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Offline sir wanksalot

Everyone's going on about the penalties but this is a lottery.

We shouldn't have played for penalties which to me at least, looked very much like that was Southgate's plan.

He lacked courage with his substitutions and seemed more intent on not losing than trying to win the game in sharp contrast to Mancini who replaced all his attacking players to add fresh impetus to the performance.

Southgate has got form with this. He dillied and dallied against Croatia in the World Cup as well.

Stil great to get to a final but there is no glory or satisfaction getting there if you don't win.

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Offline Londonpunter30

We looked far better when we were attacking, but even in the first fifteen minutes, we managed a single shot on target.

We only changed tactics for the final five mins of extra time and again looked much improved.  We needed to play like that more, the 3-5-3 didn’t work for me as the top three never had the ball and didn’t do much.

Can’t see us making a final for awhile now.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Figures just been on the news and just shy of 31 Million viewers in the UK watched the game last night.

It was shown on both the BBC and ITV, i'd always choose the BBC myself but some people prefer ITV however apparently 25 Million watched on the BBC and only 6 Million on ITV, i'm surprised at how few watched it on ITV though

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Figures just been on the news and just shy of 31 Million viewers in the UK watched the game last night.

It was shown on both the BBC and ITV, i'd always choose the BBC myself but some people prefer ITV however apparently 25 Million watched on the BBC and only 6 Million on ITV, i'm surprised at how few watched it on ITV though

I am not surprised at all, breaking the momentum up with fucking ad breaks is atrocious. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: BBC 100 times out of 100 for me, though I didn't mind the commentary or pundits on ITV1.

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Predictably most fans seem to be calling for Southgates head despite him doing a far better job than any England manager for the last 55 years.Having players that haven't kicked a ball in the game then take penalties is very odd though as I'm sure they don't warm up NFL style(why not?).
As for describing the 3 that missed as "kids" that is ridiculous they are adults.
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England matched Italy over the 120 minutes. Italy only started playing on 60 minutes and even after that there were patches where England looked the better side.

England's place in the final was down to Southgate. Their 1-1 draw at end of ET in the final was down to Southgate. Sadly the penalty debacle was also down to Southgate. It was a mistake bringing on players to take pens. The final penalty wasn't the worst I've seen, not powerful enough and well saved, but not over the bar, past the post or down the keeper's throat. The other two misses were the problem.

Better to have willing and experienced (in real games) penalty takers than the manager deciding, though the manager has to have a veto.

But I am proud of the England we saw in this tournament.

Offline radioman33

Italy best team from day 1,attractive football & team spirit.
England got lucky with early goals against Ukraine and in final,had luck against Denmark with penalty.
Kane played bad most of matches,Pickford did well.
Southgate seems to keep talking about the political correctness more than football.
The writing was on the wall watching England trying to defend a 1-0 lead.
Mancini good manager tactical awareness.
Now we have constant radio phone ins about racism and take the knee.


Offline george r

Predictably most fans seem to be calling for Southgates head despite him doing a far better job than any England manager for the last 55 years.Having players that haven't kicked a ball in the game then take penalties is very odd though as I'm sure they don't warm up NFL style(why not?).
As for describing the 3 that missed as "kids" that is ridiculous they are adults.

you cant blame the the manager and i agree they are not kids either, they are very well paid 200 grand a week plus , young men !!

Offline The0neAnd0nly

We looked far better when we were attacking, but even in the first fifteen minutes, we managed a single shot on target.

We only changed tactics for the final five mins of extra time and again looked much improved.  We needed to play like that more, the 3-5-3 didn’t work for me as the top three never had the ball and didn’t do much.

Can’t see us making a final for awhile now.

3-5-3 would have been fantastic and given us a real chance... having a extra player on the pitch lol

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The writing was on the wall watching England trying to defend a 1-0 lead.

That is true, scoring early was a double edged sword. We either needed to score late on or having scored early get another quickly before getting 'worried'.

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There are calls to ban England from 2022 world cup in Qatar because of the hooligans.
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I am not surprised at all, breaking the momentum up with fucking ad breaks is atrocious. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: BBC 100 times out of 100 for me, though I didn't mind the commentary or pundits on ITV1.

