The Politics Thread

[finn5555]

Yes it was a terrible mistake. Immediately acknowledged as such and did not impact on the tragedy in that unfortunately he would have died whatever they did. Police apologised and it is being investigated. The criminal has been sent to jail. People are trying to make political points out of this that are not there. Police got it wrong and that was terrible.

Talking political point scoring Farage and his right wing racist cronies will no doubt be all over this probably claiming they will eradicate knife crime overnight 

[Jerboa]

BBC article claims the killer was obsessed with weapons, I've not heard what the motive was, just a argument or something?  External Link/Members Only

The Sikh Federation said the blade used by Digwa was not a religious knife, known as a Kirpan

[Punting2022]

Terribly sad sequence of events leading to his death.

Worryingly Digwa was able to carry a knife in public because there is an exemption for those who observe the Sikh faith to carry ceremonial daggers.

Maybe that needs to be reviewed due to the volume of knife crime we see

Its not a knife and in the last 40 years one incident involving this ceremonial sword and a stabbing. In the last 50 odd years this is the first time its been used. Not in the name of religion either. its just this bloke had issue. If he wanted to kill he would have got a normal knife from home tbh.  Police as always were in the wrong here.
 

[Punting2022]

Tube strikes have been going on for deacdes......please don't be simple and blame Khan as if this is something ONLY on his watch.....

Khan has made london fall tbh.

[Blackpool Rock]

He had two, not the usual 1. The second one was larger than normal.

From the BBC article -
The Sikh Federation said the blade used by Digwa was not a religious knife, known as a Kirpan.

It has condemned the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) for not making this clear during the trial, telling the BBC the community has been "demonised".

Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, external states that it shall be a defence for a person charged with having an article with blade or point in public place to prove that they had the article with them for religious reasons.

If the item is used in an act of violence then it is deemed an offensive weapon.

Following Digwa's conviction, prominent right-wing figures, including the world's richest man Elon Musk, have criticised current UK law around carrying the knife.


As usual the likes of Farage are trying to make mileage out of this but thank God Musk has added his two pennorth, wonder what his stance is on gun crime and school shootings in the US and whether he's as vocal about it 

[finn5555]

Its not a knife and in the last 40 years one incident involving this ceremonial sword and a stabbing. In the last 50 odd years this is the first time its been used. Not in the name of religion either. its just this bloke had issue. If he wanted to kill he would have got a normal knife from home tbh.  Police as always were in the wrong here.

Semantics knife, dagger, Kirpan still a bladed article isn’t it 

[Blackpool Rock]

Semantics knife, dagger, Kirpan still a bladed article isn’t it 

Yes and as per my post even if it had have been a Kirpan -
If the item is used in an act of violence then it is deemed an offensive weapon

Regarding everyone being quick to jump on the police in fairness they have turned up to a difficult scene having been given one sided and untrue information which led them to believe that a racist / religious attack had taken place
I would expect any officers going into that scenario to have an open mind however i'd also expect them to initially work on the information that they actually have been given.
At that stage you don't know what you don't know and in fairness they had further assessed the situation and requested an ambulance after 3 minutes

I've had friends in the emergency services and it's easy for everyone to be an armchair expert after the event once the full facts are known

In my own job I had to deal with incorrect information many times that was presented as being factual, it means that you inevitably waste an inordinate amount of time going down blind alleys before establishing the facts at which point you can actually start to make progress

What I always said was that incorrect information was far worse than no information

[Squire Haggard]

You remember the MI6 asset Alexei Navalny? It would be pretty easy for the anti Putin oligarchs to use their money and power once Putin and his circle were removed from power.

Alexei Navalny was imprisoned on false charges then killed by the Putin Regime.

As for ''pretty easy for the anti Putin oligarchs'' is not true. Its not ''pretty easy'' to remove Putin and ''install a Yeltsin type leader'' at all.

Your entire post is unrealistic fantasy.

[Jerboa]

Alexei Navalny was imprisoned on false charges then killed by the Putin Regime.

