The Politics Thread

[Blackpool Rock]

I didn’t watch him anywhere.  Just observing that regardless of what the WH press pool, or wider MSM does, he’s still going to be covered.

Yes i'm sure that his every move will be filmed by someone however if that message isn't getting seen / heard by a large chunk of people then that's not what he wants, part of his USP is the fact that he's constantly on the news giving his POV but this will starve him of oxygen.

I believe that yesterday was scheduled to be CNN doing the filming however they are banned and everyone decided not to step in as cover, i'm thinking that today should be business as usual if it's scheduled to be someone else who isn't banned 

[Frostingthebowl]

Yes i'm sure that his every move will be filmed by someone however if that message isn't getting seen / heard by a large chunk of people then that's not what he wants, part of his USP is the fact that he's constantly on the news giving his POV but this will starve him of oxygen.

I believe that yesterday was scheduled to be CNN doing the filming however they are banned and everyone decided not to step in as cover, i'm thinking that today should be business as usual if it's scheduled to be someone else who isn't banned 

I get that it will give him less coverage, but a lot of people dont watch MSN anymore for this kind of thing.  Youtube and the likes are king now.

Either way, people will watch and share him whether out of love or hate.

[Punting2022]

So you don't need statistics.
And you can tell the difference between 2024 and 2026 purely by observation.
And not just that.
The quantitative difference between the change from 2022-24 and the change from 2024-26.
But I'm sure Nigel will fix it.

You dont need statistics. You can see with your eyes. Walk in any centre a lot more somalis around, a lot more afghans, hijabi ladies.

In fact walking through london i hear more arabic then english in the street when people converse

[Frostingthebowl]

You dont need statistics. You can see with your eyes. Walk in any centre a lot more somalis around, a lot more afghans, hijabi ladies.

In fact walking through london i hear more arabic then english in the street when people converse

Its the same when you go to places like burnley, bolton, preston, northampton and nottingham to name a few.

[RedKettle]

Perhaps you didn't read the article he posted, about a woman dragged from a street in Chelsea. She ended up with thirty three bruises and was 'treated like a rag doll' during the rape, but he hadn't finished there; he followed her to hospital because he wanted to 'get at her again'.

There were no cars or houses burnt, just a woman and her family left devastated.

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

[RedKettle]

Its the same when you go to places like burnley, bolton, preston, northampton and nottingham to name a few.

Have you even been to Nottingham? I live here and you are talking crap.

[Frostingthebowl]

Have you even been to Nottingham? I live here and you are talking crap.

I have. The part i went through (a few years ago admittedly) was like the bazaar in aladin.

[Charliehutton]

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

Much of which I agree with, albeit it's completely irrelevant to my post. All the OP did was post a newspaper crime report, without additional comment.

[DastardlyDick]

I didn’t watch him anywhere.  Just observing that regardless of what the WH press pool, or wider MSM does, he’s still going to be covered.

I guess he'll still have CSPAN - they have to give him coverage, but the likes of ABC, CBS etc don't have to take their output.

[Doc Holliday]

I have. The part i went through (a few years ago admittedly) was like the bazaar in aladin.

Have you been to Aladdin? 

[Frostingthebowl]

Have you been to Aladdin? 

I have. In english it translates to 'nottingham'.

[scutty brown]

Have you been to Aladdin? 

A lad in?
Is that a gay brothel?

[mills_and_bhuna]

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

Credit where it's due.
A well balanced post 

[mills_and_bhuna]

A lad in?
Is that a gay brothel?

I think you need to get your coat.?
Don't give up the day job........ ;)b

[sparkus]

I think you need to get your coat.?
Don't give up the day job........ ;)b

It's a 90s joke, usually about two semi-closeted entertainers, weighing up what video to get out from Blockbusters that night.

[RedKettle]

I have. The part i went through (a few years ago admittedly) was like the bazaar in aladin.

I am calling bullshit. Lived here on and off most of my life and had a job that involved moving around the city. You are talking crap.

[RedKettle]

Credit where it's due.
A well balanced post 

   Cheers

Going to sit down and recover now.

[Frostingthebowl]

I am calling bullshit. Lived here on and off most of my life and had a job that involved moving around the city. You are talking crap.

Im not lying, but believe what you want.

[Punting2022]

Trumps speech whilst the Iranian delegate was watching was pure class. Good on Him.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Trumps speech whilst the Iranian delegate was watching was pure class. Good on Him.

Imagine being so divorced from reality that the ramblings of an  imbecile impresses you.
Sad.

