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If that government is deemed to be a front for the US.
Which it clearly is.

So the answer is yes you think Putin invaded to topple the Ukraine government. So do I.

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Where is your experience of Russians thinking they are superior to others, or did you pull that out of......?
Working there.

Offline mills_and_bhuna

Alexei Navalny was imprisoned on false charges then killed by the Putin Regime.

As for ''pretty easy for the anti Putin oligarchs'' is not true. Its not ''pretty easy'' to remove Putin and ''install a Yeltsin type leader'' at all.

Your entire post is unrealistic fantasy.
How do you know they were false charges?
You're just spouting blatant propaganda now.

Offline mills_and_bhuna

How were they going to manage to ''get in a western puppet similar to Yeltsin''?
Usual playbook.
You seriously think they wouldn't try?

Offline mills_and_bhuna

You mean the guy arrested on trumped up charges, imprisoned through a sham trial, then poisoned and murdered while in jail.
Describing him as you have just shows what an immoral disgusting noxious liar you are.
Propaganda got you too?

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Usual playbook.
You seriously think they wouldn't try?

I think he was being slightly disingenuous.  :rolleyes:

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Those who impugn poor morals on others I find are usually the gentlemen that are the one's lacking in morality.  :hi:

As for Navalny, he was a asset of MI6, his chief of staff was caught red handed in a Moscow restaurant asking for millions from a MI6 agent. He was a astroturfed political figure in Russia, also he was a actual far right racist, not a pretend one that you would label a nationalist who is proud of their country. But a racist who had a hatred of Central Asians, there are videos online of him at rallies. He was your new hope for Russia?  :D
These people are unbelievable.
Navalny's widow was paraded at a 'Peace conference' a few days later.
It was such a staged event it made the Nobel Peace Prize look legit.

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as expected from Reform the racist MP Robert Jenrick has used the poor boys death to have a pop at Shabana Mahmood  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm glad you have pointed out the most important point here  :rolleyes:

Offline Squire Haggard

How do you know they were false charges?
You're just spouting blatant propaganda now.
You're just spouting your usual blatant anti western propaganda again.

Why not move to Iran since you like the regime there so much?

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two tier policing. Happened for Rochdale to let the muslim gangs off. Even today they groom and get away with it.
BLM, protest police were taking the knee. George Flloyd had a gun in USA so americas police had a right to arrest.

usless palestine protest, police say nothing, Tommy does one march. Full riot gear out in force.

I do agree to an extent but lets have a sense of proportionality when discussing this.
Police have also made wrong decisions which have caused the harm to non white men too.
However, they do seem to be a two tier policing which is no fault of genuine officers but it is the fault of the top of the police and govenments.

I do not think the policemen and police women in this case are evil, I just think they were badly trained and been taught to think about hate crime more than actual crime.

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I'm glad you have pointed out the most important point here  :rolleyes:

My pleasure we need to eradicate racism, there should be no place for it in society  :hi: :hi:

Offline Squire Haggard

Usual playbook.
You seriously think they wouldn't try?
You seriously think they would succeed?

They have not in many decades but dont let the facts get in the way. :rolleyes:

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We need to get back to basic policing and no one person should be under or above the law. Everyone should be treated the same and with respect until tried and found guilty in a courtroom.

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I think he was being slightly disingenuous.  :rolleyes:
He wasn't.

He was just looking at the fact that it has not yet happened over many decades.
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My pleasure we need to eradicate racism, there should be no place for it in society  :hi: :hi:


We also need to eradicate poor policing methods which is what we talking about.

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On reflection we need to keep the thoughts of the victims family in mind and tread sensitively because words can cut deep to those that are affected by them.

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He wasn't.

He was just looking at the fact that it has not yet happened over many decades.
Not for want of trying

Offline Squire Haggard

Not for want of trying
That would be your usual anti western viewpoint.

They have never succeeded.

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 I hate the fact that politicians from all parties turn this into a political point scoring exercise.

People are already angry, nobody wants to see another riot. They should be calming the public down.
Just seen on the news there are protests kicking off but don't worry it's all sorted as Tommy R Yaxley Lennon / whatever alias he's going under today is down there (surprise surprise)

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I am not denying the 'two tier' accusation is not valid generally with the Police. In this case it seems to certainly apply to the way Digwa was arrested and not handcuffed etc. Also why were the brother and father not charged with anything?

However I am more concerned at the police handling of the event from a 'competency' angle. I have watched the video again both in better quality and on a better screen.

In relation to them listening to Digwa ahead of the victim, I am not sure they are actually listening to anyone? (this is common in my experience) They had already heard from Digwa that Nowak was injured and bleeding and that he had a fall from trying to climb on a bin.

