The Politics Thread

[Charliehutton]

It's a proven fact that the cognitive ability of Leave voters was lower than average

Maths isn't my strong point, but if more than 51% voted leave, how can their cognitive ability be lower than average?

[Zimbaman]

Maths isn't my strong point, but if more than 51% voted leave, how can their cognitive ability be lower than average?

Because 100% of people didn’t vote 

[Charliehutton]

Because 100% of people didn’t vote 

Thanks. So the people who didn't vote had more cognitive ability than those that did?

[Zimbaman]

Thanks. So the people who didn't vote had more cognitive ability than those that did?

Probably. But also consider that 50% of the population are dimmer than the other 50% by definition if it’s a normal distribution (which it is). So if only 20 something percent of the population voted a particular way, it’s not unbelievable to think they might have lower cognitive ability than the other group on average. Combine that with the lower educational attainment in leave voters and it really is quite compelling.

[Vice Admiral]

Thanks. So the people who didn't vote had more cognitive ability than those that did?

I believe I may be able to help.

37.4% of the electorate voted Leave.  These were typically people of below average intelligence and / or educational attainment.

34.7% voted Remain.  These were typically people of above average intelligence and / or educational attainment.

27.8% did not vote.  These were people of mixed ability, lazy fuckers, people who didn't understand a word of English, and people who thought the whole thing was a car crash waiting to happen. 

As proved to be the case.

[Charliehutton]

I believe I may be able to help.

37.4% of the electorate voted Leave.  These were typically people of below average intelligence and / or educational attainment.

34.7% voted Remain.  These were typically people of above average intelligence and / or educational attainment.

  Thank you, VA, for making that clear! I'm guessing it's those same people of below average intelligence and educational attainment who may misguidedly support Reform. Who should they turn to for guidance, do you think?

[Jerboa]

I believe I may be able to help.

37.4% of the electorate voted Leave.  These were typically people of below average intelligence and / or educational attainment.

34.7% voted Remain.  These were typically people of above average intelligence and / or educational attainment.

27.8% did not vote.  These were people of mixed ability, lazy fuckers, people who didn't understand a word of English, and people who thought the whole thing was a car crash waiting to happen. 

As proved to be the case.

Calling 37% of the electorate bellow average intelligence, because they voted to leave the EUSSR just shows the snobbery many still hold, do you want the vote to be removed from the lower classes?
We are not going back to the Brussels club, I guess you could go live in Ireland and remain.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Calling 37% of the electorate bellow average intelligence, because they voted to leave the EUSSR just shows the snobbery many still hold, do you want the vote to be removed from the lower classes?
We are not going back to the Brussels club, I guess you could go live in Ireland and remain.

Snobby?
VA?
I wonder how you came to that conclusion.......
 

[mills_and_bhuna]

So then what?

I'm sure the CIA, Blackrock, Rand and Centcom have a plan.....
Hint: peace is well down the list of priorities.
As I've said before . This war wasn't designed to be won, just to be waged.
For Wall Street. And at Europe's expense.
How's your gas bill?

[Charliehutton]

Probably. But also consider that 50% of the population are dimmer than the other 50% by definition if it’s a normal distribution (which it is). So if only 20 something percent of the population voted a particular way, it’s not unbelievable to think they might have lower cognitive ability than the other group on average. Combine that with the lower educational attainment in leave voters and it really is quite compelling.

Thanks again. I'm going to go out on a limb here...you voted remain, didn't you?

[Zimbaman]

Thanks again. I'm going to go out on a limb here...you voted remain, didn't you?

  How did you guess

[Charliehutton]

How did you guess

  Hey, maybe my cognitive ability is better than you may think!

[Zimbaman]

Hey, maybe my cognitive ability is better than you may think!

Maybe… but that is where averages come into it 

[Jerboa]

I'm sure the CIA, Blackrock, Rand and Centcom have a plan.....
Hint: peace is well down the list of priorities.
As I've said before . This war wasn't designed to be won, just to be waged.
For Wall Street. And at Europe's expense.
How's your gas bill?

Yes the war was not meant to be won, the neocons believed the financial sanctions would sink the Russian economy, which would result in a Moscow Maidan, Putin kicked out and their puppet put in place in the Kremlin. Hasn't quite worked out.

[Zimbaman]

Yes the war was not meant to be won, the neocons believed the financial sanctions would sink the Russian economy, which would result in a Moscow Maidan, Putin kicked out and their puppet put in place in the Kremlin. Hasn't quite worked out.

