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[webpunter]

Apparently we've now given France nearly £1 billion to help stop illegal immigrants from crossing the Channel. Is this not a triumph of hope over common sense? Why on Earth would they want to stop them?

You have hit the nail on the head 
They're at it again they're at it again being a bunch of cunts the french are at it again
How much do they owe us for digging them out of the shit, but only twice ? 

[bigden40]

Are you sure of that 
The way i'm reading things is that when the legislation on party funding was proposed it was know that the cut off date would be 25th March so it would always have been backdated if large donations were made

The fact that it wasn't shouted about and put on the main news broadcasts at the time doesn't mean it wasn't known about in and around Westminster

I'm happy to accept that the legislation was proposed to stop exactly the sort of donations recently made to Reform and more than likely they knew or thought that it would be happening but that's not the question here is it

The size of the donations is not the issue, the question is whether Harborne and/or Delo are regarded as overseas at the time of the donations.  Harborne's status (joint UK/Thai nationality) is less clear cut, but Delo has been UK based since April and made the donation this month. Both will make the case that they are not overseas donors.

As the bill has gone through two readings in the commons and is still going through significant amendments no one knows what, exactly, the final rules will be as of today, and they have certainly moved since March.

[webpunter]

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Reform UK hires private security to patrol three Essex towns costing over £100k

£69,900,000 left [edit oops £71,900,000]
Crack on 

There was a comment on BBC news London that Essex Police on the matter said that relatively low crime from migrants
I need to find the exact wording
If you're going to tell a lie at least tell a good one 
The rozzers do their very best to not spot let alone report migrant crime under instruction from The Govt so as not to inflame racial tensions 

[DastardlyDick]

The size of the donations is not the issue, the question is whether Harborne and/or Delo are regarded as overseas at the time of the donations.  Harborne's status (joint UK/Thai nationality) is less clear cut, but Delo has been UK based since April and made the donation this month. Both will make the case that they are not overseas donors.

As the bill has gone through two readings in the commons and is still going through significant amendments no one knows what, exactly, the final rules will be as of today, and they have certainly moved since March.

I could be wrong, but isn't it a question of "are they on the Electoral Roll?" 

[RedKettle]

Yes, because the rule change was only announced in March, not enacted. There was never a question of it being retrospective until those donations were made.

Yet again you should consider doing some fact checking.

[Punting2022]

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Most likely had enough of labour and somali invasion

[mh]

Yes, because the rule change was only announced in March, not enacted. There was never a question of it being retrospective until those donations were made.

You have been misinformed. The date was there from the start. Now I wonder who would spread such misinformation?

[Punting2022]

If labour got these donations, no one would care. Just because its reform

[webpunter]

The residents of Piddington have had enough of the pending migrant invasion to their tiny village [350 people]

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The villagers are holding a referendum to leave the UK, a novel idea
This is the bollox from The Home Office

"We are working to fairly house asylum seekers across the country, moving asylum seekers into alternative accommodation, including former military sites which are designed to be self-contained to reduce impact on the local community.
"As part of the process, we engage with local authorities and police forces to ensure the safety and security of those in the surrounding area."

Designed to be self contained
There's me thinking that MOD bases are designed to be secure & keep people out
Keeping people out means its set up to keep people in
Might need to beef up the perimeter additional fencing barbed wire more cameras & not forgetting some fuck off big dogs trained to bring down anything venturing into a set area

To ensure the safety & security of those in the surrounding area
This suggests that the 1200 male migrants will be free to roam [like their SIM cards]
Well its not 99% of them that have crime in their skillset tho i'd wager 9% at any bookies offering odds
The migrants especially the mislamics may well be disappointed they do like young white girls & looking at the BBC coverage the villagers are at the opposite end of the age spectrum
Tho i'm sure that they'll be able to adapt, needs must & all that

To reduce impact
There's an easy solution dont fill it up with illegals scrap it
Simples

What can possibly go wrong ? 
I do hope the media keep Piddington in the spotlight
Good luck to them 

[Charliehutton]

Yet again you should consider doing some fact checking.

If I'm wrong, RK, I'm happy to stand corrected.

[Charliehutton]

The villagers are holding a referendum to leave the UK, a novel idea

Although not original...remember Passport to Pimlico?