The 999 calls including the one from a neighbour, both said there was someone injured. So faced with someone on the floor (be they perpetrator or victim) and who was clearly immobile and not fully responsive, they not only moved him but dragged him! Two officers then pulled him by his arms turned him over and handcuffed him. All without a basic assessment of his injury status.

That is truly shocking from a medical first responder aspect. A paramedic would be horrified.

In relation to time scale I asked about earlier I now gather that it was at least 20 minutes from when Nowak was stabbed to the Digwa's 999 call. This call lasted over 10 minutes FFS. I do not know how long it was from there before the first officers were dispatched and arrived?

I find it utterly depressing. I doubt anyone will be held accountable.

Thanks for this, very helpful. 

I do agree that there’s a huge degree of incompetence here.  I do think there’s institutional groupthink driving behaviours too.   

Policing overall is in a parlous state in the UK today. 

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To be clear, as I thought I was, I did not defend the police.  They made a mistake and I agree 100% with the words of the father, who I thought in the circumstances was dignified.  However what I do not agree with are some of the conclusions drawn from the event and the comparisons made for example with George Floyd.   In that case the death was a direct result from police action and part of a widespread culture in the treatment of people of colour.  In this case it was a mistake that lasted minutes with quick acceptance by the police that they got it wrong.  The cause of death was the stabbing by the man who is now in jail and not the actions of the police - however wrong they were.

I didn’t think you were defending the police, I just wanted to challenge the “he would have died anyway” line that the authorities seem to be trotting out to excuse their behaviour/incompetence.

As for George Floyd, his cause of death was not a direct result of police action …. it was caused by his own ingestion of narcotics and underlying poor health.  In the fullness of time I believe that the conviction of the policeman on murder charges will proven to be a miscarriage of justice - it was politically expedient mob justice.  But that’s a whole other debate.

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Thanks for this, very helpful. 

I do agree that there’s a huge degree of incompetence here.  I do think there’s institutional groupthink driving behaviours too.   

Policing overall is in a parlous state in the UK today.

It was mentioned here earlier that there was a 20-30 minute delay between Henry being stabbed and the police (not ambulance) being called, if the poor lad had been swiftly taken to hospital, he may have survived, charges of manslaughter should also be laid at the murderers brother, he knew Henry had been stabbed repeatedly, and only called the police to cry racism and cover their arse.

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I didn’t think you were defending the police, I just wanted to challenge the “he would have died anyway” line that the authorities seem to be trotting out to excuse their behaviour/incompetence.

As for George Floyd, his cause of death was not a direct result of police action …. it was caused by his own ingestion of narcotics and underlying poor health.  In the fullness of time I believe that the conviction of the policeman on murder charges will proven to be a miscarriage of justice - it was politically expedient mob justice.  But that’s a whole other debate.

As I said earlier, Floyd had OD on fentanyl, he wasn't killed by the direct actions of the officer, just the restraining technique looked bad, if he'd got narcan anti fentanyl administered in time he might have survived.

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It was mentioned here earlier that there was a 20-30 minute delay between Henry being stabbed and the police (not ambulance) being called, if the poor lad had been swiftly taken to hospital, he may have survived, charges of manslaughter should also be laid at the murderers brother, he knew Henry had been stabbed repeatedly, and only called the police to cry racism and cover their arse.

From available information it seems it was at least 30 minutes.

I am also surprised his brother has not been charged with something other than weapons offences. Especially since reading the Judges sentencing remarks where the Police recorded a conversation between the brothers.

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It also shed light on the chest injury situation in that his chances of survival were nil.

"The knife passed through, several layers of clothing, as demonstrated by the multiple slits in his dark top where the material had been overlaid on itself in the struggle and the single slit in his shirt. It passed upwards through soft tissue, between the two uppermost ribs, catching a lung and cutting an important vein, behind the collar bone. This was to a depth of 8cm from the skin surface. The consequent bleeding flowed into his chest cavity.  The pathologist, Amanda Jeffrey, found 1200 ml, or over 2 pints, of blood there.  She said that no emergency medical treatment would have permitted access to the bleeding vein. In simple terms, he would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment."

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How can it be right someone can wear a knife for religious purposes and which they are allowed to use it to defend themselves if needed and yet people that have not signed up to that religion cannot. non Religious people that are not of that so called faith would be like sitting ducks if someone decides to attack them.

If members of ones faith are allowed to carry a knife for their religion, then can they have some caveats such as members of the sikhs community are not allowed in law to cut their hairs as that is against their faith. Should this become law too, they can't have more rights then the rest of us, they should also own their religion and have a new set of rules which is inwind in law that sets out what they cannot do that the rest of us are alliowed to do.

two tier law based system aswell.  :dash:

Just for the record, I am not talking about their religion as that is against the rules of this site. I am speaking about our laws and how one group have seemiling got more rights in law than another group. THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT  :unknown:
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How’s this for a community note!!



