The Politics Thread

[bigden40]

Most north sea oil is exported to get refined abroad. Does not come to the UK.

Whilst that’s true, refinery setups can be adapted to market conditions. 

Grangemouth, for much of its operation before closure, used to take North Sea crude through the Forties pipeline system into Kinneil. 

Our biggest issue, as I’ve said elsewhere, is our lack of refining capacity. We’ve gone from 18 refineries in the 70s to just 4 today.

[timsussex]

Whilst that’s true, refinery setups can be adapted to market conditions. 

Grangemouth, for much of its operation before closure, used to take North Sea crude through the Forties pipeline system into Kinneil. 

Our biggest issue, as I’ve said elsewhere, is our lack of refining capacity. We’ve gone from 18 refineries in the 70s to just 4 today.

IIRC the geology make it easier to pipe to Norway than Scotland even though a bit further

[Squire Haggard]

So our lack of any sensible border controls is down to Brexit? Behave!

 
We need to get out of the ECHR then we can say sorry we're full to the border crashers.

[TallnHung]

Please forgive my ignorance, but who are the band of Russian stooges?

Reading your posts, I'd also be interested to know which political party you support.

Russian stooges. 
Have you watched or read any news in the last 12 months?  Leader of Reform in Wales?  Harborne donor links to Russan State Media, Farage being a clear Putin fan, he has said it himself.  David Coburn, Yaxley Lennon on RT (Russian State TV -give it a watch).  Direct Action, a Russian funded social media 'influencer outlet' that started and amplified the Starmer Rent Boys story.
The Hansard Report on Russian influence in the UK is a scary read.

My political beliefs? 
Down the middle with a slight lean to the right if Im honest as I believe in equal opportunity rather than equal outcomes more that I do a wholly socialist view, but I also believe that a country and its people should be measured on how well it treats its most vulnerable and marginalised people.  Complicated isnt it and once you understand that complication thats where you find out who you really are.
Ive voted in the past for Labour and Conservatives nationally in the past and Lib Dems in local elections though never nationally, I just had a very good Lib Dem member of parliament for some time. 
I go on policy and who I think is the most trustworthy and will do best for the country and hope Democracy, with all its issues and problems, eventually gives us a better world.
Thats my hope at least even though I know as soon as they are in Parliament they all have a nose in a trough of some description. 

[TallnHung]

UK has a diesel shortage. If only they drill the North Sea. Its not about cost as that's global markets. But about relying on imports. USA will soon limit exports. But if the uk drilled north sea, Guess what they could have it.

Another bad Labour decision, Andy is taking his time to agree to it. Net Zero is dead and no one cares tbh about Net Zero.

Not only hard of thinking but you also can't do some simple research.
You do know Maggie Thatcher sold all offhsore drilling rights as part of the Oil and Gas (Enterprise) Act in 1982 dont you?
Which means what is drilled is owned by the largely foreign (mostly Norwegian, French and US) owned oil companies. 
Whilst the UK got a massive windfall when it was sold the underlying outcome was, unklike Norway that kept its sovereign oil reserves (Government Pension Fund Global) and now has a $2 trillion sovereign fund as a result, was a massibve long term loss of both fuel and monetary security as a result.
Andy Burnham was 12 at the time and can now do the fuck all about it.  Unless you want him to invade Norway, but TOTAL Energy, EXXOnMobil, Repsol and Centrica?   I'm sure he can find a few hundred trillion down the back of the sofa.  For Chriusts Sake even BP isnt British owned and that has British in the name!

Sadly your agenda wouldnt allow you to Google it though would it?

[TallnHung]

Well there should be anger. They tried to blow an army base up and get bail. No Tag is stopping them going out and blowing something else up and putting lives at risk.

What if the terrorist were caught and still  put on bail before 7 july, then still went ahead with their plan. There would be Anger. These lot will do the same, They know they are banged to rights. So will do what they want.  Terrorist/murders are high risk and are usually remanded in custody.