[Punting2022]

The residents of Piddington have had enough of the pending migrant invasion to their tiny village [350 people]

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The villagers are holding a referendum to leave the UK, a novel idea
This is the bollox from The Home Office

"We are working to fairly house asylum seekers across the country, moving asylum seekers into alternative accommodation, including former military sites which are designed to be self-contained to reduce impact on the local community.
"As part of the process, we engage with local authorities and police forces to ensure the safety and security of those in the surrounding area."

Designed to be self contained
There's me thinking that MOD bases are designed to be secure & keep people out
Keeping people out means its set up to keep people in
Might need to beef up the perimeter additional fencing barbed wire more cameras & not forgetting some fuck off big dogs trained to bring down anything venturing into a set area

To ensure the safety & security of those in the surrounding area
This suggests that the 1200 male migrants will be free to roam [like their SIM cards]
Well its not 99% of them that have crime in their skillset tho i'd wager 9% at any bookies offering odds
The migrants especially the mislamics may well be disappointed they do like young white girls & looking at the BBC coverage the villagers are at the opposite end of the age spectrum
Tho i'm sure that they'll be able to adapt, needs must & all that

To reduce impact
There's an easy solution dont fill it up with illegals scrap it
Simples

What can possibly go wrong ? 
I do hope the media keep Piddington in the spotlight
Good luck to them 

Good on them. More need to take action. UK is on track to be a islamic country soon.

Englandistan

[Nomerzypuntr]

Good on them. More need to take action. UK is on track to be a islamic country soon.

Englandistan

Just like Iran. England need to beat Cancer, stop encouraging festival celebration on roads, need to impose fine on these bullshits, have seen other countries flags raising in England, it’s not acceptable.

[RedKettle]

If I'm wrong, RK, I'm happy to stand corrected.

The bill is clear that the law will apply from March 2026 when the Rycroft Review was published.

If I am being your fact checker you might also want to review your comment about migrant boats not being covered by lifeboats on the French side of the channel - the French equivalent of RNLI does rescues near France of small boats.  Indeed in a recent episode of Savings Lives at Sea the RNLI were involved in a joint rescue with French assets.  You might increase your empathy if you watched that one.

We are all entitled to our views but i do get frustrated that so much of the debate on important issues is based on false information.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Point of order, British billionaires of variable dodginess.

It’s not fine, but let’s not pretend it’s uniquely corrupt, whether that’s the identity of the donors e.g. Hester, Ashcroft (Tories generally) or the mechanism e.g. secret loans, opaque routing and policy-adjacent timing (Labour generally).

Did I pretend it's uniquely corrupt ?
You may have noticed a level of disdain for Likud, sorry Labour in my previous postings.

[Punting2022]

Just like Iran. England need to beat Cancer, stop encouraging festival celebration on roads, need to impose fine on these bullshits, have seen other countries flags raising in England, it’s not acceptable.

i agree

[webpunter]

I happened to be in the Dartford area
A dump however good to see the cross of St George everywhere
As for people from whichever council trying to take these down good luck with that
I can see ex Millwall hooligans who've become gentrified & moved out to be able to buy bigger houses for once having a +ve impact
Maybe i've been too quick to slag them off on the footy thread their club threatening to get promoted to the Prem
I think i owe them an apology

[Punting2022]

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Look at this. so local lives arnt important. A local can get run over as they have no high vis. But give a migrant high vis to avoid being run down. This is why the UK people are fed up.

Migrants get free hotels, whereas homeless British born are on the streets,
High vis to help them.
Free condoms too migrants get i heard.

[Blackpool Rock]

The bill is clear that the law will apply from March 2026 when the Rycroft Review was published.

If I am being your fact checker you might also want to review your comment about migrant boats not being covered by lifeboats on the French side of the channel - the French equivalent of RNLI does rescues near France of small boats.  Indeed in a recent episode of Savings Lives at Sea the RNLI were involved in a joint rescue with French assets.  You might increase your empathy if you watched that one.

We are all entitled to our views but i do get frustrated that so much of the debate on important issues is based on false information.

But this is the standard MO of the likes of Trump and Reform, make false statements which are sometimes shocking enough times and then keep reinforcing it by repeating it enough times and before long Millions have soaked it up and repeating it themselves, before long it's a known fact 

Not just that it's rapid fire as this misinformation comes out on a daily basis so by the time opponents are putting out their fact checked information there's already a barrage of more fake shite to deal with 

[bigden40]

You have been misinformed. The date was there from the start. Now I wonder who would spread such misinformation?

The problem is that the argument is nuanced and both sides are trying to simplify it for the masses.  The doesn’t make it misinformation.

