The Politics Thread

[Massagemanmr]

Link to where I lied and deceived.

What lies and deceit are you talking about?

you know where I lt is

[Massagemanmr]

Uncovered the secret plot to destroy Jewish politician Zack
Polanski with fake anti Semitism

You've all seen this movie before the Israel lobby and fake anti Semitism to Jeremy Corbyn and now turned on Jewish politician Zack

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[Squire Haggard]

you agree with video.

this is the problem when you lie and deceive you have to remember the lies and deceit you lay and eventually they will catch up with you....

Link to where I lied and deceived.

What lies and deceit are you talking about?

Can you explain what you are talking about.

[Doc Holliday]

Link to where I lied and deceived.

What lies and deceit are you talking about?

Can you explain what you are talking about.

I think he gets confused about the contents of posts and who has said what?

Good luck with getting an answer. I didn't.
I get really suspicious when people don't reply to simple questions

[mills_and_bhuna]

I watched that video, and had a good laugh, how many times did the narrator say far right? Oh he went on a invited trip to Israel! Yes he says he's a zionist, but he has also said Britain comes first, who wouldn't support Israel to the detriment of his own nation. The Jewish board of deputies are woke leftards. Oh he wore a Mossad and IDF t-shirts! Oh bright lads, he's banged to rights.  Lowkey is a moron, if you want to talk about being paid by foreign countries, I'd suggest you look for bank tranfers from Qatar. Unite the Kingdom far right rally? There were women, kids and pensioners there, and it was more than 150,000 times it by 10. "Violating UK counter terror laws" oh was that the court case at Westminster where the judge agreed that the police stop under schedule 7 was politically motivated?  But what do you expect TRT News aka the Turkish Muslim Broterhood branch. 

Classsic bullshit.
And Lowkey may be many things but he is no moron.
He appears to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the links between Unit 8200 of the IDF, our 'intelligence services' , arms manufacturers and Zionist donors.
Indeed to call him a moron in the same paragraph as a defence of that intellectual wasteland that is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is laughable.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Link to where I lied and deceived.

What lies and deceit are you talking about?

I think he was saying the woman was spouting lies in the clip you posted and that you were agreeing with her.
And she was being lying and deceitful as I pointed out in my previous post

[Thephoenix]

So they folded.
I guess they didn't want the grief that the mainstream media would throw at them.

You'll have to give me a minute.
I'm having real trouble picturing Jeremy Corbyn and Mick Lynch folding because of the main stream media.   

[Doc Holliday]

Classsic bullshit.

Guys, there is a 27 page thread here where all this has been done to death

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=401663.1300

[Doc Holliday]

I think he was saying the woman was spouting lies in the clip you posted and that you were agreeing with her.
And she was being lying and deceitful as I pointed out in my previous post

Any chance you could explain what your buddy meant in his post to me?

[Jerboa]

Classsic bullshit.
And Lowkey may be many things but he is no moron.
He appears to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the links between Unit 8200 of the IDF, our 'intelligence services' , arms manufacturers and Zionist donors.
Indeed to call him a moron in the same paragraph as a defence of that intellectual wasteland that is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is laughable.

"According to his former employee" a employee who fell out with Tommy, and who is actually infatuated with him to bunny boiler levels. So let me elaborate, Lowkey is a bullshitting lowlife.
To say Stephen is a intellecual wasteland, is laugable, the bloke is very sharp, he went on Newsnight with the BBC thinking he would fall appart, and he schooled Paxman.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Any chance you could explain what your buddy meant in his post to me?

I really think you should take time off from this weird fixation

[mills_and_bhuna]

"According to his former employee" a employee who fell out with Tommy, and who is actually infatuated with him to bunny boiler levels. So let me elaborate, Lowkey is a bullshitting lowlife.
To say Stephen is a intellecual wasteland, is laugable, the bloke is very sharp, he went on Newsnight with the BBC thinking he would fall appart, and he schooled Paxman.

He's a Zionist bootlicker, well remunerated by Shillman and his ilk.
His job is to spout anti-Islam propaganda.
Feel free to regard him as a good faith, well informed source.
No doubt you are similarly enthralled by Kisin, Hopkins, Philips and Hartley-Brewer.
I reserve the right to consider them Zionist shills.