I used to always watch these things on BBC given a choice for just this reason, but I just can't stand Lineker (and I'm a Spurs supporter!). He's a smug git with a tedious line in puns and poor jokes that has got dramatically worse in recent years. Jenas and Logan should be replaced too. The pundits on ITV (at least the former footballers) are a little more honest, I think. As for the ad breaks, I take your point, but then on both channels I find being treated to the reaction of goals in Croydon and Trafalgar Square has the same effect on me.

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I used to always watch these things on BBC given a choice for just this reason, but I just can't stand Lineker (and I'm a Spurs supporter!). He's a smug git with a tedious line in puns and poor jokes that has got dramatically worse in recent years. Jenas and Logan should be replaced too. The pundits on ITV (at least the former footballers) are a little more honest, I think. As for the ad breaks, I take your point, but then on both channels I find being treated to the reaction of goals in Croydon and Trafalgar Square has the same effect on me.

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breaking the momentum up with fucking ad breaks is atrocious

And in the Denmark-England match ITV went to an ad break rather than show Harry Kane handing over an England shirt with Eriksen's name on the back which had been signed by the England team. Classy move, but ITV need their bills paid so you don't get to see it on TV.

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Offline fudi_maar

Italy best team from day 1,attractive football & team spirit.
England got lucky with early goals against Ukraine and in final,had luck against Denmark with penalty.
Kane played bad most of matches,Pickford did well.
Southgate seems to keep talking about the political correctness more than football.
The writing was on the wall watching England trying to defend a 1-0 lead.
Mancini good manager tactical awareness.
Now we have constant radio phone ins about racism and take the knee.

+1. This sums up the situation very nicely. England (as much as I love 'em) had a very/fortuitous easy path to the final. They knew internally that they were not good enough to compete against Italy and that's why they went into the negative defensive mode after scoring.
Apart from the early goal, there was little else that I remember from England performance yesterday.

Offline Chorley

+1. This sums up the situation very nicely. England (as much as I love 'em) had a very/fortuitous easy path to the final. They knew internally that they were not good enough to compete against Italy and that's why they went into the negative defensive mode after scoring.
Apart from the early goal, there was little else that I remember from England performance yesterday.
I don't think we'll ever win an interactional tournament in my lifetime. We're just not good enough technical and mentally. We need to stop deluding ourselves  they we're a  great footballing nation. and accept this. :unknown:

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There are calls to ban England from 2022 world cup in Qatar because of the hooligans.

Now if ther were a world  cup for that activity - then we'd be world class at it;!!!

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Now if ther were a world  cup for that activity - then we'd be world class at it;!!!
Or football chants. The Poles, Turkish and Italians all have a reputation for being nasty bastards when it comes to hooligans.

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From a Scot.
England did brilliantly well to get to the final and to then hold Italy to 1-1, but whilst penalties are a lottery ultimately the best team of the tournament won.
In my humble opinion Scotland were easily the worst team in the tournament, our lack of technical skills is an embarrassment.
Worse than Macedonia?


Offline finn5555

Seeing what’s in the press and on social media add to that the behaviour of so called fans virtually on my doorstep yesterday I would say a significant amount are retards!
They should be arrested and made to clean the streets of London for a year every weekend  :hi:

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Or football chants. The Poles, Turkish and Italians all have a reputation for being nasty bastards when it comes to hooligans.


Not a patch on our lot past or present,
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+1. This sums up the situation very nicely. England (as much as I love 'em) had a very/fortuitous easy path to the final. They knew internally that they were not good enough to compete against Italy and that's why they went into the negative defensive mode after scoring.
Apart from the early goal, there was little else that I remember from England performance yesterday.

I am actually quite a fan of Italy but they were outplayed by Spain and even Austria ( :scare:).  They deserved to beat England but they're not that good (other than Chiesa and the absent Spinazzola).

Offline Mr_Shins

Predictably most fans seem to be calling for Southgates head despite him doing a far better job than any England manager for the last 55 years.Having players that haven't kicked a ball in the game then take penalties is very odd though as I'm sure they don't warm up NFL style(why not?).
As for describing the 3 that missed as "kids" that is ridiculous they are adults.

I think Michael Owen took a penalty against Argentina in the shoot-out in 1998. We lost the shoot-out but he scored his penalty and was 18 at the time. I guess if the player scores, nobody says anything.

The rationale seemed to be that they practised them in training and those who were selected to take them were the ones who had the best performance in those practises. Had the penalties gone in, again, nobody would have cared. One of the Italian players hit theirs down the centre and the keeper could have saved that, but he didn't and saved 2 others that were closer to the corner.