As for ''pretty easy for the anti Putin oligarchs'' is not true. Its not ''pretty easy'' to remove Putin and ''install a Yeltsin type leader'' at all.

Your entire post is unrealistic fantasy.

In late 2012, Russia’s Investigative Committee opened a case against Alexey Navalny and his brother Oleg on suspicion of large-scale fraud and money laundering. According to investigators, between 2008 and 2011, a company named Main Subscription Agency — which the Navalny brothers established through Cyprus-based firm Alortag Management Ltd — embezzled 55 million rubles.

Try reading my post again, if Putin and his circle was taken out, then it would THEN be pretty easy, money and power can buy political power.

[finn5555]

Alexei Navalny was imprisoned on false charges then killed by the Putin Regime.

As for ''pretty easy for the anti Putin oligarchs'' is not true. Its not ''pretty easy'' to remove Putin and ''install a Yeltsin type leader'' at all.

Your entire post is unrealistic fantasy.

He loves Russia and will defend them to the death 

[Jerboa]

He loves Russia and will defend them to the death 

How would you know? You blocked me. 

[Squire Haggard]

In late 2012, Russia’s Investigative Committee opened a case against Alexey Navalny and his brother Oleg on suspicion of large-scale fraud and money laundering. According to investigators, between 2008 and 2011, a company named Main Subscription Agency — which the Navalny brothers established through Cyprus-based firm Alortag Management Ltd — embezzled 55 million rubles.

Try reading my post again, if Putin and his circle was taken out, then it would THEN be pretty easy, money and power can buy political power.

No need for me to read your post again. I understand what you are saying and its nonense.

Any charges against enemies of the Kremlin are extremely doubtful.

Why would the Russians want to take out Putin and his circle then install ''a Yeltsin type leader''?

Just to suit your post perhaps?

[Vice Admiral]

Reasons to be cheerful?

Here are a few paragraphs from Robert Colville’s piece in this week’s Sunday Times.

Colville:  GDP per capita in the UK is lower than in every US state — even Mississippi. As of 2024, the typical US household was a staggering 69 per cent better off in terms of disposable income.
Me:  The Land of the Free must be getting something right.

Colville:  Then there’s housing. As my colleagues at the Centre for Policy Studies think tank have shown, the UK is an extraordinary 6.5 million homes short, compared to the average European country our size. London alone has a deficit of 1.1 million.
Me:  Absolutely staggering.

Colville:  Then there’s migration, which has of course contributed greatly to the housing shortage. Roughly one in five people living in Britain today was born overseas. That’s not only historically unprecedented, but has happened (by historical standards) incredibly fast: cumulative net migration between 1997 and 2022 was almost 100 times higher than in the 25 years previously.
Me:  How could any country assimilate and integrate immigration on that scale?

Colville:  But Andy Burnham in particular is merrily talking absolute economic nonsense on a whole range of issues...
Me:  However the King of the North is about to conquer the rest of Britain, and we can’t do anything about it.

[Jerboa]

No need for me to read your post again. I understand what you are saying and its nonense.

Any charges against enemies of the Kremlin are extremely doubtful.

Why would the Russians want to take out Putin and his circle install ''a Yeltsin type leader''? The majority of the public wouldn't, I'm talking about a small group of banished oligarchs and their neocon patrons.

Just to suit your post perhaps?

So nobody commits crimes in Russia? It was a total fit up? He wasn't a credible threat to the Kremlin, he garnered little support in Russia, something western media never actually discuss, and claim he was some sort of democracy freedom fighter, when all he was was a criminal a bigot and a foreign asset.

[Squire Haggard]

So nobody commits crimes in Russia? It was a total fit up? He wasn't a credible threat to the Kremlin, he garnered little support in Russia, something western media never actually discuss, and claim he was some sort of democracy freedom fighter, when all he was was a criminal a bigot and a foreign asset.

Putin does not tolerate threats to his regime, so he was eliminated, like others have been.