[Jerboa]

He's a Zionist bootlicker, well remunerated by Shillman and his ilk.
His job is to spout anti-Islam propaganda.
Feel free to regard him as a good faith, well informed source.
No doubt you are similarly enthralled by Kisin, Hopkins, Philips and Hartley-Brewer.
I reserve the right to consider them Zionist shills.

It's so funny, you think being pro zionist is a bad thing, Tommy wishes he was well remunerated by zionists, but that is not the case, calling him a shill is dumb.
Calling out Islam for the toxic political ideology that is not compatable with the west is not extreme sunshine, it's from first hand experience growing up in Luton. 

[Doc Holliday]

I really think you should take time off from this weird fixation

Why? Are you concerned about my well being? I'm fine no need to worry.

So I take it then you cannot explain the meaning of Mrman's  post?

Talking of fixations ... do you think perhaps you have an unhealthy attachment to the Politics thread?

[Doc Holliday]

Guys, there is a 27 page thread here where all this has been done to death

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=401663.1300

Oh well ... that one fell on stony ground 

[sparkus]

Why? Are you concerned about my well being? I'm fine no need to worry.

So I take it then you cannot explain the meaning of Mrman's  post?

Talking of fixations ... do you think perhaps you have an unhealthy attachment to the Politics thread?

On the latter point, I was stunned to see he actually punts!

Come on M&B, tell us where the skinny chicks with big racks are in London...

[DastardlyDick]

On the latter point, I was stunned to see he actually punts!

Come on M&B, tell us where the skinny chicks with big racks are in London...

I may disagree with his politics, but his choice in SPs is good.

[scutty brown]

Oh well ... that one fell on stony ground 

All parables should be taken with a big dose of syrup of figs

[Doc Holliday]

I may disagree with his politics, but his choice in SPs is good.

I actually agree with some of his politics. Just not all of it. What I object to is his obnoxious, aggressive online persona, but only because I am sure it is false.

I suspect there is a nice guy out there who in real life, wouldn’t interact with anyone in the way M&B does, but when I ask him about this he refuses to engage.

He is clearly intelligent but presents as totally intransigent to differing opinions. I also doubt that aspect is genuinely him (though I may be wrong) but is also just part of the false confrontational M&B.

If you go back to before around 2021 the UKP M&B persona was very different. He is a member from 2017. Little sign of confrontation and certainly no evidence of the increasing level of deliberate trolling. That is unusual. Most trolls have a consistent history of this activity.

Yes, he has been on the receiving end of trolling too (mostly self inflicted) though far less than he was in the past, as most now ignore him. The exception is currently myself as clearly I am deliberately pursuing him. This is to gauge response to being wound up by me.

I am genuinely concerned for him. It is not healthy. I suggest it is not especially good for the forum either?

[Doc Holliday]

On the latter point, I was stunned to see he actually punts!

Come on M&B, tell us where the skinny chicks with big racks are in London...

You do know he is in Scotland? 

Yes unlike myself he is an active punter, though, like many older members, perhaps less active than he has historically been?

As you hint at, you wouldn’t know it from his forum activity though. He reviewed in late January 26 and since then has around 300 posts to date. That is circa 3 per day.

95% of those posts are in this Politics thread. Only one of his last 300 posts are outside of Off Topic and in any way punting related which is this one https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=450985.msg4428172#msg4428172

The majority of his other posts in 'off topic' (circa 15) also revolve around his obsession with his political slant or pursuing other members into other threads ie (trolling)

Hence why I asked him this

Talking of fixations ... do you think perhaps you have an unhealthy attachment to the Politics thread?

EDIT oh and if Mrman wants evidence for all the above I have it all. What's more it is a single evidence source common to us all and and not YouTube channels.

[Massagemanmr]

I think he gets confused about the contents of posts and who has said what?

Good luck with getting an answer. I didn't.
I get really suspicious when people don't reply to simple questions

he knows exactly what he did The woman was conflating Jews and Israel And he was agreeing with everything she was saying in the video

I mean you would never do that right conflate Jews in Israel?

But this is the problem when you are dishonest is that eventually that dishonesty will catch up with you

[Massagemanmr]

I actually agree with some of his politics. Just not all of it. What I object to is his obnoxious, aggressive online persona, but only because I am sure it is false.

I suspect there is a nice guy out there who in real life, wouldn’t interact with anyone in the way M&B does, but when I ask him about this he refuses to engage.

He is clearly intelligent but presents as totally intransigent to differing opinions. I also doubt that aspect is genuinely him (though I may be wrong) but is also just part of the false confrontational M&B.