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They say " don't let the far right divide us". I actually think the far left is far more divisive.

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They say " don't let the far right divide us". I actually think the far left is far more divisive.

The “far right” has unfortunately become a catch all term for anyone that disagrees with an approved set of views.

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I am left thinking that I hope Arsenal get relegated next season just so to upset Kier starmer  :rolleyes:


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Southampton live.

I would not like to be one of the police there, taking the flak for colleagues failings.

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Southampton live.

I would not like to be one of the police there, taking the flak for colleagues failings.

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Englands finest on display  :wacko: :dash:

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How can it be right someone can wear a knife for religious purposes and which they are allowed to use it to defend themselves if needed and yet people that have not signed up to that religion cannot. non Religious people that are not of that so called faith would be like sitting ducks if someone decides to attack them.

If members of ones faith are allowed to carry a knife for their religion, then can they have some caveats such as members of the sikhs community are not allowed in law to cut their hairs as that is against their faith. Should this become law too, they can't have more rights then the rest of us, they should also own their religion and have a new set of rules which is inwind in law that sets out what they cannot do that the rest of us are alliowed to do.

two tier law based system aswell.  :dash:

Just for the record, I am not talking about their religion as that is against the rules of this site. I am speaking about our laws and how one group have seemiling got more rights in law than another group. THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT  :unknown:
Anyone can carry a knife so long as it's a manual (no flick knives) non locking folding knife with a cutting edge no more than 3 inches long. Anything else and you have to have a "good reason" for carrying it such as Work e.g a Chef, Outdoor Pursuits e.g fishing, but you must be travelling directly to or from the location, Religious or Cultural reasons and Theatrical use e.g for use on stage or historical re-enactment. The  "just in case" reason will not work.
When I worked in Law Enforcement, to claim you were a Sikh, you had to be in possession of all of the 5 Ks.

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They are Trotskyist scum, they make a habit of counter demoing, they did it in Bristol the other day on a demo for Henry, they also have counter demoed the Pink ladies when they were holding demos against migrants raping women and girls, how can you be against a people not wanting women raped? They have little humanity. External Link/Members Only

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On reflection we need to keep the thoughts of the victims family in mind and tread sensitively because words can cut deep to those that are affected by them.

Fat chance.

Offline Thephoenix

I do agree to an extent but lets have a sense of proportionality when discussing this.
Police have also made wrong decisions which have caused the harm to non white men too.
However, they do seem to be a two tier policing which is no fault of genuine officers but it is the fault of the top of the police and govenments.

I do not think the policemen and police women in this case are evil, I just think they were badly trained and been taught to think about hate crime more than actual crime.

The family of the accused have apologised for bringing their 'community' into disrepute.

Every time I hear such statements I can't help feeling slightly glum.

It's the reality we live in, but I hark back to my childhood days growing up in the 40s and 50s when I don't recall hearing very much about 'communities'.

It was just community.

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How can it be right someone can wear a knife for religious purposes and which they are allowed to use it to defend themselves if needed and yet people that have not signed up to that religion cannot. non Religious people that are not of that so called faith would be like sitting ducks if someone decides to attack them.

If members of ones faith are allowed to carry a knife for their religion, then can they have some caveats such as members of the sikhs community are not allowed in law to cut their hairs as that is against their faith. Should this become law too, they can't have more rights then the rest of us, they should also own their religion and have a new set of rules which is inwind in law that sets out what they cannot do that the rest of us are alliowed to do.

two tier law based system aswell.  :dash:

Just for the record, I am not talking about their religion as that is against the rules of this site. I am speaking about our laws and how one group have seemiling got more rights in law than another group. THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT  :unknown:

Perhaps understand the law on this and the facts of this case before you comment..  Mind you nobody else who is kicking off has bothered.

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They are Trotskyist scum, they make a habit of counter demoing, they did it in Bristol the other day on a demo for Henry, they also have counter demoed the Pink ladies when they were holding demos against migrants raping women and girls, how can you be against a people not wanting women raped? They have little humanity. External Link/Members Only

Raking up the irrelevant and pointless again I see. The two "demonstrations" had about 12 attendees each. Totally pointless and each comprising a few brain dead ideas banging a bongo for attention. You mentioning them just shows you as trying to create an issue from nothing. Typical Russian propaganda - magnify the trivial into a false problem.

As for the link you attached - if they've got a known fascist like Timmy Robinson attaching himself to the meeting then people are going to object

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The circumstances surrounding the murder of Henry Nowak by Vickrum Digwa were in every way appalling – but, as often in emotive cases like this, there have been too many knee-jerk reactions.

I don’t suppose that the police officers who dealt with the incident are wicked people.  They arrived with their heads full of the accusations of racism that had been made in the 999 call – and fatally failed to react to the reality of the situation as they found it, and indeed even to use their common sense.

