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Offline RedKettle

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I don't disagree with it at all.
While we're on about the indiscriminate targetting of civilians .
Would you agree that the IDF are a terrorist group?
Or the USAF ?
I don't recall the Azov battalion being proscribed either.
But Palestine Action are apparently.
And journalists like Richard Medhurst and Kit Klarenberg are detained at our airports and their electronic devices seized under the Terrorist legislation.
Even George Galloway FFS !
And I'd love to say who's interests are behind this hypocrisy but certain members would say I'm obsessed.

That is classic - you cannot simply answer the question you have to move onto your pet causes.  It was like when I was simply trying to get you to acknowledge that the civilian deaths caused by Putin's invasion of Ukraine were terrible/unfortunate/sad - any word you wanted would have been OK.  But no you cannot do it, you had to divert onto American plots, proxy war, etc etc.  You are simply not able to express a normal human opinion about tragedy.  Indeed yesterday you took the mickey out people doing that.

I can say the deaths in Gaza are terrible, I can cry for the children killed and maimed.  I can do that without reference to any geo political view that I hold.  You cannot do similar if the deaths are caused by your side.  That is not normal and it (in my opinion) makes anything you post of no value.  Which is a shame, but you would not listen to advice.

Offline Thephoenix

I don't disagree with it at all.


Wow that's something!

After all this time we've actually got you to say that Hamas are a terrorist organisation.

Have we?

Yes or no is fine  :thumbsup:

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Wow that's something!

After all this time we've actually got you to say that Hamas are a terrorist organisation.

Have we?

Yes or no is fine  :thumbsup:
Feel free to answer my questions.



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That is classic - you cannot simply answer the question you have to move onto your pet causes.  It was like when I was simply trying to get you to acknowledge that the civilian deaths caused by Putin's invasion of Ukraine were terrible/unfortunate/sad - any word you wanted would have been OK.  But no you cannot do it, you had to divert onto American plots, proxy war, etc etc.  You are simply not able to express a normal human opinion about tragedy.  Indeed yesterday you took the mickey out people doing that.

I can say the deaths in Gaza are terrible, I can cry for the children killed and maimed.  I can do that without reference to any geo political view that I hold.  You cannot do similar if the deaths are caused by your side.  That is not normal and it (in my opinion) makes anything you post of no value.  Which is a shame, but you would not listen to advice.
No such thing as a simple yes or no question in geopolitics and I instantly distrust anyone who tries to reduce it to that .
I've said before on this thread before that I think Ukrainian deaths are sad and you're blatantly lying if you say otherwise.
I said that the US was using Ukraine as a proxy in order to draw Russia into a long drawn out conflict .
I presume you haven't watched any of the YouTube video I linked.
No surprise there.
Got to protect your worldview at all costs.

Offline Jerboa

No, allegedly flew all the way. However truth may be different

I hear reports the drones could have flown out of Kazakhstan, as Ukraine is flying drones out of the Baltic states.

Offline Jerboa

I think it's important to remember that he was there representing the UK government, not just his own views, and therefore the bulk of the content of the speeches he makes this week will have been drafted by the Foreign Office, doubtless together with input from Starmer.  I think he handled it very well.

Charlie was speaking for the UK government, it might as well have been Two Tier giving the speech.
Note how Ukraine was brought up, the Europeans including London are desperate for Trump not to walk away.

Offline Jerboa

I don't disagree with it at all.
While we're on about the indiscriminate targetting of civilians .
Would you agree that the IDF are a terrorist group?
Or the USAF ?
I don't recall the Azov battalion being proscribed either.
But Palestine Action are apparently.
And journalists like Richard Medhurst and Kit Klarenberg are detained at our airports and their electronic devices seized under the Terrorist legislation.
Even George Galloway FFS !
And I'd love to say who's interests are behind this hypocrisy but certain members would say I'm obsessed.