There are now 4 knockout games to win a contest, so quite a high likelihood you will only be to draw one and will need penalties to get through. All the big teams lose penalty shoot-outs at times (although I can't remember the last time the Germans lost one in a major tournament - 1976?). Italy lost in Italia 90 world cup semi-final, the final of 94, the world cup in 98 (so that's 3 in a row) and Euro 2008. They also won in the World Cup final of 2006 so their last 2 major competitions they won was on penalties, and in Euro 2020 they had to win that way twice.

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I think Michael Owen took a penalty against Argentina in the shoot-out in 1998. We lost the shoot-out but he scored his penalty and was 18 at the time. I guess if the player scores, nobody says anything.

The rationale seemed to be that they practised them in training and those who were selected to take them were the ones who had the best performance in those practises. Had the penalties gone in, again, nobody would have cared. One of the Italian players hit theirs down the centre and the keeper could have saved that, but he didn't and saved 2 others that were closer to the corner.

There are now 4 knockout games to win a contest, so quite a high likelihood you will only be to draw one and will need penalties to get through. All the big teams lose penalty shoot-outs at times (although I can't remember the last time the Germans lost one in a major tournament - 1976?). Italy lost in Italia 90 world cup semi-final, the final of 94, the world cup in 98 (so that's 3 in a row) and Euro 2008. They also won in the World Cup final of 2006 so their last 2 major competitions they won was on penalties, and in Euro 2020 they had to win that way twice.

To be honest, even if we would have won on penalties my elation would hide my slight disappointment as the lack of positivity displayed by Southgate in the final.

He can be accused of the same cautious approach against Croatia in the World Cup in Moscow.

For a change, the players didn't let us down in a major tournament.......the manager did.

Will we be so lucky again to be given such an accommodating route to the final?

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I think Michael Owen took a penalty against Argentina in the shoot-out in 1998. We lost the shoot-out but he scored his penalty and was 18 at the time. I guess if the player scores, nobody says anything.

The rationale seemed to be that they practised them in training and those who were selected to take them were the ones who had the best performance in those practises. Had the penalties gone in, again, nobody would have cared. One of the Italian players hit theirs down the centre and the keeper could have saved that, but he didn't and saved 2 others that were closer to the corner.

There are now 4 knockout games to win a contest, so quite a high likelihood you will only be to draw one and will need penalties to get through. All the big teams lose penalty shoot-outs at times (although I can't remember the last time the Germans lost one in a major tournament - 1976?). Italy lost in Italia 90 world cup semi-final, the final of 94, the world cup in 98 (so that's 3 in a row) and Euro 2008. They also won in the World Cup final of 2006 so their last 2 major competitions they won was on penalties, and in Euro 2020 they had to win that way twice.

micheal owen dived in 2002 against argentina and got England a penalty which beckham scored..

i hate gamesmanship, fact is owen diving makes him a disgusting cheat..

the most disgusting cheat in football was jurgen klinsmaan, bastard used to dive, make a big meal of everything and get players sent off..
what goes round comes round, so glad to see he was unconscious from a tackle once, bastard lay there unconscious, justice in my opinion..pity really his  cheap theatrics as he was a great striker..
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micheal owen dived in 2002 against argentina and got England a penalty which beckham scored..

i hate gamesmanship, fact is owen diving makes him a disgusting cheat..

the most disgusting cheat in football was jurgen klinsmaan, bastard used to dive, make a big meal of everything and get players sent off..
what goes round comes round, so glad to see he was unconscious from a tackle once, bastard lay there unconscious, justice in my opinion..pity really his  cheap theatrics as he was a great striker..

Said penalty was against a long haired Mauricio Pochettinho former Spurs and current PSG manager

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Players do it all the time. They see where the opponent's leg is, or where their leg will be and deliberately run into it, then make out they were fouled.

About time VAR stamped it out, and that would happen if they had players as VAR referees who know the difference.

As one myself with a certain "fetish", I know how myself how to "draw in" the possibility of being trodden on or even kicked. I'm useless with the ball but would probably be quite good at "drawing" fouls, as they put it.

I've seen Harry Kane run between a defender chasing a ball not to play the ball himself but to stop so the player runs into him, and then claim he was "pushed". I also saw Arsenal get a penalty against Spurs where the forward completely missed the ball then ran into the player who had positioned himself to block the cross. A couple of weeks later Spurs themselves got a similar penalty against Aston Villa.