If you go back to before around 2021 the UKP M&B persona was very different. He is a member from 2017. Little sign of confrontation and certainly no evidence of the increasing level of deliberate trolling. That is unusual. Most trolls have a consistent history of this activity.

Yes, he has been on the receiving end of trolling too (mostly self inflicted) though far less than he was in the past, as most now ignore him. The exception is currently myself as clearly I am deliberately pursuing him. This is to gauge response to being wound up by me.

I am genuinely concerned for him. It is not healthy. I suggest it is not especially good for the forum either?

You can say the same for some of these people on the forum that refuse to allow genuine and honest criticism of Israel and continue to conflate Jews and Israel, hence why we get so many fake anti-semitism claims

How messed up  is there sense of moral values , How did they end up in such a state?

[Doc Holliday]

he knows exactly what he did The woman was conflating Jews and Israel And he was agreeing with everything she was saying in the video

I mean you would never do that right conflate Jews in Israel?

But this is the problem when you are dishonest is that eventually that dishonesty will catch up with you

You can say the same for some of these people on the forum that refuse to allow genuine and honest criticism of Israel and continue to conflate Jews and Israel, hence why we get so many fake anti-semitism claims

How messed up  is there sense of moral values , How did they end up in such a state?

What the fuck has any of that got to do with the content of my posts? Can you show me where I have expressed an opinion about Jews/Israel/ Antisemitism in this thread?

I have pursued you about not getting a reply to one of my posts. I joked to someone else about "good luck getting a reply from you".

Are you actually reading anything properly?

[Massagemanmr]

What the fuck has any of that got to do with the content of my posts? Can you show me where I have expressed an opinion about Jews/Israel/ Antisemitism in this thread?

I have pursued you about not getting a reply to one of my posts. I joked to someone else about "good luck getting a reply from you".

Are you actually reading anything properly?

calm down please I am talking in general

on the other point i back up my claims here's the evidence

Uncovered the secret plot to destroy Jewish politician Zack Polanski with fake anti Semitism claims

You've all seen this movie before the Israel lobby and fake anti Semitism to Jeremy Corbyn and now turned on Jewish politician Zack Polanksi

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[Doc Holliday]

calm down please I am talking in general

on the other point i back up my claims here's the evidence

Uncovered the secret plot to destroy Jewish politician Zack Polanski with fake anti Semitism claims

You've all seen this movie before the Israel lobby and fake anti Semitism to Jeremy Corbyn and now turned on Jewish politician Zack Polanksi

External Link/Members Only

I am perfectly calm. Once again nothing in your reply relates to the content and questions I asked in my post as below?

I have not discussed nor do I have any interest in discussing Israel in this thread.

What the fuck has any of that got to do with the content of my posts? Can you show me where I have expressed an opinion about Jews/Israel/ Antisemitism in this thread?

I have pursued you about not getting a reply to one of my posts. I joked to someone else about "good luck getting a reply from you".

Are you actually reading anything properly?

[Massagemanmr]

Do you see the issue I'm referring to or you don't ?

[Jerboa]

The Ukrainian arson trial of Kier Starmer's property

Ukrainians Roman Lavrynovych, 22, Petro Pochynok, 35, and Romanian Stanislav Carpiuc, 27, are charged with conspiracy to damage property by fire between 1 April and 13 May last year, they are standing trial at the old bailey.
There has been a lot of talk online of how did these young men know Starmer's properties and if they were rent boys, from reading the live reporting from sly news, if they're trustworthy, it sounds like a intelligence operation by a hostile power, a shadow figure El Money contacted the Ukrainian lads online, and offered them money to firebomb property, they likely had no idea who's property they were attacking. It's likely only a intelligence agency would know the exact addresses and former car of Starmer, (unless El Money is Angela Rayner) sabotage acts like this have become common in Russia and Ukraine in the past 4 years, locals offered money to sabotage locations. Unlikley it was Ukraine, as Starmer is on his knees noshing off the dwarf comedian, so what was the point?