From 2016 to 2024 Azov was banned by the US congress, from receiving military aid because they found it was a far right Nazi military unit. But apparently after 2024 Azov became rainbow waving inclusive loving angels, that couldn’t do no wrong. External Link/Members Only

You missed out one journalist who was detained under schedule 7 counter terrorism act, that was Tommy Robinson, who went to court, where the judge ruled the police acted unlawfully, and said the actions were politically motivated.

Offline Thephoenix

Feel free to answer my questions.

Sorry...I prefer you to answer.

Do you agree with Jeremy Corbyn, that Hamas is a terrorist organisation?

Yes or no?

Offline Massagemanmr

Sorry...I prefer you to answer.

Do you agree with Jeremy Corbyn, that Hamas is a terrorist organisation?

Yes or no?
do you agree with entire planet that Israel army is terrorist organisation yes or no

Also don't forget you must never ask why hamas and Hezbollah exist , never ever at any point

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No such thing as a simple yes or no question in geopolitics and I instantly distrust anyone who tries to reduce it to that .

My simple questions had nothing to do with geopolitics it was about you as a person. Why would you not carry out criminal damage?

I also asked this more recently having accused you of trolling.

  :D Predictable as ever.

Trolls always deny living under a bridge and claim they are the victims, despite clear evidence to the contrary.

How then would you describe your role/persona on UKP?

Now that could either be a simple question or a very complex one. Either way it may also be a difficult for you to answer. Nothing to do with geopolitics though. So what is your raison d'etre for being on UKP? Is your online persona the real you?


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I've said before on this thread before that I think Ukrainian deaths are sad and you're blatantly lying if you say otherwise.


I have no recollection of you ever saying that and I cannot find it in a search. Perhaps it is just my bias? Please could you link to it?

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I have no recollection of you ever saying that and I cannot find it in a search. Perhaps it is just my bias? Please could you link to it?

I had a long exchange back at the start of the war and he would not do it.

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Also don't forget you must never ask why hamas and Hezbollah exist , never ever at any point

Very odd that you say that - is it pretty common to talk about it.  Perhaps you should change your news sources if you are not hearing the full debate, might explain your strange views.

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Sorry...I prefer you to answer.

Do you agree with Jeremy Corbyn, that Hamas is a terrorist organisation?

Yes or no?
I already answered .
Yes it's a terrorist organisation by the definition the Empire uses. Or at least its military wings.
Do you agree that by the same definition the US military and the IDF are terrorist organisations ?

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From 2016 to 2024 Azov was banned by the US congress, from receiving military aid because they found it was a far right Nazi military unit. But apparently after 2024 Azov became rainbow waving inclusive loving angels, that couldn’t do no wrong. External Link/Members Only

You missed out one journalist who was detained under schedule 7 counter terrorism act, that was Tommy Robinson, who went to court, where the judge ruled the police acted unlawfully, and said the actions were politically motivated.
What Congress says and what the CIA does are two entirely different things.
And I meant to say independent journalists .
I don't regard TR as independent as he is funded by Israel .

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Charlie was speaking for the UK government, it might as well have been Two Tier giving the speech.
Note how Ukraine was brought up, the Europeans including London are desperate for Trump not to walk away.
Trump won't walk away.
The US strategy is to lump the costs for the proxy war which they themselves provoked onto Europe while pivotting to the Middle East  and China.
Despite Europe having sustained most of the economic damage resulting from it.
And that includes having had to replace cheap, reliable Russian gas with expensive LNG from the US.
Which was part of the plan.
But you keep believing Trump is having a spat with his puppets. It's all kabuki theatre for the masses and the chattering classes.

Offline Squire Haggard

This old goat should migrate to Iran, where the leaders would welcome him. :rolleyes:

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I have no recollection of you ever saying that and I cannot find it in a search. Perhaps it is just my bias? Please could you link to it?
You keep wasting your time arguing in circles about insignificant drivel whether I am trolling or not.
I couldn't care less whether you think I am or not.
Put me on ignore if it makes you feel any better.