[Squire Haggard]

He loves Russia and will defend them to the death 

It looks like it.

[Doc Holliday]

How would you know? You blocked me. 

Because when someone else quotes you, you still to see the quote of the person you have on ignore. It is a pretty useless function really

[finn5555]

Because when someone else quotes you, you still to see the quote of the person you have on ignore. It is a pretty useless function really

You're right actually although i will take the fact i can avoid the vast majority of his drivel 

[Jerboa]

You're right actually although i will take the fact i can avoid the vast majority of his drivel 

But I don't block anyone, so I guess I will just have to grin and bear your drivel. 

[Doc Holliday]

But all the way until September 2022 Russia was willing to hand back all four occupied oblasts back to Ukraine.

That is not accurate. To my knowledge Putin has never said he was willing to give them back. He said he was willing to discuss whether he would be willing to give them back. That is not the same thing. I am not splitting hairs here.

At the Istanbul 2022 stage he suggested this discussion would happen 'down the line' once a cease fire was agreed. Of course this never happened and as you say by September it was off the table anyway.

[bigden40]

Yes it was a terrible mistake. Immediately acknowledged as such and did not impact on the tragedy in that unfortunately he would have died whatever they did. Police apologised and it is being investigated. The criminal has been sent to jail. People are trying to make political points out of this that are not there. Police got it wrong and that was terrible.

I’m not sure that this should be accepted at this point. It well may be that the wounds were not survivable but that does not excuse the police behaviour.  The bodycam footage shows distressing mistreatment and delayed care - handcuffing a clearly injured, pleading man is indefensible and undignified.

Officers dismissed visible distress and Nowak’s statements for minutes while prioritising a false racism allegation. Handcuffing could have worsened breathing/bleeding (impeding recovery position or pressure on wounds). Even if not survivable long-term, this denied him comfort or any marginal chance.

“Would have died anyway” sounds like excuse-making and it shifts focus from poor scene management. Basic humanity i.e. believing the victim and providing immediate aid was absent. Even unsurvivable injuries warrant maximum effort.

[Doc Holliday]

But I don't block anyone, so I guess I will just have to grin and bear your drivel. 

It is best just to not read but that is difficult to avoid. The next best thing is to not respond but people find that difficult also.

If you find his posts drivel you could just not respond?

[Jerboa]

I’m not sure that this should be accepted at this point. It well may be that the wounds were not survivable but that does not excuse the police behaviour.  The bodycam footage shows distressing mistreatment and delayed care - handcuffing a clearly injured, pleading man is indefensible and undignified.

Officers dismissed visible distress and Nowak’s statements for minutes while prioritising a false racism allegation. Handcuffing could have worsened breathing/bleeding (impeding recovery position or pressure on wounds). Even if not survivable long-term, this denied him comfort or any marginal chance.

“Would have died anyway” sounds like excuse-making and it shifts focus from poor scene management. Basic humanity i.e. believing the victim and providing immediate aid was absent. Even unsurvivable injuries warrant maximum effort.

The tragic Nowak case is a clear example of institutional racism in police towards whites. After the Stephen Lawrence case the whole pendulum has swang the other way, to where a report of racial abuse is treated by the indoctrinated constables as more urgent than a young man telling them he'd been stabbed, who is clearly little threat on the floor.

[Blackpool Rock]

I’m not sure that this should be accepted at this point. It well may be that the wounds were not survivable but that does not excuse the police behaviour.  The bodycam footage shows distressing mistreatment and delayed care - handcuffing a clearly injured, pleading man is indefensible and undignified.

Officers dismissed visible distress and Nowak’s statements for minutes while prioritising a false racism allegation. Handcuffing could have worsened breathing/bleeding (impeding recovery position or pressure on wounds). Even if not survivable long-term, this denied him comfort or any marginal chance.

“Would have died anyway” sounds like excuse-making and it shifts focus from poor scene management. Basic humanity i.e. believing the victim and providing immediate aid was absent. Even unsurvivable injuries warrant maximum effort.