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[DastardlyDick]

The Ukrainian arson trial of Kier Starmer's property

Ukrainians Roman Lavrynovych, 22, Petro Pochynok, 35, and Romanian Stanislav Carpiuc, 27, are charged with conspiracy to damage property by fire between 1 April and 13 May last year, they are standing trial at the old bailey.
There has been a lot of talk online of how did these young men know Starmer's properties and if they were rent boys, from reading the live reporting from sly news, if they're trustworthy, it sounds like a intelligence operation by a hostile power, a shadow figure El Money contacted the Ukrainian lads online, and offered them money to firebomb property, they likely had no idea who's property they were attacking. It's likely only a intelligence agency would know the exact addresses and former car of Starmer, (unless El Money is Angela Rayner) sabotage acts like this have become common in Russia and Ukraine in the past 4 years, locals offered money to sabotage locations. Unlikley it was Ukraine, as Starmer is on his knees noshing off the dwarf comedian, so what was the point?

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False flag? 

[scutty brown]

so what was the point?

Well that's obvious. Part of Russia's asymmetric warfare intended to destabilise the UK as a country and Starmer as a leader.
They will try to attack him in any and everyway possible. You don't think the current trend to portray him negatively in the press is accidental do you? Planted inflammatory stories intended to make him resign.

[Jerboa]

Well that's obvious. Part of Russia's asymmetric warfare intended to destabilise the UK as a country and Starmer as a leader.
They will try to attack him in any and everyway possible. You don't think the current trend to portray him negatively in the press is accidental do you? Planted inflammatory stories intended to make him resign.

Two tier doesn't need any help from the GRU, he is as popular as a dose of gonorrhea, more comfortable going abroad and promising our money to the most corrupt country in Europe.
Likely it points to Russian intelligence, but it seems amateur hour, they and Ukrainian intellegence use civilians for low level sabotage in each others territory.

[scutty brown]

Two tier doesn't need any help from the GRU, he is as popular as a dose of gonorrhea, more comfortable going abroad and promising our money to the most corrupt country in Europe.
Likely it points to Russian intelligence, but it seems amateur hour, they and Ukrainian intellegence use civilians for low level sabotage in each others territory.

High risk operation with operatives who are likely to get caught, have no idea who's organised it, and can't prove a link back to the Russian if/when caught. An intelligence agency would never risk its own agents on amateur crap like this - they just hire in expendable unknowing shills.
And whatever you may think of our PM, the fact is that what are really trivial stories are being blown out of all proportion by Russian plants in our press.
As for "the most corrupt country in Europe" - I wasn't aware of any plans to pay Russia anything

[Jerboa]

High risk operation with operatives who are likely to get caught, have no idea who's organised it, and can't prove a link back to the Russian if/when caught. An intelligence agency would never risk its own agents on amateur crap like this - they just hire in expendable unknowing shills.
And whatever you may think of our PM, the fact is that what are really trivial stories are being blown out of all proportion by Russian plants in our press.
As for "the most corrupt country in Europe" - I wasn't aware of any plans to pay Russia anything

Do I have to mention that Zelensky's business partner was investigated for corruption, and has fled to Israel, or that his chief of staff Yermak had to resign in disgrace recently?
Funny how before 2022 western media continually reported the truth, Ukraine could have been a rich Eastern European industrial power house similar to Germany after independence, but the oligarchs were never pushed out.
Nobody says Russia has no corruption problems, the point is our goverment is not handing over billions of tax payers funds to them.

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[mills_and_bhuna]

It's so funny, you think being pro zionist is a bad thing, Tommy wishes he was well remunerated by zionists, but that is not the case, calling him a shill is dumb.
Calling out Islam for the toxic political ideology that is not compatable with the west is not extreme sunshine, it's from first hand experience growing up in Luton. 

Yes I think Zionism is a bad thing.
The proof is in the pudding.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Why? Are you concerned about my well being? I'm fine no need to worry.

So I take it then you cannot explain the meaning of Mrman's  post?

Talking of fixations ... do you think perhaps you have an unhealthy attachment to the Politics thread?

Glad you're fine.
I'm fine too.
I think he's well capable himself.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Well that's obvious. Part of Russia's asymmetric warfare intended to destabilise the UK as a country and Starmer as a leader.
They will try to attack him in any and everyway possible. You don't think the current trend to portray him negatively in the press is accidental do you? Planted inflammatory stories intended to make him resign.

I think you're overstating Russia's interest in Starmer.
They know he's unpopular from all sides.
They also know that pretty much anyone on the horizon is just as controlled by the blob and therefore likely to be anti Russia, anti-China and subservient to the US .