[Charliehutton]

Good performance from Burnham in his press conference with Trump...never easy, but he did well, I thought.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Trumps speech whilst the Iranian delegate was watching was pure class. Good on Him.

And just to add. The speech by Pezeshkian was 100% on the money.

[Punting2022]

And just to add. The speech by Pezeshkian was 100% on the money.

Didnt listen to him. Only time i will watch him on tv is his funeral.

[Punting2022]

3 coach fulls ffs

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[mills_and_bhuna]

Didnt listen to him. Only time i will watch him on tv is his funeral.

Hopefully he will outlive the orange paedo.

[RedKettle]

Im not lying, but believe what you want.

It is not a case of believing it is knowing from daily experience of the city over years.  You are not telling the truth.

[Frostingthebowl]

It is not a case of believing it is knowing from daily experience of the city over years.  You are not telling the truth.

I have my experiences and you have yours. Im not lying.

[Jerboa]

The fact immigration is getting lower under this government and they are dealing faster with asylum claims just passes you by.

If you think granting wholesale asylum to the majority who come, and then only actually deporting those who volunteer to go home with a few grand, as successful I wouldn't agree.

[Jerboa]

Show me a post where I apologised for an immigrant rape, you ignorant prick.
I'm just showing how there are no riots when it's indigenous scumbags but cars and houses burn and worse life savers are called traitors when they're imported ones.

You go tell the white rape victims they don't count because you, Tommy and all the other fuckwit wife beaters would rather have a rumble than find a way of dealing with it.

What part of, if these illegals weren't in our country, they couldn't commit crimes don't you grasp? We have enough of our own scumbags, we don't need to import thousands, that's what gets folks angry.

[DastardlyDick]

What part of, if these illegals weren't in our country, they couldn't commit crimes don't you grasp? We have enough of our own scumbags, we don't need to import thousands, that's what gets folks angry.

So you're saying it's OK to rape brown or black skinned women, but not white women?

[TallnHung]

Perhaps you didn't read the article he posted, about a woman dragged from a street in Chelsea. She ended up with thirty three bruises and was 'treated like a rag doll' during the rape, but he hadn't finished there; he followed her to hospital because he wanted to 'get at her again'.

There were no cars or houses burnt, just a woman and her family left devastated.

Maybe you didn't read mine.
Midlands bloke.  Drugged his wife so she could be gang raped. Lasted 20 years. 
But yeah great job on reading both and having a balanced view. 

In both cases they should go to hell for what they did.   You also missed that part. 

Thought you weren't engaging with me anyway?

[TallnHung]

I am going to give this a go and try explain why some of us have an issue with certain people exploiting sexual crime victims for their own agendas.

To start nobody is defending the people who commit these crimes and saying that we do just does not help the debate, it is just one example (of many on either “side”) of mindlessly pushing the argument to the extremes with made up shit. We all think they are scum and should be punished for their crimes, be hung by their balls and if immigrants sent back to their home countries.

However what these cases are not is proof that most (vast majority, 99% pick your wording) of immigrants are sexual predators. If we constantly searched for crimes committed by a particular group, eg gingers, and promoted them on social media we would demonise that group. That is happening here.

As has been pointed out there appear to be a high proportion of abusers of women amongst Tommy Robinson supporters, it is not a problem solely related to immigration.

It is of course true that if there was no immigration then all crimes committed by immigrants would not have happened. Just like if we banned all cars there would be no motoring related deaths and injuries. We keep cars because there are advantages to having them and there also advantage’s to immigrants plus a moral case. I am sure we could improve the situation, more control, more claims refused etc, but that is not where those shouting loudest are going with this.

The downsides of the approach of curating hatred around this are severe. Firstly it is making people, mainly women, very scared because of a perception that every immigrant is a rapist. There is already a gap between the reality of crime and the perception of it and this just feeds that. Secondly this is a tactic of the far right or left as old as time to create a group for people to hate to enable them to build their power base. I could quote the most obvious example but you and others will just get knickers in a twist again.

Exactly this. Thanks RK for taking the time and effort to put it in way better words than I've managed.

[TallnHung]

Didnt listen to him. Only time i will watch him on tv is his funeral.

There's a balanced individual willing to see both sides 😂😂😂

[TallnHung]

So you're saying it's OK to rape brown or black skinned women, but not white women?

He's not saying anything, well of any sense anywyay. 
He will say he means something else soon, it's the Farage/Tommy playbook 'You're taking my actual words and using them against me, your words have hurt me as I'm such a snowflake under any soet of considered scrutiny'.  Ring any bells?