But it is also extremely common for people being arrested or in custody to pretend to be ill or injured, for many it give them more of an opportunity to think about how to escape or even attack the officers while they are being assessed and "treated"
The officers would be well aware of this so unless someone is quite obviously injured would have cuffed him initially, when I watch the body cam footage I don't see any obvious injuries or signs of blood that you'd expect if someone had been stabbed

[Jerboa]

That is not accurate. To my knowledge Putin has never said he was willing to give them back. He said he was willing to discuss whether he would be willing to give them back. That is not the same thing. I am not splitting hairs here.

At the Istanbul 2022 stage he suggested this discussion would happen 'down the line' once a cease fire was agreed. Of course this never happened and as you say by September it was off the table anyway.

You can say that, it's open to interpretation, there is so much discussion that went on since the 24th Feb, very few people think Putin woke up one morning on the wrong side of the bed and gave the order to invade, the fact that Russia didn't automatically claim the territories on 24th Feb, only recognised the independence of the two Donbass republics, shows evidence the plan wasn't to annex Ukrainian land, they wanted a negotiated conclusion, for one thing the financial cost burden to Russia after taking on the new oblasts has been quite steep. I can't remember hearing any prominent Russian politician before 2022 calling to invade Ukraine, even after the maidan coup of February 2014 that drove out the democratically elected president from office.

[Jerboa]

But it is also extremely common for people being arrested or in custody to pretend to be ill or injured, for many it give them more of an opportunity to think about how to escape or even attack the officers while they are being assessed and "treated"
The officers would be well aware of this so unless someone is quite obviously injured would have cuffed him initially, when I watch the body cam footage I don't see any obvious injuries or signs of blood that you'd expect if someone had been stabbed

From someone who understands traumatic first aid treatment, the constables had a duty of care to check Henry for injuries, it wouldn't have taken long with the cooperation of Henry (ask him where he was stabbed) to find wounds, maybe the couple of minutes he could of been saved, maybe not as the coroner claims, but these indoctrinated muppets were more interested in handcuffing a non violent lad.

[Massagemanmr]

Khan has made london fall tbh.

khan has made London great tbh

[Doc Holliday]

You can say that, it's open to interpretation ..

Absolutely. Interpretation is everything.

the fact that Russia didn't automatically claim the territories on 24th Feb, only recognised the independence of the two Donbass republics, shows evidence the plan wasn't to annex Ukrainian land, they wanted a negotiated conclusion, for one thing the financial cost burden to Russia after taking on the new oblasts has been quite steep.

I wouldn't say 'evidence' once again speculation and interpretation 

.. very few people think Putin woke up one morning on the wrong side of the bed and gave the order to invade,

This is an interesting discussion point and I touched on this in another post. The Russian military build up on the Ukrainian border was seen a 'sabre rattling' to exert pressure etc but at what point did Putin decide the invasion would actually happen?

In the Hypersonics thread most members said he would not invade, but I thought otherwise as reports showed the medical capacity was also being scaled up significantly. You don't do this if you are bluffing.

There is also discussion that much of the Russian military, whilst preparing for invasion, felt it was just sabre ratting also and more especially when the order did come from Putin they were taken by surprise and this affected their battle readiness.

Once again speculation 

[Doc Holliday]

I’m not sure that this should be accepted at this point. It well may be that the wounds were not survivable but that does not excuse the police behaviour.  The bodycam footage shows distressing mistreatment and delayed care - handcuffing a clearly injured, pleading man is indefensible and undignified.

Officers dismissed visible distress and Nowak’s statements for minutes while prioritising a false racism allegation. Handcuffing could have worsened breathing/bleeding (impeding recovery position or pressure on wounds). Even if not survivable long-term, this denied him comfort or any marginal chance.

“Would have died anyway” sounds like excuse-making and it shifts focus from poor scene management. Basic humanity i.e. believing the victim and providing immediate aid was absent. Even unsurvivable injuries warrant maximum effort.