Would you be happy if a rapist/terrorist/murder was released into your community awaiting trial. Free to walk the same streets you are on daily. Free to carry out their crimes. I guess not.

Its not about Right wing being Angry. Most people would be angry at a terrorist being released into their community on bail. That too ones that wanted to target the army. The people who protect us

Its a shame for you and Farage though isnt it, they're British Nationals...  I bet youre hoping at least 1 is brown though!

[TallnHung]

So our lack of any sensible border controls is down to Brexit? Behave!

Our lack of ability to send them back to last safe port (Dublin Agreement) is all Brexit and Bojo's utter 'Get it done' fiasco.

[TallnHung]

We need to get out of the ECHR then we can say sorry we're full to the border crashers.

Which if these core ECHR rights (that you and I have too) would you like to see removed?

Article 2: Right to life
Article 3: Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour
Article 5: Right to liberty and security
Article 6: Right to a fair trial
Article 7: No punishment without law (prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties)
Article 8: Right to respect for private and family life, home, and correspondence
Article 9: Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Article 10: Freedom of expression
Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: Right to marry and found a family
Article 13: Right to an effective remedy before a national authority
Article 14: Prohibition of discrimination in the enjoyment of Convention rights
Article 15: Derogation in time of emergency
Article 16: Restrictions on political activity of aliens
Article 17: Prohibition of abuse of rights
Article 18: Limitation on use of restrictions on rights

Protocol 1, Article 1: Protection of property
Protocol 1, Article 2: Right to education
Protocol 1, Article 3: Right to free elections
Protocol 4, Article 1: Prohibition of imprisonment for debt
Protocol 4, Article 2: Freedom of movement
Protocol 4, Article 3: Prohibition of expulsion of nationals
Protocol 4, Article 4: Prohibition of collective expulsion of aliens
Protocol 6 & Protocol 13: Abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances
Protocol 7, Article 1: Procedural safeguards relating to expulsion of aliens
Protocol 7, Article 2: Right of appeal in criminal matters
Protocol 7, Article 3: Compensation for wrongful conviction
Protocol 7, Article 4: Right not to be tried or punished twice (ne bis in idem)
Protocol 7, Article 5: Equality between spouses
Protocol 12, Article 1: General prohibition of discrimination

I'm guessing its 1 or 2 of them but hey you throw the baby out with the bathwater and fuck all our rights whilst youre at it why dont you.
I quite like the majority of them if Im being honest!

[DastardlyDick]

The governments lack of planning is. If we had the North Sea, then we are not as reliant on USA/Hormuz etc

According to Offshore Energy UK (External Link/Members Only) we've taken around 93% of the extractable Oil & Gas from the North Sea, with a rough estimate of 218 million tonnes left in existing fields out to 2050 (source:- North Sea Transition Authority)
They're going to use them to store Carbon where possible.

[DastardlyDick]

Well there should be anger. They tried to blow an army base up and get bail. No Tag is stopping them going out and blowing something else up and putting lives at risk.

What if the terrorist were caught and still  put on bail before 7 july, then still went ahead with their plan. There would be Anger. These lot will do the same, They know they are banged to rights. So will do what they want.  Terrorist/murders are high risk and are usually remanded in custody.

Would you be happy if a rapist/terrorist/murder was released into your community awaiting trial. Free to walk the same streets you are on daily. Free to carry out their crimes. I guess not.

Its not about Right wing being Angry. Most people would be angry at a terrorist being released into their community on bail. That too ones that wanted to target the army. The people who protect us

Fairford is used by the USAF not UK Forces.
I see Farage has been on SM basically saying "I told you so" before  flapping his gums about the IRGC - such a shame (for him) that the alleged Terrorists  are all UK Nationals.

[Charliehutton]

Apparently three migrants - including a child - drowned today when a boat containing around a hundred migrants overturned in the Channel.

Given that nobody is going to try to stop them anyway, why not lay on some ferries so they can all make the crossing safely?