…. Yet… 

[mills_and_bhuna]

…. Yet… 

You think the American people have benefitted ?
We know the Europeans haven't.
And by American people I don't mean the vulture capitalists and techbros gaming the system.
Or the MIC.
I mean the 99%.

[Jerboa]

…. Yet… 

The sanctions have boomeranged back onto Europe.

[Iamforreal]

The sanctions have boomeranged back onto Europe.

Go to see how Russian folk is living daily and compare it with how Europeans live.
Many of you clearly have no clue how it is to live under censorship and dictatorship aka communism.
Also check if there is a forum like this or any other in Russia in the public domain when everybody can express their opinions without fear of repercussion.

[Charliehutton]

You think the American people have benefitted ?
We know the Europeans haven't.
And by American people I don't mean the vulture capitalists and techbros gaming the system.
Or the MIC.
I mean the 99%.

M & B, for us members of below average cognitive ability, is there any chance that you could phrase your posts in simpler language?

It's almost as if you wrap your posts in riddles and long winded rhetoric in order to look clever.

[Jerboa]

Go to see how Russian folk is living daily and compare it with how Europeans live.
Many of you clearly have no clue how it is to live under censorship and dictatorship aka communism.
Also check if there is a forum like this or any other in Russia in the public domain when everybody can express their opinions without fear of repercussion.

I do know how it's like to live under censorship and communism, I live in Starmer's Britain. 

[Zimbaman]

I do know how it's like to live under censorship and communism, I live in Starmer's Britain. 

How have you been censored ? 

[Iamforreal]

I do know how it's like to live under censorship and communism, I live in Starmer's Britain. 

You're not for real  trolling at it's best 

[Thephoenix]

I'm sure the CIA, Blackrock, Rand and Centcom have a plan.....
Hint: peace is well down the list of priorities.
As I've said before . This war wasn't designed to be won, just to be waged.
How's your gas bill?n

I'm all electric.

I was thinking more about Putin's plan ????

[Thephoenix]

It's almost as if you wrap your posts in riddles and long winded rhetoric in order to look clever.

......and it doesn't work.

[Thephoenix]

Yes the war was not meant to be won, the neocons believed the financial sanctions would sink the Russian economy, which would result in a Moscow Maidan, Putin kicked out and their puppet put in place in the Kremlin. Hasn't quite worked out.

So what has worked out?

[Jerboa]

I'm all electric.

I was thinking more about Putin's plan ????

Are you being flippant or don't you understand wholesale electricity prices are linked to the cost of gas?

So what has worked out?

Not a lot, apart from over a million dead Ukrainians, the demographic destruction of their country, the deindustrialisation of Europe, US walking away from Europe, the very high probability of Russia striking Europe, as the leaders continue to poke them in the eye. Russia continues on until it reaches it's goals, or Kiev actually submits.

[Doc Holliday]

So what has worked out?

Not a lot, apart from over a million dead Ukrainians,

Source?

Where is that figure from? estimating true casualty figures in a war is as tricky as herding cats.

[Doc Holliday]

As I've said before .

That surprises me. I have never noticed you repeat yourself.

Why is Jerboa suddenly your bestie?

[Doc Holliday]

Again I don't support Russia,

You may not? Yet the clear perception of many others gained from reading your posts is that you do.

Why is that?

[Thephoenix]

Are you being flippant or don't you understand wholesale electricity prices are linked to the cost of gas?

Thanks for explaining that.

Russia continues on until it reaches it's goals, or Kiev actually submits.

What are Russia's goals?
Kiev submits to what?

[Vice Admiral]

Thank you, VA, for making that clear! I'm guessing it's those same people of below average intelligence and educational attainment who may misguidedly support Reform. Who should they turn to for guidance, do you think?

I’m sensitive to your heartfelt plea, Charlie, although I know you’re only asking for a friend.  At the risk of sounding immodest (a risk I’m always prepared to run), I've spent quite a lot of my life counselling and guiding persons of below average intelligence and educational attainment, with reasonable success – and I would never shut my door in the face of a PBAIEA in need of help.  So tell your friend to feel free to visit the Vice Admiral's cabin during office hours.

Calling 37% of the electorate bellow average intelligence, because they voted to leave the EUSSR just shows the snobbery many still hold, do you want the vote to be removed from the lower classes?

No, but there may be a case for an IQ test and / or proof that those wishing to be on the electoral roll get their news from reputable sources (in other words, “the mainstream media”).