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This old goat should migrate to Iran, where the leaders would welcome him. :rolleyes:

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The idiot filming it should move to Israel.

Offline Squire Haggard

The idiot filming it should move to Israel.
Maybe you should move to Iran. You would  be most welcome there.
Before you reply that I should move to Israel, I have no connection with it or the Middle East.
You are obsessed with Israel, and your hatred of it rules your life every day.

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Offline Massagemanmr

The idiot filming it should move to Israel.
the desperation of the person filming it , just pure comedy gold 🪙🤣😂🤣

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Very bad news this morning for Keir Starmer.

Vice Admiral has been thinking things through, and has decided he can no longer support the Prime Minister.  I fear this may prove to be the final nail in his coffin, since the UKP political thread is very influential in political circles – but I cannot be silent about my decision.

The plain fact is that my mantra that Starmer is “the least worst Prime Minister currently potentially available to us” is no longer sustainable.  His sacking of Olly Robbins was hasty, crass and petulant.  And the strange business of his trying to dump Matthew Doyle, a superannuated aide, onto one of Britain’s embassies abroad – and without mentioning it to the then foreign secretary, David Lammy – also smells bad.

Until last week, I took the view (as many did) that Starmer would survive disastrous election results at the start of next month, but now I am far from sure. He looks terminally shop-soiled.

Unfortunately there is no guarantee that, if there is a challenge, the outcome will be happy.  There are reports that Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting have been discussing a pact, but Rayner / Streeting would hardly be a dream ticket.  Mediocrities.

But Starmer has lost the fans and the dressing-room and now – most importantly – me.
 
Without Robbinsgate, he might have survived.  But this has come at just the wrong time for him.  Even if there is no challenge in May, it would take a miracle for him to survive the year.

Those of us who are “influencers” – and I now have at least two followers – obviously have to act responsibly when it comes to giving advice and making suggestions.

In this spirit I’ve reconsidered what I wrote on 23 April (see above) and changed my mind.  What I wrote then was premature, and looking at it now reminds me of the importance of not responding too precipitately to events.

Yes, of course, Keir Starmer is totally unsuited to being PM – weak, indecisive, incapable of taking tough (or any) decisions, and short on charisma.

But ...

... just consider the alternatives! 

To say nothing of the fact that the last thing this struggling government needs is prolonged squabbling about what direction it will take.  And a drift to the left – which would happen under any of the plausible candidates (apart from the dreary Streeting) – is the last thing this all-but-bankrupt nation needs.

Meanwhile, I would suggest that it's fine, on 7 May, to vote Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat or Plaid Cymru – even, if you must, SNP – but not to vote for “the unspeakable Faragistas” or “the ludicrous Greens” (to use terms from an opinion piece by A. N. Wilson in yesterday’s Times).

Populist parties have superficial appeal, but it is vital for the sake of the political health of the nation that the old (fairly) grown-up parties survive and prosper.

Offline Thephoenix

I already answered .
Yes it's a terrorist organisation by the definition the Empire uses. Or at least its military wings.


It was a definition that Jeremy used, and Mick Lynch agreed.

I guess they  must be part of the Empire then.  :unknown:

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You keep wasting your time arguing in circles about insignificant drivel whether I am trolling or not.
I couldn't care less whether you think I am or not.
Put me on ignore if it makes you feel any better.


It's my time and I can choose what I do with it. I don't see it as waste . You are the one trying to turn it in circles to avoid answering.

I don't think members trolling on a forum is insignificant drivel. You clearly don't care.

Why should I put you on ignore? I don't need to do that to ignore you. Would it perhaps make you happier if I ignored you?

Yet again your reply diverts totally from my simple question. You said this


I've said before on this thread before that I think Ukrainian deaths are sad and you're blatantly lying if you say otherwise.


I asked for the evidence.

I have no recollection of you ever saying that and I cannot find it in a search. Perhaps it is just my bias? Please could you link to it?

Now you have the opportunity to show me the evidence and declare me a blatant liar.