[Blackpool Rock]

So our lack of any sensible border controls is down to Brexit? Behave!

I'll agree things have been slacker than they should have been for decades however the fact still remains that Brexit meant we were no longer covered by the Dublin agreement so had no legal way to return illegal migrants.

Sorry but you and others do seem to like cherry picking what facts they acknowledge and what facts they ignore

[puntingking]

Very few politicians are likeable, politics is a cutthroat business at the end of the day. Of course he's saying all the right things, that's what politicians do, whether he delivers anything meaningful is another matter.

 

[Squire Haggard]

Which if these core ECHR rights (that you and I have too) would you like to see removed?

Article 2: Right to life
Article 3: Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour
Article 5: Right to liberty and security
Article 6: Right to a fair trial
Article 7: No punishment without law (prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties)
Article 8: Right to respect for private and family life, home, and correspondence
Article 9: Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Article 10: Freedom of expression
Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: Right to marry and found a family
Article 13: Right to an effective remedy before a national authority
Article 14: Prohibition of discrimination in the enjoyment of Convention rights
Article 15: Derogation in time of emergency
Article 16: Restrictions on political activity of aliens
Article 17: Prohibition of abuse of rights
Article 18: Limitation on use of restrictions on rights

Protocol 1, Article 1: Protection of property
Protocol 1, Article 2: Right to education
Protocol 1, Article 3: Right to free elections
Protocol 4, Article 1: Prohibition of imprisonment for debt
Protocol 4, Article 2: Freedom of movement
Protocol 4, Article 3: Prohibition of expulsion of nationals
Protocol 4, Article 4: Prohibition of collective expulsion of aliens
Protocol 6 & Protocol 13: Abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances
Protocol 7, Article 1: Procedural safeguards relating to expulsion of aliens
Protocol 7, Article 2: Right of appeal in criminal matters
Protocol 7, Article 3: Compensation for wrongful conviction
Protocol 7, Article 4: Right not to be tried or punished twice (ne bis in idem)
Protocol 7, Article 5: Equality between spouses
Protocol 12, Article 1: General prohibition of discrimination

I'm guessing its 1 or 2 of them but hey you throw the baby out with the bathwater and fuck all our rights whilst youre at it why dont you.
I quite like the majority of them if Im being honest!

Keep all of the above. At a glance, dont see the refugee part.
It was written in 1951 and the asylum part is being abused, designed after WW2 for refugees fleeing war.
Most of them are not fleeing war.
They travel through several safe countries to get here as well.

[puntingking]

I was quite impressed with his interview on Laura Kuenssberg in Liverpool, particularly his obvious commitment to trying to resolve the crisis in social care. If he can pull that off it will be a great achievement.
The position of Labour Prime Ministers is always a bit of a poisoned chalice with having to deal with the constant barrage from the right wing press on one side, and pressure from union barons and the hard left on the other.
On a personal level, I quite like the bloke and I wish him well.

 

[puntingking]

Nope dont like him. But thats obvious

He seems like a good guy to me. 

[TallnHung]

Keep all of the above. At a glance, dont see the refugee part.
It was written in 1951 and the asylum part is being abused, designed after WW2 for refugees fleeing war.
Most of them are not fleeing war.
They travel through several safe countries to get here as well.

Thats because you, like many others thanks to Farage and other rhetoric get ECHR mixed up with the UNHCR. 
Theyre different and its the UNHCR that grants Rights and Entitlements of Refugees and Asylum Seekers.
The one Farage dislikes in ECHR is Freedom of Movement but thats got no connection to Refugee or Asylum Rights.