[Vice Admiral]

Yesterday’s Times – aka the London edition of the Jerusalem Post – included the following headings or sub-headings to reports or articles:

“Anti-racist groups should show more support for Jews, says MP” (news report, p. 1)

“Polanski reignites row with Met chief over Golders Green” (news report, p. 10)

“Speak up in mosques for Jews, says top rabbi” (news report, p. 10)

“The left marched for George Floyd. Do Jewish lives not matter?” (comment piece, Daniel Finkelstein, p. 10)

“Time to stand with the Jews, come what may” (lead comment piece, Trevor Phillips, p. 23)

“The silence on how to deal with antisemitism is deafening / Since the Golders Green terror attack, much of the response by politicians has been delivered in platitudes. / The lack of urgency must end” (lead editorial, p. 27)

And today:

“Dangerous Palestinianism has gripped politics / Zack Polanski’s anti-Israel views are widespread and they’re a Trojan horse for antisemitism” (comment piece, Melanie Phillips p. 20)

“Lone Wolves / The Golders Green attack raises doubts about the counterextremism programme” (second editorial, p. 21)
___________

Meanwhile, I asked Google four questions:

(a) How many people have been killed in Gaza since 7 October 2023?
Answer – 72,562 (figures correct to 22 April 2026)

(b)  How many people have been killed by Israel in Lebanon since 2 March this year?
Answer- 2,696

(c)  How many Palestinians have been killed on the West Bank by Israeli settlers in the last five years?
Answer – 1,001 (figures correct to 17 October 2025)

(d)  How many Jewish people have been killed in antisemitic attacks in the UK in the last five years?
Answer – 2

[mills_and_bhuna]

Yesterday’s Times – aka the London edition of the Jerusalem Post – included the following headings or sub-headings to reports or articles:

“Anti-racist groups should show more support for Jews, says MP” (news report, p. 1)

“Polanski reignites row with Met chief over Golders Green” (news report, p. 10)

“Speak up in mosques for Jews, says top rabbi” (news report, p. 10)

“The left marched for George Floyd. Do Jewish lives not matter?” (comment piece, Daniel Finkelstein, p. 10)

“Time to stand with the Jews, come what may” (lead comment piece, Trevor Phillips, p. 23)

“The silence on how to deal with antisemitism is deafening / Since the Golders Green terror attack, much of the response by politicians has been delivered in platitudes. / The lack of urgency must end” (lead editorial, p. 27)

And today:

“Dangerous Palestinianism has gripped politics / Zack Polanski’s anti-Israel views are widespread and they’re a Trojan horse for antisemitism” (comment piece, Melanie Phillips p. 20)

“Lone Wolves / The Golders Green attack raises doubts about the counterextremism programme” (second editorial, p. 21)
___________

Meanwhile, I asked Google four questions:

(a) How many people have been killed in Gaza since 7 October 2023?
Answer – 72,562 (figures correct to 22 April 2026)

(b)  How many people have been killed by Israel in Lebanon since 2 March this year?
Answer- 2,696

(c)  How many Palestinians have been killed on the West Bank by Israeli settlers in the last five years?
Answer – 1,001 (figures correct to 17 October 2025)

(d)  How many Jewish people have been killed in antisemitic attacks in the UK in the last five years?
Answer – 2

So you've noticed ?
They're pushing censorship and it's not even subtle.
They're also pushing anti Iranian propaganda.
And the BBC is just as guilty as the usual right-wing reactionary rags.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Do I have to mention that Zelensky's business partner was investigated for corruption, and has fled to Israel, or that his chief of staff Yermak had to resign in disgrace recently?
Funny how before 2022 western media continually reported the truth, Ukraine could have been a rich Eastern European industrial power house similar to Germany after independence, but the oligarchs were never pushed out.
Nobody says Russia has no corruption problems, the point is our goverment is not handing over billions of tax payers funds to them.

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Funny how you notice this stuff but not the Netanyahu corruption or the Trump corruption........

[Jerboa]

Funny how you notice this stuff but not the Netanyahu corruption or the Trump corruption........

I'm not denying their corruption, but the UK isn't sending them billions.

[Jerboa]

Having sought the advice of Labour councillors on where he would be best placed to help their local election efforts Keir Starmer arrives in Armenia. 