I also dislike penalty shoot-outs as a way to decide big tournaments. There are better ways.

(One such idea is "armageddon" style extra-time, maybe as a 3rd period of extra time. One team players with fewer players but the other team HAS to win, or the one that has fewer players wins.

You could play extra time as two such periods, each time playing with reduced players, and see what has happened at the end of it. At least there's more chance of there being goals. How about 11 vs 8?)



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Seeing what’s in the press and on social media add to that the behaviour of so called fans virtually on my doorstep yesterday I would say a significant amount are retards!
They should be arrested and made to clean the streets of London for a year every weekend  :hi:

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Offline Blackpool Rock

micheal owen dived in 2002 against argentina and got England a penalty which beckham scored..

i hate gamesmanship, fact is owen diving makes him a disgusting cheat..


the most disgusting cheat in football was jurgen klinsmaan, bastard used to dive, make a big meal of everything and get players sent off..
what goes round comes round, so glad to see he was unconscious from a tackle once, bastard lay there unconscious, justice in my opinion..pity really his  cheap theatrics as he was a great striker..
Yeah seem to remember thinking Owen dived in one of the big games and while I agree with you and don't really like seeing our players do it if they didn't then the opposition still would, doesn't make it right but hey  :unknown:
Owen diving against the Argies was actually payback for Simeone diving when Beckham kicked out at him so fair game  :thumbsup:

I believe the Sun newspaper did a feature called "Doing the Klinsmann" when he joined Spurs and went through step by step how to do it complete with pictures (Sun readers need that obviously  :rolleyes:)

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Players do it all the time. They see where the opponent's leg is, or where their leg will be and deliberately run into it, then make out they were fouled.

About time VAR stamped it out, and that would happen if they had players as VAR referees who know the difference.


As one myself with a certain "fetish", I know how myself how to "draw in" the possibility of being trodden on or even kicked. I'm useless with the ball but would probably be quite good at "drawing" fouls, as they put it.

I've seen Harry Kane run between a defender chasing a ball not to play the ball himself but to stop so the player runs into him, and then claim he was "pushed". I also saw Arsenal get a penalty against Spurs where the forward completely missed the ball then ran into the player who had positioned himself to block the cross. A couple of weeks later Spurs themselves got a similar penalty against Aston Villa.

Yes it's ruining the game (Yet another thing) with the refs constantly blowing for fouls at the slightest little knock or challenge  :dash: Must be that these days the officials are shit scared of being sued if they don't stop play and someone actually is hurt.

Amazing though how a player who looks to have been snipered gets up when they realise the foul hasn't actually been given, like the Italian cunt who jumped up to celebrate as soon as Italy scored in one of their games  :thumbsdown:

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Now if ther were a world  cup for that activity - then we'd be world class at it;!!!

Not quite. The Russians beat the sh1t out of everyone in France, including the English.
Surprised Putin kept them under control when World Cup was in Russia.

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Not quite. The Russians beat the sh1t out of everyone in France, including the English.
Surprised Putin kept them under control when World Cup was in Russia.

No surprise at all. Their police aren't kneeling pussies.

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Owen diving against the Argies was actually payback for Simeone diving when Beckham kicked out at him so fair game  :thumbsup:


Diving after being deliberately kicked, which is a stone wall red, isn't anything like diving after not being fouled for a penalty.

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No power in Beckham's kick at all, or even obvious it was deliberate, it looked like he was getting up.

As one who is kicked regularly, there is no way you'd be grounded by that. Not sure what VAR would make of it because would they look at the fact there was a kick at all and see it as violent conduct, no matter how soft it was?


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No power in Beckham's kick at all, or even obvious it was deliberate, it looked like he was getting up.

As one who is kicked regularly, there is no way you'd be grounded by that. Not sure what VAR would make of it because would they look at the fact there was a kick at all and see it as violent conduct, no matter how soft it was?

It doesn't matter.  Kicking out or retaliation is a red card. He was a petulant wee fanny and deserved to be sent off.

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Not quite. The Russians beat the sh1t out of everyone in France, including the English.
Surprised Putin kept them under control when World Cup was in Russia.