Yes, it was clear that the banning of donations in crypto assets and the £100k cap on foreign donations would apply from the date of Rycroft Report - 25th March 2026. Both donors would argue that they are not foreign donations, and the donations were not made in crypto.

However, it’s not as straightforward as that.  The rules weren’t well formed then, there is a huge amount of amendments happening to the bill and the legality, or not, of these donations will depend on the fine print.

The government is still trying to fine tune the legislation to address the specific Reform donations after the fact. The definition (of foreign donations)  that will ultimately apply was not available in March.

[mh]

Look at this. so local lives arnt important. A local can get run over as they have no high vis. But give a migrant high vis to avoid being run down. This is why the UK people are fed up.

Migrants get free hotels, whereas homeless British born are on the streets,
High vis to help them.
Free condoms too migrants get i heard.

Oh come off it. Anyone can get a hi vis vest, they "arnt" hard to come by.

And "i heard" migrants get a free Porsche 911. And an "S", by the way, not just a base model. All on Motability "i heard".
 

[Charliehutton]

If I am being your fact checker you might also want to review your comment about migrant boats not being covered by lifeboats on the French side of the channel - the French equivalent of RNLI does rescues near France of small boats.  Indeed in a recent episode of Savings Lives at Sea the RNLI were involved in a joint rescue with French assets.  You might increase your empathy if you watched that one.

We are all entitled to our views but i do get frustrated that so much of the debate on important issues is based on false information.

No, I don't want to review that comment, thank you. Perhaps I should have added the word 'seem', but this is only a punting forum, it's not the High Court.

The impression I've had from what I've seen on the telly is that the boats seem to be escorted far more on our side of the Channel than on the French side, that's all. Whatever you may have seen on an episode of Saving Lives at Sea does not make it fact.

[Blackpool Rock]

Reform's Welsh leader Dan Thomas has stepped down after being arrested on suspicion of assault and controlling or coercive behaviour on Sunday.

Fuck me they don't last long do they, he was only appointed in Feb

Nathan Gill was leader of Reform UK Wales too but got jailed for taking Russian cash


I believe that there a statistic about Politicians being more likely to have a criminal record or get jailed as a % compared to all or most other jobs / careers, let's face it there's something about the psyche of people who go into politics that seems to mean they are dodgy or at least once in office open to dodgy dealings but Reform seem to have skimmed off the cream 

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[bigden40]

No lies detected.

Andy Haldane, Burnham’s recent adviser on the economy who has not taken up a No10 job, told Andrew Marr on LBC:

“The market now suspects that this is a traditional tax-and-spend socialist government with better TikTok videos…

imposing windfall taxes on oil & gas or on banks or upping capital gains tax would […] repeat the mistake that Rachel made […] The Achilles heel, the fiscal Achilles heel of this government thus far has been its unwillingness and/or inability to cut public spending.”

[RedKettle]

No, I don't want to review that comment, thank you. Perhaps I should have added the word 'seem', but this is only a punting forum, it's not the High Court.

The impression I've had from what I've seen on the telly is that the boats seem to be escorted far more on our side of the Channel than on the French side, that's all. Whatever you may have seen on an episode of Saving Lives at Sea does not make it fact.

God forbid that you try and understand what actually happens. One that hit the news recently for being picked up by RNLI had been escorted (using your wording) by a French lifeboat, despite your impression that does not happen, but they refused the offer of help. Nothing the French lifeboat could do, they cannot force people on board.

[Punting2022]

Piddington voted to leave uk. Not legally standing. But more need to do this to send a message.
Uk is islamic if this carries on

[Charliehutton]

God forbid that you try and understand what actually happens. One that hit the news recently for being picked up by RNLI had been escorted (using your wording) by a French lifeboat, despite your impression that does not happen, but they refused the offer of help. Nothing the French lifeboat could do, they cannot force people on board.

So everybody concerned considered them safe, which was the point I made in the first place.

[Blackpool Rock]

Piddington voted to leave uk. Not legally standing. But more need to do this to send a message.
Uk is islamic if this carries on

A publicity stunt that may backfire on them as they are now centre stage so can expect to be invaded by 1000's of football hooligans at some point

[mh]

Piddington voted to leave uk.

Goodness me how easily they gave up their pensions, roads maintenance, education, health services and all the rest. it is fine by me to let them try it. I hope they have a supermarket willing to import goods to keep them alive.

[Blackpool Rock]

Goodness me how easily they gave up their pensions, roads maintenance, education, health services and all the rest. it is fine by me to let them try it. I hope they have a supermarket willing to import goods to keep them alive.