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[finn5555]

"According to his former employee" a employee who fell out with Tommy, and who is actually infatuated with him to bunny boiler levels. So let me elaborate, Lowkey is a bullshitting lowlife.
To say Stephen is a intellecual wasteland, is laugable, the bloke is very sharp, he went on Newsnight with the BBC thinking he would fall appart, and he schooled Paxman.

Jesus  Can tell you are back      with the same old Tommy bullshit   

[Jerboa]

Jesus  Can tell you are back      with the same old Tommy bullshit 

Build a bridge and get over it. 

[Massagemanmr]

Yesterday’s Times – aka the London edition of the Jerusalem Post – included the following headings or sub-headings to reports or articles:

“Anti-racist groups should show more support for Jews, says MP” (news report, p. 1)

“Polanski reignites row with Met chief over Golders Green” (news report, p. 10)

“Speak up in mosques for Jews, says top rabbi” (news report, p. 10)

“The left marched for George Floyd. Do Jewish lives not matter?” (comment piece, Daniel Finkelstein, p. 10)

“Time to stand with the Jews, come what may” (lead comment piece, Trevor Phillips, p. 23)

“The silence on how to deal with antisemitism is deafening / Since the Golders Green terror attack, much of the response by politicians has been delivered in platitudes. / The lack of urgency must end” (lead editorial, p. 27)

And today:

“Dangerous Palestinianism has gripped politics / Zack Polanski’s anti-Israel views are widespread and they’re a Trojan horse for antisemitism” (comment piece, Melanie Phillips p. 20)

“Lone Wolves / The Golders Green attack raises doubts about the counterextremism programme” (second editorial, p. 21)
___________

Meanwhile, I asked Google four questions:

(a) How many people have been killed in Gaza since 7 October 2023?
Answer – 72,562 (figures correct to 22 April 2026)

(b)  How many people have been killed by Israel in Lebanon since 2 March this year?
Answer- 2,696

(c)  How many Palestinians have been killed on the West Bank by Israeli settlers in the last five years?
Answer – 1,001 (figures correct to 17 October 2025)

(d)  How many Jewish people have been killed in antisemitic attacks in the UK in the last five years?
Answer – 2

wait until you include indirect deaths to that number and lebanon and West Bank

in 2025 israel bombed 7 countries you don't hear this in western news apparently this is all self defense 
Gaza/Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Qatar (which is supposed to have a US security guarantee from external attack, now US security guarantees are seen as worthless by allies)

Below video is 1 min 42 and exposes how bad it actually is

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[bigden40]

Yes I think Zionism is a bad thing.
The proof is in the pudding.

How are you defining Zionism?

[RedKettle]

Yesterday’s Times – aka the London edition of the Jerusalem Post – included the following headings or sub-headings to reports or articles:

“Anti-racist groups should show more support for Jews, says MP” (news report, p. 1)

“Polanski reignites row with Met chief over Golders Green” (news report, p. 10)

“Speak up in mosques for Jews, says top rabbi” (news report, p. 10)

“The left marched for George Floyd. Do Jewish lives not matter?” (comment piece, Daniel Finkelstein, p. 10)

“Time to stand with the Jews, come what may” (lead comment piece, Trevor Phillips, p. 23)

“The silence on how to deal with antisemitism is deafening / Since the Golders Green terror attack, much of the response by politicians has been delivered in platitudes. / The lack of urgency must end” (lead editorial, p. 27)

And today:

“Dangerous Palestinianism has gripped politics / Zack Polanski’s anti-Israel views are widespread and they’re a Trojan horse for antisemitism” (comment piece, Melanie Phillips p. 20)

“Lone Wolves / The Golders Green attack raises doubts about the counterextremism programme” (second editorial, p. 21)
___________

Meanwhile, I asked Google four questions:

(a) How many people have been killed in Gaza since 7 October 2023?
Answer – 72,562 (figures correct to 22 April 2026)

(b)  How many people have been killed by Israel in Lebanon since 2 March this year?
Answer- 2,696

(c)  How many Palestinians have been killed on the West Bank by Israeli settlers in the last five years?
Answer – 1,001 (figures correct to 17 October 2025)

(d)  How many Jewish people have been killed in antisemitic attacks in the UK in the last five years?
Answer – 2

To try and be fair you are comparing two different stories. The Times at the moment is focusing on the danger to a community in the U.K. whilst the statistics you quote concern the actions of another country.

The actions of the Israeli government are not the fault of British Jews.