He had multiple stab wounds, but the fatal one was the one to the chest with an 8 inch blade and which he was never going to survive whatever the circumstances. The post mortem will have confirmed this. That said I am not sure what the time scale was between him being stabbed and the Police arriving? Can anyone advise?

The Police response is indeed appalling but as I have said many times before it is, in my experience, entirely dependent on the 'calibre' of the individual officers. This could have played out very differently in terms of the Police response at the scene.

I am unsure why he was handcuffed anyway? The footage is poor quality but he does not appear to be a threat?

In particular if someone says they have been stabbed and cannot breathe you need to examine them closely (especially if it is dark) but to instead say "I don't think so mate" is really poor practice. I find that staggering. I think this is just incompetence rather than any racial bias influencing their actions?

[Doc Holliday]

From someone who understands traumatic first aid treatment, the constables had a duty of care to check Henry for injuries, it wouldn't have taken long with the cooperation of Henry (ask him where he was stabbed) to find wounds, maybe the couple of minutes he could of been saved, maybe not as the coroner claims, but these indoctrinated muppets were more interested in handcuffing a non violent lad.

Mostly agree, as my post above, but I would say incompetent not indoctrinated 

[Jerboa]

Mostly agree, as my post above, but I would say incompetent not indoctrinated 

I would beg to differ, the woke mind virus is strong in the university educated police drones, they were racially bias. If that had been two white lad calling 999 and claiming to be racially assaulted, and constables found a young brown lad on the floor, with blood on his face and claiming he couldn't breath and he had been stabbed, I'd wager the constables actions would have been different.

[Jerboa]

Absolutely. Interpretation is everything.

I wouldn't say 'evidence' once again speculation and interpretation 

This is an interesting discussion point and I touched on this in another post. The Russian military build up on the Ukrainian border was seen a 'sabre rattling' to exert pressure etc but at what point did Putin decide the invasion would actually happen?

In the Hypersonics thread most members said he would not invade, but I thought otherwise as reports showed the medical capacity was also being scaled up significantly. You don't do this if you are bluffing.

There is also discussion that much of the Russian military, whilst preparing for invasion, felt it was just sabre ratting also and more especially when the order did come from Putin they were taken by surprise and this affected their battle readiness.

Once again speculation 

I agree that many in the Russian military believed it was a bluff, Moscow wanted to get a political movement in Kiev, a threat of Russian military on the borders was alarming. One of the worse decisions by Zelensky was days before the invasion, at the Munich security forum, he made that dumb speech where he announced Ukraine would seek to acquire nuclear weapons. Not one western leader criticised him.

Another point that is overlooked by many, was that the Ukrainian military had planned a offensive into the Donbass to take back the rebel territory. This was claimed to be planned for early March. There was a noticeable uptake in AFU artillery into the rebel areas, that looked like a pre offensive barrage. So maybe Moscow beat Kiev to the punch.

[Doc Holliday]

I would beg to differ ..

Yes I knew you would 

[Thephoenix]

Henry's dad read a statement outside the court which included:

'He was then pulled across the gravel, his hands forced behind his back, and he was placed in handcuffs'.
'Instead of being treated like a dying victim, police formally arrested Henry for assault and read him his rights'.
'That was the last thing he heard'.
'Henry did not die with dignity'.
'He lost consciousness before anyone believed him'.

'Henry should not have died on the streets of Southampton in police custody'.
'The way he was treated was inhumane and degrading'.

'His murderer, however was afforded decency, he was believed'.
'He was not handcuffed when arrested, he was not handcuffed when transported to the police station'.
'As far as we can understand it, he was never handcuffed at all'.

I wonder if we'll ever get to hear the true reasons why the police officers decided on their course of action.

Institutional woke  racism to avoid upsetting minority 'communities' embedded in police training?
Easier to handcuff some poor guy lying prone on the floor, rather than confront two big guys who may be carrying large knives?
Who knows?

[bigden40]

I found this substack on the Henry Nowak incident a good read.