They were trained before attending France, seemingly flying into different countries and then driving down to France to give the England thugs a slap.
My opinion would be that was a preemptive kicking to show what they'd get if they cocked about in Russia.
More than likely a military beano sanctioned by Putin

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They were trained before attending France, seemingly flying into different countries and then driving down to France to give the England thugs a slap.
My opinion would be that was a preemptive kicking to show what they'd get if they cocked about in Russia.
More than likely a military beano sanctioned by Putin
Plenty of documentaries etc over the last few years showing Russian hooligans training to fight in military style camps and basically training to do MMA

Putin stopped them from attacking people when they hosted the WC as it would reflect badly on his country however he's happy for them to go on tour.

The Brits still have a bad reputation but as already posted the Italians and Turkish are probably the worst, Dutch always had plenty of Ultras.

Trouble does still happen in this country but nothing like it used to be in the 80's when it was out of control, it's largely been stamped out in the Prem teams and I believe if you want to fight at football these days you are better off following a lower league club which is outside of the media glare

Offline Londonpunter30

To be honest, even if we would have won on penalties my elation would hide my slight disappointment as the lack of positivity displayed by Southgate in the final.

He can be accused of the same cautious approach against Croatia in the World Cup in Moscow.

For a change, the players didn't let us down in a major tournament.......the manager did.

Will we be so lucky again to be given such an accommodating route to the final?

Completely agree.  In a 120 minute match we had a great 15 minute spell at the start of the match, where we managed a single shot on target, despite our dominance.  We then sat back and let them control the game, we made the crowd grow quiet, negating our home advantage.  We sat back until the final 5 mins of ET where again a bit of attacking play saw us look miles better again.  If we had been positive for longer it could have been so different

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Not quite. The Russians beat the sh1t out of everyone in France, including the English.
Surprised Putin kept them under control when World Cup was in Russia.


That’s because they were prepared. They looked up to the English hooliganism and sought them out.
They trained a year in advance in gyms and wherever doing sombo, boxing cardio, weights etc and different firms were meeting up in forests for ‘ friendly’ fights all in preparation for France.

Unfair as the English you’d were chain smoking, hard drinking so had no chance.

Watched a documentary on it somewhere.
 I’m sure you can find it on YT.

Also look up reggie yates on Russia far right.

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Not quite. The Russians beat the sh1t out of everyone in France, including the English.
Surprised Putin kept them under control when World Cup was in Russia.
Not true. It was ONLY the English that they gave a hiding to. They were in the same group as Wales and Slovakia, but didn't go looking for them.

That is part of the hooligan mentality. It is all about reputation and you get that by going toe-to-toe (and beating) fellow hooligans. Being seen as beating up 'shirters' (genuine football fans) or countries that aren't seen to have top notch hooligans would only lessen their reputation.

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That’s because they were prepared. They looked up to the English hooliganism and sought them out.
They trained a year in advance in gyms and wherever doing sombo, boxing cardio, weights etc and different firms were meeting up in forests for ‘ friendly’ fights all in preparation for France.

Unfair as the English you’d were chain smoking, hard drinking so had no chance.

Watched a documentary on it somewhere.
 I’m sure you can find it on YT.

Also look up reggie yates on Russia far right.

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Over 140,000 fans have now petitioned for the Eng v Ita game to be replayed, who are they kidding

This is what is wrong with football in England. The game is no longer the preserve of the working man - it's been hijacked as some sort of meme by a load of millennial pussies. I think I could stomach them infiltrating the stands and posh seats cos I'm not a dinosaur but the final straw for me was when the pussies started getting in the national squad. How can a national team ever flourish if it basically hates itself?

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This is what is wrong with football in England. The game is no longer the preserve of the working man - it's been hijacked as some sort of meme by a load of millennial pussies. I think I could stomach them infiltrating the stands and posh seats cos I'm not a dinosaur but the final straw for me was when the pussies started getting in the national squad. How can a national team ever flourish if it basically hates itself?

Must be the ghost of Jeremy beadle


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Over 140,000 fans have now petitioned for the Eng v Ita game to be replayed, who are they kidding
On what basis  :unknown:
I didn't see and i'm not aware of any major issues with the game was refereed etc so not sure what the grounds would be to get it replayed unless they now have evidence the officials were corrupt etc

We want it replayed because we weren't good enough and our guys are shit at taking penalties  :D

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Over 140,000 fans have now petitioned for the Eng v Ita game to be replayed, who are they kidding

Themselves
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