can be put on file ready to be used if someone gets out of line.

Sorry mate but that's just conspiraloon nonsense. Five seconds rational thought would have you arriving at that conclusion. 

[RedKettle]

No I don't, however it can be put on file ready to be used if someone gets out of line.

I repeat you know nothing about the way HMRC works, you are talking out of your arse. Do you sweep your flat each day for listening devices and take other precautions against the all powerful secret state?

[King Nuts]

Do you sweep your flat each day for listening devices and take other precautions against the all powerful secret state?

I know I do. I thought everyone did.

[RedKettle]

I know I do. I thought everyone did.

 

[mills_and_bhuna]

Sorry mate but that's just conspiraloon nonsense. Five seconds rational thought would have you arriving at that conclusion.

says the guy who probably still thinks Putin got Trump elected 

[Lewwy]

says the guy who probably still thinks Putin got Trump elected 

Sorry but wtf are you actuly on about? Can you tell me where I've said that? That is just more conspiracy nonsense from weak minded morons so why would I believe it?
 

[RedKettle]

Sorry but wtf are you actuly on about? Can you tell me where I've said that? That is just more conspiracy nonsense from weak minded morons so why would I believe it?

M&B lumps everyone together who does not worship Russia and gives us all identical views.

[chrishornx]

Sorry but wtf are you actuly on about? Can you tell me where I've said that? That is just more conspiracy nonsense from weak minded morons so why would I believe it?

i am sure you haven't but that is his MO ...he makes such claims, creates a question mark and inevitability asks you to prove you didn't say it - he has slurred you and negates any chance you have of disproving his claim

nasty

[mills_and_bhuna]

Sorry but wtf are you actuly on about? Can you tell me where I've said that? That is just more conspiracy nonsense from weak minded morons so why would I believe it?

I did say probably.
If you saw through that bullshit good on you and I humbly apologise.
The American establishment seemed to believe it so much they impeached him.
And you have showed yourself willing to swallow the media nonsense on everything else.

[mills_and_bhuna]

i am sure you haven't but that is his MO ...he makes such claims, creates a question mark and inevitability asks you to prove you didn't say it - he has slurred you and negates any chance you have of disproving his claim

nasty

jeez. Why don't you rush round and give him some counselling.