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[puntingking]

I found this substack on the Henry Nowak incident a good read.

External Link/Members Only

A good read.

God, I feel so angered by this 

[Strawberry]

He had multiple stab wounds, but the fatal one was the one to the chest with an 8 inch blade and which he was never going to survive whatever the circumstances. The post mortem will have confirmed this. That said I am not sure what the time scale was between him being stabbed and the Police arriving? Can anyone advise?

The Police response is indeed appalling but as I have said many times before it is, in my experience, entirely dependent on the 'calibre' of the individual officers. This could have played out very differently in terms of the Police response at the scene.

I am unsure why he was handcuffed anyway? The footage is poor quality but he does not appear to be a threat?

In particular if someone says they have been stabbed and cannot breathe you need to examine them closely (especially if it is dark) but to instead say "I don't think so mate" is really poor practice. I find that staggering. I think this is just incompetence rather than any racial bias influencing their actions?

My initial gut feeling is there's something else going on here.

And it's really sad.

Police incompetency is real, and I have no doubt there is institutionalised racism in the force, there are decent officers too but they deal with stressful situations, and people's lives.

If you want to get into my politics I find it abhorrent that Farage is jumping all over this.

[puntingking]

If you want to get into my politics I find it abhorrent that Farage is jumping all over this.

+1


 I hate the fact that politicians from all parties turn this into a political point scoring exercise.

People are already angry, nobody wants to see another riot. They should be calming the public down.

[Punting2022]

Henry's dad read a statement outside the court which included:

'He was then pulled across the gravel, his hands forced behind his back, and he was placed in handcuffs'.
'Instead of being treated like a dying victim, police formally arrested Henry for assault and read him his rights'.
'That was the last thing he heard'.
'Henry did not die with dignity'.
'He lost consciousness before anyone believed him'.

'Henry should not have died on the streets of Southampton in police custody'.
'The way he was treated was inhumane and degrading'.

'His murderer, however was afforded decency, he was believed'.
'He was not handcuffed when arrested, he was not handcuffed when transported to the police station'.
'As far as we can understand it, he was never handcuffed at all'.

I wonder if we'll ever get to hear the true reasons why the police officers decided on their course of action.

Institutional woke  racism to avoid upsetting minority 'communities' embedded in police training?
Easier to handcuff some poor guy lying prone on the floor, rather than confront two big guys who may be carrying large knives?
Who knows?

two tier policing. Happened for Rochdale to let the muslim gangs off. Even today they groom and get away with it.
BLM, protest police were taking the knee. George Flloyd had a gun in USA so americas police had a right to arrest.

usless palestine protest, police say nothing, Tommy does one march. Full riot gear out in force.

[Doc Holliday]

I found this substack on the Henry Nowak incident a good read.

External Link/Members Only

I am not denying the 'two tier' accusation is not valid generally with the Police. In this case it seems to certainly apply to the way Digwa was arrested and not handcuffed etc. Also why were the brother and father not charged with anything?

However I am more concerned at the police handling of the event from a 'competency' angle. I have watched the video again both in better quality and on a better screen.

In relation to them listening to Digwa ahead of the victim, I am not sure they are actually listening to anyone? (this is common in my experience) They had already heard from Digwa that Nowak was injured and bleeding and that he had a fall from trying to climb on a bin.

The 999 calls including the one from a neighbour, both said there was someone injured. So faced with someone on the floor (be they perpetrator or victim) and who was clearly immobile and not fully responsive, they not only moved him but dragged him! Two officers then pulled him by his arms turned him over and handcuffed him. All without a basic assessment of his injury status.

That is truly shocking from a medical first responder aspect. A paramedic would be horrified.

In relation to time scale I asked about earlier I now gather that it was at least 20 minutes from when Nowak was stabbed to the Digwa's 999 call. This call lasted over 10 minutes FFS. I do not know how long it was from there before the first officers were dispatched and arrived?

I find it utterly depressing. I doubt anyone will be held accountable.