Snobby?
VA?
I wonder how you came to that conclusion.......

Snobby, moi?  What makes you think that?  I will happily sleep with girls of all social classes.

[Charliehutton]

I’m sensitive to your heartfelt plea, Charlie, although I know you’re only asking for a friend.  At the risk of sounding immodest (a risk I’m always prepared to run), I've spent quite a lot of my life counselling and guiding persons of below average intelligence and educational attainment, with reasonable success – and I would never shut my door in the face of a PBAIEA in need of help.  So tell your friend to feel free to visit the Vice Admiral's cabin during office hours.

No, but there may be a case for an IQ test and / or proof that those wishing to be on the electoral roll get their news from reputable sources (in other words, “the mainstream media”).

Snobby, moi?  What makes you think that?  I will happily sleep with girls of all social classes.

  Thank you, VA, my friend will be delighted by your kind offer! By the way, I'm sure my friend would like to know...by the 'mainstream media' being the only reputable sources of information, do you mean the Daily Mail and GB News?

[Vice Admiral]

By the way, I'm sure my friend would like to know...by the 'mainstream media' being the only reputable sources of information, do you mean the Daily Mail and GB News?

You've opened a very big can of worms!

What is "objective news"?  Is any news entirely objective?

I read the Times, which is generally regarded as a pretty centrist paper.  Certainly there is a wide range of opinions offered by its columnists, although I have yet to see anyone advocating voting for either Reform UK or the Greens.  I suppose for balance I should also read the Telegraph and the Guardian, but life's too short; and I'm not sure I would see much support for Reform or the Greens in those papers, either.  Meanwhile most television news has tended to have a left-wing bias.

However – while all the sources I have mentioned can, I think, be trusted not to tell lies – it could be argued that bias can arise, sometimes but not always unconsciously, in what the various outlets choose to report and how they select and present their information.  In my view that would be more likely to apply to the Daily Mail and GB News than the outlets I have named.  But not exclusively.

[scutty brown]

Snobby, moi?  What makes you think that?  I will happily sleep with girls of all social classes.

I prefer girls of the unsocial classes, they're more fun

[whiskyfan]

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Another violent crime involving Muslims. Wonder why the Tommy bootlickers havent jumped all over this one like they usually do...

Point proven. The silence speaks louder than words.

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'm all electric.

I was thinking more about Putin's plan ????

Pretty sure it isn't invading Western Europe.

[Squire Haggard]

Yes the war was not meant to be won, the neocons believed the financial sanctions would sink the Russian economy, which would result in a Moscow Maidan, Putin kicked out and their puppet put in place in the Kremlin. Hasn't quite worked out.

[Jerboa]

Point proven. The silence speaks louder than words.

You mean pointless, one lunatic goes mad, see how quick Two Tier and the police are to label the incident? 

[whiskyfan]

You mean pointless, one lunatic goes mad, see how quick Two Tier and the police are to label the incident? 

You jumped on the Belfast incident so fast you even gleefully spread the misinformation about the perpetrators nationality. When it's one of your own you ignore it and proclaim it as just "one lunatic".

Thanks again for proving exactly what you are, a Two Tier Tommy shill. 

[Jerboa]

Source?

I pulled it out my arse,  There is so much conjecture on casualty figures, If Ukraine MoD is saying 1.3 million Russian KIA, I would say that's projection. We know Ukraine has lost a high amount of it's military, they are dragging men off the streets and into vans, and now EU countries are stating they will no longer classify Ukrainian men 22-65 as having refugee status.

What are Russia's goals?
Kiev submits to what?

Ukraine submits to Russia, the longer this war goes on the more lives they lose, and more land they may lose. Russia's goals were stated by Putin on the first day of the SMO, the demilitarisation of Ukraine, the denazification of Ukraine, Ukraine will be neutral again, defence of the the two Donbass republics (at the time they were independent states)
After September 2022 Russia annexed Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Lughansk, their goals are the full occupation of the four oblasts.   

[Jerboa]

You jumped on the Belfast incident so fast you even gleefully spread the misinformation about the perpetrators nationality. When it's one of your own you ignore it and proclaim it as just "one lunatic".

Thanks again for proving exactly what you are, a Two Tier Tommy shill. 

Oh did I really? How did I spread misinformation exactly? You mean when PSNI were saying the scumbag was Somali you mean?

[Vice Admiral]

Meanwhile, the £3.35 trillion question is ... will Andy Burnham appoint Ed Miliband as his chancellor of the exchequer?