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[Blackpool Rock]

Not only hard of thinking but you also can't do some simple research.
You do know Maggie Thatcher sold all offhsore drilling rights as part of the Oil and Gas (Enterprise) Act in 1982 dont you?
Which means what is drilled is owned by the largely foreign (mostly Norwegian, French and US) owned oil companies. 
Whilst the UK got a massive windfall when it was sold the underlying outcome was, unklike Norway that kept its sovereign oil reserves (Government Pension Fund Global) and now has a $2 trillion sovereign fund as a result, was a massibve long term loss of both fuel and monetary security as a result.
Andy Burnham was 12 at the time and can now do the fuck all about it.  Unless you want him to invade Norway, but TOTAL Energy, EXXOnMobil, Repsol and Centrica?   I'm sure he can find a few hundred trillion down the back of the sofa.  For Chriusts Sake even BP isnt British owned and that has British in the name!

Sadly your agenda wouldnt allow you to Google it though would it?

Yeah that cunt is the start of most of the countries current problems with her short term policies selling off everything below market value resulting in a lack of long term investment, meanwhile the profits were shared out among the super rich.
A lot of the current housing issues are down to her selling council housing stock dirt cheap but crucially not reinvesting the money raised to build more new houses 

And people keep moaning that Brown sold off a bit of Gold 

[puntingking]

Farage

Get your head out of the clouds mate. Any Mp with 12 jobs is not interested in people like you or ordinary members of the public.

[webpunter]

I see Farage has been on SM basically saying "I told you so" before  flapping his gums about the IRGC - such a shame (for him) that the alleged Terrorists  are all UK Nationals.

Given that 👁️ran are denying any involvement [they would say that] i would wager that whilst they may be UK Nationals that they aren't white
Working on the basis that either they or their parents were born abroad & have somehow got the right to remain or citizenship this IMO does not make them British
That there have been weak border controls for decades is the problem
They arrive legally or illegally then end up getting citizenship & no doubt a british passport
Lets see whether the rozzers / security services release details of those arrested [who have now been released]
When whoever it is are white they have a race to get this info out at the earliest opportunity & when they're not they drag this out as long as they can

Its the same for a man in Luton last month who attacked a woman with a knife & an armed response unit arrived
Shot him four times
Apparently life changing injuries which irrespective of his colour nationality pleases me as he's a cunt for attacking the woman 
Lets see if the rozzers release any details ...

 

[Squire Haggard]

Thats because you, like many others thanks to Farage and other rhetoric get ECHR mixed up with the UNHCR. 
Theyre different and its the UNHCR that grants Rights and Entitlements of Refugees and Asylum Seekers.
The one Farage dislikes in ECHR is Freedom of Movement but thats got no connection to Refugee or Asylum Rights.

Its got fuck all to do with ''Farage's rhetoric'' or anyone else for that matter.
Do the Green baboons do your thinking for you?
My point is that the refugee and asylum system is being abused daily on a huge scale.
 

[TallnHung]

Its got fuck all to do with ''Farage's rhetoric'' or anyone else for that matter.
Do the Green baboons do your thinking for you?
My point is that the refugee and asylum system is being abused daily on a huge scale.
 

So you meant the UNHCR not the ECHR.  Just say that if thats the case, its a simple easy mistake.

 Oh look another one.  Thinks anyone that disagrees with Shitler, Tommy and Tommo must be a vegetable chomping surrender monkey.
I suggest you read back less than a page for my actual views on politics and where I sit.  Then maybe, just maybe you'll be ready to believe there is no black and white and life is all one or other shade of grey!

[DastardlyDick]

Given that 👁️ran are denying any involvement [they would say that] i would wager that whilst they may be UK Nationals that they aren't white
Working on the basis that either they or their parents were born abroad & have somehow got the right to remain or citizenship this IMO does not make them British
That there have been weak border controls for decades is the problem
They arrive legally or illegally then end up getting citizenship & no doubt a british passport
Lets see whether the rozzers / security services release details of those arrested [who have now been released]
When whoever it is are white they have a race to get this info out at the earliest opportunity & when they're not they drag this out as long as they can

Its the same for a man in Luton last month who attacked a woman with a knife & an armed response unit arrived
Shot him four times
Apparently life changing injuries which irrespective of his colour nationality pleases me as he's a cunt for attacking the woman 
Lets see if the rozzers release any details ...