[RedKettle]

I’m not sure that this should be accepted at this point. It well may be that the wounds were not survivable but that does not excuse the police behaviour.  The bodycam footage shows distressing mistreatment and delayed care - handcuffing a clearly injured, pleading man is indefensible and undignified.

Officers dismissed visible distress and Nowak’s statements for minutes while prioritising a false racism allegation. Handcuffing could have worsened breathing/bleeding (impeding recovery position or pressure on wounds). Even if not survivable long-term, this denied him comfort or any marginal chance.

“Would have died anyway” sounds like excuse-making and it shifts focus from poor scene management. Basic humanity i.e. believing the victim and providing immediate aid was absent. Even unsurvivable injuries warrant maximum effort.

To be clear, as I thought I was, I did not defend the police.  They made a mistake and I agree 100% with the words of the father, who I thought in the circumstances was dignified.  However what I do not agree with are some of the conclusions drawn from the event and the comparisons made for example with George Floyd.   In that case the death was a direct result from police action and part of a widespread culture in the treatment of people of colour.  In this case it was a mistake that lasted minutes with quick acceptance by the police that they got it wrong.  The cause of death was the stabbing by the man who is now in jail and not the actions of the police - however wrong they were.

[finn5555]

as expected from Reform the racist MP Robert Jenrick has used the poor boys death to have a pop at Shabana Mahmood 

[Jerboa]

To be clear, as I thought I was, I did not defend the police.  They made a mistake and I agree 100% with the words of the father, who I thought in the circumstances was dignified.  However what I do not agree with are some of the conclusions drawn from the event and the comparisons made for example with George Floyd.   In that case the death was a direct result from police action and part of a widespread culture in the treatment of people of colour.  In this case it was a mistake that lasted minutes with quick acceptance by the police that they got it wrong.  The cause of death was the stabbing by the man who is now in jail and not the actions of the police - however wrong they were.

George Floyd died of a overdose of fentanyl, the toxicology results show, but that didn't let facts get in the way of the narrative. The officer looked bad the way he was kneeling on Floyd, but that was actually a trained restraining hold that was taught in his police department. There is no evidence he was racist, but that didn't stop the BLM grift. Have you heard of the name Tony Timpa? I doubt it, wonder why?

[DastardlyDick]

I thought most kirpins were soft pliable metal worn in clothing that aren't usually sharp or deadly.

They frequently are, but the law allows the real thing to be carried.

[Jerboa]

as expected from Reform the racist MP Robert Jenrick has used the poor boys death to have a pop at Shabana Mahmood 

Everyone you don't like is a wacist! 

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[Jerboa]

They frequently are, but the law allows the real thing to be carried.

It has been reported that the killer didn't use a kirpin, it was a 8 inch dagger, the lunatic had a fascination for knives, the killer, his dad and brother were in court today on charges of owning offensive weapons. I wonder if there is a history of them using weapons in public.

[finn5555]

They frequently are, but the law allows the real thing to be carried.

Correct

I see Digwa was back in court today on weapons charges.

The alleged weapons are a flick knife, an extendable baton, knuckledusters, a machete, swords and kusaris.

His father, Moga Singh, 52, and his brother, Gurpreet Digwa, 27 - who are on bail - appeared alongside him to face the same charges.

They all need substantial sentences 

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'll give you a clue 

If that government is deemed to be a front for the US.
Which it clearly is.

[Doc Holliday]

the killer, his dad and brother were in court today on charges of owning offensive weapons. I wonder if there is a history of them using weapons in public.

Thanks for that it answers my question above 

I understand the killer had no previous convictions.

[mills_and_bhuna]

In a remarkable piece of consistency I see the government has denied entry to left-wingers Hasan Piker and Cenk Uyger so at least they’re silencing debate on the left too   

I don’t support this on either side of the spectrum.

Agreed.
There again it's interesting that calls for open warfare against muslims is regarded as the equivalent to what Cenk and Hasan have said.