Also it is almost certainly true that, having for years been accused of institutional racism, the police have now swung too far the other way.  The culture that posits that few crimes are worse than racism was almost certainly a factor in the police’s failure to “recalibrate” when they arrived at the scene.

Kemi Badenoch was pitch-perfect in an interview that was broadcast on BBC Newsnight last night – intelligent, fair-minded and statesmanlike.  She has developed into by far the most impressive of the current crop of party leaders (though it is not, I accept, a very competitive field).

Nigel Farage’s comments were shameful and ill-judged.  Quite apart from anything else, he should have respected the Nowaks’ request that their family tragedy should not be politicised.

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This is also a symptom of decades of western media, society and politics blaming black , brown and Muslim being held to one standard and others to another

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I would not like to be one of the police there, taking the flak for colleagues failings.

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11 police officers injured last night i see has been reported.

Right wing senseless violence again  :crazy: :thumbsdown: :crazy: :thumbsdown:


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Raking up the irrelevant and pointless again I see. The two "demonstrations" had about 12 attendees each. Totally pointless and each comprising a few brain dead ideas banging a bongo for attention. You mentioning them just shows you as trying to create an issue from nothing. Typical Russian propaganda - magnify the trivial into a false problem.

As for the link you attached - if they've got a known fascist like Timmy Robinson attaching himself to the meeting then people are going to object

So because you say 12 people attended a vigil for Henry in Bristol, then it's ok for SUTR to counter demo it? What was the second demo you were referring to, or did you pull that out of your arse? The Trotskyists are funded to go around counter demoing women & children, if they had any self respect they would take a look in the mirror.

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A pointless article. The patriot system is a expensive white elephant. A single interceptor missile unit cost is $3 million and $7 million, the system will fire two missiles at any target. When using it against geran drones costs between $20,000 and $50,000. In the 1991 Gulf war, the patriot was promoted as the hero, for intercepting Iraqi scud missiles, this was a big lie, no patriots took down any scuds, but the myth was built, and Raytheon made billions.

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so the far-right activist racist Tommy Robinson was among speakers who addressed the crowd outside Southampton central police station at the 'Justice for Henry Nowak' protest.

Then watched on as his patriots thugs attacked the police and people think he does good for the UK  :crazy: :crazy:

The leader of the far-right party Reform UK, Nigel Farage, said people should respond with "pure cold rage" to Nowak's treatment by police, calling it evidence of a "two-tier culture." so he also encouraged the pack of animals into violence  :dash: :dash:
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so the far-right activist racist Tommy Robinson was among speakers who addressed the crowd outside Southampton central police station at the 'Justice for Henry Nowak' protest.
Obviously Tommy is neither far right, or racist, the real far right ethno nats hate him

Then watched on as his patriots thugs attacked the police and people think he does good for the UK  :crazy: :crazy: Do you have any footage of TR watching on as protesters attacked the police? Nope absolute bollocks.

The leader of the far-right party Reform UK, Nigel Farage, said people should respond with "pure cold rage" to Nowak's treatment by police, calling it evidence of a "two-tier culture." so he also encouraged the pack of animals into violence  :dash: :dash: Amazing how the leftwaffe find it more important to condemn Farage for his remarks, rather than understand why the public are angry.

Cold rage is a highly controlled, suppressed form of intense anger. Instead of a loud, explosive outburst, it manifests as a calm, calculated, and terrifyingly focused mindset. The fantasy of your post, it's amazing.  :rolleyes:
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I see one of the Officers has resigned, which will keep his pension safe. The three remaining Officers are being treated as Witnesses, which leads me to think that the IOPC has focused on just the one who cuffed Nowak.

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The circumstances surrounding the murder of Henry Nowak by Vickrum Digwa were in every way appalling – but, as often in emotive cases like this, there have been too many knee-jerk reactions.


Would you call the riots last night whipped up by fascists, including Tommy Robinson are knee jerk  :unknown:

Robinson, Farage and other extreme right wing protagonists are weaponising the killing of Henry Nowak to build up a fascist street fighting force  :dash:

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The Mandelson documents and correspondence have been fascinating. 

IMO Pat McFadden comes across as the only adult in the room. 

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Every meeting I have is “who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others”.

Yes Pat, they are asking the wrong questions.  Fuck me.

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At PMQ's the whole uniparty backed the usual we must learn lessons and not create division on Henry Nowak. No politicians or commentators I've seen have been divisive. People want a constructive conversation about two tier policing and the scourge of CRT and DEI in many of the states institutions. The hypocrisy of Two Tier Starmer, and others who after the death of career criminal George Floyd in America in 2020, I never heard any condemnation of the violence back then.

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I see one of the Officers has resigned, which will keep his pension safe.

As a front line responder they are more likely to be a younger junior PC than a long in the tooth time server looking at imminent retirement...