They won't give details about any of them unless and until they've been convicted. The guy with the knife probably won't see jail time - "life changing injuries" means he cannot live independently, and I doubt they'd find a carer willing to do time with him.

[TallnHung]

They won't give details about any of them unless and until they've been convicted. The guy with the knife probably won't see jail time - "life changing injuries" means he cannot live independently, and I doubt they'd find a carer willing to do time with him.

Wouldnt it be funny if the other theory of 'They were after the diesel' came about to be true?
I mean after all its not often actual terrorists are let off on bail.  I think this story has quite some time to run before all the truth comes out.
Wont stop some trying to turn it into terrorists who came over on a baot in the meantime though.

[Squire Haggard]

Oh look another one.  Thinks anyone that disagrees with Shitler, Tommy and Tommo must be a vegetable chomping surrender monkey.
I suggest you read back less than a page for my actual views on politics and where I sit.  Then maybe, just maybe you'll be ready to believe there is no black and white and life is all one or other shade of grey!

Where did I say that?

Another insult about ''what I think,'' after the one about Farage's rhetoric.

[webpunter]

Its got fuck all to do with ''Farage's rhetoric'' or anyone else for that matter.
Do the Green baboons do your thinking for you?
My point is that the refugee and asylum system is being abused daily on a huge scale.
 

When they're here its been widely reported that they get coached to pass the supposed tests
Anyone who is even mildly supportive of or who doesn't push back against illegal immigration needs their heads examining
Its never going to happen however the only way that illegal migration will begin to reduce is if those travelling know that if & when they get caught they will be returned to wherever they were born or came from
End of
& in the intervening period they'll be held in a shit hole old military base with security beefed up such that there is zero chance of escape
All the bollocks excuses given its tedious some of the mislamics pretend they are gay saying that they face persecution in their home country
They need to be returned on special flights identifying when landing that those on board have said that they are benders, hope it goes well for them 

We don't just need zero illegal migration its net zero which means kicking out as many of the illegals as possible who are already here & hurry the fuck up

[Squire Haggard]

When they're here its been widely reported that they get coached to pass the supposed tests
Anyone who is even mildly supportive of or who doesn't push back against illegal immigration needs their heads examining
Its never going to happen however the only way that illegal migration will begin to reduce is if those travelling know that if & when they get caught they will be returned to wherever they were born or came from
End of
& in the intervening period they'll be held in a shit hole old military base with security beefed up such that there is zero chance of escape
All the bollocks excuses given its tedious some of the mislamics pretend they are gay saying that they face persecution in their home country
They need to be returned on special flights identifying when landing that those on board have said that they are benders, hope it goes well for them 

We don't just need zero illegal migration its net zero which means kicking out as many of the illegals as possible who are already here & hurry the fuck up

There was a manpower shortage after WW2 and we had a lot of migrants then.
I dont know all the details but I assume they were documented unlike some of todays.
We controlled the numbers then, as far as I know.
I dont know how many are undocumented and the government are not going to say.

Today is different because we cant stop the border crashers.
Most are young males in or slightly above the 18-24 age group.
What are they going to be doing when they get here? Join the NEETS?

As of April to June 2026, there are approximately 981,000 young people aged 16 to 24 years in the UK who are Not in Education, Employment, or Training (NEET)

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[Charliehutton]

Yeah that cunt is the start of most of the countries current problems.....

  She was booted out more than thirty five years ago!

[webpunter]

There was a manpower shortage after WW2 and we had a lot of migrants then.
I dont know all the details but I assume they were documented unlike some of todays.
We controlled the numbers then, as far as I know.
I dont know how many are undocumented and the government are not going to say.

Today is different because we cant stop the border crashers.
Most are young males in or slightly above the 18-24 age group.
What are they going to be doing when they get here? Join the NEETS?

