The Politics Thread

[Blackpool Rock]

I didn’t watch him anywhere.  Just observing that regardless of what the WH press pool, or wider MSM does, he’s still going to be covered.

Yes i'm sure that his every move will be filmed by someone however if that message isn't getting seen / heard by a large chunk of people then that's not what he wants, part of his USP is the fact that he's constantly on the news giving his POV but this will starve him of oxygen.

I believe that yesterday was scheduled to be CNN doing the filming however they are banned and everyone decided not to step in as cover, i'm thinking that today should be business as usual if it's scheduled to be someone else who isn't banned 

[Frostingthebowl]

Yes i'm sure that his every move will be filmed by someone however if that message isn't getting seen / heard by a large chunk of people then that's not what he wants, part of his USP is the fact that he's constantly on the news giving his POV but this will starve him of oxygen.

I believe that yesterday was scheduled to be CNN doing the filming however they are banned and everyone decided not to step in as cover, i'm thinking that today should be business as usual if it's scheduled to be someone else who isn't banned 

I get that it will give him less coverage, but a lot of people dont watch MSN anymore for this kind of thing.  Youtube and the likes are king now.

Either way, people will watch and share him whether out of love or hate.

[Punting2022]

So you don't need statistics.
And you can tell the difference between 2024 and 2026 purely by observation.
And not just that.
The quantitative difference between the change from 2022-24 and the change from 2024-26.
But I'm sure Nigel will fix it.

You dont need statistics. You can see with your eyes. Walk in any centre a lot more somalis around, a lot more afghans, hijabi ladies.

In fact walking through london i hear more arabic then english in the street when people converse

[Frostingthebowl]

You dont need statistics. You can see with your eyes. Walk in any centre a lot more somalis around, a lot more afghans, hijabi ladies.

In fact walking through london i hear more arabic then english in the street when people converse

Its the same when you go to places like burnley, bolton, preston, northampton and nottingham to name a few.

[RedKettle]

Perhaps you didn't read the article he posted, about a woman dragged from a street in Chelsea. She ended up with thirty three bruises and was 'treated like a rag doll' during the rape, but he hadn't finished there; he followed her to hospital because he wanted to 'get at her again'.

There were no cars or houses burnt, just a woman and her family left devastated.

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

[RedKettle]

Its the same when you go to places like burnley, bolton, preston, northampton and nottingham to name a few.

Have you even been to Nottingham? I live here and you are talking crap.

[Frostingthebowl]

Have you even been to Nottingham? I live here and you are talking crap.

I have. The part i went through (a few years ago admittedly) was like the bazaar in aladin.

[Charliehutton]

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

Much of which I agree with, albeit it's completely irrelevant to my post. All the OP did was post a newspaper crime report, without additional comment.

[DastardlyDick]

I didn’t watch him anywhere.  Just observing that regardless of what the WH press pool, or wider MSM does, he’s still going to be covered.

I guess he'll still have CSPAN - they have to give him coverage, but the likes of ABC, CBS etc don't have to take their output.

[Doc Holliday]

I have. The part i went through (a few years ago admittedly) was like the bazaar in aladin.

Have you been to Aladdin? 

[Frostingthebowl]

Have you been to Aladdin? 

I have. In english it translates to 'nottingham'.

[scutty brown]

Have you been to Aladdin? 

A lad in?
Is that a gay brothel?

[mills_and_bhuna]

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

Credit where it's due.
A well balanced post 

[mills_and_bhuna]

A lad in?
Is that a gay brothel?

I think you need to get your coat.?
Don't give up the day job........ ;)b

[sparkus]

I think you need to get your coat.?
Don't give up the day job........ ;)b

It's a 90s joke, usually about two semi-closeted entertainers, weighing up what video to get out from Blockbusters that night.

[RedKettle]

I have. The part i went through (a few years ago admittedly) was like the bazaar in aladin.

I am calling bullshit. Lived here on and off most of my life and had a job that involved moving around the city. You are talking crap.

[RedKettle]

Credit where it's due.
A well balanced post 

   Cheers

Going to sit down and recover now.

[Frostingthebowl]

I am calling bullshit. Lived here on and off most of my life and had a job that involved moving around the city. You are talking crap.

Im not lying, but believe what you want.

[Punting2022]

Trumps speech whilst the Iranian delegate was watching was pure class. Good on Him.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Trumps speech whilst the Iranian delegate was watching was pure class. Good on Him.

Imagine being so divorced from reality that the ramblings of an  imbecile impresses you.
Sad.

[Charliehutton]

Good performance from Burnham in his press conference with Trump...never easy, but he did well, I thought.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Trumps speech whilst the Iranian delegate was watching was pure class. Good on Him.

And just to add. The speech by Pezeshkian was 100% on the money.

[Punting2022]

And just to add. The speech by Pezeshkian was 100% on the money.

Didnt listen to him. Only time i will watch him on tv is his funeral.

[Punting2022]

3 coach fulls ffs

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[mills_and_bhuna]

Didnt listen to him. Only time i will watch him on tv is his funeral.