Yeah be funny as fuck to announce that their connection to the national grid for gas; electric; water etc was now being cut off as we don't have any agreements in place with them, a road toll to get into England and obviously no policing in the village after the immigrants land etc

[Nomerzypuntr]

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Look at this. so local lives arnt important. A local can get run over as they have no high vis. But give a migrant high vis to avoid being run down. This is why the UK people are fed up.

Migrants get free hotels, whereas homeless British born are on the streets,
High vis to help them.
Free condoms too migrants get i heard.

I didn’t get any. Any free condom or free housing benefits. I pay rent, deposit, council tax, income tax, other bills. Needed a UK guarantor for renting a room, then references from its first place.

I don’t mind that, don’t want any benefits from government as I’m not getting any. I seeing homeless people in streets selling weeds and other stuff, just google Sheil Road Kensington, Liverpool. They always ask “ any change, 10 quids”. Why can’t they go to work in shops? I seeing people specifically foreigners doing full time and part time jobs, didn’t see any Brit doing uber, care jobs, local shops.

The amount I pay for my rent for one room, the neighbors ( Brits, other residents) they pay for whole house. Still I don’t have any complaints, coz I came legally paid huge amount money to University, woke legally, pay taxes. Don’t want any benefits, just need legal procedures to stay and work in UK. International students pay thrice the amount a British student pay. So government encouraging Brits to educate, do more jobs, they have housing benefits. Homeless don’t want to work, pay taxes, so they are like this.

So it’s common sense that people coming through boats stealing your benefits not other legal migrants came for work here. It’s the fault of law and the government; already I did a research paper in my final dissertation about this topic, it is what it is.

[Private Parts]

I didn’t get any. Any free condom or free housing benefits. I pay rent, deposit, council tax, income tax, other bills. Needed a UK guarantor for renting a room, then references from its first place.

I don’t mind that, don’t want any benefits from government as I’m not getting any. I seeing homeless people in streets selling weeds and other stuff, just google Sheil Road Kensington, Liverpool. They always ask “ any change, 10 quids”. Why can’t they go to work in shops? I seeing people specifically foreigners doing full time and part time jobs, didn’t see any Brit doing uber, care jobs, local shops.

The amount I pay for my rent for one room, the neighbors ( Brits, other residents) they pay for whole house. Still I don’t have any complaints, coz I came legally paid huge amount money to University, woke legally, pay taxes. Don’t want any benefits, just need legal procedures to stay and work in UK. International students pay thrice the amount a British student pay. So government encouraging Brits to educate, do more jobs, they have housing benefits. Homeless don’t want to work, pay taxes, so they are like this.

So it’s common sense that people coming through boats stealing your benefits not other legal migrants came for work here. It’s the fault of law and the government; already I did a research paper in my final dissertation about this topic, it is what it is.

Hopefully you put your dissertation through spell/grammar/construction/sense - check.
before you submitted it.
 

[Doc Holliday]

Free condoms too migrants get i heard.

Yoda ... you are aware everyone is entitled to receive free condoms via NHS sexual services?

Are condoms not a good idea? Surely you don't want 'their sort' breeding? 

[Doc Holliday]

Hopefully you put your dissertation through spell/grammar/construction/sense - check.
before you submitted it.
 

I think that is harsh and unnecessary. You might want to check your own punctuation etc?

[Vice Admiral]

I can state with confidence that Daniel , who writes a weekly opinion piece for the Times, is as appalled by the prospect of a Reform UK government as I am – and as dismayed that the party has recently acquired £72 million to help bring this about.

Nonetheless, Finkelstein is fiercely opposed to the Government's attempts to stop the two recent donations, for reasons he makes clear in an unanswerable piece in today’s paper, under the heading “Banning Reform’s £72m donations breaks the rule of law” and the sub-heading, “A terrible precedent would also backfire politically while legitimising Nigel Farage’s plans for retrospective action on migrants”.

Here is an extract:

I am deeply concerned there may be an attempt to force Reform UK to return donations it has received under existing law because the law is about to change.

Any manoeuvre to nullify Reform’s donations will (and this is entirely obvious) not work anyway. The donors will come back later with more money. And other donors, angered by the attempt, will doubtless join in. But the move would be wrong even if it did work.

The proposal being made is to backdate a cap on donations from those living overseas to March, when the government originally announced its policy. And this proposal absolutely does not satisfy the requirement that the law be predictable. It does not comply with the rule of law.