As of April to June 2026, there are approximately 981,000 young people aged 16 to 24 years in the UK who are Not in Education, Employment, or Training (NEET)

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Entirely different
The country needed them hence why a proactive approach taken
In any event large numbers were from the british colonies so british 'ish' of sorts anyways
It is also the case that large numbers of non white people from the colonies fought died or were injured in WW2
I do hope that those who wanted to after receiving medical care if here were able to stay should they have wanted to plus others returning here before the journey home the same

[Punting2022]

are these the same terrorist police that arrest 80 year old white english RAF war veterans in trafalgar square ?

They should arrest the free palestine causing issues all the time

[Punting2022]

We need to get out of the ECHR then we can say sorry we're full to the border crashers.

Reform and torries will

[Punting2022]

Its a shame for you and Farage though isnt it, they're British Nationals...  I bet youre hoping at least 1 is brown though!

British but didnt say the religion. We know what they are. British nationals with links to iran sleeper cells

[Massagemanmr]

They should arrest the free palestine causing issues all the time

exactly how dare the RAF war veterans protest , Israel interest MUST come before British interests always .

If you don't agree ..... You're anti semetic ! 

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[Blackpool Rock]

She was booted out more than thirty five years ago!

Her legacy runs through the country like a stick of rock, you don't feel that she shaped / reshaped the country massively and that we're all now living in Thatchers Britain 

BTW I don't think everything she did was bad however IMO she did more bad than good in the long run 

[Thephoenix]

Russian stooges. 
Have you watched or read any news in the last 12 months?  Leader of Reform in Wales?  Harborne donor links to Russan State Media, Farage being a clear Putin fan, he has said it himself.  David Coburn, Yaxley Lennon on RT (Russian State TV -give it a watch).  Direct Action, a Russian funded social media 'influencer outlet' that started and amplified the Starmer Rent Boys story.
The Hansard Report on Russian influence in the UK is a scary read.

My political beliefs? 
Down the middle with a slight lean to the right if Im honest as I believe in equal opportunity rather than equal outcomes more that I do a wholly socialist view, but I also believe that a country and its people should be measured on how well it treats its most vulnerable and marginalised people.  Complicated isnt it and once you understand that complication thats where you find out who you really are.
Ive voted in the past for Labour and Conservatives nationally in the past and Lib Dems in local elections though never nationally, I just had a very good Lib Dem member of parliament for some time. 
I go on policy and who I think is the most trustworthy and will do best for the country and hope Democracy, with all its issues and problems, eventually gives us a better world.
Thats my hope at least even though I know as soon as they are in Parliament they all have a nose in a trough of some description.

Thanks for your response.
You seem like a sensible chap.

[TallnHung]

Where did I say that?

Another insult about ''what I think,'' after the one about Farage's rhetoric.

You said do the green baboons do your thinking for you?  Assumed I was a Green.  Direct quote.

[TallnHung]

British but didnt say the religion. We know what they are. British nationals with links to iran sleeper cells

And you know that from where exactly?  Oh I know Farage's tweet.

[Punting2022]

And you know that from where exactly?  Oh I know Farage's tweet.

There were pics of the suspects. Its pretty ovs what they were.
Trump and others are surprised they got bail. Too right. Security risk. They may not attack. But they can organise one being out

[Punting2022]

How low can labour sink and go

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[john122350]

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[sparkus]

How low can labour sink and go

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I wouldn't kick her out of bed TBF.

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Great, I look foreard to 2027 and a convivial atmosphere of enjoying the female form strolling and enjoying themselves in the centre of one of the world's greatest metropolises.  As opposed to being shoehorned onto two strips of pavement dodging buses.

[bigden40]

Which if these core ECHR rights (that you and I have too) would you like to see removed?