Oh and unlike political topics we both share the same evidence source ie the forum.

« Last Edit: May 03, 2026, 01:56:40 pm by Doc Holliday »

Offline Jerboa

What Congress says and what the CIA does are two entirely different things.
And I meant to say independent journalists .
I don't regard TR as independent as he is funded by Israel .

He is not funded by Israel, that's nonsense.

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He is not funded by Israel, that's nonsense.

He at least gets a lot of support from Far Right Israeli organisations.

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He is not funded by Israel, that's nonsense.
He's definitely funded by Zionists pushing an anti-Islam agenda.
Which is why he posts a load of shite

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It's my time and I can choose what I do with it. I don't see it as waste . You are the one trying to turn it in circles to avoid answering.

I don't think members trolling on a forum is insignificant drivel. You clearly don't care.

Why should I put you on ignore? I don't need to do that to ignore you. Would it perhaps make you happier if I ignored you?

Yet again your reply diverts totally from my simple question. You said this

I asked for the evidence.

Now you have the opportunity to show me the evidence and declare me a blatant liar.

Oh and unlike political topics we both share the same evidence source ie the forum.
You do what you want.
As I said.
Insignificant drivel.

Online mills_and_bhuna

It was a definition that Jeremy used, and Mick Lynch agreed.

I guess they  must be part of the Empire then.  :unknown:
So they folded.
I guess they didn't want the grief that the mainstream media would throw at them like the fake antisemitism scam.
It's a tactic the establishment uses but increasing number of people can see through.

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So they folded.
I guess they didn't want the grief that the mainstream media would throw at them like the fake antisemitism scam.
It's a tactic the establishment uses but increasing number of people can see through.

Anything that challenges your world view is fake news, a false flag etc etc.  anything that supports it is gospel.   No wonder you have lost any ability to think let alone critically assess information. Although must be a nice and easy world to live in.

Offline Massagemanmr

He is not funded by Israel, that's nonsense.
Tommy Robinson is openly funded by Israel . If you use the below link you can also see how many British MPs are on Israel payroll

Israel manipulation of British media once you see it you can't unsee it
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Offline Squire Haggard

the desperation of the person filming it , just pure comedy gold 🪙🤣😂🤣
Not desperate at all.

Since her video went viral the Greens have stopped the old goat campaigning for them.

He is no longer a candidate.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2026, 08:08:07 pm by Squire Haggard »


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As I said.
Insignificant drivel.

 ..... is yet again a reply and not an answer.  :rolleyes: I generally don't post drivel.

Anyway we seem to have established you cannot provide evidence to back up your claim that you you posted you were saddened by Ukrainian deaths. Mistake or lie?

Of course you probably won't answer that either?





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Not desperate at all.

Since her video went viral the Greens have stopped the old goat campaigning for them.
Her arguments were bullshit.
She was conflating Israel and Jews.
Which apparently is antisemitic.
He is merely implying that a state based on Jewish supremacy(which Israel is) shouldn't exist.
He's no Zohran Mamdani but when you're confronted by a deranged Zionist banshee inventing Jew hatred everywhere , it's difficult to gather your thoughts.
Of course you probably thought her impression of Julia Hartley Brewer was rational discourse :sarcastic:

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Although must be a nice and easy world to live in.

Actually I suspect he faces significant challenges in his life and finds the world a difficult place to live in

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..... is yet again a reply and not an answer.  :rolleyes: I generally don't post drivel.

Anyway we seem to have established you cannot provide evidence to back up your claim that you you posted you were saddened by Ukrainian deaths. Mistake or lie?

Of course you probably won't answer that either?
Give it a rest FFS.

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Offline Massagemanmr

Not desperate at all.

Since her video went viral the Greens have stopped the old goat campaigning for them.

He is no longer a candidate.
Are you conflating Jews and Israel ?