Hopefully he will outlive the orange paedo.

[RedKettle]

Im not lying, but believe what you want.

It is not a case of believing it is knowing from daily experience of the city over years.  You are not telling the truth.

[Frostingthebowl]

It is not a case of believing it is knowing from daily experience of the city over years.  You are not telling the truth.

I have my experiences and you have yours. Im not lying.

[Jerboa]

The fact immigration is getting lower under this government and they are dealing faster with asylum claims just passes you by.

If you think granting wholesale asylum to the majority who come, and then only actually deporting those who volunteer to go home with a few grand, as successful I wouldn't agree.

[Jerboa]

Show me a post where I apologised for an immigrant rape, you ignorant prick.
I'm just showing how there are no riots when it's indigenous scumbags but cars and houses burn and worse life savers are called traitors when they're imported ones.

You go tell the white rape victims they don't count because you, Tommy and all the other fuckwit wife beaters would rather have a rumble than find a way of dealing with it.

What part of, if these illegals weren't in our country, they couldn't commit crimes don't you grasp? We have enough of our own scumbags, we don't need to import thousands, that's what gets folks angry.

[DastardlyDick]

What part of, if these illegals weren't in our country, they couldn't commit crimes don't you grasp? We have enough of our own scumbags, we don't need to import thousands, that's what gets folks angry.

So you're saying it's OK to rape brown or black skinned women, but not white women?

[TallnHung]

Perhaps you didn't read the article he posted, about a woman dragged from a street in Chelsea. She ended up with thirty three bruises and was 'treated like a rag doll' during the rape, but he hadn't finished there; he followed her to hospital because he wanted to 'get at her again'.

There were no cars or houses burnt, just a woman and her family left devastated.

Maybe you didn't read mine.
Midlands bloke.  Drugged his wife so she could be gang raped. Lasted 20 years. 
But yeah great job on reading both and having a balanced view. 

In both cases they should go to hell for what they did.   You also missed that part. 

Thought you weren't engaging with me anyway?

[TallnHung]

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

Exactly this. Thanks RK for taking the time and effort to put it in way better words than I've managed.

[TallnHung]

Didnt listen to him. Only time i will watch him on tv is his funeral.

There's a balanced individual willing to see both sides 😂😂😂

[TallnHung]

So you're saying it's OK to rape brown or black skinned women, but not white women?

He's not saying anything, well of any sense anywyay. 
He will say he means something else soon, it's the Farage/Tommy playbook 'You're taking my actual words and using them against me, your words have hurt me as I'm such a snowflake under any soet of considered scrutiny'.  Ring any bells?

[Punting2022]

Danny Tommothe legend has slashed a dingy. Patroling the english Chanel.
Need more like him around.

[RedKettle]

I have my experiences and you have yours. Im not lying.

You claim to have been here once several years ago and based on that can comment on the whole city. You maintain that despite testimony from someone who has lived here for the majority of the last 50 plus years and worked throughout the city. You are either lying, have a dubious memory and/ or are a little hard of thinking.

I do not really know the other cities you mention but have been in several of them more than you appear to have been in Nottingham, and more recently. On that basis I could call you out on those as well, but I tend to avoid making claims unless I know they are right.

[RedKettle]

What part of, if these illegals weren't in our country, they couldn't commit crimes don't you grasp? We have enough of our own scumbags, we don't need to import thousands, that's what gets folks angry.

Where is the evidence that thousands of them are violent or sexual criminals? Do you have any data on the proportion of illegal immigrants that are such criminals? Data not individual stories from around the world.

You may be right by the way, I do not have that data. So here is your chance.

[Punting2022]

You claim to have been here once several years ago and based on that can comment on the whole city. You maintain that despite testimony from someone who has lived here for the majority of the last 50 plus years and worked throughout the city. You are either lying, have a dubious memory and/ or are a little hard of thinking.

I do not really know the other cities you mention but have been in several of them more than you appear to have been in Nottingham, and more recently. On that basis I could call you out on those as well, but I tend to avoid making claims unless I know they are right.

Nottingham is one of thos overrun towns. I visited a w hore there once. Streets were full of migrants, rubbish everywhere.
Birmingham is somali r us whic i had to pass through.

Only clean place in midlands is leam and warwick tbh

[Punting2022]

Hopefully he will outlive the orange paedo.

Long live trump.

[RedKettle]

Nottingham is one of thos overrun towns. I visited a w hore there once. Streets were full of migrants, rubbish everywhere.
Birmingham is somali r us whic i had to pass through.

Only clean place in midlands is leam and warwick tbh

Given that you repeat made up stories all the time your support for the liar really does not count. Nice that you try and support your far right mate.

[sparkus]

Long live trump.

Given his age and weight, the prognosis wouldn't support this.

Your best bet is LLM and a hologram.

[Blackpool Rock]

Danny Tommothe legend has slashed a dingy. Patroling the english Chanel.
Need more like him around.