It is the nature of the news cycle, unfortunately, that it moves on and at the moment what is happening to people in uk is being covered more than Gaza. Previously the Times was blanket covering Gaza.

Personally I think it reflects badly on us that any community in the Uk lives in fear because of their religion, skin colour etc.

There are plenty of international stories with thousands of deaths that get little coverage in the uk, eg the war in Sudan.

[Vice Admiral]

To try and be fair you are comparing two different stories. The Times at the moment is focusing on the danger to a community in the U.K. whilst the statistics you quote concern the actions of another country.

The actions of the Israeli government are not the fault of British Jews.

It is the nature of the news cycle, unfortunately, that it moves on and at the moment what is happening to people in uk is being covered more than Gaza. Previously the Times was blanket covering Gaza.

Personally I think it reflects badly on us that any community in the Uk lives in fear because of their religion, skin colour etc.

There are plenty of international stories with thousands of deaths that get little coverage in the uk, eg the war in Sudan.

Your points are fair ones – and, although you are too polite to say so directly, assembling the kind of statistics I did is an easy game to play.  Much wickedness in the world gets little attention, and even the "responsible" media are selective about what they print or broadcast.

Nonetheless there is something about the Times' partisanship on Israel that makes me very uncomfortable, and any "appalled" coverage of Gaza in the Times has always fallen well short of that on, for example, C4 News and Sky News

I remember a couple of years ago six members of the Israel Defense Forces were killed in some action, and it was the Times' front-page story – this at a time when tens of thousands of people (most of them civilians) had already been slaughtered in Gaza, with their deaths receiving relatively little coverage.

It is difficult to avoid the view that Israel has a special status when it comes to getting away with atrocities.  Can you imagine what would have been said at "the bar of world opinion" if the United Kingdom had committed in Northern Ireland even one-hundredth of the crimes that Israel gets away with in Gaza?

[Thephoenix]

To try and be fair you are comparing two different stories. The Times at the moment is focusing on the danger to a community in the U.K. whilst the statistics you quote concern the actions of another country.

The actions of the Israeli government are not the fault of British Jews.

It is the nature of the news cycle, unfortunately, that it moves on and at the moment what is happening to people in uk is being covered more than Gaza. Previously the Times was blanket covering Gaza.

Personally I think it reflects badly on us that any community in the Uk lives in fear because of their religion, skin colour etc.

There are plenty of international stories with thousands of deaths that get little coverage in the uk, eg the war in Sudan.

 

[RedKettle]

Your points are fair ones – and, although you are too polite to say so directly, assembling the kind of statistics I did is an easy game to play.  Much wickedness in the world gets little attention, and even the "responsible" media are selective about what they print or broadcast.

Nonetheless there is something about the Times' partisanship on Israel that makes me very uncomfortable, and any "appalled" coverage of Gaza in the Times has always fallen well short of that on, for example, C4 News and Sky News

I remember a couple of years ago six members of the Israel Defense Forces were killed in some action, and it was the Times' front-page story – this at a time when tens of thousands of people (most of them civilians) had already been slaughtered in Gaza, with their deaths receiving relatively little coverage.

It is difficult to avoid the view that Israel has a special status when it comes to getting away with atrocities.  Can you imagine what would have been said at "the bar of world opinion" if the United Kingdom had committed in Northern Ireland even one-hundredth of the crimes that Israel gets away with in Gaza?

I don’t disagree with the board point you are making. I would recommend a recent book called Selling the Genocide which is uncomfortable reading if you are a general supporter of liberal mainstream media, as I am. It is very data driven and a careful analysis rather than the lunatic ravings some on here link to. That actually makes it more powerful.


If you support mainstream media it is important to call out errors and bias so they can improve.

[mills_and_bhuna]

How are you defining Zionism?

by It's reality.
It wasn't a problem when it was a small proportion of the population and largely assimilated and respectful of the other groups it shared that region with.
It became a problem when Jabotinsky, Weizmann and the people who came after saw an opportunity and used the vast financial resources at their disposal to seize land and dispossess the non-Jewish population.
If you add in the geopolitical reality of it's location it ends up being advantageous for the US corporations to push it.
What started off as Zionism just became Jewish supremacism.
And if you don't believe me, just listen to the insane ramblings of Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee.
I don't even have to invoke Ben Gvir and Smotrich.

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'm not denying their corruption, but the UK isn't sending them billions.

We sort of are.
All the wars these cunts start is definitely affecting our economy.