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I watched that video, and had a good laugh, how many times did the narrator say far right? Oh he went on a invited trip to Israel! Yes he says he's a zionist, but he has also said Britain comes first, who wouldn't support Israel to the detriment of his own nation. The Jewish board of deputies are woke leftards. Oh he wore a Mossad and IDF t-shirts! Oh bright lads, he's banged to rights.  :D Lowkey is a moron, if you want to talk about being paid by foreign countries, I'd suggest you look for bank tranfers from Qatar. Unite the Kingdom far right rally? There were women, kids and pensioners there, and it was more than 150,000 times it by 10. "Violating UK counter terror laws" oh was that the court case at Westminster where the judge agreed that the police stop under schedule 7 was politically motivated?  :rolleyes: But what do you expect TRT News aka the Turkish Muslim Broterhood branch.  :D

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I watched that video, and had a good laugh, how many times did the narrator say far right? Oh he went on a invited trip to Israel! Yes he says he's a zionist, but he has also said Britain comes first, who wouldn't support Israel to the detriment of his own nation. The Jewish board of deputies are woke leftards. Oh he wore a Mossad and IDF t-shirts! Oh bright lads, he's banged to rights.  :D Lowkey is a moron, if you want to talk about being paid by foreign countries, I'd suggest you look for bank tranfers from Qatar. Unite the Kingdom far right rally? There were women, kids and pensioners there, and it was more than 150,000 times it by 10. "Violating UK counter terror laws" oh was that the court case at Westminster where the judge agreed that the police stop under schedule 7 was politically motivated?  :rolleyes: But what do you expect TRT News aka the Turkish Muslim Broterhood branch.  :D

Says Unite the Kingdom was 10 x 150,000, says all you need to know before reading the rest.  1.5m would have taken a shed load more space than the real numbers, must go to the Trump inauguration school of maths  :lol:
Who knew, women and pensioners can be racist too and even they arent stupid enough to leave their kids at home, would rather radicalise them. 

Offline Massagemanmr

Where? When?
you agree with video.

this is the problem when you lie and deceive you have to remember the lies and deceit you lay and eventually they will catch up with you....

Offline Massagemanmr

I watched that video, and had a good laugh, how many times did the narrator say far right? Oh he went on a invited trip to Israel! Yes he says he's a zionist, but he has also said Britain comes first, who wouldn't support Israel to the detriment of his own nation. The Jewish board of deputies are woke leftards. Oh he wore a Mossad and IDF t-shirts! Oh bright lads, he's banged to rights.  :D Lowkey is a moron, if you want to talk about being paid by foreign countries, I'd suggest you look for bank tranfers from Qatar. Unite the Kingdom far right rally? There were women, kids and pensioners there, and it was more than 150,000 times it by 10. "Violating UK counter terror laws" oh was that the court case at Westminster where the judge agreed that the police stop under schedule 7 was politically motivated?  :rolleyes: But what do you expect TRT News aka the Turkish Muslim Broterhood branch.  :D
just remember you must never engage with the facts always make lame excuses when facts start coming out

1. hamas / russian/ chinese / iran lies
2. not that bad / accidents happen
3. look at the other genocides

rinse and repeat  :lol: :lol:

Offline Jerboa

Says Unite the Kingdom was 10 x 150,000, says all you need to know before reading the rest.  1.5m would have taken a shed load more space than the real numbers, must go to the Trump inauguration school of maths  :lol:
Who knew, women and pensioners can be racist too and even they arent stupid enough to leave their kids at home, would rather radicalise them.

Were you there? There were so many people that the police had to move some into parralel roads away from Whitehall and still marchers were at Waterloo. The helicopter clearly shows there was a lot more than the 150k.
I mentioned women and kids because it wasn't a violent protest out to cause trouble, it was about unity, everyone was welcome, if you love the country, there were all races and religions present, calling them racist has no power, it's so boring.  :lol:

Offline Squire Haggard

you agree with video.

this is the problem when you lie and deceive you have to remember the lies and deceit you lay and eventually they will catch up with you....

Link to where I lied and deceived.

What lies and deceit are you talking about?