Oddly, as one who has opined that Burnham needs to “think left but do right”, I rather hope he does.

It could go disastrously wrong, but it might be a success.  Miliband – although very ideological* – is highly intelligent.  His Net Zero agenda is indubitably the right thing (others will vehemently disagree).  He would need to season it with a generous dose of reality, but a chancellor who thinks beyond the next opinion poll and the next election would make a refreshing change.

The commentariat suggest that Miliband being made chancellor is a strong possibility, but far from certain.

The bookies have him as hot favourite at around 4/6.

Next come Shabana Mahmood is at around 4/1, Wes Streeting at around 5/1, Yvette Cooper at around 13/2 and Pat McFadden at around 8/1.  Of those I would favour McFadden.  Dull but sensible.

(*I badly mistyped “ideological” – and the first word my spell-checker suggested was “diabolical”!)

[Blackpool Rock]

Not been mentioned on here I don't think and only brief mentions on the news a few days ago but Ukraine is doing well disrupting things in Crimea using drones 

Fuel shortages and cities without power plus other attacks in Russia itself actually taking the war to Russia and letting the people know they are actually in a war, about time they started feeling some of the pain and consequences 

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[Thephoenix]

Pretty sure it isn't invading Western Europe.

What is it then?

[Thephoenix]

Ukraine submits to Russia, the longer this war goes on the more lives they lose, and more land they may lose. Russia's goals were stated by Putin on the first day of the SMO, the demilitarisation of Ukraine, the denazification of Ukraine, Ukraine will be neutral again, defence of the the two Donbass republics (at the time they were independent states)
After September 2022 Russia annexed Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Lughansk, their goals are the full occupation of the four oblasts.   

Forgive me, but you seem pleased with that outcome.

As you chum 'His Nibs' keeps answering the questions I'm asking you, I assume he'd be pleased too.

[Jerboa]

Not been mentioned on here I don't think and only brief mentions on the news a few days ago but Ukraine is doing well disrupting things in Crimea using drones 

Fuel shortages and cities without power plus other attacks in Russia itself actually taking the war to Russia and letting the people know they are actually in a war, about time they started feeling some of the pain and consequences 

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Because in reality Ukraine is not doing well, the narrative and reality are two different things, yes Ukraine hitting oil tankers and fuel storage in Crimea has caused a shortage, and fuel is being rationed, but this is not game changing, hitting cities and oil storage tanks with drones made in Europe won't give victory. If Ukraine is doing so well, why are EU countries starting to remove refugee status for Ukrainian men? They want them to go back to fight, are the AFU running out of manpower?

Notice the BBC the other day finally mentioned Kostyantynivka, they have taken around 90% of the town already, it is one of the main fortress belt cities defending the conurbation of Kramatorsk & Slaviansk. To the NE Russia has taken most of the town of Lyman, this has been held by Ukraine since autumn of 2022, and has protected Slaviansk, if Russia can put artillery on the high ground there it's a short distance to Slaviansk.

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[RedKettle]

I do know how it's like to live under censorship and communism, I live in Starmer's Britain. 

That really says it all, you have  no clue what your hero’s country is like to live in.

[Jerboa]

Forgive me, but you seem pleased with that outcome.

No not really, I wish none of this happened, I agree with the late Henry Kissinger, he wrote this WP op-ed in March 2014 External Link/Members Only

Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other — as has been the pattern — would lead eventually to civil war or breakup. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West — especially Russia and Europe — into a cooperative international system.

[DastardlyDick]

What are Russia's goals?

I think that's the problem - nobody knows what Putiin's goal is.
Some say it's to restore the territory of the old Soviet Union/Russian Empire, by installing puppet governments. Others say it's to grab rare earth metals which, it's said, Ukraine has a lot of and sell it at high prices.
Still others say it's gone beyond those, and Putin can't "give up" and go home because he'd lose face with the Russian people, or, more importantly, the oligarchs - he may be able to deal with them one at a time via open windows etc, but several of them? Then he'll be taking a dive - literally.

[whiskyfan]

Oh did I really? How did I spread misinformation exactly? You mean when PSNI were saying the scumbag was Somali you mean?

Unusual for you to take word of the police, maybe both you and they should learn not to jump the gun. Yet again telling that you've leaped on that and ignored the rest though...

Still I'm sure you'll be praising the peaceful anti-racism demo in Edinburgh. Rather different to the violent aftermath in Belfast.

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