Article 2: Right to life
Article 3: Prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Article 4: Prohibition of slavery and forced labour
Article 5: Right to liberty and security
Article 6: Right to a fair trial
Article 7: No punishment without law (prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties)
Article 8: Right to respect for private and family life, home, and correspondence
Article 9: Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Article 10: Freedom of expression
Article 11: Freedom of assembly and association
Article 12: Right to marry and found a family
Article 13: Right to an effective remedy before a national authority
Article 14: Prohibition of discrimination in the enjoyment of Convention rights
Article 15: Derogation in time of emergency
Article 16: Restrictions on political activity of aliens
Article 17: Prohibition of abuse of rights
Article 18: Limitation on use of restrictions on rights

Protocol 1, Article 1: Protection of property
Protocol 1, Article 2: Right to education
Protocol 1, Article 3: Right to free elections
Protocol 4, Article 1: Prohibition of imprisonment for debt
Protocol 4, Article 2: Freedom of movement
Protocol 4, Article 3: Prohibition of expulsion of nationals
Protocol 4, Article 4: Prohibition of collective expulsion of aliens
Protocol 6 & Protocol 13: Abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances
Protocol 7, Article 1: Procedural safeguards relating to expulsion of aliens
Protocol 7, Article 2: Right of appeal in criminal matters
Protocol 7, Article 3: Compensation for wrongful conviction
Protocol 7, Article 4: Right not to be tried or punished twice (ne bis in idem)
Protocol 7, Article 5: Equality between spouses
Protocol 12, Article 1: General prohibition of discrimination

I'm guessing its 1 or 2 of them but hey you throw the baby out with the bathwater and fuck all our rights whilst youre at it why dont you.
I quite like the majority of them if Im being honest!

Do you think these rights did not exist in British law before joining the Convention, or would not exist if we left it?

[Vice Admiral]

The reason that Peter Brookes – who I see from Wikipedia turned 83 yesterday – is the doyen of Times political cartoonists is partly the quality and allure of his draughtsmanship and partly the way he so often catches the essence of an issue or a personality.

His cartoon in yesterday’s paper seems to me a clever and accurate take on “Burnhamism” (although I don’t think he’s quite got Burnham’s “look”).

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[Blackpool Rock]

Do you think these rights did not exist in British law before joining the Convention, or would not exist if we left it?

So why get rid of it then   

[bigden40]

So why get rid of it then   

Why don’t you try and dig a bit and see if you can answer that question?  You might actually learn something.

[Blackpool Rock]

Why don’t you try and dig a bit and see if you can answer that question?  You might actually learn something.

Why don't you just answer my question 

You've implied that all the rights of that act were already in place in this country before it existed and would still be in place if we left, so it was a simple question why leave, I mean if your point is correct then there's no advantage to leaving is there 

[Followyourdick]

Farage

This was quoted in answer to the question so who do you like?

I thought I would just dig a bit and see what he is really like, well guess what he really is the slimeball I thought he was.

So P 2022, what is you like about him?

Is it that whilst he was at Dulwich College he called other students the N word, and/or Pakis.  Said Hitler was right and made hissing sounds to imitate gas chambers.  Marched through the streets singing Hitler youth songs.
Or is it that when he was an MEP and on the fisheries committee he attended 1 out of 42 meetings.
Maybe because when he was an MEP he claimed £15k x's for an office which he didn't pay anything for, a few other misdemeanours which led to him £35k deducted from his EU salary due to "misspent EU funds" and he said I can spend it as I see fit (hmmm that sounds familiar)
Since becoming an MP he has breached the MP's code of conduct 17 times.
Whilst slagging off tax avoiders he set up a trust fund in an offshore tax haven.
I nearly forgot the £5m bung for his personal use that's none of anybody else's business, that was for his security.....or was it as a reward for campaigning for Brexit, the story changed that often I can't remember.
Then there is the property questions, £1.4m cash for a house that was bought with his fee from I'm a sleb, but how come the money was still in the company accounts?  £885k for a house in Clacton that Farage bought but but but it's in his girlfriends name?
Oh and of course then he was caught trying to get donations illegally from overseas donors, but they didn't do anything wrong (erm only because they got caught whilst eating oysters and drinking Champagne).
Not an exhaustive list by the way.

So just remind me again P2022 what is it exactly about man of the people Nigel you like?