An announcement by a government that it intends to change the law is not the same as a change in the law. Parliament had not considered, let alone agreed, the change. There has even been a change of prime minister since the government introduced its bill. It is absolutely wrong to require someone to obey a proposal that is not yet a law or penalise them retrospectively. It is not the British way of doing things and it ought never to be.

There is something else disturbing about this potential move on funding: it is aimed at a particular group of people. It would be law made retrospectively by one party to stop another party who they don’t like from gaining political advantage, and using a distorted law to do it. That too is against the idea of the rule of law.

[Charliehutton]

Thank goodness we have a Prime Minister who refuses to put National security ahead of Social security.

More than 4,000,000 of us are now claiming 'Pip' payments, with more than 1,000 new 'Pip' claims being approved every day, the result of a surge in people with mental health conditions. We can have no doubt that these claims are genuine; after all, with almost 100,000 employees, the DWP have plenty of staff to rigorously root out any bogus claims.

What is causing so much mental anguish, do you think?

[RedKettle]

What is causing so much mental anguish, do you think?

The possibility of a Reform government.

[Nomerzypuntr]

Hopefully you put your dissertation through spell/grammar/construction/sense - check.
before you submitted it.
 

No thank you, I passed with merit still better than others

[Charliehutton]

The possibility of a Reform government.

 

[Nomerzypuntr]

I think that is harsh and unnecessary. You might want to check your own punctuation etc?

Crazy isn’t? He’s worried abt my grammar not the issue I said.

Stop the boats and giving benefits to asylum seekers. Those who already in Uk need to work like other people and need to pay tax.
Migrants (any ethnicity) if they came here legally, and have education, work experience they need to get jobs and visas to stay n work in the UK.
Give every Brits benefits for housing, family, kids support, education. Atleast reduce their tax rate.

Business need to be encouraged, tax need to be lowered.
Health sector, more recruitment needed for staff shortage, waiting times need to lowered.
People from other religious backgrounds, need to be more careful when doing celebrations, it’s not your country, need to follow the UK culture and law.

It can’t be done overnight, If this happens we don’t see any inflation, corruption, child rapes, frauds, religious/ racial invasion. If I’m wrong, criticisms are welcomed

[whiskyfan]

If labour got these donations, no one would care. Just because its reform

Well that's a lie because you would clearly care.

[RandomGuy99]

Donald won't like this

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Iran war, tariffs and trade wars all drive up prices.

[Charliehutton]

Yeah be funny as fuck to announce that their connection to the national grid for gas; electric; water etc was now being cut off as we don't have any agreements in place with them, a road toll to get into England and obviously no policing in the village after the immigrants land etc

It's a nice protest, though, don't you think? Better than a bunch of yobbos in balaclavas and black shirts. The 'returning officer' was no Margaret Rutherford but she clearly had a ball announcing the result.

[RedKettle]

It's a nice protest, though, don't you think? Better than a bunch of yobbos in balaclavas and black shirts. The 'returning officer' was no Margaret Rutherford but she clearly had a ball announcing the result.

I can agree with you on this one. It was a clever and peaceful protest, whatever you think of their cause.

[sparkus]

If labour got these donations, no one would care. Just because its reform

Up there with "Surely it's a good thing that successful people want to fund a political party?" 

[Punting2022]

Yoda ... you are aware everyone is entitled to receive free condoms via NHS sexual services?

Are condoms not a good idea? Surely you don't want 'their sort' breeding? 

Its not about the breeding. Its because they rape. Government giving free ones to them so they can rape without spreading disease.

[puntingking]

Its not about the breeding. Its because they rape. Government giving free ones to them so they can rape without spreading disease.

I don't think rapists think about protecting the woman they are raping from catching diseases, if they did then they would have enough compassion to not rape them in the first place 

[Blackpool Rock]

Its not about the breeding. Its because they rape. Government giving free ones to them so they can rape without spreading disease.

Even for you that's good 



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[RandomGuy99]

Bullying

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[Doc Holliday]

Its not about the breeding. Its because they rape. Government giving free ones to them so they can rape without spreading disease.

I have to say I am finding myself increasingly fascinated by 'which box' to put you in. I switch between 'troll' to 'cerebrally challenged'.

It has to be one or the other. It cannot IMO be both.

There is a very important and polarising discussion around immigration, which we should all be having, but it should be based around reality.

For that latter reason your contributions add very little.