Is that the dinghy that the rescue worker was on 

I'll be totally honest here as i've just read 2 articles on this and the one from GB Views News presses the point that the rescue worker wasn't on the dinghy at the point of it being slashed however the other article from The Guardian talks about a rescue worker being on board as Danny Tommo pulls alongside and then starts to slash the dinghy

Watch the video and clearly the rescue worker has stepped on board the dinghy "BEFORE" it starts to get slashed, just watched the video again and the rescue worker is onboard for at least 4 seconds before it's slashed and walks right in front of him so there's no way he couldn't have seen him or been aware of his presence   

I'm hoping that "Tommo" gets fucked for this and it won't help his case that he's already got a previous conviction for knife crime, nice guy eh 

Meanwhile all Tommo's fanboys were protesting at Gosport but the migrants were taken to Dover 

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[Private Parts]

IMHO
Tommo's boys are as thick as shit.
Trying to reason with them is like talking to plankton.

I'm not sure why i rose to the bait,
But I've got it off my chest. Thanks for listening 
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[Charliehutton]

Where is the evidence that thousands of them are violent or sexual criminals? Do you have any data on the proportion of illegal immigrants that are such criminals? Data not individual stories from around the world.

You may be right by the way, I do not have that data. So here is your chance.

His second sentence was ill considered, but it's difficult to argue with his first.

What we do know is that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else. The Home Office themselves have acknowledged this. How much more likely is a matter of conjecture.

But some people seem to consider that even pointing this out is somehow an incitement to violence. Once we have to start suppressing facts, for fear of the response, we're on a slippery slope.

[Jomoore]

But some people seem to consider that even pointing this out is somehow an incitement to violence. Once we have to start suppressing facts, for fear of the response, we're on a slippery slope.

100% 

[Doc Holliday]

What we do know is that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else. The Home Office themselves have acknowledged this. How much more likely is a matter of conjecture.

The Home Office have not acknowledged that, as there is no reliable historical data to support it. Can you supply otherwise?

There is some often incomplete data on the ethnicity of individuals charged with sexual offences. This includes that Foreign Nationals may comprise a higher rate of those in UK prisons (per head of the general population) but data on their immigration status ie legal or illegal has simply not been held, though plans are in place to change this 

[RedKettle]

His second sentence was ill considered, but it's difficult to argue with his first.

What we do know is that illegal immigrants are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else. The Home Office themselves have acknowledged this. How much more likely is a matter of conjecture.

But some people seem to consider that even pointing this out is somehow an incitement to violence. Once we have to start suppressing facts, for fear of the response, we're on a slippery slope.

I gave my views at « Reply #24754 on: Yesterday at 09:46:29 am »

I don't think anybody is suppressing facts because generally it is not facts that are being used - it is made up shit like the comment I replied to.

A proper debate of the issues with an aim to find a solution and build consensus would be fantastic, but is not going to happen.  Too many on the far right are using it as a method to build their reputation, power and money.  There is a middle ground which involves getting a grip on the issue whilst taking the huge benefits of controlled migration - but the extremists on both sides make it near impossible for any government to get there.

[Doc Holliday]

I gave my views at « Reply #24754 on: Yesterday at 09:46:29 am »

I don't think anybody is suppressing facts because generally it is not facts that are being used - it is made up shit like the comment I replied to.

A proper debate of the issues with an aim to find a solution and build consensus would be fantastic, but is not going to happen.  Too many on the far right are using it as a method to build their reputation, power and money.  There is a middle ground which involves getting a grip on the issue whilst taking the huge benefits of controlled migration - but the extremists on both sides make it near impossible for any government to get there.

One of the problems is around the discussion of rape/sexual assault.

In circa 85% of such cases the offender is known to the female victim. (lower for male victims) This is usually a partner or ex partner or other family member.

It is possible that such cases are higher within certain minority ethnic communities?

However the concept of 'stranger' rape and that women are being increasingly raped on our streets/parks by large numbers of illegal immigrants is not supported by any data and is being used as a political tool for maximum effect

[mills_and_bhuna]

Given his age and weight, the prognosis wouldn't support this.

Your best bet is LLM and a hologram.

I'm guessing Vance is stocking up on Presidential eyeliner as we speak.
Peter Thiel's puppet

[Charliehutton]

I gave my views at « Reply #24754 on: Yesterday at 09:46:29 am »

I don't think anybody is suppressing facts because generally it is not facts that are being used - it is made up shit like the comment I replied to.

A proper debate of the issues with an aim to find a solution and build consensus would be fantastic, but is not going to happen.  Too many on the far right are using it as a method to build their reputation, power and money.  There is a middle ground which involves getting a grip on the issue whilst taking the huge benefits of controlled migration - but the extremists on both sides make it near impossible for any government to get there.

Just to be clear, I've no argument with any of that. The idea that our streets are full of illegal immigrant criminals is preposterous. But in suppressing all the bullshit, we must be careful not to suppress the facts at the same time. Hardly a contentious point, I'd have thought.